July 13, 20204 yr New renderings for Stoneleigh’s Waterford Bluffs! Definitely an improvement, IMO. Also nice to see they’re showing a better streetscape with some trees. Schematic design review to happen this week.
July 13, 20204 yr Looks pretty good. It fixes the biggest weakness, the ground floor along the sidewalk.
July 13, 20204 yr its obviously an improvement from previous. It looks like a nice random apartment building from the 90s. I would wonder if they would not want to take advantage of the spectacular views and add a community room at the top with lounge area. i see this going more vertical still at least another floor or 2.
July 14, 20204 yr Vocon just can't help but apply alternatively colored cement board panels to make vertically oriented visual elements.
July 25, 20204 yr When is the groundbreaking? After City Planning approval, cleveland.com and Crain's each published different dates: Crain's: "Developer Stoneleigh Cos. hopes to break ground in September for Waterford Bluffs, a 241-unit building....The project, with a roughly $60 million price tag, could be complete in mid-2022." Cleveland.com: "Stoneleigh hopes to break ground on the project in the spring of 2021 so it can start leasing apartments in a post-pandemic future..." https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/developers-forge-ahead-apartment-plans-clevelands-near-west-side https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/07/apartment-projects-approved-friday-by-cleveland-city-planning-commission-convey-confidence-in-demand-despite-pandemic.html
July 25, 20204 yr ^^Also per the above Crain's Cleveland article: Freddy Collier, the city's planning director, said during Friday's meeting. "I was very pleased with the fact that this was a mid-rise structure rather than a tower, that was originally proposed for this particular site." My question is why does both OCI and the some members of city staff DON'T want a RESIDENTIAL TOWER? Original it was to be a 500 unit Tower with ground floor retail. Of course this project is BETTER than a EMPTY LOT... BUT is it the HIGHEST and BEST USE for a prime location with great views? IMHO I think not. SAD when the local CDC and the City stand in the way of what could have been a REALLY GREAT PROJECT instead of just a good project. We deserve better. Cleveland deserve better. Edited July 25, 20204 yr by Larry1962 More details
July 25, 20204 yr ^ The city isn't standing in the way of this being a high rise. Midrises are what Stoneleigh does.
July 25, 20204 yr Author I think it makes sense to me that this is not a tower. Start with 4- to 5-story buildings along the rim and build your way up away from the rim so that more residents can enjoy some views. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 25, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: I think it makes sense to me that this is not a tower. Start with 4- to 5-story buildings along the rim and build your way up away from the rim so that more residents can enjoy some views. I agree. I think a tower would be out of place in that location. It serves as a nice transition from single family homes into the market district. I also don't see that location easily supporting lots of retail. I had been hearing that late 2020 was the planned groundbreaking, so maybe the cleveland.com article is wrong?
July 25, 20204 yr I'd put my money on Michelle at Crain's over anything cleveland.com says now days. I'm also not upset about this being a midrise, because I think we can still see a highrise there in the future. This isn't on the entire site that was originally shown to have the two highrises. There is still that one hold out property on the corner of W20 and the lower stretch of Lorain. I'm guessing that is what ended up killing the plan for high rises and led to the sale to Stoneleigh. If that parcel is acquired in the future, we could still see a highrise there and on the remainder of the lot, which would probably work out best for views since the midrise wouldn't be blocking it.
July 26, 20204 yr Author 7 hours ago, PoshSteve said: I'd put my money on Michelle at Crain's over anything cleveland.com says now days. I'm also not upset about this being a midrise, because I think we can still see a highrise there in the future. This isn't on the entire site that was originally shown to have the two highrises. There is still that one hold out property on the corner of W20 and the lower stretch of Lorain. I'm guessing that is what ended up killing the plan for high rises and led to the sale to Stoneleigh. If that parcel is acquired in the future, we could still see a highrise there and on the remainder of the lot, which would probably work out best for views since the midrise wouldn't be blocking it. I thought Brickman was holding on to that remaining property for some future townhouses? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 26, 20204 yr 43 minutes ago, KJP said: I thought Brickman was holding on to that remaining property for some future townhouses? Could be. I don't know what is planned there, but I like the idea of something similar to the proposed viaduct tower over townhomes. I suppose a highrise could fit on the remaining site as is. The holdout parcel is alot smaller than I thought it was.
