Im not sure they had a single arched one, for this bridge (there are two bridges being proposed, one is further upriver)...the mulitple arched one on the renderings necro posted looks a bit goofy

>The river really does drive the urban form of Louisville to a great extent...

 

Not denying that at all, and in fact Louisville's layout is quite complex and haphazard outside of the downtown area, obviously this is a relic of various early land owners.  Also Kentucky does not have townships or the township grid and suburban Louiville is not organized especially neatly around radial roads to nearby towns.  It's also home to probably the shortest interstate highway tunnel in the country, only about 400ft. long.   

 

>When the river reaches Louisville it is near the western end or low part of the arch, entering into glacial outwash plain and lake features, which is why the land around Louisville is so flat.

 

There is that line of hills south of the airport, and a pretty substantial climb north of Elizabethtown.  Whatever this plateau is forms the watershed between the Ohio and the Cumberland River, you descend another fairly substantial hill right around the Kentucky-Tennessee line on I-65. 

 

Using the measure tool on Google Earth the width of the Ohio just below the dam is 1,700ft. but incredibly 5,000ft. across including the island that forms the navigation channel.  I forgot about Madison, I have gotten off 71 and driven to Carrollton for the heck of it, but followed US 42 when I saw the sign.  The street that continues along the river at that point looks like a side street, it didn't look like it eventually leads to a bridge and a town at least as big as Carrollton.   

It's also home to probably the shortest interstate highway tunnel in the country, only about 400ft. long.

 

How long is the Lytle Tunnel? (just curious)

Here is the Louisville tunnel on I-64.  It's about 3 miles from downtown Louisville, I drove through it once, I don't think there is any ventilation although it appears to have been bored.  It's at the crest of a fairly shallow grade. 

 

 

The measure tool says this tunnel is more or less exactly 400ft., the southbound Lytle tunnel is 750ft. and the northbound is about 825ft.   

 

It's almost like those tunnels along the Pasadena Freeway in Los Angeles (high arc; no ventilation, etc).

Crazy.  I didn't know about these tunnels, no the I-64 tunnel isn't quite as short as these however these weren't purpose-built for the interstate system. 

 

True, but I thought we were just talking freeways in general.

 

downtown louisville's river front will be flooded with so much construction over the next 10 years, it wll be mind boggling.

 

well for sure the amount of renderings is getting boggling.

 

shovels in the ground will be quite another story.

 

 

It's also home to probably the shortest interstate highway tunnel in the country, only about 400ft. long.

 

...yeah, Cochran Hill Tunnel, opened in 1970. 

 

This was done to appease park preservationists who opposed the routing of I-64 through Cherokee Park.  The alignement is fairly unobstrusive through the park, so the preservantionsts did have some say, apparently, with KDOT.  The tunnel is indeed bored, and averages 424 length.  It cost $1.2M in then-year dollars.

 

There is that line of hills south of the airport, and a pretty substantial climb north of Elizabethtown.  Whatever this plateau is forms the watershed between the Ohio and the Cumberland River, you descend another fairly substantial hill right around the Kentucky-Tennessee line on I-65. 

 

I've been to Nashville once, through it a few more times, I do recall that descent into the Nashville basin, between the Tennessee line and Goodlettsville, I think.

 

I am fairly familiar with that stretch of country south of Louisville to, say, Bowling Green and Barren River.  I used to live in those hills south of airport..these are the northern limit of the Knobs.  Much of that is now a forest preserve, the Jefferson Memorial Forest, one, Burnt Knob, is one of Louisvilles 'Olmstead Parks"...I spent a lot of time up in these hills hiking, packing, and camping...lot of it off-trail bushwacking.

 

some nice pix of the Knobs, as they merge into the lower Bluegrass region.....

 

 

 

Beyond the Knobs iis Muldraughs Hill itself.

 

Above Muldraughs Hill, the plateau area starting at around Elizabethtown, but really starting south of Mumfordville & the Green River running past Bowling Green and to the west is the Pennyrile (so called in Kentucky).  There is another escarpment even above that called (by geologists) the Dripping Springs Escarpment (locals call it "them thar hills")..this is also pretty visible to the west, or to your right if you are driving south on I-65, starting around Cave City and Horse Cave. 

 

This is all karst country, lots of sinks, springs, limestone caves, etc, etc, and on the escarpment hills you can find rockhouses...i've done some cave exploring in wild caves in that part of KY when I was younger.

