^^^^^I don't know how people in those townhomes will even be able to turn into their garage. That little strip of concrete between the homes and those apartments are awfully narrow.

I like these townhomes a lot, both with design and street presence, I'm just curious about how these designs will look in 10+ years and that goes for all of these similarly designed townhomes with both materials and overall design. Right now though I'm in love with the progress in the area.

Contemporary design has been around longer than 10 years already. Just not in Cleveland. Take a look around Columbus.

Also, these homes will always look better than the "home" that is to the left of the new townhomes at the corner of Freeman and Columbus above.

 

Really?  My townhouse in Cleveland Hts which is of similar contemporary design is approaching 18 years and prior to purchase I had been looking at similar type townhouse in town for at least 10 years before that. 

 

Also, these homes will always look better than the "home" that is to the left of the new townhomes at the corner of Freeman and Columbus above.

 

I was about to say that the only decent, substantial-looking building in those photos was the white building to the left of the new schlock. It also has a better chance of standing in 200 years. But to each their own.

I like the new townhouses under construction at Columbus and Abbey, but the ones at Columbus and Freeman are crazy patchworks of materials and shapes. I hope the era of patchwork architecture will not last too much longer.

 

Also, these homes will always look better than the "home" that is to the left of the new townhomes at the corner of Freeman and Columbus above.

 

I was about to say that the only decent, substantial-looking building in those photos was the white building to the left of the new schlock. It also has a better chance of standing in 200 years. But to each their own.

 

That building is built like a fortress, but the developer did nothing to preserve or highlight any of it's old, distinctive features.

I like these townhomes a lot, both with design and street presence, I'm just curious about how these designs will look in 10+ years and that goes for all of these similarly designed townhomes with both materials and overall design. Right now though I'm in love with the progress in the area.

Contemporary design has been around longer than 10 years already. Just not in Cleveland. Take a look around Columbus.

Also, these homes will always look better than the "home" that is to the left of the new townhomes at the corner of Freeman and Columbus above.

 

Really?  My townhouse in Cleveland Hts which is of similar contemporary design is approaching 18 years and prior to purchase I had been looking at similar type townhouse in town for at least 10 years before that. 

Nobody asked for logic or practical examples, ha. Yes, and there are some in Tremont that have been there for a while too. But not like we are seeing now. One or two here and there are seen as kitch, but now we have full blocks of townhouses and multiple developments near each other. Really brings out the NIMBY's and design critics.

 

 

Also, these homes will always look better than the "home" that is to the left of the new townhomes at the corner of Freeman and Columbus above.

 

I was about to say that the only decent, substantial-looking building in those photos was the white building to the left of the new schlock. It also has a better chance of standing in 200 years. But to each their own.

 

LOL, it's garbage. Nice building that should have stayed a garage or warehouse. The rehab was obviously done with not intention or input on design. Why would you put muntined white vinyl windows in an industrial building? It adds no character to the neighborhood, which is what makes successful cities where people want to live and work.  If someone were to build two story townhomes constructed of a concrete structural frame and gray CMU exterior, it would stand for a long time and be very durable. But it would be an eyesore of the community.

"LOL, it's garbage. Nice building that should have stayed a garage or warehouse. The rehab was obviously done with not intention or input on design. Why would you put muntined white vinyl windows in an industrial building?"

 

You know... Cheapest crap out there.

Hey, I'm still wearing the same stuff from the 1990s and still listening to the same music from the 1970s and 80s. All I know is that anything new is no good. ;)

 

And I wouldn't know vinyl windows from.... Wait, there's an alternative?

Hey, I'm still wearing the same stuff from the 1990s and still listening to the same music from the 1970s and 80s. All I know is that anything new is no good. ;)

 

And I wouldn't know vinyl windows from.... Wait, there's an alternative?

 

Haha

Hey, I'm still wearing the same stuff from the 1990s and still listening to the same music from the 1970s and 80s. All I know is that anything new is no good. ;)

 

And I wouldn't know vinyl windows from.... Wait, there's an alternative?

 

Oh, there's an alternative....

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,29491.0.html

Redirecting from the Ohio City thread -- mu2010[/member] Eastside[/member]

 

Looking at the county website, they own land on the west side of Columbus from 25th to almost the river (Franklin). Runs along the tracks. It fronts Columbus south of Abbey Ave bridge, but there are houses in front of RTA's land north of that bridge.

 

Thing is that is all land earmarked for the Greenway, I thought. But they can probably squeeze something else in there along Columbus.