September 17, 20204 yr On 7/24/2020 at 8:18 PM, Pugu said: When is the groundbreaking? After City Planning approval, cleveland.com and Crain's each published different dates: Crain's: "Developer Stoneleigh Cos. hopes to break ground in September for Waterford Bluffs, a 241-unit building....The project, with a roughly $60 million price tag, could be complete in mid-2022." Cleveland.com: "Stoneleigh hopes to break ground on the project in the spring of 2021 so it can start leasing apartments in a post-pandemic future..." https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/developers-forge-ahead-apartment-plans-clevelands-near-west-side https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/07/apartment-projects-approved-friday-by-cleveland-city-planning-commission-convey-confidence-in-demand-despite-pandemic.html Anyone see any movement on that site yet? Does September (this month) or Spring seem more likely?
September 17, 20204 yr 2 minutes ago, infrafreak said: Anyone see any movement on that site yet? Does September (this month) or Spring seem more likely? They only previously received schematic approval. They are on tomorrows Planning Commission agenda seeking final approval. Cannot say if this means a September ground breaking but they are moving forward.
September 17, 20204 yr Great news. Between this property, INTRO, and what appears will be a MRN-led red line greenway project, this will be a hot corridor for development. Perhaps that will incentivize plans for the rest of Brickhaus's 1.3 acres - those still have no announced plans, right?
September 18, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, Htsguy said: They only previously received schematic approval. They are on tomorrows Planning Commission agenda seeking final approval. Cannot say if this means a September ground breaking but they are moving forward. Does city planning no longer post the packet of images for the meeting like they used to or is that I just can't find it? I'm on this page--but don't see it: http://clevelandohio.gov/CityofCleveland/Home/Government/CityAgencies/CityPlanningCommission/MeetingSchedules
September 18, 20204 yr Author 23 minutes ago, Pugu said: Does city planning no longer post the packet of images for the meeting like they used to or is that I just can't find it? I'm on this page--but don't see it: http://clevelandohio.gov/CityofCleveland/Home/Government/CityAgencies/CityPlanningCommission/MeetingSchedules Unfortunately, no. The website can't accommodate the images. I have to request them for each meeting, which puts more responsibility on CPC staff. There isn't even a media packet being sent out. Edited September 18, 20204 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 18, 20204 yr ^Thanks. That's just silly and completely backwards in the era of moving towards greater government openness and the provision of information on websites. Is this a temporary thing or a permanent "improvement" from the Dept of City Planning?
September 18, 20204 yr 9 hours ago, Pugu said: ^Thanks. That's just silly and completely backwards in the era of moving towards greater government openness and the provision of information on websites. Is this a temporary thing or a permanent "improvement" from the Dept of City Planning? Depends on how hard @KJP wears them down with requests ?
September 18, 20204 yr Final approval for Waterford Bluffs today... don't know why the City decided to remove the images from the planning commission website. Makes zero sense.
September 18, 20204 yr Author 1 hour ago, Oldmanladyluck said: Final approval for Waterford Bluffs today... don't know why the City decided to remove the images from the planning commission website. Makes zero sense. I responded here..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 3, 20204 yr 18 unit and 12 unit apartment buildings planned for Willey Ave on Duck Island from the latest planning commission meeting Edited October 4, 20204 yr by tykaps
October 3, 20204 yr ^^^^. Not a fan. Looks like it could also be a plastic surgery center on Chagrin Blvd....
October 4, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, Cleburger said: ^^^^. Not a fan. Looks like it could also be a plastic surgery center on Chagrin Blvd.... Ya I love the density and location, but who wants to live in or walk past such a sterile blank box. No color, no ornament, no variation in the façade's design or texture, nothing... Edited October 4, 20204 yr by tykaps
October 4, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, tykaps said: 18 unit and 12 unit apartment buildings planned for Willey Ave on Duck Island from the latest planning commission meeting
October 4, 20204 yr this is exciting. Wiley has been such a major failure for so long and a financial and spiritual drag on our buildings, so seeing it improve is really exciting
October 4, 20204 yr The Duck Island Neighborhood Plan distinctly stated that the community wanted to see the ridgeline around the neighborhood saved as greenspace, an idea that I am personally a fan of. Too bad developers seem to want to dig into those hillsides and tear up what was a nice, continuous green band around the neighborhood. There's so much level ground with empty lots that could be developed instead. I don't care about the design one way or the other.
