November 11, 20204 yr Did anyone else notice on the website that Waterford is planning 4 new projects in Cleveland?
November 11, 20204 yr Author @RE Developer In Training The text says "and is developing 4 new communities in Cleveland OH, Houston TX, and Frisco TX." I took that to mean that Stoneleigh is developing four total among those three cities. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 21, 20204 yr Author Stoneleigh started construction today, or is about to start. Got some construction vehicles on site. Saw it right before I crossed the Hope Memorial Bridge and hit a VERY bad bump on the east end of the bridge. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 21, 20204 yr 15 hours ago, KJP said: Stoneleigh started construction today, or is about to start. Got some construction vehicles on site. Saw it right before I crossed the Hope Memorial Bridge and hit a VERY bad bump on the east end of the bridge. I was out exploring yesterday and noticed the equipment and trucks! very exciting! I did not realize how much construction is happening in that area! its amazing
November 21, 20204 yr Author Construction equipment on site for clearing, site prep of the Stoneleigh apartments project "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 9, 20204 yr Author A couple more pics... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 13, 20214 yr CLE dot com coverage of Stoneleigh’s Waterford Bluffs Construction begins on five-story, 240-unit apartment building near Cleveland’s West Side Market Updated 5:27 PM; Today 4:05 PM https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2021/01/construction-begins-on-five-story-240-unit-apartment-building-near-clevelands-west-side-market.html CLEVELAND, Ohio — Construction is underway for a $65 million apartment building near the West Side Market that will add 241 apartments to the city of Cleveland. Workers with Marous Brothers Construction broke ground last month for Waterford Bluffs, a building that will sit on a 75-foot high bluff at the western end of the Hope Memorial Bridge at Lorain Avenue and West 20th Street in the Duck Island area of Cleveland, according to a news release sent Wednesday by Stoneleigh Cos. The suburban Chicago-based developer aims to finish the building by late next year. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
January 13, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said: CLE dot com coverage of Stoneleigh’s Waterford Bluffs Construction begins on five-story, 240-unit apartment building near Cleveland’s West Side Market Updated 5:27 PM; Today 4:05 PM https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2021/01/construction-begins-on-five-story-240-unit-apartment-building-near-clevelands-west-side-market.html CLEVELAND, Ohio — Construction is underway for a $65 million apartment building near the West Side Market that will add 241 apartments to the city of Cleveland. Workers with Marous Brothers Construction broke ground last month for Waterford Bluffs, a building that will sit on a 75-foot high bluff at the western end of the Hope Memorial Bridge at Lorain Avenue and West 20th Street in the Duck Island area of Cleveland, according to a news release sent Wednesday by Stoneleigh Cos. The suburban Chicago-based developer aims to finish the building by late next year. I didn’t see any ground floor retail and if so, that would be the only bad news with this project. Besides that, magnificent news!
January 14, 20214 yr 39 minutes ago, ragarcia said: I didn’t see any ground floor retail and if so, that would be the only bad news with this project. Besides that, magnificent news! There is no retail. The original proposal had far fewer windows on the wall along Lorain at ground level. So at least it has many more windows now. The below post (both linked and quoted) had images of the previous proposal. I had trouble viewing the images, but I did finally get one to link at the bottom of this post. There is a post at the very top of the previous page of this thread with more renders of the final design. On 5/27/2020 at 9:00 PM, gg707 said: Some preliminary renderings and plans for the Stoneleigh project at Lorain and W. 20th. I wasn't able to get all of the floor plans, but it is similar to the Quarter in that a lot of the first floor is actually wrapped parking, with some additional underground parking accessible from W. 20th. There is no retail, unfortunately, and the Lorain frontage is a mixture of lobby space, which looked attractive, and parking. The units are a mix of one bedroom and studios, with a good number of balconies. The stated timeline was groundbreaking within 2020 and completion in 2022. Original proposal: Edited January 14, 20214 yr by Boomerang_Brian typo; added old render image When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
January 14, 20214 yr I'm happy with this overall. It's a very large project seeing it now that they have started digging and is going to really improve that intersection.
January 15, 20214 yr up right to the street, great open corner that you can easily cut across walking, i appreciate those, and bright, open entry area. all the most important urban bonafides. nice win.
January 15, 20214 yr Does anyone have any idea what is going to be build along West 20th between Abbey and Smith Ct? Lots of bulldozers on that spot and a HUGE pile of dirt right now.
January 15, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, mack34 said: Does anyone have any idea what is going to be build along West 20th between Abbey and Smith Ct? Lots of bulldozers on that spot and a HUGE pile of dirt right now. That seems to be where they are dumping all the dirt from the Stoneleigh project site prep. Wasn't there a proposal for that lot a year or two ago? Anyone have an update on the plans after they get all that dirt removed?
