^ my goodness. dare i say it, but here it looks ungeneric and actual clevelandy. at least from those angles. you would think it was always there, which is very cool to keep the local vibes going.

40 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

^ my goodness. dare i say it, but here it looks ungeneric and actual clevelandy. at least from those angles. you would think it was always there, which is very cool to keep the local vibes going.

It’s actually maybe the most generic one when you see it irl, but I will say the narrowness of Abbey gives it some heft. 

I'm digging the signage

Those Faux Porches are effing terrible

9 hours ago, ogibbigo said:

Those Faux Porches are effing terrible

I despise the “Juliet” balcony. It’s hideous.

Funny that they included Juliet balconies here but on Bridgeworks it’s off limits.


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I'd love to have a juliet balcony, but I love fully opening all windows and turning off AC any chance I get. A friend of mine has one and it gives a really nice indoor/outdoor feel on a nice day in a small apartment that an ordinary window can't.

7 minutes ago, metrocity said:

I'd love to have a juliet balcony, but I love fully opening all windows and turning off AC any chance I get. A friend of mine has one and it gives a really nice indoor/outdoor feel on a nice day in a small apartment that an ordinary window can't.

Now imagine if you could take a step outside of those wasted double doors.

15 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Now imagine if you could take a step outside of those wasted double doors.

A real balcony is definitely a plus, but given the choice I'd rather have a juilet balcony than just regular windows. Windows that just tilt out are the worst IMO. I live on the the 28th floor of a high rise and am lucky to have Chicago style windows where the side ones open fully. I love it and my neighbors that actually have balconys are rarely on them. 

 

Real balconys also cause a headache. People throwing lit cigs off them, furniture and plants flying off in a big storm. I've seen my neighbors windows get smashed by flying furniture. People are dumb, and a juliet balcony is a good compromise for a landlord/ real estate developer that doesn't want to deal with it in a transient rental building.

I’m sure they’re better than windows, but they look like s**t. Like prison bars.

I’m sure they’re better than windows, but they look like s**t. Like prison bars.

You don’t have to have the same materials as this to have a Juliet balcony. Look at the Welleon for example.


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11 hours ago, metrocity said:

A real balcony is definitely a plus, but given the choice I'd rather have a juilet balcony than just regular windows. Windows that just tilt out are the worst IMO. I live on the the 28th floor of a high rise and am lucky to have Chicago style windows where the side ones open fully. I love it and my neighbors that actually have balconys are rarely on them. 

 

Real balconys also cause a headache. People throwing lit cigs off them, furniture and plants flying off in a big storm. I've seen my neighbors windows get smashed by flying furniture. People are dumb, and a juliet balcony is a good compromise for a landlord/ real estate developer that doesn't want to deal with it in a transient rental building.

 

Its inhumane to expect that renters don't need outdoor space / healthy access to fresh air. A tilted window here or there, like you said, doesn't cut it. Juliet Balconies should at least be the minimum standard. 

2 hours ago, ASP1984 said:

Its inhumane to expect that renters don't need outdoor space / healthy access to fresh air

 

Isn't that what parks are for? This isn't a high rise, it should only take a minute or so to get outside. And this area will be getting a LOT more "outdoor space" pretty soon

9 minutes ago, sonisharri said:

 

Isn't that what parks are for? This isn't a high rise, it should only take a minute or so to get outside. And this area will be getting a LOT more "outdoor space" pretty soon

 

No. I don't think that's good enough in a city where 6% of city-owned land is dedicated to parks vs. the nationwide average of 15%. This is about enhancing quality of life within one's space.

 

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The only purpose I've ever seen for a Juliet balcony is for hanging a window box of two to provide some greenery. It's really just a big window.

1 hour ago, ASP1984 said:

 

No. I don't think that's good enough in a city where 6% of city-owned land is dedicated to parks vs. the nationwide average of 15%. This is about enhancing quality of life within one's space.