October 4, 20204 yr Lincoln Hts? See the first image for the bldgs on Willey Ave---they've labeled the neighborhood on the right side of the image "Lincoln Hts" -- is that accurate? If so, is it a new name or an old one and what are the boundaries? I guess it would be within the SPA "Clark-Fulton" but "Clark-Fulton" isn't a real cohesive or naturally created neighborhood.
October 4, 20204 yr 8 hours ago, Pugu said: Lincoln Hts? See the first image for the bldgs on Willey Ave---they've labeled the neighborhood on the right side of the image "Lincoln Hts" -- is that accurate? If so, is it a new name or an old one and what are the boundaries? I guess it would be within the SPA "Clark-Fulton" but "Clark-Fulton" isn't a real cohesive or naturally created neighborhood. Could be an old name. The elementary school in that neighborhood, Luis Munoz Marin, was formerly named Abraham Lincoln.
October 4, 20204 yr From https://clevelandhistorical.org/tours/show/15 Tremont’s monikers are almost as diverse as its churches, shops, restaurants, bars and living spaces. Originally part of Brooklyn Township, the area was incorporated between 1836 and 1854 as part of Ohio City. Around that time, the area became known as Cleveland Heights. Cleveland Heights morphed into University Heights in 1851 when plans were laid for the short-lived Cleveland University. This explains the preponderance of “academic” street names, such as Professor, Literary, College and University. After the Civil War, University Heights became Lincoln Heights to commemorate the area’s role as the site of two Union Army camps. At this time (around 1867), the neighborhood was annexed to Cleveland. Lincoln Heights later changed to South Side and, when the City of Cleveland established community development corporations (CDCs) in the late 1970s, South Side officially became known as Tremont.
October 4, 20204 yr The block club for that area around Scranton is also known as the Lincoln Heights block club. I'm not sure what ties the "Lincoln Heights" name to that particular part of Tremont.
October 4, 20204 yr Check out the Lincoln Heights master plan from earlier this year to get an idea of neighborhood boundaries https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/03/tremont-lincoln-heights-plan-shows.html Edited October 4, 20204 yr by tykaps
October 4, 20204 yr ^ The master plan looks like it has some apartment buildings sited there, so this would fit in with the official plans for the neighborhood. I'm a fan of this - the location, design, and infill. It appears to be white brick, and I love the contrast with the black window frames (I think I've mentioned I like black window frames before). Willey is so post-apocalyptic through there right now. This will do great in connecting Tremont to Duck Island and OC. While the desire to have it remain greenspace is understandable, we have to be real about it too. There is zero chance that as "greenspace" this would be anything but the current overgrown gravel/construction dumps with a side of kudzu and half dead trees. Edit: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4816877,-81.6983771,3a,75y,317.23h,92.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTC2Lry58yPx3JISaonbU8w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Edited October 4, 20204 yr by PoshSteve
October 4, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, tykaps said: Check out the Lincoln Heights master plan from earlier this year to get an idea of neighborhood boundaries https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/03/tremont-lincoln-heights-plan-shows.html 2 hours ago, PoshSteve said: ^ The master plan looks like it has some apartment buildings sited there, so this would fit in with the official plans for the neighborhood. I'm a fan of this - the location, design, and infill. It appears to be white brick, and I love the contrast with the black window frames (I think I've mentioned I like black window frames before). Willey is so post-apocalyptic through there right now. This will do great in connecting Tremont to Duck Island and OC. While the desire to have it remain greenspace is understandable, we have to be real about it too. There is zero chance that as "greenspace" this would be anything but the current overgrown gravel/construction dumps with a side of kudzu and half dead trees. Edit: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4816877,-81.6983771,3a,75y,317.23h,92.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTC2Lry58yPx3JISaonbU8w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 The Lincoln Heights block club is very anti-development. It's not surprising that their master plan shows almost no development in their block club area, but development in neighboring block club's areas- in the case of these apartment buildings, Duck Island's. Edit- which is to say, that what that plan shows shouldn't be considered canonical in any fashion for the aspirations of Duck Island residents for their own neighborhood.