January 15, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Hootenany said: That seems to be where they are dumping all the dirt from the Stoneleigh project site prep. Wasn't there a proposal for that lot a year or two ago? Anyone have an update on the plans after they get all that dirt removed? I have absolutely no idea how old these plans are or if the project is active but: https://www.maisondesign.co/smith-20 "New Condominiums at Smith Court in Cleveland, Ohio"
January 15, 20214 yr I agree, those are attractive. Are those on the narrow lot bordering Smith Ct., rather than the large open lot bounded by Abbey, Smith Ct, W 19, and W 20?
January 15, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, gg707 said: I agree, those are attractive. Are those on the narrow lot bordering Smith Ct., rather than the large open lot bounded by Abbey, Smith Ct, W 19, and W 20? Your guess is as good as mine. Based on other Maison renderings, the surroundings and street design isn't always accurate to the context, so it's hard to try and say.
January 16, 20214 yr 21 hours ago, tykaps said: I have absolutely no idea how old these plans are There's some hidden timestamps in the content of the page that seem to indicate it was last updated 10/23/2019
January 17, 20214 yr Duck Island News. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/luxury-apartments-being-built-at-the-foot-of-hope-memorial-bridge
January 17, 20214 yr On 1/15/2021 at 3:15 PM, tykaps said: I have absolutely no idea how old these plans are or if the project is active but: https://www.maisondesign.co/smith-20 "New Condominiums at Smith Court in Cleveland, Ohio" towards the bottom of the Maison page it has an Auburn Ave address, looks like the parking lot across from Lava Lounge. Edited January 17, 20214 yr by w28th
January 17, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, w28th said: towards the bottom of the Maison page it has an Auburn Ave address, looks like the parking lot across from Lava Lounge. The 1101 Auburn Ave address is just where Maison's office is located. Not related to the project.
January 18, 20214 yr You're right, my mistake. I can say with a fair amount of certainty, however, that the Smith & W20th project isn't happening in that form.
March 9, 20214 yr Waterford Bluffs Apartments - 2020 Lorain Avenue (Sun. 3-7-21) West Nineteen Townhomes West 19th Street Bradford Avenue And some miscellaneous completed projects
June 7, 20214 yr I was doing some research on the WATERFORD BLUFFS APARTMENTS recently and I ran across this Crains Cleveland article from March 2021. It included some interesting background on their financial stack for the project and WHY they didn't need to raise any outside money: The largest single investment in this year's successful state tax credit applications came from a Florida-based family trust, which put $38.7 million into Waterford Bluffs... The $60 million-plus project will involve only $15 million in debt, said Rick Cavenaugh, president of Illinois-based developer Stoneleigh Companies. And the only reason Stoneleigh is taking out a loan is to lay the groundwork for bonus depreciation on the real estate. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/opportunity-zone-investors-ohio-leave-10-million-state-tax-credits-unclaimed https://waterfordbluffs.com/ Edited June 8, 20214 yr by Larry1962 More details and web links.
June 8, 20214 yr Great shots @Agreene! One frustration with the city and construction crews- they've been using the bridge and sidewalk as their parking when they have an entire lot/staging area to park in. It's totally unnecessary and flies in the face of bike/ped/handicap access (I had to tell at a guy to get his truck off the handicap ramp/sidewalk cut as a cop just shrugged). Broad take, but when we have construction projects pedestrians/handicapped/bikes need a seat at the table so that sidewalks don't randomly end and kick people out in the road, access isn't blocked, etc. /rant
July 15, 20213 yr Author WEDNESDAY, JULY 14, 2021 Line between Tremont and Ohio City blurs with more investment The Near West Design Review Committee, part of Cleveland's City Planning Commission, gave conditional approval today of a 15-unit townhome project in Tremont's Duck Island enclave. Called W20th & Smith, the high-end development would replace five modest, late-19th century homes that were purchased in recent years by developer Matt Berges. Located just south of Lorain Avenue along and east and West 20th Street, the new townhomes will list for sale starting in the low $500,000 range, said Berges in an e-mail interview. He added that each townhome will have two-car garages, various size interior spaces and "we are expecting a skyline view from the rooftop balconies." MORE https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/07/line-between-tremont-and-ohio-city.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 26, 20213 yr Quote RTA board OK’s contract with developer for apartment building near West 25th Street Rapid stop By Eric Heisig, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio — The Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority Board of Trustees on Tuesday approved a contract with a development company that aims to build apartment, offices and stores on 1.3 acres off Columbus Road near the West 25th Street Red Line Rapid station. The contract calls for a subsidiary of MRN Ltd. of Cleveland to create and submit plans for the agency-owned land, which is slated to have about 125 apartments and 50,000 square feet of retail and office space. The thumbs up means the project slated for the Duck Island enclave on the edge the Tremont neighborhood continues to inch forward.