 

Seems like my image of that part of KY is a line of blue hills always on the horizon...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the amazing things about Google Earth is being able to see where the large patches of contiguous forest exist in the eastern US, there are some exceptionally large areas in this area just south of Louisville, a roughly 10X15 mile area that is punctuated by farms and Ft. Knox but is thickly forested.  Anything larger than 5X5 miles is pretty rare outside the Appalachian region. 

 

downtown louisville's river front will be flooded with so much construction over the next 10 years, it wll be mind boggling.

 

well for sure the amount of renderings is getting boggling.

 

shovels in the ground will be quite another story.

 

 

 

the hateration from you is mind boggling as well....

Btw, are the buildings supposed to be that thin?

^^Could you fill me in again in case I have forgotten...but what exactly is Louisville going to use a new arena for??  From what I have heard an NBA team is out of the question...and the Cards already have the famous Freedom Hall.  I'm just not real sure what their would be for this arena to utilize on a regular basis (do not cite concerts).

I'm just not real sure what their would be for this arena to utilize on a regular basis (do not cite concerts).

Giant fleamarket and occasional antique roadshow.

The Shriner Circus.

The Kentucky Fried Chicken Bowl.

^^Could you fill me in again in case I have forgotten...but what exactly is Louisville going to use a new arena for?? 

 

yeah...country ole' louisville....they probably don't even know what an arena is..

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Who is the new arena for? U-of-L? An NBA team?

The University of Louisville Men’s and Women’s Basketball teams will be the primary tenants. Their needs are first and foremost in this process. It is doubtful that an NBA team would call this arena home, since most teams look for financial incentives to entice the team to relocate. However, we would not close the door on an NBA team as long as the University of Louisville had first choice on dates for the facility.

 

What type of new events might this new arena complex attract?

New major attractions could include NCAA first/second round basketball games, NCAA Regional games and even the SEC Tournament, both the Men’s and Women’s tournaments. Because of the NCAA “pod” system the University of Kentucky could play their NCAA Tournament games in the new arena, since it is not their home floor. Likewise, the Men’s SEC Basketball Tournament could be hosted there since it is not U-K’s home floor; saving the fans the drive to Nashville, Atlanta or Orlando to watch an SEC Tournament. The next SEC Men’s Tournament will be held in Nashville in Gaylord Arena in 2006. Gaylord Arena is not Vanderbilt’s home floor, but is in their home city. The arena complex will also likely attract NCAA Championship events in sports like wrestling or volleyball, family shows, conventions, concerts and possibly a minor league hockey team could decide to play in Freedom Hall – with new weekend dates opening up.

 

http://www.arenaauthority.com/faq.htm

One of the amazing things about Google Earth is being able to see where the large patches of contiguous forest exist in the eastern US, there are some exceptionally large areas in this area just south of Louisville, a roughly 10X15 mile area that is punctuated by farms and Ft. Knox but is thickly forested.  Anything larger than 5X5 miles is pretty rare outside the Appalachian region. 

 

Once you get into the Knobs, deeper into them, there are quite a few cultural similarities to Appalachia, too....hollows, ridges, jeep trails, four wheel drives, and the infamous  Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot

 

If you or anyone is familiar with the I-65 drive from Louisville to Lexington, I found this online...land cover map of a part of the "Interior Low Plateaus"....(Cincy shows up here too)

 

 

And a close up of the area between Louisville and Nashville, with some key features that I was talking about labled.  For woodland preserves, Mammoth Cave, Bernheim Forest and the Jefferson Memorial Forest (and Fort Knox) are the most extensive.

 

 

The places I know well are the Jefferson Memorial Forest and Bernheim Forest. Knox, though really busy during the Cold War for manouvers as the topography matched the German/Czech border somewhat, also worked as a giant wildlife preserve, and had an annual deer hunt.

 

Heres a good ariel of the Jefferson Memorial Forest, my home country (I-65 to the right).  People lived in the lower valleys and hollows, but the upper parts, the deep hollows and hogback ridges and high flats was all preserved....

 

 

And some maps...the height was not super high, but the slopes where quite steep and the place a real maze of hollows, gaps, saddles, ridges, etc....so there was the illusion of being in deep hills (plus little pay-lakes and county lakes up in the hollows)

 

 

The countryside somewhat...(dont have real good pix of this place), and a geological cross section of an outrider knob...these outriders are a distinctive feature of this part of the Knobs, especially since they are sometimes sitting on a dead flat prehistoric lakebed

 

 

Further south is Bernheim Forest.  Probably more popular for its aboretuem (one of the last designs of the Olmstead firm), the forest goes way up in the hills.