 

The Duck Island master plan from a few years ago envisioned townhomes on the GCRTA land along Columbus. The city is holding a public meeting on August 17th to discuss rezoning most of Duck Island. The GCRTA land you mentioned is the blue area along Columbus from Lorain south to W.25th., earmarked to become a multi-family designation.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/mc/pdf/MC2586-Public-Notification.pdf

Ordinance No. xxx-18(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack): Changing the Use, Area and Height Districts of lands in the Duck Island Neighborhood, northwest of the Flats Industrial Railroad line east of West 25th Street and south of Lorain Avenue.

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/08172018/index.php

Duck Island News. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/duck-city-developing-as-cleveland-s-newest-neighborhood

An update on the "Duck Island 7" townhomes at the corner Abbey and Columbus. The construction fence came down on these a few weeks ago.

 

http://www.duckisland7.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

@KJP You mentioned in a blog post that Brickman sold his land and development plans to somebody.  Care to elaborate?

 

"The project and its properties were sold by an Andrew Brickman-led company to a nationally prominent real estate developer which seeks to increase the scale of the project."

Just now, RMB said:

@KJP You mentioned in a blog post that Brickman sold his land and development plans to somebody.  Care to elaborate?

 

"The project and its properties were sold by an Andrew Brickman-led company to a nationally prominent real estate developer which seeks to increase the scale of the project."

 

Not yet. The source asked me to not reveal the buyer. It's a familiar, local name however.

To maybe throw a twig or two into the bonfire, Sam McNulty just posted a photo on his instagram showing a good size roll of construction plans with a message about permits, city hall, and details coming soon.

LINK

If you zoom in, the address seems to show West 25 Street 

Edited November 5, 20186 yr by CbusTransit

14 minutes ago, CbusTransit said:

If you zoom in, the address seems to show West 25 Street 

 

I don't think that's the address of the development. At least a half dozen of McNulty's businesses list to 1948 West 25th St. I think it's the address for whatever business is undertaking this development -- which, BTW, that document shows Dimit as his architect.

Edited November 5, 20186 yr by KJP

Wait, why was this posted in the Duck Island thread? Is it known or assumed that this is where McNulty's next project will be built @originaljbw? Considering his offices are at 1948 W. 25th, I checked Ohio City sources and he apparently doesn't have any plans there. No property transfers have been recorded in any of his existing companies' names. If it's in Duck Island, then his project would be south of Lorain because OCI only oversees Duck Island north of Lorain. Should I assume that, given the thickness of blueprints, it apparently is a multi-story building or a multi-building development. Dimit sources aren't talking. What big piece of land can accommodate that? The RTA land? Morgan Linen Services? I have to wonder if this will be close to the Guardians of Transportation. They're on most of McNulty's logos.

Edited November 6, 20186 yr by KJP

Nobody goes to the building department with construction plans unless they've already gone through design review, block clubs, BZA, etc, which would have become public. Dimit's done a lot of restaurant interior renovations. Given it says "Markt" on the plans, it could just be a renovation of their Bier Markt space which wouldn't require all the city review (unless they touched the storefront which goes through landmark commission). Or maybe a second location?

Edited November 6, 20186 yr by Mendo

I see "Cento" on the paper too, which is at the same location as Bier Markt (also where his business offices are). But he hasn't gone through all those other steps otherwise OCI would know about it. Hell, I would have known about it as I follow all of the review boards. And why would Dimit be so secret, too if this has already entered the public review process? They told me it's up to McNulty to announce what he's up to when he's ready.

Edited November 6, 20186 yr by KJP

There’s been talk of a Bier Markt / Cento redux for a couple years now.

So it needs a do-over/rebuild?

I just figured, as the guy who did the Duck Island 7, it might me a coincidence that the Brickman properties changed hands at the same time McNulty posted the roll of plans. Maybe a McNulty got a taste for the development business and is partnering with a bigger fish to get a bigger project done.

 

In the past he has posted on social media asking what people think the neighborhood needs. 

McNulty isn't the new developer of the Brickman site.

 

Do you remember what people told him on social media @originaljbw? I assume it was on Instagram and not Twitter because I searched his Twitter account for clues and didn't find much except his strong interest in Duck Island and Ohio City. He also has posted a lot about Irishtown Bend Park.

Edited November 6, 20186 yr by KJP

Yea the thing I saw was on FB way back this year. Most people said things like more local produce at the WSM. I wasn't trying to imply he was the developer, but he seems good at getting different groups together to better the neighborhood. 