October 27, 20213 yr While any TOD is great and should be applauded in this city, I can’t help but get frustrated at how many mature trees (and therefore canopy) we’ll be losing. Considering we have thousands of grass filled empty lots in this city, frustrating.
October 27, 20213 yr Author There is no development plan. So how do we know if we're going to be losing any mature trees or all of them? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 27, 20213 yr Let's not be silly, here. The lot in discussion is entirely wooded. There's no way to develop it without losing at least some of the trees. We can debate the "mature" part, as most of them are not particularly large, and probably aren't native, but they have been around for a little while, at least.
October 27, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Clefan14 said: Considering we have thousands of grass filled empty lots in this city, frustrating. .... Edited October 27, 20213 yr by Clefan98
October 27, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Clefan14 said: While any TOD is great and should be applauded in this city, I can’t help but get frustrated at how many mature trees (and therefore canopy) we’ll be losing. Considering we have thousands of grass filled empty lots in this city, frustrating. If the TOD development works out as intended you can't help but wonder how much CO2 can be sequestered vs the trees that are there. Additionally more people closer to where they work should reduce VMT as well. As @lockdog pointed out, [quality] trees should be planted on these vacant lots (WRLC and other orgs are going this route FWIW).
October 27, 20213 yr The contract lists the available site as 1.78 acres. It requires a minimum of 50k commercial plus 125k residential, 175k s.f. not including any parking. 1.78 acres is roughly 78k square feet, so it would already require more than 2 stories if built to the edge on all sides, not including any parking. I suppose they could excavate up to the sidewalk on Columbus and put parking underneath but it's still going to be very tight. Contract also calls for modifications/improvements to the station, but it does not mention the parcels on which the glass structure sits nor the bus drive-lane. I'm very curious to see what they come up with.
October 27, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, GISguy said: If the TOD development works out as intended you can't help but wonder how much CO2 can be sequestered vs the trees that are there. Additionally more people closer to where they work should reduce VMT as well. As @lockdog pointed out, [quality] trees should be planted on these vacant lots (WRLC and other orgs are going this route FWIW). Of course, any CO2 impact means the tenants USE the rapid. Great access to the airport, public square, Little Italy, and the southern part of Case's campus. With the lack of rapid lines, the number of destinations without having to then jump on a shuttle/trolley/bus is limited.
October 27, 20213 yr 8 minutes ago, Pugu said: Of course, any CO2 impact means the tenants USE the rapid. Great access to the airport, public square, Little Italy, and the southern part of Case's campus. With the lack of rapid lines, the number of destinations without having to then jump on a shuttle/trolley/bus is limited. Totally. I'm always surprised how many people I see in downtown leaving parking garages in the mornings. Like, you live downtown and then drive to your job. Wild. Maybe WFH can help remediate some of the sprawl but I have my doubts. Maybe a discussion for another thread.
October 27, 20213 yr 10 minutes ago, GISguy said: Totally. I'm always surprised how many people I see in downtown leaving parking garages in the mornings. Like, you live downtown and then drive to your job. Wild. Maybe WFH can help remediate some of the sprawl but I have my doubts. Maybe a discussion for another thread. I did this for 5+ years and there are lots of good reasons why it can make sense. It made sense for my wife and I to live downtown because she worked downtown and was able to walk while I would commute every day to my job in the suburbs. This enabled us to have a single vehicle while she still had the flexibility to commute to and from work on her schedule. Living downtown was also a preference for us and it's something we were willing to pay a small premium for (even though I don't think we did at the end of the day).
October 27, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, X said: Let's not be silly, here. The lot in discussion is entirely wooded. There's no way to develop it without losing at least some of the trees. We can debate the "mature" part, as most of them are not particularly large, and probably aren't native, but they have been around for a little while, at least. Obviously two things can be true at once. Just because we need more trees doesn't mean we shouldn't be cutting some down. In comparison to the tens of thousands of trees that need to be planted throughout the county, this lot is nothing. In our climate, any empty lot that isn't sufficiently maintained will eventually end up with trees. So saying you don't want to cut down trees on vacant lots is pretty self defeating if you want to have a city.
October 27, 20213 yr 7 minutes ago, X said: Didn't say that. My comment was poorly worded. I know you're not saying that, but others on the thread were implying it.
November 4, 20213 yr I wasn't able to grab a picture, but there was some boring equipment out on the large vacant lot between Smith Ct. and Abbey Ave.
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