 

 

again, I-65 is labled, to the left this time.

 

 

Some pix of the more wild areas of Bernheim..this fire tower was used fairly late, but its closed now.  I was up in the cab once, a few years ago.  The Jefferson Memorial Forest had one too...

 

 

 

For more on Bernheim, link here:  Bernheim Forest,...this place is really worth a side trip from Louisville, especially if one is interested in landscaping and flora.

 

I guess this digression is far afield from Museum Plaza, but this has revived an interest I've long had in the landscape down around Louisville...maybe some pix on this in the future?

 

For Ohio, there is a similar country to the east of here...out along OH 41, Bainbridge to Peebles and south...Fort Hill, Buzzards Roost Rock, the hills around Chillicothe, etc...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and the most famous product of the Kentucky Knobs:

 

(made across the road from Bernheim Forest)

 

...the tie in to MP is that that rebuilt Main Street entry feature that leads up to Museum Plaza will have a "microbrew" bourbon distillery.  I'd like to see how they store the barrells for ageing! (could be a cool design, if done right).

i dont drink, but that should be a cool attraction

 

downtown louisville's river front will be flooded with so much construction over the next 10 years, it wll be mind boggling.

 

well for sure the amount of renderings is getting boggling.

 

shovels in the ground will be quite another story.

 

 

 

the hateration from you is mind boggling as well....

 

heeello mister sensitive. why would you say something like that? doubts maybe? hmm. try skepticalration instead. show me the shovels.

 

show you the shovels on what? waterfront park is pretty much complete, minus the pedistrian walkway which is under construction, andc yes it is much bigger than "three blocks". And Museum Plaza construction is underway, wether you want to beleive it or not.

show you the shovels on what? waterfront park is pretty much complete, minus the pedistrian walkway which is under construction, andc yes it is much bigger than "three blocks". And Museum Plaza construction is underway, wether you want to beleive it or not.

 

shovels on what? you realize the footer on all your posts is cartoon and not reality don't you?

 

hey better hurry up with that financing before they build that jenga dream tower in russia first -- this is gazprom city in st. petersburg, does it look familiar?  :laugh: :

 

 

 

 

 

^This Louisville project would be big even by NYC standards, I will be driving through Louisville in about two weeks and thanks to this thread I will drive past this site and see if there are in fact signs of life. 

 

Also, don't forget this new dorm on the MIT campus, it was built from 2001-2002.  It's hard to tell from these photos, but it is situated on a narrow sliver of land between a freight railroad track and a street that parallels it.  In fact it's pretty difficult to understand its context and the way it appears from ground level, even with the aerial photo.  Personally I really liked the exterior of this building, it's much more successfull than anything built on the UC campus since McMicken Hall, and its site on a side street is well removed from the center of campus and it's not overbearing at all.  It peaks through gaps between buildings on nearby streets in a surprisingly friendly way and is not as cold and hostile as it might seem in these photos. 

 

Not so wild about the typical room:

yeah...country ole' louisville....they probably don't even know what an arena is..

 

I didn't even come close to insulting Louisville with my comment...I was simply asking a question that does not seem too far off base.  You keep throwing this damn arena in everyones faces...and I keep thinking to myself "what in the hell would Louisville do with a brand spanking new arena?!?!

 

So it appears that they do plan to vacate Freedom Hall and use this arena primarily for the Cards.  Well great as for the other options...wait in line!!!  Every other damn city across the nation always has the pipe dreams of conventions, concerts, tournaments, championships, etc when they build a new sports facility (I heard the same thing hear in Cincy...so don't take this as a Louisville jab).

 

All I am saying for this whole thread...is to at least be somewhat realistic.  You keep throwing down all these renderings as if plans never get filed away only to collect dust...GIVE ME A BREAK!!

Personally I really liked the exterior of this building, it's much more successfull than anything built on the UC campus since McMicken Hall, and its site on a side street is well removed from the center of campus and it's not overbearing at all. 

 

Please...save the drunk posts for another forum.  This is one of your most outrageous claims yet!

All I am saying for this whole thread...is to at least be somewhat realistic.  You keep throwing down all these renderings as if plans never get filed away only to collect dust...GIVE ME A BREAK!!

 

The arena is going to happen as the state has set aside money for it.  The phase III of the riverfront park is going to happen, too, pretty close to as designed (though they are going to modify the ramp up to the Big Four Bridge due to soil stability issues). I'd say of all these MP is probably the one that stands the greatest chance for signifigant modification.

