December 1, 200618 yr but we already know how its going to be financed. thats not really an issue, there is no reason to beleive it is going to be a negative in the future either.....but Mrnyc sems to want it the other way around lol....but just FYI, here is the funding info ------------------------------------- Funding and construction Construction on Museum Plaza is expected to start in early 2007 and be completed in 2010, Greenberg said. A park and pedestrian plaza, also paid for by the city and state, would connect Museum Plaza to the rear of the museums along West Main, including the Frazier Historical Arms Museum, the Louisville Science Center and the Kentucky Museum of Art and Craft. The government would issue $75 million in bonds for the improvements, with the annual debt to be covered by rebating 80 percent of the new state and local taxes generated by Museum Plaza, Greenberg said. FULL ARTICLE: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060209/NEWS01/602090386/0/FEATURES ----------------- and i don't know about you, but i think the fact that they are razing buildings on location, says that this project is moving along smoothly.
December 2, 200618 yr lol! gotta admire your constant 24/7 monitoring of this thread, i just posted that. btw that article has a "rendering" for financing, but i am sure you will let us know immediately when the money paddlewheeler pulls in for real.
December 2, 200618 yr i monitor it no more than you ... Well seeing as how you are constantly combatting people on this thread, and your stats show an overwhelming favoritism to this thread....it not too far of a stretch by mrnyc. mrnyc is active in many other topics/threads on UO, and is not taking on the role of a one man promoter.
December 5, 200618 yr moving alonh Museum Plaza enlists international art adviser New type of space interests Dercon A new international member for Louisville's Museum Plaza planning team arrived in town yesterday for a first round of introductions to the art and business communities. Chris Dercon, 48, is artistic director of Hause der Kunst in Munich, which Adolf Hitler built from 1933 to '37 as a space for the cultural propaganda of his nationalist art program and a way to demonstrate the unacceptability of "degenerate," or what was then contemporary, art. Today, Hause is a contemporary art center. Dercon is noted for his experience in transforming older museums into vibrant community centers of art, said Steve Wilson, a Museum Plaza partner who made the rounds yesterday with the new adviser. Dercon flew in from Munich via Brazil and leaves today for Miami before heading on to Houston -- all stops related to his work as a curator, critic and lecturer. His presence in Louisville underscores the increasingly global position of the $465 million riverfront project that is scheduled to break ground early next year. Dercon said yesterday that the project interests him as a radically new type of exhibition space but that his connection to the project is stll "in flux." FULL ARTICLE: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061205/NEWS01/612050339
December 5, 200618 yr His presence in Louisville underscores the increasingly global position of the $465 million riverfront project that is scheduled to break ground early next year. huh....I thought that it broke ground yesterday?!?!?!?!
December 5, 200618 yr i think i posted that same thing in an article a few posts ago...why didn't you jump on that too? see: Funding and construction
December 5, 200618 yr well if thats the case...why haven't you change the thread title....its clearly misleading/an outright lie!
December 5, 200618 yr i think i said it was getting ready to break ground...as in leading up too.....i think this is one of the biggest stage on the path to ground breaking in 2007.
December 6, 200618 yr Louisville's Museum Plaza plan expands, cost grows By Marcus Green The Courier-Journal Museum Plaza, the skyline-altering complex proposed for downtown's western edge, will be larger than previously planned and cost an extra $85 million by the time it opens in 2010. It also will radically change traffic along the city's waterfront, extending River Road and closing part of Seventh Street. Museum Plaza's developers today will release those and other details about the $465 million, 62-story skyscraper that will include a public plaza connected to the Muhammad Ali Center. After 21 months of planning, the project's investors say they are prepared to move forward with construction by next summer. The complex will be anchored by a 246-room Westin hotel, the first business in the trio of buildings near Seventh between River Road and Main Street in the heart of the city's museum district. An elevated 140,000-square-foot public park, accessible by car and foot from Main Street, will connect to the plaza and include a circular drop-off to Museum Plaza and the Ali Center. FULL ARTICLE: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...WS01/612060527
December 6, 200618 yr Hotel: Westin. Height: 62 story, 703 ft.. Additional Cost: $85M. Total Cost: $465M Start Construction: Few Months.
