April 18, 20187 yr Major tenants were announced today. Interesting that FlipSide, Fusian and Kona were left off the list even though still on the discoverpinecrest.com website. Here is the link listing the tenants. I've heard Duck Donuts is great. Next Door Eatery could be interesting as well. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2018/04/retailers_announced_at_230_mil_1.html I have eaten at Next Door in Boulder. Really great place. Appears they are expanding from Colorado to Midwest. A good thing!
April 18, 20187 yr I looked into the Brassica Van Aken filing in more detail and it was filed by Organic Trails Cafes which is the owner of Northstar Cafe and Brassica, so that appears to be a safe bet.
April 18, 20187 yr I looked into the Brassica Van Aken filing in more detail and it was filed by Organic Trails Cafes which is the owner of Northstar Cafe and Brassica, so that appears to be a safe bet. Good news on Brassica! Also, a "Mercer Van Aken" recently filed. Hunch: the promised, new Jonathon Sawyer concept, but could easily be a boutique or ? dor all I know - but "Mercer* is historically tied to Shaker Heights I believe. Lots of leasing competition on east side right now, though. Container Store, Kendra Scott, Bonobos, Brassica all originally meant for Pinecrest, but ended up at La Place, Eton, Van Aken, among others. Pinecrest's reliance on a significant # of locally owned franchises and boutiques concerns me. It screams of desperation, not vision. Despite some big names like West Elm, Vineyard Vines and REI, the opening year tenants are far different than some big names previously in play in leasing talks. If they could have signed big-name, deeper pocketed national names, I surely think they would have. We don't need another First Watch franchised restaurant, etc... Or a Scout & Molly franchised boutique (another of which closed in Crocker Park in mere months, recently..). And the trendy (and cheap) Warby Parker eyewear shop on a past leasing plan - which would have been a big draw - becomes a local "Eye Candy" glasses shop instead.
April 18, 20187 yr ^ Interesting considering Big Fun at Coventry is closing. There is also a Big Fun in Columbus that isn't closing. I wonder if the original owner is just licensing the name. Moved out of real density to new fake density?
April 18, 20187 yr ^ Interesting considering Big Fun at Coventry is closing. There is also a Big Fun in Columbus that isn't closing. I wonder if the original owner is just licensing the name. Moved out of real density to new fake density? Some of these possible reasons won’t be popular here. -Location way more convenient to freeways. -Free parking. -Synergy with B. A. Sweetie. -Bigger aisles. -Condition of building.
April 18, 20187 yr -Location way more convenient to freeways. -Free parking. -Synergy with B. A. Sweetie. -Bigger aisles. -Condition of building. Multiple of those are likely a factor, but my guess is that number 3 is the biggest. I don't think his business model was as profitable as it used to be, so he's looking to switch it up. He seemed to be pretty happy in Coventry and was there 27 years, but I'm guessing B. A. Sweetie wanted/required a newer/bigger store and he needed to team up with someone to try a new concept.
April 19, 20187 yr -Location way more convenient to freeways. -Free parking. -Synergy with B. A. Sweetie. -Bigger aisles. -Condition of building. Multiple of those are likely a factor, but my guess is that number 3 is the biggest. I don't think his business model was as profitable as it used to be, so he's looking to switch it up. He seemed to be pretty happy in Coventry and was there 27 years, but I'm guessing B. A. Sweetie wanted/required a newer/bigger store and he needed to team up with someone to try a new concept. True about Coventry, but I was there with Ardyn a couple weeks ago and looking at the building, and it is starting to look a little ragged. Nothing unfixable, but perhaps not on the fly. He is competing with the internet for those rare finds.