 

 

I see someone also read through the Irishtown Bend presentation materials from the other day 😉

An interesting article about the small Cooper Flats apartment building mentioned above on Wiley Ave and some info Berges himself and how Duck Island's been developed the last 10+ years. A few snippets:

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/tremont-and-duck-island-apartment-projects-move-forward

 

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Builder's perseverance will bring new apartments to Tremont and Duck Island

STAN BULLARD

The first phase of the Cooper Flats apartments would occupy what's been until recently a  vegetation-filled site. The ground was cleared to allow surveyors and other consultants access to the site for its planning stage.

 

For five years, Matt Berges, the owner of Berges Home Performance LLC of Cleveland, called up The Flats Industrial Railroad to buy what he calls “some slivers of land” jutting from the railroad near Willey Avenue between Train Avenue and Columbus Road.

...

Patience and perseverance such as that are key to how this urban homebuilder operates. Berges also is pushing to get started by this winter or early spring on Cooper Flats. One of the trio of parcels he bought from Flats Industrial Railroad will allow the first phase of the project to increase 17 apartments to 21.

...

Berges and Bo Knez, the owner of Knez Homes of Concord Township, who also builds in the city of Cleveland, have formed a joint venture to develop parcels they own on the north side of Willey together.

 

“For years, I’d say to Bo, ‘Sell me that land by the railroad.’ He’d say, ‘You sell it to me,’“ Berges said. Finally, the two have decided to cooperate on building one project that combines both their holdings, which could accommodate more than 150 units. In a phone interview, Knez said it was a case of both men wanting to develop the land. “Doing it together just makes for a better use of the land,” Knez said, “and a better project.” Two of the parcels that Berges bought from the Flats Industrial Railroad will also aid the development of the project on Willey’s north side.

 

It's hard to imagine that building fitting in the cleared spaces.

Wiley seems way more steep than that too…but I’m sure they know what grades they’re dealing with 🤷🏻‍♂️

Hopefully they bust out the ruler and level before building 150 units

16 minutes ago, bumsquare said:

Hopefully they bust out the ruler and level before building 150 units

Nah, knowing these guys they’ll just get the equipment out there and wing it…

26 minutes ago, w28th said:

Nah, knowing these guys they’ll just get the equipment out there and wing it…

 

Nice I appreciate a "can do?" attitude. 

The Abbey Townhomes & Flats (10-24-23)

Anyone know what is happening at the old Duck Island Club space? I had heard that the folks behind Luxe were renovating but haven't heard any new news in over a year. Someone has clearly been putting money into the building but it is odd that there hasn't been any buzz about a new business in the neighborhood...

Two buildings in the Carter Road Homes development (11 and 12) were at CPC today for various approvals. This is a pretty interesting project just because of how challenging the lots will be there.  Once all of the lots are built out I think these can really help strengthen the connection between the new developments on Scranton Peninsula and Columbus/Duck Island/OC. Hopefully we get the sidewalk along the southside of Carter. 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, NorthShore647 said:

Two buildings in the Carter Road Homes development (11 and 12) were at CPC today for various approvals. This is a pretty interesting project just because of how challenging the lots will be there.  Once all of the lots are built out I think these can really help strengthen the connection between the new developments on Scranton Peninsula and Columbus/Duck Island/OC. Hopefully we get the sidewalk along the southside of Carter. 

 

 

 

 

Wow didn’t think I’d see this project again honestly, very cool they’ve still kept with the original designs 

11 and 12 were approved by the Planning Commission for schematic!  Love this development.

Sounds like they’ve actually been working through geotechnical issues with the homes being on the hill side for the past two years.

 

Glad they figured it out these will be awesome and wow after hearing the details these will all be A++ homes with tons of detail. Hopefully architectural digest or hgtv or something along those line will be able to show us the inside when it’s done 
 

The clients of the 12th lot is calling the home a bone yard as they want to die in their home and live there forever

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38 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

Two buildings in the Carter Road Homes development (11 and 12) were at CPC today for various approvals. This is a pretty interesting project just because of how challenging the lots will be there.  Once all of the lots are built out I think these can really help strengthen the connection between the new developments on Scranton Peninsula and Columbus/Duck Island/OC. Hopefully we get the sidewalk along the southside of Carter. 