December 6, 200618 yr The number of studio lofts dropped to 117, from 150, to give the University of Louisville's Master of Fine Arts program more room. The arts program will cover 36,500 square feet over four floors, including a glass shop. Can anyone tell me why UofL has a program going in here and taking what is likely very expensive space? I am not overly familiar with Louisville, but I believe this is nowhere near campus correct?
December 6, 200618 yr uofl has campuses all over kentucky. this would be a graduate program only in MP
December 11, 200618 yr they really have nothing to do with each other...so i don't see the point of even comparing them.
December 11, 200618 yr the ren cen looks like it has about 6 individuals buildings...museum plaza is one single tower....but then again i don't know much about it, and don't really give a shit either.
December 11, 200618 yr Most of the Ren Cen buildings are interconnected. They're all large scale buildings that are heavily criticized for being out of context. They both look isolationist. That's enough reason to compare them. But atleast the Ren Cen has a people mover to connect it to other parts of downtown.
December 11, 200618 yr no, museum plaza is in more than walking distance from the other skyscrapers. and it is connected directly to main street, and the ali center and the other museums around that area. again, you are another example of someone that knows nothing about downtown louisville or this site. you need to educate yourself before speaking.
December 11, 200618 yr this site is not isoloted....its in no way similiar to the ren cen site.....except that its on the riverfront http://www.dexigner.com/forum/index.php?s=22266392c3ef29ac2a214dbf339c38d3&act=Attach&type=post&id=3035
December 11, 200618 yr new article....EDUCATE YOURSELF! =-============ Museum Plaza adviser brings world of experience in contemporary art Belgian-born Chris Dercon, 48, lives in Munich. He has a reputation as a daring museum director and successful curator. He speaks French, German, Dutch, English, Italian and Portuguese -- all in the same steady stream of energy. And he visited Louisville last week to be officially introduced as the newest high-profile member of the Museum Plaza planning team. Dercon is unnervingly emphatic that Louisville is not unlike Rotterdam, Netherlands, where he once lived. "The point is, you can't say anymore we are just Louisville, we are just Rotterdam. … Open your eyes. I will try to show you everything is connected to everything else. Who said that? Lenin. Even if Lenin said it, it's true. We can't let just businessmen connect ourselves. … Everything is global." Dercon did clarify the previous week's confusion that he might be the first director of the proposed Museum Plaza's contemporary arts center on the western edge of downtown Louisville. Dercon said, no, he's just an adviser, a consultant, and it is "too fast" to be talking about any kind of structured role for him with the Museum Plaza planning team even though he has been given a title: director of museum development. In fact, he said, if anyone asks him what he does for a living, "I say I work in a museum. That's all." Full article: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061210/COLUMNISTS14/612100319
December 11, 200618 yr new article...EDUCATE YOURSELF!! -- ---------------------- Museum Plaza signs union agreement Officials with Museum Plaza, the 62-story skyscraper proposed for downtown Louisville’s western edge, have reached a union agreement for construction expected to start next year. Steve Wilson, Laura Lee Brown, Steve Poe and Craig Greenberg entered into an agreement of cooperation with the Greater Louisville Building & Construction Trades Council, according to a press release issued Monday. “We are thrilled to enter into an agreement with such a precedent-setting project such as Museum Plaza.” said Joe Wise, business manager of the Greater Louisville Building & Construction Trades Council. “This agreement is mutually advantageous and allows for a strong working relationship between ourselves and Museum Plaza. We look forward to working on this project as Louisville embraces its first skyscraper of this magnitude.” Museum Plaza is a $465 million project that will include a public plaza connected to the Muhammad Ali Center and is expected to be completed by 2010. http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061211/NEWS01/61211019
December 12, 200618 yr they really have nothing to do with each other...so i don't see the point of even comparing them. The reason the two are compared with one another is because their purposes/uses are strikingly similar... -both projects are large scale mixed-use projects (hotel, retail, office, etc). -They both are behemoth projects that leads one to question the demand for such a project (whether its debatable or not). -The two projects are also viewed as rejuvinating projects for otherwise stagnant downtowns (just opened a can of worms there). -Both are out of context with their downtowns RenCen (location)....MP (scale)
December 12, 200618 yr <necromaticals line of thinking> ^UncleRando, you are a young, ignorant idiot. Educate yourself before posting. Louisville is the greatest city on the Ohio River and is doing EVERYTHING right. There is ABSOLUTELY NO room for debate, so shut your freaking mouth. </necromatical's line of thinking>