October 4, 20204 yr Author Bigger stuff coming! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 4, 20204 yr Just now, KJP said: Bigger stuff coming! How soon are you going to have details to report?
October 4, 20204 yr Author 1 minute ago, X said: How soon are you going to have details to report? Good question. The developers are verrrry slow. I thought I was going to have something to share in the summer of 2019! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20204 yr Author 3 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said: Are the RR tracks crossing Willey getting any use? Not anymore. That's the Flats Industrial Railroad whose remaining customer was the flour mill on Columbus Road Peninsula. They *may* still occasionally serve an aggregate transload site on Scranton Peninsula however. BTW this route across Willey was Cleveland's first railroad, built in the 1840s. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20204 yr I did not know that it was that old. At the time, the Flats "Industrial" Railroad would mainly have been running through farm fields, along the edge of a running stream! A little off topic, but it would be a dream of mine to see Walworth Run daylighted, and most of that valley turned into a linear park. Maybe save a few of the historic buildings.
October 5, 20204 yr 17 hours ago, X said: The Lincoln Heights block club is very anti-development. It's not surprising that their master plan shows almost no development in their block club area, but development in neighboring block club's areas- in the case of these apartment buildings, Duck Island's. Edit- which is to say, that what that plan shows shouldn't be considered canonical in any fashion for the aspirations of Duck Island residents for their own neighborhood. Friendly disagreement. I think, although I have had my frustrations with them (and they would say the same about me :)), that it is too simple to say they're anti-development. They've approved a ton of development in the last 5 years without much rancor. I think the neighborhood has poor infrastructure, many of its residents haven't seen wage growth or increased prosperity and are consequently more skeptical of change. This takes on many forms and might seem anti-development but I think it is much deeper. I also wanted to touch on the comment above about the hillsides being green spaces. That would be amazing but I worry this is impractical. I don't think this area is high priority and that the resources would be devoted to keeping these attractive, litter-free, safe and well-lit spaces. We pushed for many years -- we gets plans and walk throughs done but the follow-up just isn't there (perhaps because the resources are not there) I don't normally say this but it is likely that the private sector could do a better job on these basic things then the NGOs and City could -- which isn't a knock but just a reality of where priorities are given limited resources.
October 6, 20204 yr Article from cleveland.com on the above apartments on Wiley. https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2020/10/developer-looks-to-add-30-apartments-on-inclined-road-in-clevelands-duck-island-area.html Quote Developer looks to add 30 apartments on inclined road in Cleveland’s Duck Island area By Eric Heisig, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio – A developer plan to add 30 new apartments in two buildings on both sides of an inclined industrial road on the southern end of the Duck Island section of Cleveland’s Tremont neighborhood. The “Cooper Flats” buildings will include 18 apartments in one building on one side of Willey Avenue, with 12 additional units in a building across the road. The winding industrial roadway, which also includes the Fairmount Creamery building and Cleveland Animal Protective League to the northeast, is one of several ways residents can travel between Duck Island and what many consider the main section of Tremont. ... He hopes to break ground next year and have the units available for leasing by 2022. Berges owns one of the parcels, while the Cleveland Land Bank owns the other. Some of the units will be affordable housing, while others will be market rate, and Berges said he envisions the 536-square-foot units to rent for between $850 and $1,100 a month.
October 6, 20204 yr 10 hours ago, Mendo said: Article from cleveland.com on the above apartments on Wiley. https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2020/10/developer-looks-to-add-30-apartments-on-inclined-road-in-clevelands-duck-island-area.html My favorite part: Multiple developers have worked to build up the area near the station, near the West Side Market. “The more density we have around rapid stations, it’s a no brainer in my opinion,” Harper said.
October 6, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said: My favorite part: Multiple developers have worked to build up the area near the station, near the West Side Market. “The more density we have around rapid stations, it’s a no brainer in my opinion,” Harper said. Now if only this line of thinking could spread up and down the rapid lines. I was up in Shaker Square on Saturday walking around with a friend during the farmers market. Nearly every train that went through the square was empty or had just a couple people on board. ?
October 20, 20204 yr Does anyone know when Stoneleigh is going to break ground? They have the site for the building staked out, but no activity since that happened.
November 11, 20204 yr More on Waterford and others from Crains and the Stoneleigh website. http://waterfordresidential.com/news/
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