April 20, 20187 yr I looked into the Brassica Van Aken filing in more detail and it was filed by Organic Trails Cafes which is the owner of Northstar Cafe and Brassica, so that appears to be a safe bet. Good news on Brassica! Also, a "Mercer Van Aken" recently filed. Hunch: the promised, new Jonathon Sawyer concept, but could easily be a boutique or ? dor all I know - but "Mercer* is historically tied to Shaker Heights I believe. Lots of leasing competition on east side right now, though. Container Store, Kendra Scott, Bonobos, Brassica all originally meant for Pinecrest, but ended up at La Place, Eton, Van Aken, among others. Pinecrest's reliance on a significant # of locally owned franchises and boutiques concerns me. It screams of desperation, not vision. Despite some big names like West Elm, Vineyard Vines and REI, the opening year tenants are far different than some big names previously in play in leasing talks. If they could have signed big-name, deeper pocketed national names, I surely think they would have. We don't need another First Watch franchised restaurant, etc... Or a Scout & Molly franchised boutique (another of which closed in Crocker Park in mere months, recently..). And the trendy (and cheap) Warby Parker eyewear shop on a past leasing plan - which would have been a big draw - becomes a local "Eye Candy" glasses shop instead. Warby Parker is hiring for their future location. Perhaps the store has been delayed and that’s why it wasn’t announced.
April 20, 20187 yr I looked into the Brassica Van Aken filing in more detail and it was filed by Organic Trails Cafes which is the owner of Northstar Cafe and Brassica, so that appears to be a safe bet. Good news on Brassica! Also, a "Mercer Van Aken" recently filed. Hunch: the promised, new Jonathon Sawyer concept, but could easily be a boutique or ? dor all I know - but "Mercer* is historically tied to Shaker Heights I believe. Lots of leasing competition on east side right now, though. Container Store, Kendra Scott, Bonobos, Brassica all originally meant for Pinecrest, but ended up at La Place, Eton, Van Aken, among others. Pinecrest's reliance on a significant # of locally owned franchises and boutiques concerns me. It screams of desperation, not vision. Despite some big names like West Elm, Vineyard Vines and REI, the opening year tenants are far different than some big names previously in play in leasing talks. If they could have signed big-name, deeper pocketed national names, I surely think they would have. We don't need another First Watch franchised restaurant, etc... Or a Scout & Molly franchised boutique (another of which closed in Crocker Park in mere months, recently..). And the trendy (and cheap) Warby Parker eyewear shop on a past leasing plan - which would have been a big draw - becomes a local "Eye Candy" glasses shop instead. What national retailers do you want? I don't follow your "desperation" comment ...is it locally owned businesses in general or just specific ones? Is it the Pinecrest location? ✌︎??✚?☭????
April 21, 20187 yr What is happening with Kona Grill I don’t see it on their signage anymore, Could end up Across the street with Cooper Hawk’s??? Or elsewhere on the east side??
April 21, 20187 yr What is happening with Kona Grill I don’t see it on their signage anymore, Could end up Across the street with Cooper Hawk’s??? Or elsewhere on the east side?? Kona apparently isn't happening at Pinecrest, despite plans approved by Orange in Summer 2017 - and their logo being on the signage along Harvard as late as this week. Yes, could end up across the street - or perhaps at La Place, in place of soon-to-be vacant Williams-Sonoma... etc...
April 21, 20187 yr I looked into the Brassica Van Aken filing in more detail and it was filed by Organic Trails Cafes which is the owner of Northstar Cafe and Brassica, so that appears to be a safe bet. Good news on Brassica! Also, a "Mercer Van Aken" recently filed. Hunch: the promised, new Jonathon Sawyer concept, but could easily be a boutique or ? dor all I know - but "Mercer* is historically tied to Shaker Heights I believe. Lots of leasing competition on east side right now, though. Container Store, Kendra Scott, Bonobos, Brassica all originally meant for Pinecrest, but ended up at La Place, Eton, Van Aken, among others. Pinecrest's reliance on a significant # of locally owned franchises and boutiques concerns me. It screams of desperation, not vision. Despite some big names like West Elm, Vineyard Vines and REI, the opening year tenants are far different than some big names previously in play in leasing talks. If they could have signed big-name, deeper pocketed national names, I surely think they would have. We don't need another First Watch franchised restaurant, etc... Or a Scout & Molly franchised boutique (another of which closed in Crocker Park in mere months, recently..). And the trendy (and cheap) Warby Parker eyewear shop on a past leasing plan - which would have been a big draw - becomes a local "Eye Candy" glasses shop instead. What national retailers do you want? I don't follow your "desperation" comment ...is it locally owned businesses in general or just specific ones? Is it the Pinecrest location? Fairmount can spin this any way they want - but simply knowing the retailers/restaurants they were originally interested in/talking to - especially those that actually had letters of intent/nearly leases (I'm looking at you nada and True Foods Kitchen) vs the ones who will be opening - makes it clear that the plan didn't quite pan out. The major anchors/names of this development, at opening, will be almost exactly the same names that were signed or nearly so 3 years ago - with little else major added, other than a few stolen key retailers like Pottery Barn and Williams Sonoma. The biggest additions, in numbers, are locally owned or franchised boutiques and workout/beauty locations - GracyLane, First Watch, OrangeTheory, Woodhouse, La Belezza, etc) several of which already exist in the area, or even at other Fairmount-owned centers - and none of which were on their leasing maps/wish list 2-3 years ago (like Club Monaco, Restoration Hardware 50,000 sf gallery, Mitchell Gold+Bob Williams, Michael Symon Steak, Warby Parker, etc... were) Add to this the likely 4-6+ month rollout of new stores, instead of a single grand opening of most stores in May (despite 5 years of development to make Pinecrest happen) and it would seem that Fairmount doesn't have all their ducks in a row.
April 21, 20187 yr What happened to the Nespresso café was that supposed to be here, or at Beachwood or is it not happening ??
April 21, 20187 yr What happened to the Nespresso café was that supposed to be here, or at Beachwood or is it not happening ?? There were job postings for the Nespresso boutique at Beachwood Place earlier in 2018. Don't know beyond that... It is unusual for a lifestyle development like Pinecrest to not have a coffee shop announced as part of their tenant lineup, as Starbucks, if anything, are everywhere. I know downtown's Erie Island Coffee was on early leasing maps..
April 21, 20187 yr What is happening with Kona Grill I don’t see it on their signage anymore, Could end up Across the street with Cooper Hawk’s??? Or elsewhere on the east side?? Kona apparently isn't happening at Pinecrest, despite plans approved by Orange in Summer 2017 - and their logo being on the signage along Harvard as late as this week. Yes, could end up across the street - or perhaps at La Place, in place of soon-to-be vacant Williams-Sonoma... etc... Kona Grill is having financial issues and is planning to close some locations. I doubt you’ll see them opening up here. If they do, it will be under a new franchise model.
April 22, 20187 yr What is happening with Kona Grill I don’t see it on their signage anymore, Could end up Across the street with Cooper Hawk’s??? Or elsewhere on the east side?? Kona apparently isn't happening at Pinecrest, despite plans approved by Orange in Summer 2017 - and their logo being on the signage along Harvard as late as this week. Yes, could end up across the street - or perhaps at La Place, in place of soon-to-be vacant Williams-Sonoma... etc... Kona Grill is having financial issues and is planning to close some locations. I doubt you’ll see them opening up here. If they do, it will be under a new franchise model. Good, they can keep it! Some of the worst sushi I've had in my life.
April 22, 20187 yr ^My general rule of thumb is to not get sushi from places that sell things other than sushi (or at least not getting sushi from places that have anything other than Japanese food on the menu), but that can be a tall order in the Midwest. “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
April 27, 20187 yr Heard that the restaurant joining Cooper's Hawk across the street on the other side of Harvard will be a Chuy's - never been there but have heard that as far as Tex-Mex chains go, it is pretty good.
April 27, 20187 yr Heard that the restaurant joining Cooper's Hawk across the street on the other side of Harvard will be a Chuy's - never been there but have heard that as far as Tex-Mex chains go, it is pretty good. That's great news - and it was on the short list of restaurants I thought might land in that very visible spot. It is a surprisingly good chain Tex-Mex place with fresh tortillas, salsas, dressings, etc.. reasonable prices and fun decor. My wife and I are hooked and have driven twice to Columbus in last two months simply to eat dinner there..
April 27, 20187 yr My wife and I are hooked and have driven twice to Columbus in last two months simply to eat dinner there.. You drove 4+ hours just to eat dinner? I mean I'm guessing it could be good, but I can't imagine doing that for ANY restaurant!