December 12, 200618 yr they really have nothing to do with each other...so i don't see the point of even comparing them. The reason the two are compared with one another is because their purposes/uses are strikingly similar... -both projects are large scale mixed-use projects (hotel, retail, office, etc). -They both are behemoth projects that leads one to question the demand for such a project (whether its debatable or not). -The two projects are also viewed as rejuvinating projects for otherwise stagnant downtowns (just opened a can of worms there). -Both are out of context with their downtowns RenCen (location)....MP (scale) last time i checked, the ren cen has nothing to do with any masters program or any university, and is not connected directly to several popular museums. and one would have to be blind to see that the ren cen is huge compared to museum plaza which is going to be built on a peice of land that not even half of the ren cen could fit on.....again, stop comparing apples and oranges. And again i say, educate yourself before opening your mouth.....sorry, but that remains true for several of you. its a flat out STUPID comparison. stagnent downtown?...yes, obviously you know nothing about downtown louisville. lets see....4th street live...walking distance from MP....the new downtown arena, walking distance from mp....the Ali Center...walking distance from MP(connected directly to MP)....a new ohio river bridge... ------------------------from SCC "Current construction costs in downtown: 447 million dollars. Basically half a billion. Not bad I would say. This number does not include Museum Plaza or the arena or RiverPark PLace or any other projects that have been "announced". Now, if you factor in those projects, plus the other smaller projects that have not yet started: 1.250 Billion dollars in investment planned So, combine those two numbers together, and basically there is 1.7 billion dollars in investment taking place right now or announced in the CBD. This doesn't even take into account the investments planned at the Medical Center by Norton Heathcare, the new VA Hospital which is planned for downtown, a mystery development at the old Water Company block, or several housing and loft developments along East Main that are barely not considered the Central Business District. So, in my estimation, it is a safe to say that downtown is closing in on 2 billion dollars in investment... Downtown Louisville's brightest days really are ahead of us." ------------------------ so if thats your definition of a stagnant downtown, i'd hate to see what your definition of an active one is.... oh, and in case you haven't opened your eyes and checked yet, the museum plaza designed has been revised...even though its not a lot, it is different than the original rendering. The number of studio lofts dropped to 117, from 150, to give the University of Louisville's Master of Fine Arts program more room. The arts program will cover 36,500 square feet over four floors, including a glass shop. The hotel will have about 50 fewer rooms, but it will include a ballroom, fitness center, spa, restaurant and a bar. Guests will check in at a public "island" on the 25th through 27th floors. http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061206/NEWS01/612060527
December 12, 200618 yr Museum Plaza partners, unions sign agreement Prevailing wages are part of pact By Sheldon S. Shafer The Courier-Journal The partners in Museum Plaza, the ambitious $465 million, multiuse skyscraper planned at River Road and Seventh Street, have reached an agreement with local labor unions on the project's construction. The Museum Plaza partners -- husband and wife investment team Steve Wilson and Laura Lee Brown, attorney Craig Greenberg and developer Steve Poe, head of Poe Cos. -- have signed an "agreement of cooperation" with the Greater Louisville Building & Construction Trades Council. Museum Plaza plans call for a 62-story tower with a 246-room Westin hotel, 99 luxury condominiums, a museum, parking, a large public plaza, office and retailing adjacent to the Muhammad Ali Center. It would be, by far, Kentucky's tallest building. Full article: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061212/BUSINESS/612120319
December 12, 200618 yr Any reason you posted the same article twice? clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 12, 200618 yr last time i checked, the ren cen has nothing to do with any masters program or any university, and is not connected directly to several popular museums. Yeah, 36,000 sq. feet totally changes the whole scope of this building... :roll: and one would have to be blind to see that the ren cen is huge compared to museum plaza which is going to be built on a peice of land that not even half of the ren cen could fit on.....again, stop comparing apples and oranges. And again i say, educate yourself before opening your mouth.....sorry, but that remains true for several of you. But wait...isn't Detroit BIGGER than Louisville? The Ren Cen to Detroit = the MP to Louisville? its a flat out STUPID comparison. What would you compare it to?