 

 

 

 

show you the shovels on what? waterfront park is pretty much complete, minus the pedistrian walkway which is under construction, andc yes it is much bigger than "three blocks". And Museum Plaza construction is underway, wether you want to beleive it or not.

 

You are an endless source of RIDICULOUS.

 

Silence is #$%^ing golden.

>Please...save the drunk posts for another forum.  This is one of your most outrageous claims yet!

 

Look at the time of the post, it's 2pm, not am.  And btw MIT also has a much better Frank Gehry building than UC.  I am a bit disappointed that one of the world's top 5 universities has indulged in starchitecture, however MIT's campus is truly hideous due to its mediocre old buildings and location in the industrial eastern edge of Cambridge.     

 

 

 

An early example of postwar institutional starchitecture is Harvard's Carpenter Center, on the other end of the city.  This building was designed by Le Corbusier in 1963, its shape and the way people move through the building is very interesting and it works well.  Many of the features on these newer buildings can be seen in some form and often in a more low-key and successful manner on this building.   

 

 

Look at the way those thin columns work.  It's an amazingly well thought-out building which changes inventively from every angle like a contemporary David Smith or Louise Nevelson or Henry Moore sculpture but maintains its character and purpose.  So often I think Gehry is trying to achieve the same thing, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, and it's always as loud as a gong factory.   

show you the shovels on what? waterfront park is pretty much complete, minus the pedistrian walkway which is under construction, andc yes it is much bigger than "three blocks". And Museum Plaza construction is underway, wether you want to beleive it or not.

 

shovels on what? you realize the footer on all your posts is cartoon and not reality don't you?

 

 

 

well, the arena has been approved, and the fact that they are prepping buildings on main street for MP tells me that it is making positive progress...not negative, as you would want people to beleive. the developers said they have major announements in the next two months, and i have heard absolutley nothing from the state, the city, or REX that would make me beleive they are going to modify the design, or not go ahead with this building....so i have to wonder, who is being more unrealistic, me or you? or do you just like being a prick for the hell of it?

Well, I don't have a lot to add to the discussion on this whole issue, but I just wanted to address some of the comments I've read.

 

About the downtown Louisville arena:

 

The main tenant will be the University of Louisville men's and women's basketball programs. The arena was designed only after the NCAA sent representatives to Louisville to explain their expectations of the arena if Louisville wants to host their events. Louisville has already stated they would take all the NCAA recomendations and incorporate them into the design.

 

During the 60's and 70's Louisville was a favorite of the NCAA to host major events, such as the Sweet 16 et cetera. However, Freedom Hall, the current home for UofL and the city's largest arena, is now 50 years old. Louisville lost all those types of events decades ago. The arena was last renovated nearly 2 decades ago. It is past time for Louisville to have a new venue. Freedom Hall has been paid off for decades and is nothing but a cashcow for the Kentucky Fair and Expo Center. Freedom Hall currently is used hundreds of times a year by U of L, different conventions and trades shows, and concerts and family shows. Freedom Hall will still be used for the convention and trades shows (which is already a huge chunk of business)

 

Louisville has fewer concerts and family shows, per capita, than any other top 50 market in the US. This arena promises to finally bring in the many shows that have skipped Louisville due to the dated and dilapidated facilities. With the UofL games, family shows and concert, NCAA events which have been discussed, et cetera, the arena authority expects to have around 110 events during an average year.

 

To take advantage of the new arena, and to try and lure in new meetings, a 425 room hotel tower is being connected to the arena with the expectation of adding yet another amenety to the market will make the city more attractive to the convention industry.

 

In regards to Waterfront Park:

 

The park represents a seismic shift in the landscape of Louisville. It has become the posterchild of the downtown Louisville renaissance. The park is now completing phase three of the project which includes a pedway to Indana via an abandoned rail bridge. Work is already well underway. The park begins at the Louisville Belvedere and terminates at the new RiverPark Place development which has masterplan that includes 5 condo towers, as well as several other mid and low rise buildings. This project is already underway as well.

 

The park stretches nearly 2 miles along the waterfront from the Belvedere to RiverPark PLace, which will also add an esplande to their project to continue the park setting. Beyond RiverPark Place there are plans by the City of Louisville is create a recretion area with a soccer complex for regional events, as well as nature parks on the river.

 

As for Museum Plaza:

 

Whether the building is ugly or awesome, I leave that up to the viewer to decide. However, I do have to say that while we know of the general design of the building, the developers have been pretty mum about their detailed plans for the facade. In my opinion, how they construct the facade will be a huge piece of whether or not this building is attractive or less-than-hoped-for.

