This agenda item was approved by the GCRTA board this morning. For this and other rail items on today's GCRTA agenda, see the GCRTA thread in the transportation section of UO......

 

G. 2019-33 - Authorizing the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority to execute a Non-Binding Letter of Intent with Carnegie Management and Development Corporation, an Ohio Corporation, for Transit-Oriented Development of GCRTA property located at Columbus Road and Abbey Avenue, adjacent to the West 25th Street Rapid Transit Station

"Escape the city life"?? Some of one want this site developed because Cleveland has too much undeveloped land and not enough city life. And that lack of city life is why GCRTA has lost so much ridership.

 

 

Exactly Ken....Plus there is going to be a huge riverfront park developed 500 feet down the hill.  More city life, the better!!!

LOL

Edited March 27, 20196 yr by KJP

I'm not seeing the image, just the filename.

howzzat?

Fixed!

The West Nineteen Townhomes are starting to get framed out.

For months I've stated that Andy Brickman was going to sell the Lorain Avenue property where he planned to build Brickhaus Towers. I should note that in, a paragraph of my Scranton Peninsula article, I referred to this without naming it directly....

 

After that project, NRP officials reportedly considered developing one of several sites on Cleveland's near-West Side. But those were too close to The Edison and might have put NRP in competition with itself for residents. Scranton Peninsula was considered a unique setting for NRP's housing products in Cleveland.

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/05/flats-scranton-peninsula-may-develop.html

 

....But I can now say publicly that NRP Group was seriously considering buying the Brickman site. Not only has NRP directed its focus at Scranton Peninsula just down the down the hill, but Brickman apparently is no longer interested in selling. He apparently wants to develop this site after all. I'm not sure what changed his mind, but I'd be willing to bet it's the maturation of Cleveland's urban core real estate market combined with the availability of Opportunity Zone funds.

^ I wondered if that was the case with Brickhaus. This project is still listed on their website.

 

http://www.brickhauspartners.com/communities/ohio-city/

 

 

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/W-20th-St-Moore-Court-Cleveland-OH/17827628/

Brickhaus One West Twenty land was put up online for sale yesterday.

There was an out-of-town party interested in an off-market purchase of the portion of the site now listed but apparently that deal fell through. 

Edited November 28, 20195 yr by KJP

3 hours ago, KJP said:

There was an out-of-town party interested in an off-market purchase of the portion of the site now listed but apparently that deal fell through. 

Hopefully Brickhaus will build the twice 15-20 story multiuse Towers he originally proposed several years ago...

Edited November 28, 20195 yr by Larry1962

5 hours ago, Larry1962 said:

Hopefully Brickhaus will build the twice 15-20 story multiuse Towers he originally proposed several years ago...

Probably not since they're selling the land ?

Brickhaus is out. He's focused on his Rocky River project. His Duck Island high-rise plan was an architect's wet dream. It wasn't based on economic reality. There are others who are pursuing dense developments at this and other sites in the immediate area.

11 hours ago, KJP said:

Brickhaus is out. He's focused on his Rocky River project. His Duck Island high-rise plan was an architect's wet dream. It wasn't based on economic reality. There are others who are pursuing dense developments at this and other sites in the immediate area.

I have lots of egg all over my face.  When I created my one and only thread about 3-4 years ago asking what project in development would be first and why I had the Brickhaus project as number one.  My only solace is that a number of other posters agreed at the time.  I have confidence something will eventually get built here.  The views are too good.

Just now, Htsguy said:

I have lots of egg all over my face.  When I created my one and only thread about 3-4 years ago asking what project in development would be first and why I had the Brickhaus project as number one.  My only solace is that a number of other posters agreed at the time.  I have confidence something will eventually get built here.  The views are too good.

 

I doubt anyone remembered your prediction, so you probably aren't well served by reminding them! ?  There's been interest in the site. So I agree that something will get built there. Although their asking price is a tad high.

10 hours ago, KJP said:

 

I doubt anyone remembered your prediction, so you probably aren't well served by reminding them! ?  There's been interest in the site. So I agree that something will get built there. Although their asking price is a tad high.