April 27, 20187 yr My wife and I are hooked and have driven twice to Columbus in last two months simply to eat dinner there.. You drove 4+ hours just to eat dinner? I mean I'm guessing it could be good, but I can't imagine doing that for ANY restaurant! I know.. I know... We all have our things, right? (And it's <5 hours for me, RT...) But the fresh flour tortillas, 80s-style fajitas, jalapeno dip and tres leches cake are just crazy/craveably good. Oh, and the adjacent Elm&Iron home store is a nice after dinner local merchant.
April 27, 20187 yr Well that's quite the ringing endorsement. I have to say I'm a little excited to try it out now.
April 27, 20187 yr Chuy's is good but it's overpriced. There's one down the street from my job in Austin Landing and we go for work lunches. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 27, 20187 yr Local Oak and Embers BBQ opening a Pinecrest location this Fall: https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2018/04/27/oak-and-embers-tavern-to-open-third-location-this-one-at-pinecrest?media=AMP+HTML
April 30, 20187 yr Something to think about. I know they aren't trying to poach from surrounding malls and retail centers for this development, but times have changed. IMO since they are struggling and Beachwood mall is seeing a traffic decline due to what has happened at that mall, I wouldn't be surprised to see some national retailers with expiring leases to pop up at Pinecrest. At this point they are trying to grab who they can.
April 30, 20187 yr Poaching: Williams Sonoma and Pottery Barn are the currently know major stores moving from another, similar retail center ans similarly sized stores to Pinecrest. Lateral move. Apricot Lane boutique (franchise) is closing in Chagrin Falls and going to Pinecrest, also. Moving: Red is moving from its current office park home to Pinecrest. Less a lateral move than needed step up that couldn't happen in current space. Whole Foods is building a new store about 50% larger than its inherited Wild Oats space - where a store that size couldn't easily be accommodated.
May 3, 20187 yr Heard that the restaurant joining Cooper's Hawk across the street on the other side of Harvard will be a Chuy's - never been there but have heard that as far as Tex-Mex chains go, it is pretty good. Chuy's is confirmed at Chagrin Highlands South - found in Orange Village City Council minutes.
May 25, 20187 yr Get yer trendy, affordable glasses ($95 for most people) from one of the fastest growing retailers around - Warby Parker - an, as yet, officially-unannounced Pinecrest tenant, but hiring: https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/Warby-Parker/Job/Store-Leader,-Pinecrest/-in-Cleveland,OH?ojob=ac91ab35a62838d933e279c1adae22c5 Will be very popular...
May 25, 20187 yr Love Warby. Great company and customer service. They undercut the eyeglass conglomerate by offering quality product much less than all the big brands. Been getting my glasses there for years. Thought they would be better at Van Aken IMO
May 25, 20187 yr Love Warby. Great company and customer service. They undercut the eyeglass conglomerate by offering quality product much less than all the big brands. Been getting my glasses there for years. Thought they would be better at Van Aken IMO The last two pairs of Warby Parker glasses we have bought have only cost about $50 after out of network vision insurance and that includes all the special lens treatments and everything you normally pay extra for. Via the traditional insurance and doctors the glasses were costing $250-plus after insurance. And this place is trendy especially among college kids like my daughter and her friends - for them it's the only place to buy glasses. Van Aken will have a SEE I wear store the first in this market.