I'll pitch in what I've heard about the ex-Brickman development- it's being scaled up considerably from the last rendering we saw, though exact plans aren't in place.  Or weren't as of when I heard the rumor a couple of months ago.

That's what I was told as well. Posted it in my blog about the "nearly 40+ towers" built/uc/planned.

 

And I thought I already posted this, but to the earlier comment, McNulty isn't the new developer of the Brickman site. Think bigger.

I'll throw out a guess: MRN

Sorry, I can't answer. A source asked me to not reveal it. But you should know the project is very much alive.

Edited November 6, 20186 yr by KJP

Heard there was some very fierce debate at the duck island block club regarding the RTA's land along columbus.  Many feel that losing that much tree cover would be a shame and proponents of the redline greenway are concerned that the greenway becomes a little trail stuck between two chain-link fences.

Through that area, yes the Greenway is going to be squeezed just as the Red Line will be. The parking structure for the Market Square development will come right up against the west side of the rail right of way and the 10-foot-wide greenway will come up against the east side of the rail ROW. The development along Columbus Road will push the greenway against the Red Line. I have a blog article coming about this.

Big developments converge on Ohio City's Red Line station

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2018/11/big-developments-converge-on-ohio-citys.html

Hadn't seen that McNulty Instagram post until now. Looks like the drawing title block has the Bier Markt and Bar Cento logos in the "client" box, which is odd if the project isn't tangentially related to those beyond Sam just being the developer.

Plus, McNulty referenced getting building permits from the Building Department. Those plans/permit applications can't be for the RTA property, which is still months away from being approved for sale by the RTA board.

Driving by it looks like this townhome development has been taking another step forward, with more equipment and obvious activity on site over the last week.  Still looks like site prep/utility work.

 

http://www.duckislanddevelopment.com/west-nineteen-townhomes/

 

TUESDAY, MARCH 5, 2019

Columbus Road TOD coming into focus for Duck Island

 

Today, the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority's (GCRTA) announced its staff recommendation for who should develop its Duck Island property along Columbus Road south of the Ohio City Red Line rail station. The GCRTA Board of Trustees still must decide whether to approve that recommendation. The proposed team and design may be intriguing to many.

The recommended developer is Carnegie Management and Development Corp. of Westlake. On their team is a well-known international architectural firm Perkins & Will Global which has undertaken many Transit-Oriented Development (TOD) master plans and TOD-thematic projects.
 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/03/columbus-road-tod-coming-into-focus-for.html

This morning's presentation to GCRTA's real estate committee, which moved the recommendation of Carnegie et al to the full board for approval. Many more steps left to go....

Edited March 5, 20196 yr by KJP

Were there any renderings shown?

Unfortunately, no. And according to a source for my article, none were required as part of the RFQ. If it was an RFP, then renderings would have been more appropriate.

 

There's still a long way to go. The next step starts tonight at the Duck Island Block Club meeting at 6:30 p.m. TONIGHT at Forest City Brewery, 2135 Columbus Rd.

 

 

Man, those Powerpoint formats are rough...can the RTA please hire a millennial or intern just to not have bullet point text on every slide?

Some other outfit decided to eventually report on this story too.... ?

 

RTA picks developer for Columbus Road site

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/03/rta-picks-developer-for-columbus-road-site.html

Is anyone planning on attending the block club meeting tonight? I'd love to go but my son's tumbling class is tonight.

I'm going to head over since I know about it now.

@bdaily Did you or anyone else go?

Have they done any interesting work?  It seems like a pretty uninspired, corporate choice

Only what Carnegie is about to do...One Lakewood Place.

I didn't go, but it doesn't sound like they gave any solid details or commitments about the exact nature of the development.

I attended. As X stated, no solid details were provided other than this will be a mixed-use ToD - but that is because this was an RFQ process and design has not begun. The only thing that is certain, at this point in time, is that Carnegie is the chosen developer because they have experience with projects of this type. Carnegie has 9 months from signing to perform their real estate due diligence. Most likely of note, as I did not see it in the slides above, Carnegie has requested a closing/construction start date by sometime next year; that would mean design/permitting/financing/etc all be completed within a year's time. The Q&A was pretty energetic and had to be cut to maintain the agenda's schedule.

The next block club meeting will be April 2nd - where Kerry McCormack and Cory Riordan will be speaking with the club about the their Red Line / Greenway concerns & input.

Edited March 6, 20196 yr by bdaily