It might stay vacant for awhile because of that. The amount of capital they put into buying that neighborhood and demolishing it wasn’t cheap.

Edited November 30, 20195 yr by marty15

A couple project updates. Townhomes at West 19th and Freeman behind the animal clinic.

A bunch of single family homes recently finished. I would have taken more pics if I had more time. There are others under construction.

Really like the single family homes.  Wish (as usual) they would have given some thought to the landscaping.

Duck Island is going to be fun to walk around 5/10 years from now as a full neighborhood of luxury housing to appreciate all the modern architecture.

5 hours ago, Mendo said:

A bunch of single family homes recently finished. I would have taken more pics if I had more time. There are others under construction.

 

Not sure why Terdolph is down voting this. This is a great example of dense, SFH that's great for the urban core. It gives more variety and option. The bricks are nice to tie in with the historic aesthetic of the neighborhood while also looking modern. The siding isn't great, but you can barely see it except on the ends, which could be fixed with landscaping or more homes. Dense SFH is great for smaller side streets if mixed in with townhomes, and some smaller apartments. 

5 hours ago, Mendo said:

A bunch of single family homes recently finished. I would have taken more pics if I had more time. There are others under construction.

I like the design. They seem to pay homage to the Cleveland double.

20 hours ago, Mendo said:

A bunch of single family homes recently finished. I would have taken more pics if I had more time. There are others under construction.

I also like the design, color/brick selections, but it's too bad there are so few outward-facing windows on the end units. Perhaps they intend to add additional units to the end?

Edited December 2, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder

1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said:

I also like the design, color/brick selections, but it's too bad there are so few outward-facing windows on the end units. Perhaps they intend to add additional units to the end?

 

The builder is planning other houses in this area, but I don't think another one is going directly against the end one to continue the row.

There will be an additional unit to the south eventually, but not an additional one at the north end.

On 12/1/2019 at 8:48 AM, Htsguy said:

Really like the single family homes.  Wish (as usual) they would have given some thought to the landscaping.

Indeed it looks like the work of a third grader lol. 

On 12/1/2019 at 12:25 PM, tykaps said:

Duck Island is going to be fun to walk around 5/10 years from now as a full neighborhood of luxury housing to appreciate all the modern architecture.

That's what it is now!  And almost every month an old house goes such that there aren't that many of them left to replace with the modern, and I'm fine with that!

On 12/1/2019 at 11:48 AM, Htsguy said:

Really like the single family homes.  Wish (as usual) they would have given some thought to the landscaping.

Really?  I'd imagine those who have purchased here specifically do not want a lot of landscaping to plan and purchase, and  maintain.  Look around: each resident does his or her own thing in front of each house - just enough yo make a statement.  See the row on W.18th; there's a good variety of plant choices and arrangements on postage-sized yards.  Like the expensive row houses in the eastern seaboard cities and San Francisco.

16 minutes ago, lafont said:

Really?  I'd imagine those who have purchased here specifically do not want a lot of landscaping to plan and purchase, and  maintain.  Look around: each resident does his or her own thing in front of each house - just enough yo make a statement.  See the row on W.18th; there's a good variety of plant choices and arrangements on postage-sized yards.  Like the expensive row houses in the eastern seaboard cities and San Francisco.

Yes really.  The plant choices are ridiculous.  The evergreens in the front look like arborvitaes which, in my opinion, are totally inappropriate for that location (bordering a side walk-they  are usually used for screening, often between houses).   The  will get tall and basically block the house.  And  what's with the short planting behind the tall.  Very strange.  No thought given to this landscaping at all. Looks like somebody just got a deal on some bushes and put them anywhere.  Low care landscaping could have been done much better at little cost.

The way in which it is landscaped, it would appear that the intent was to cordon off and isolate the first floor terraces from the sidewalk; maybe for privacy?

The city prefers having tall plantings along the sidewalk to hold the urban edge. It also works for privacy, obviously. Plant choices here are lacking though...