 

 

 

 

This location is one of my favorites in the city. The skyline reflects almost perfectly off the river from here.

 

Pre SHW:

Individually I like them, but I wish the base of the hill would have stayed undeveloped.  The neighborhood really wanted those escarpments to stay as a green band around the neighborhood, and I agree.

I can imagine these homes going for a pretty penny with that view plus being right next to Irishtown Bend park. Great to see this finally beginning to be developed! I run by here on that trail often and this little stretch always seemed so sad and overgrown

15 minutes ago, X said:

Individually I like them, but I wish the base of the hill would have stayed undeveloped.  The neighborhood really wanted those escarpments to stay as a green band around the neighborhood, and I agree.

Irishtown Bend Park will be more than enough for the neighborhood. We need people living wherever we can put them.  This will help seamlessly tie in OHC via Duck Island to all the new development on Scranton. Great gap fill. 

I am growing very jealous/excited of what this area is becoming. Almost like a hidden treasure neighborhood but surrounded by so much.


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37 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Irishtown Bend Park will be more than enough for the neighborhood. We need people living wherever we can put them.  This will help seamlessly tie in OHC via Duck Island to all the new development on Scranton. Great gap fill. 

Yes, I forgot about Cleveland's notorious shortage of vacant land.

I don't know that area very well, but are there publicly accessible places on the hillside where kids can go sled-riding in the winter?

2 hours ago, TMart said:

I don't know that area very well, but are there publicly accessible places on the hillside where kids can go sled-riding in the winter?

 

If you're asking about the area around Carter, nope. 

 

Here's what it currently looks like https://maps.app.goo.gl/ctKbSqHs4JFdSqTE6

 

Irishtown Bend area is behind (an extensive!) fence currently but man am I jonesing for a big storm to get some sledding in hah. 

 

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switched out google link to better view

3 hours ago, X said:

Individually I like them, but I wish the base of the hill would have stayed undeveloped.  The neighborhood really wanted those escarpments to stay as a green band around the neighborhood, and I agree.

 

Are they getting rid of the trees along the riverside? The hill itself looks like it's packed with really invasive Japanese knotweed and climbing vines. Perhaps the hill area going up to the buildings above could get some stewardship to make it a native, more healthy ecosystem. That would attract a lot more cool wildlife and birds. I can't really tell what the plans are from the pix.

2 hours ago, coneflower said:

 

Are they getting rid of the trees along the riverside? The hill itself looks like it's packed with really invasive Japanese knotweed and climbing vines. Perhaps the hill area going up to the buildings above could get some stewardship to make it a native, more healthy ecosystem. That would attract a lot more cool wildlife and birds. I can't really tell what the plans are from the pix.

 

Not that I know of, but the riverside is also pretty well covered by knotweed.  It'd be great to see the hillside redone with native trees, but I don't think it's in the cards.

I walk/run this section of the towpath multiple times a week and agree it's a neat stretch with some fantastic views. My only complaint is where the towpath crosses Carter there. It really needs some additional safety features. The sharp curve makes it difficult to see oncoming traffic and vice versa. Plus cars fly down that stretch. I've needed to stop short a handful of times because somebody was blowing by and didn't see me. Blinking lights notifying traffic of the cross walk and some speed bumps would be great. At a minimum I wish they'd keep the foliage under better control to improve visibaility a bit. It feels like it's only a matter of time before somebody is hit.

 

 

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These look great. They fit well into that site and are a nice example of modern architecture IMO.