May 25, 20187 yr just a note about Warby Parker: If you need progressive lenses (ahem), don't expect a $95 deal--they charge about 3X as much (I often wonder, is it really that much more expensive to make them than single prescription lenses?). But WP is still a lot cheaper than typical, traditional opticians. Also, I've noticed that they're producing more expensive frames using titanium (allegedly) and other metals that increase prices about $50 or so. http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
May 30, 20187 yr The new Pinecrest website - with a store map showing maaaaaany initial vacancies... and a list of opening dates (RED now moved to 2019...) - appears to have launched this evening... https://www.discoverpinecrest.com/
May 30, 20187 yr The new Pinecrest website - with a store map showing maaaaaany initial vacancies... They show 41 tenant names for 41 tenant spaces. Are you trying to be funny? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 31, 20187 yr I thought I was missing something too, The only place I know that was officially announced that isn’t there is Kona Grill which we know is having financial issues
May 31, 20187 yr The new Pinecrest website - with a store map showing maaaaaany initial vacancies... They show 41 tenant names for 41 tenant spaces. Are you trying to be funny? No, not being funny. They are showing only leased spaces on the map, not unleased. I count 37 restaurants and retailers (not incl offices) - and this includes those opening now/Summer, Fall and even in 2019. In a review of 2015 original leasing maps, there were around 62 retail/restaurant spaces - including several large ones (Container Store, etc..) which are now not happening = potentially more spaces to rent.. one whole building has no tenants (Kona Grill was supposed to be one of them) - so there are likely 25-30 regular sized store vacancies, unless big tenants take some. In going to REI last week, easy to see down street and see how many spaces vacant, not under construction. This will take awhile to fill...
May 31, 20187 yr http://static1.squarespace.com/static/55258038e4b09e55321180a6/t/56377b58e4b04f32230f8167/1446476632979/PinecrestVisionBook.pdf Here's the old map from 2015 on page 1 of this thread for comparison purposes...
May 31, 20187 yr I think there are still some tenants for whatever reason, aren't final or listed on the website such as Warby Parker and Oak & Embers (which was announced about a month ago).
June 7, 20187 yr With several stores open and more debuting this week, fences and barricades are down and visitors can walk and drive freely. Several new, future tenants noted, for the first time anywhere, on in-development signage - not yet on website - though some known future tenants like those in post above still missing from anything on site or at Pinecrest. The north end of development should be very popular and active - with the (18 and over...) fancy movie theater, City Works and Pinstripes restaurants, Graeter's, Sweetie's Big Fun (with a GREAT sign, BTW.. see pic 14 in link below) all around a park and big, wall video screen. https://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2018/06/shake_shack_pottery_barn_among_1.html
June 8, 20187 yr I drove through there today really like that area around the theater, Smart to have the ice cream shop and the candy shop right there, Shake shack had a line out the door, vineyard vines is right across the street from it, you are right there are many shops that aren’t even listed at all so I guess we’ll just have to see where it goes but it looks really nice.
June 8, 20187 yr wow I'm out of it. I"ve never even heard of most those places, let alone been in one. Hard to be excited for the shopping but I'm sure the development will do well.
June 10, 20187 yr Across the street from Pinecrest They finally have up at least one of the signs that says coming soon Cooper’s Hawk winery and restaurant; they do not have up the sign for the hotel and Chuy’s yet
June 11, 20187 yr Warby Parker sign now in stand-alone, under-construction building adjacent to Shake Shack on middle traffic circle. Also, went to movie yesterday at soft opening of Silverspot Cinemas. The key details: top level lobby with bar/lounge attached - and overlooking main Park area of development. No traditional box office or concession stand. All tickets via app or kiosks (concierges there to help).Tickets: $14.50/each. Seats: plush recliners with trays, cupholders. Arranged mostly in twos with moveable armrest...Our theater could hold 34 people. Biggest theater is 120+.. 10 screens. Food is ordered from seat via in-theater server or app. (18% discretionary gratuity.. FYI). Everything from popcorn to steaks, salads, pasta. Many people in our theater had full meals... I have to warm to that idea, but the $9ish hummus with veggies we had was surpisingly tasty. Food: regular movie prices for soft drinks, popcorn, etc. But bottled beer $6 and draft beer $7 = like a restaurant. Apps $10 +/- then up to steak mid/high $20s. Food served on china with cloth napkins and metal utensils. Nice place. Very nice place. Will be very popular.
June 12, 20187 yr I wondered what that building was next to Shake shack now we know I’m very much looking forward to going to the movie theater it sounds very nice
June 12, 20187 yr I wondered what that building was next to Shake shack now we know I’m very much looking forward to going to the movie theater it sounds very nice For those who choose to venture to the east side (gasp!) suburbs, they will be rewarded with a great deal on glasses, a good burger and a pleasant moviegoing experience.
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