December 12, 200618 yr Of course Detroit is bigger than Louisville..i think i already said i've been there on several ocassions. museum plaza will serve a purpose to the city of louisville that the ren center does not serve to detroit. and thats education and art.....how does the ren cen have anything to do with education and art? i wouldn't compare musuem plaza to anything.....especially not the ren center.
December 12, 200618 yr oh and ren cen=5.5 million square .....MP=1.2.....like i said, stop comparing, it makes no sense.
December 12, 200618 yr stagnent downtown?...yes, obviously you know nothing about downtown louisville. lets see....4th street live...walking distance from MP....the new downtown arena, walking distance from mp....the Ali Center...walking distance from MP(connected directly to MP)....a new ohio river bridge... Yes...4th street live but: MP is not built yet...nor is the arena. And to say that a new bridge makes your downtown non-stagnant is absolutely rediculous!!!!! Be honest with yourself, yes Louisville has some projects going...and some are quite large, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Louisville, as well as, almost all midwestern cities being quite during the construction boom years of housing, that have passed. Once again, I LOVE CINCINNATI, but just because it built 2 new stadiums, a new museum, expanded the convention center, built a new tower, renovated FS, and renovated the last major vacant bldg downtown...does not mean that downtown is on solid ground. The city has a long way to go before I claim it to be bustling or non-stagnant for that matter.
December 12, 200618 yr >last time i checked, the ren cen has nothing to do with any masters program or any university, and is not connected directly to several popular museums. What exactly do you know about contemporary art? What makes you think that this will really put Louisville on the international, or even just national contemporary art scene? The only cities that are the site of serious contemporary art scenes (many artists and many dealers) are New York, LA, and Chicago, and I can tell you that the scenes in LA and Chicago are relatively microscopic as compared to New York. The fall-off after Chicago is precipitous, there is some serious art dealing in Las Vegas and Miami but not much is created there relatively speaking. Do you realize what a tall order it is to expect that major figures in art criticism and journalism are going to start visiting Museum Plaza even once a year? MP is competing with dozens of similar museums opening annually around the entire world. MFA programs are a dime a dozen, there are probably over 100 art MFA programs in the United States. If they are able to recruit even one star faculty, they might gain a reputation, otherwise they are just another one of the 90 or so MFA programs with no-name professors (not a blanket rip on those people, just pointing out that reputation of MFA programs is directly paired with reputation of the faculty).
December 12, 200618 yr >last time i checked, the ren cen has nothing to do with any masters program or any university, and is not connected directly to several popular museums. What exactly do you know about contemporary art? What makes you think that this will really put Louisville on the international, or even just national contemporary art scene? it already has...if you havent noticed.....i'd swear you all dont read any of these articles i post see...Museum Plaza adviser brings world of experience in contemporary art
December 12, 200618 yr stagnent downtown?...yes, obviously you know nothing about downtown louisville. lets see....4th street live...walking distance from MP....the new downtown arena, walking distance from mp....the Ali Center...walking distance from MP(connected directly to MP)....a new ohio river bridge... Yes...4th street live but: MP is not built yet...nor is the arena. wow, you're like a genious aren't you...... MP is making significant strides towards contruction starting in the summer of 2007....thats less than 5 months away. the arena has been approved and will be complete the same year as MP.
December 12, 200618 yr "wow, you're like a genious aren't you......" The ice is already thin... don't push it. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 12, 200618 yr Yes, and your presence and participation on this forum are a privilege, not a right. Mocking an Admin buys you some time off. Enjoy. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 12, 200618 yr If anyone would like to continue discussing this topic, feel free. Please note that necromantical has been given a temporary suspension so there is no need to reference any of their inflammatory comments. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 12, 200618 yr Yes, and your presence and participation on this forum are a privilege, not a right. Mocking an Admin buys you some time off. Enjoy. so wait a minute, mocking and insulting the rest of us counted for nothing??? hbic indeed - lol! seriously tho, i hope they can get it together and build this thing. it would be...interesting.
December 13, 200618 yr In all honesty, I think this building looks like a Jenga game gone wrong. It does look terribly out of place.
December 13, 200618 yr i've said in the older threads, so why not here. While I echo many of the comments on this forum, my bottom line is that, sure, why the hell not louisville. I'm not going down there to see optimus jenga, but if I happen to be louisville, I'll certainly stop by.
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