 

Flats luxury finally coming home
By Ken Prendergast / February 5, 2024

 

It’s the type of housing development that could not be achieved in Cleveland’s Flats until now. And the proof of that statement rests with the multiple prior attempts at developing this site. While there’s still a ways to go, a big step forward was made on Friday when City Planning Commission’s Design Review Committee approved the construction of luxury housing and a retaining wall along Carter Road.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2024/02/05/flats-luxury-finally-coming-home/

I've gotten some flack for this in my neighborhood group text but idc - I think these are exceptional. And, whether we like it or not, having luxury properties can be beneficial to the sustainability of a neighborhood/area. It's a green flag to investors and also is an indication that people are visibly invested in the neighborhood. The Flats (east from 25th and North of Franklin Road hill) will be DRAMATICALLY different - for the better - in a couple of years. 

Love the uniqueness of each unit too. No cookie cutter going on, definitely adds some nice variety

6 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

I've gotten some flack for this in my neighborhood group text but idc - I think these are exceptional. And, whether we like it or not, having luxury properties can be beneficial to the sustainability of a neighborhood/area. It's a green flag to investors and also is an indication that people are visibly invested in the neighborhood. The Flats (east from 25th and North of Franklin Road hill) will be DRAMATICALLY different - for the better - in a couple of years. 

What’s their beef with them? feels like super high end is the only solution here given the constraints 

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5 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

I've gotten some flack for this in my neighborhood group text but idc - I think these are exceptional. And, whether we like it or not, having luxury properties can be beneficial to the sustainability of a neighborhood/area. It's a green flag to investors and also is an indication that people are visibly invested in the neighborhood. The Flats (east from 25th and North of Franklin Road hill) will be DRAMATICALLY different - for the better - in a couple of years. 

I guess you really cannot classify your neighbors as NIMBYS since you are so far away from this project.  What seems to be the problem?  Anti luxury homes no matter where they are?

8 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

I've gotten some flack for this in my neighborhood group text but idc - I think these are exceptional. And, whether we like it or not, having luxury properties can be beneficial to the sustainability of a neighborhood/area. It's a green flag to investors and also is an indication that people are visibly invested in the neighborhood. The Flats (east from 25th and North of Franklin Road hill) will be DRAMATICALLY different - for the better - in a couple of years. 

Doesn't your neighborhood have a bunch of pricey Robert Maschke houses?  Are they a detriment to your neighbors?

These developments seem nice, I just hope every effort is made to preserve the trees which are not directly in the building path. Might be a good opportunity for the new forestry department to flex their muscles. It would be a shame if this hill became barren or nearly treeless. The documents given to planning commission show the trees as preserved, I just hope reality doesn't deviate from that.

1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

I've gotten some flack for this in my neighborhood group text but idc - I think these are exceptional. And, whether we like it or not, having luxury properties can be beneficial to the sustainability of a neighborhood/area. It's a green flag to investors and also is an indication that people are visibly invested in the neighborhood. The Flats (east from 25th and North of Franklin Road hill) will be DRAMATICALLY different - for the better - in a couple of years. 

I usually see these luxury builds and think "I wouldn't buy that at that cost". I see these and think I'd pay WHATEVER they want for these.

2 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

What’s their beef with them? feels like super high end is the only solution here given the constraints 

 

2 hours ago, Htsguy said:

I guess you really cannot classify your neighbors as NIMBYS since you are so far away from this project.  What seems to be the problem?  Anti luxury homes no matter where they are?

 

2 hours ago, Dougal said:

Doesn't your neighborhood have a bunch of pricey Robert Maschke houses?  Are they a detriment to your neighbors?

 

1 hour ago, downtownjoe said:

I usually see these luxury builds and think "I wouldn't buy that at that cost". I see these and think I'd pay WHATEVER they want for these.

 

Yes - I know I'm one of the few conservatives on here so I'll gladly call it what it is - reactionary, virtue signaling BS. Not to mention the fact that one of them lives in a beautiful home on a double lot and put up a privacy fence "because the neighbors are a little rough" and drives a $120,000 car... 

 

The biggest issue is that "usable land is going to the 1% when it could be used as an addition to the park or bikeway" (that's a copy and paste of one of the texts I got). In short, when the hillside was overgrown with shrubs, and thatch, it was a beautiful value add to the community. When well off people want to move there, it's a blight.