 

They developers have a real passion for Louisville and it's urban environment, and they have the city's best interest at heart. Apparently, they are very close to an agreements with a luxary hotel chain that is basically a larger version of the already completed 21C Boutique hotel only a block away from the complex. Whatever that means, we will have to wait until they announce. But also they are somewhat behind on leasing their 300k feet of office space.

 

Downtown Louisville currently has a Class A vacancy rate of less than 9%. That is a very good number, and because of this fact, many office buildings in downtown that are Class B are being renovated to Class A. Rent rates have been slowing creeping up for the past 2 years and the CBD has been outperforming the suburbs in absorbtion rates. While MP doesn't seem to have fallen into a huge tenest immediately, they also have several years to find tenests for the new space.

 

That is why MP can join the downtown mix and not blow it away. Vacancy rates are very low, and the building will only add 300K feet of new office space. It will add 400 new hotel rooms. It will add something like 100 new residences. It will not flood any one aspect of the market...and the Louisville CBD is performing better than it has in 50 years.

 

And about the cries of preservation on West Main Street

 

We're not so silly as to destry these awesome buildingson West Main only for a new tower. The buildings are beyolnd repair--in fact they're falling apart--last year bricks fell and nearly struck passersby. The facades will never be romoved, they're only being renewed. The rest of the building will be torn down and rebuilt--you'll never know the difference between a "new" building and a rehad/remodel. This will basically be nothing more than an extreme remodel of the building.

 

In the end, MP is not set in stone...all indicaters point to the fact that it will be built as currently proposed and by 2010...but nothing is for sure about this project.

 

The arena and Waterfront Park are basically set in stone, barring an all out depression.

I'd go out on a limb and will say MP will be built....without a doubt :) the only way i would have doubted MP is if Doward had been elected Mayor, because i don't think he would support anything proposed under Abramson. But since Jerry is back, i think all these projects will go through. i just think some have a problem grasping the fact that louisivlle will have the tallest towers on the Ohio river....if not the tallest, then definatly the boldest.

Look at the time of the post, it's 2pm, not am.

 

Thats what makes it even worse!!!

i just think some have a problem grasping the fact that louisivlle will have the tallest towers on the Ohio river....if not the tallest, then definatly the boldest.

 

I am not sure that anyone has ever competed for tallest/most dynamic tower on the Ohio River.  Who cares you are only competing with Cincinnati and Nky.  Cincinnati has strict bldg height regulations as well as concerns with the FAA over flight patterns with CVG.  Newport had their pipedream of building the Millenium Tower, but that was shot down by the FAA, as well as, unrealistic projections.

 

So should MP be built...then congrats to having the tallest along the Ohio River (yawn).

Hehehehehehe! JMeck sure knows how to get this place stirred up.

 

I really like MIT's Frank Gehry.

i just think some have a problem grasping the fact that louisivlle will have the tallest towers on the Ohio river....if not the tallest, then definatly the boldest.

 

I am not sure that anyone has ever competed for tallest/most dynamic tower on the Ohio River. 

 

 

 

you're right....the tallest battle is really taking place below the Ohio....i.e. Nashville, Atlanta, etc..

 

 

^You're right...the south is competing for the tallest in the south...but people don't compare the tallest in the south to the tallest in the midwest.  If you want to claim that this bldg will be tallest in the midwest or south or where ever you claim it to be then fine...but no one competes for the tallest in the Ohio River Valley!

Ugh, hight.

 

I am a bit disappointed that one of the world's top 5 universities has indulged in starchitecture, however MIT's campus is truly hideous due to its mediocre old buildings and location in the industrial eastern edge of Cambridge.          

 

jmeck- what exactly is it that disappoints you about the Gehry at MIT?  I agree its a bit cliche or faddish but the product is pretty solid.  I really don't see it as any different from any of MIT's other "celebrity" commissions, from Aalto in the 1940s, Saarinen in the 1950s, and Pei in the 1980s to Holl in the 1990s.  I actually dig MIT's campus and respect it for its unabashed embrace of contemporary design without a trace of the nostalgic gothic crap so many schools are sliding back into.  I would really like to see UC's campus for what I am presuming has been a similar philosophy.

Necromantical, for someone who doesn't live in kentucky you sure are passionate about this project...