Edited December 4, 20195 yr by w28th

On 12/2/2019 at 1:26 PM, surfohio said:

Indeed it looks like the work of a third grader lol. 

 

Oh, which Knez project is your favorite? Or can't decide?

 

The Redline Greenway folks, and much of the neighborhood, is royally p-ssed that Metroparks took down so many trees.  It was like a clearcut.

Metroparks has to grade the land, remove invasive species, and design the green space in a way that can be maintained. They'll probably have to remove contaminated soil- they took Federal funding for the project which has a ton of conditions.

 

It sucks that the trees are gone, but it would be great if the Redline folks would learn what redeveloping the land into a public park entails. 

Yeah. If there’s one organization in NEO I trust to do things right, it’s the Metroparks.

^Agreed. If the city cut them down, I would almost 100% believe there was no good reason. The Metroparks have staff that know what they are doing, and they have actually been on a mission to increase urban canopy cover. They have planted hundreds of trees at Edgewater right up along the Shoreway, and honestly, their trees are the only ones still alive compared to the ones planted by the state in the median. I do trust them to do the right thing here.

On 12/1/2019 at 11:15 AM, Mendo said:

A couple project updates. Townhomes at West 19th and Freeman behind the animal clinic.

 

I drove by the other day. One of the homeowners across the street has a MASSIVE banner on their fence reading "Townhomes are not single family homes. Preserve our neighborhood!" 

 

I'm sure that's a welcoming sight to buyers

I think a lot of Cleveland residents that never fled to the suburbs got really comfortable having sparsely populated streets where they could park anywhere. Duck Island property is worth 3-5x more than it was just a few years ago thanks to continued development like this. I’ll never understand these types.

Edited January 8, 20205 yr by marty15

^^I noticed that banner in Streetview- it's been there for a few years now: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4828233,-81.6978263,3a,75y,263.22h,82.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAv9W3qwTL6dJRsGs-pp4NA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DAv9W3qwTL6dJRsGs-pp4NA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D7.19655%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

Edited January 8, 20205 yr by StapHanger

My favorite part is that their nextdoor neighbor's residence is older than theirs and is a 2-unit house with another 2 unit carriage house. 

3 hours ago, StapHanger said:

^^I noticed that banner in Streetview- it's been there for a few years now: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4828233,-81.6978263,3a,75y,263.22h,82.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAv9W3qwTL6dJRsGs-pp4NA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DAv9W3qwTL6dJRsGs-pp4NA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D7.19655%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

ok Boomer....  

Maybe they were influenced by the "Corporations are not people" shout out.  If this banner has actually been on display "for years"  it really ruins the appearance of that house.  A banner like that should only be on display a very short time, if at all, and never right in front of a house.  I wrote a long article on that sort of thing for the old "Habitat" newspaper - things that are very tacky and could be handled more tastefully and be just as effective.

I mean, aren't townhomes technically single family homes? They are just attached single family homes. 

4 hours ago, tykaps said:

My favorite part is that their nextdoor neighbor's residence is older than theirs and is a 2-unit house with another 2 unit carriage house. 

 

My favorite part is that they have a new construction house on a double lot that looks nothing like any of the historic houses in the neighborhood.  "Save our neighborhood!"

Banner should have read: "Preserve our drug haven!" 

 

They should thank their lucky stars that this neighborhood has seen such substantial development and investment. Check the Google Street views from 2007 in the surrounding area near that house... Spooky. 

Edited January 8, 20205 yr by BJBaes

2009:

 

2019:

 

 

Townhomes suck!!! 

5 hours ago, StapHanger said:

^^I noticed that banner in Streetview- it's been there for a few years now: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4828233,-81.6978263,3a,75y,263.22h,82.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAv9W3qwTL6dJRsGs-pp4NA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DAv9W3qwTL6dJRsGs-pp4NA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D7.19655%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

 

And look how much this block has changed in just 3/4 short years.  I don't understand how people living here do not see this as a GOOD thing?!  Sorry, NIMBY, there's always Strongsville.