Certainly the MIT and Harvard campuses are a study in contrasts and I have not seen the MIT building since it has been completed.  I last saw it in 2002 when it was a concrete skeleton and in fact I didn't even know it was a Gehry-designed building but took some photos of it because it was pretty interesting to look at.  Specifically I think Gehry has difficulty with how his buildings meet with their immediate surroundings, specifically elevation changes and where the property lines of the building's site begin and ends.  The amphitheater on this MIT building looks clumsy, for example, as does the area downhill from the Vontz Center in Cincinnati.  The Guggenheim Bilbao is much more elegant than those two but has a very long descent to the main entrance and I remember an extra sculptural piece near the suspension bridge disconnected from the rest of the building which probably looks great in telephoto photographs of the building but was strange while passing it on foot.  I am also worried about how these buildings are going to age, there are already weathering streaks on the Guggenheim and on the Vontz Center. 

 

The red arrow points to the non-functional piece I was complaining about:

 

Here is an overview of Bilbao, here you can see how the specific location of the Guggenheim is what makes it work so well.  The hills surrounding the city are perhaps 800ft. high (easily double the height of the hills surrounding Cincinnati or Pittsburgh, and much steeper) and actually have pastures and crops on the top which are visible from the valley.  I had always heard that this place was a dirty industrial city, but it seemed entirely the opposite to me.  This city has a fascinating layout, quality buildings, and a very human scale.   

 

There is no way that MP plopped down in Bilbao or any other second-tier city would do for that place what Gehry's building has done for Bilbao.  The Guggenheim is a success because both critics and ordinary people like it whereas MP is an affront to traditional tastes and will almost certainly gather mixed critical reviews.  If it's built, of course.   

I don't think I'll ever understand this building.  I remember seeing some closeup renderings, that I'd like to see posted here.  I just don't know where to find them.

I have some pix (not very good) of the building plans & sections that I thought I posted here and at SSP.  Or maybe it was just at SSP.

 

 

must be in one of the locked ones lol

good READ

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The Visionaries

Joshua Prince-Ramus and Erez Ella will transform Louisville's skyline with Museum Plaza. Their own transformations into architectural wunderkinds are as fascinating as their design.

By Joshua Hammann

 

When you exit the elevator on the 10th floor of 160 Varick St. in Manhattan, there are no great mahogany double doors with gold lettering announcing the presence of Ramus Ella Architects.  Step through the plain white doors, marked with just a tiny sign that reads "REX," and there is no pretty young secretary with a big desk and headset wrangling dozens of incoming calls. 

 

There's no one, actually, and you might find yourself standing there, feeling quite silly, waiting for someone to take pity and ask what you're looking for.  And when you finally are noticed, and ask where you can find Joshua Prince-Ramus, one of the firm's founding partners and a leading architectural voice of his generation, you are not whisked into a sprawling office with expansive views of the Hudson River. Because neither Prince-Ramus nor his partner Erez Ella even have offices.

 

They have almost 10,000 square feet of wide-open space, flush in the natural light that pours through a wall of tall windows.  They have long, low tables stacked with computers, pre-cut wood shapes and foam slabs.  They have 43 very cool, very busy-looking people on staff, pecking away at computers or slumped by the handful over models of tiny skyscrapers.

 

FULL ARTICLE: http://www.velocityweekly.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061129/VELOCITY01/611290355/1065

must be in one of the locked ones lol

 

no doubt,and I'm not going to waste my time reposting them here.

 

Interesting article on the REX parnters.  I'm curious what else they have on the boards.

 

 

err crazy dead guy don't you think the title of that article should be, 'what say let's talk about architecture instead of financing and development.' lol! key quote: "....a city that is usually obsessing over theoretical arenas and bridges." um hmmm.

 

better hurry up and knock down a few more 1800's buildings to get that up -- the russian rendering is breathing down jenga's back!  :laugh:

the developers are brown and foreman....they shouldn't have any probmels with financing. nothing says there will be a problem with financing in the future either. the city, state and developers are backing this project.

 

i thaught it was a good article myself.

You guys just don't get it; it's not ugly, it's "challenging".

the developers are brown and foreman....they shouldn't have any probmels with financing. nothing says there will be a problem with financing in the future either. the city, state and developers are backing this project.

 

i thaught it was a good article myself.

 

yes, nothing in that article says anything about financing - lol!

 

 

The article was never meant to be an article about the financial mechanics of the building...it was in the alternative newspaper for god's sake!

 

The article was about the artistic "whatevers'' of the building and it's main backers and the architectual firm. When an article about the firm financing becomes public knowldge, I'm sure it'll be posted.