June 30, 200618 yr from the June 28, 2006 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0628/p08s02-comv.html Eisenhower's 'autobahn' at 50 The Monitor's View On June 29, 1956, President Eisenhower signed a bill to build the Interstate Highway System - a dream of his since he crossed the US in 1919 and, later, after he saw Hitler's autobahn. Little did he know what 46,876 miles of expressways would do. Fifty years on, the nation is still taking stock of the impact of high-speed roads connecting big cities. The system was finished only last year with the completion of Boston's "Big Dig" project. Instead of taking 10 years and $50 billion to build as envisioned, the 62 routes took nearly a halfcentury to finish and, in today's dollars, cost $425 billion. More at link above:
June 30, 200618 yr Link to a good story on the 50th Anniversary from NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5521245
July 8, 200618 yr The Interstate Highway System: What Worked, What Did Not The Thoreau Institute July 5, 2006 June 29 marked fifty years since President Eisenhower signed the bill creating the Interstate Highway System, one of the most successful federal programs ever. Interstates opened up the country to the average family who could not afford plane or train fares; they enabled rapid, low-cost movement of freight; and they greatly increased highway safety. But they also took far longer to complete than originally projected and many of the routes, particularly in cities, were subject to acrimonious conflict. Here are just a few indicators of the success of the Interstate Highway System: Interstate highways make up less than 1.2 percent of the mileage of all roads in the U.S., yet they carry nearly half of all heavy truck traffic and nearly a quarter of all passenger traffic -- that's roughly a trillion passenger miles and more than half a trillion ton-miles of freight per year. More at: http://ti.org/vaupdate61.html
July 8, 200618 yr That has to be one of the worst pieces of shit I've ever read by those idiots. Sometimes I wonder why the hell I still live in this selfish, suicidal nation. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 8, 200618 yr I really liked that Thoreau Institute article, especially about the engineering bias and decentralized approach in the development of the interstate system. It seems things like engineering-heavy programs seem to be fairly sucessfull, like the TVA and the "man on the moon" phase of the space program. I thought this was sort of interesting as well: W Congress was debating the Federal-Aid Highway Act in 1955, engineers estimated they could build the entire system in twelve years for $23 billion. In fact, the system was not declared complete until thirty-five years later at a total cost of $129 billion. Even today, some short sections remained unfinished. After the system was more-or-less complete, the money kept pouring in. With no firm goal for the money, it might not be surprising that Congress turned highway funds into pork. This was probably a missed opportunity. A certain % of the gas tax should have been retained for insterstate operations, maintenance, and recapitalization, but the balance should have been redirected toward mass transit. Around the time the interestates where nearing completetion (early 70s) there was also the end of private mass transit, with public takeover of the last private transit companies. There was also the the start of the interest in mass rail transit, like light rail. The bulk of the gas tax should have been redirected towards revitalizing and expanding public transit, both the newly public systems and older public systems. Probably some formulaic approach could have been used, the similar to the way interstate funds where distributed.
July 8, 200618 yr I thought it was a wonderful work of fiction. How does owning a car cost less than buying bus or train tickets? How could they possibly say with a straight face that highways were not responsible for urban sprawl, when the range of travel with a fixed period of time (such as from home to work in 30 minutes) suddenly was expanded greatly by traveling at up to 60 mph on a highway vs. maybe 20 on city streets? And they suggest that it was big-city mayors who pushed through a provision at the last-minute in the 1956 legislation to have highways come into the cities? This is an outright lie and an attempt to rewrite of history. It was the highway lobby that quietly pushed through the provision unbeknownst to many big-city mayors and even to President Eisenhower himself. If the Thoreau Institute were writing this about a person instead of an object, I would say that this person either owed Thoreau money, the person had dirty pictures of Thoreau, or Thoreau simply is obsessively enamored with this person to the point of psychosis. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 9, 200618 yr This project is barely alive and kicking, but I might as well start a thread. From the 7/7/06 Hillsboro Times-Gazette: County receives support for U.S. 62 expansion by Gita Balakrishnan Staff Reporter The Highland County commissioners received a letter of support from the Adams County Board of Commissioners in a multi-coalition effort to turn U.S. Route 62 into a four-lane corridor linking Columbus to Lexington, Ky. Commissioner Russ Newman said the county has been working with the Ohio Department of Transportation (ODOT) for the last 10 years on the project, which he sees as a significant necessity to alleviate traffic from Columbus through Cincinnati for semi trucks on their way to Lexington. Unfortunately, Newman said ODOT took the stance that there was not enough traffic on U.S. Route 62 to warrant a traffic study, and the project was placed on the back burner. http://www.timesgazette.com/main.asp?SectionID=18&SubSectionID=175&ArticleID=139435&TM=59414.21
July 9, 200618 yr That link to US 71 is going to take about 1,000 miles to Kansas or Nebraska. :roll:
July 9, 200618 yr Aren't they already linked by I-75? It would be a total waste of billions to save maybe 15 mins of travel time. Heck i think it would be even slower, since you have to go up some pretty STEEP hills in KY.
July 9, 200618 yr Aren't they already linked by I-75? It would be a total waste of billions to save maybe 15 mins of travel time. Heck i think it would be even slower, since you have to go up some pretty STEEP hills in KY. Supposedly, you would get truck traffic out of Cincy and into Hillsboro and Washington CH (where it's needed :roll:)
July 9, 200618 yr I've been on I-75 between Cincy and Lexington when it has been 45 mph the whole way bumper to bumper. It is clogges with trucks even though it is 3 lanes each way most of the way. I-71/75 through NoKy is always crowded.
August 5, 200618 yr From the 8/3/06 Aurora Journal Press: Medians on U.S. 50? By Denise Freitag Burdette, Assistant News Editor 08/03/2006 Placing a median down areas of U.S. 50 between Greendale and Aurora may sound “counterintuitive” to solving congestion and safety problems. But medians were one of the options offered during a U.S. 50 Gateway Corridor Study workshop Wednesday, July 26, at Lawrenceburg High School. ... http://www.zwire.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=17009201&BRD=2075&PAG=461&dept_id=386538&rfi=8
September 24, 200618 yr From the 9/21/06 Aurora Journal-Press: Comment on proposed ways to improve U.S. 50 traffic Staff Report 09/21/2006 Dearborn County residents now have a chance to see proposed alternatives aimed at improving safety and traffic flow on U.S. 50. The alternatives will be presented and discussed during a public meeting from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. Tuesday, Sept. 26, in the Lawrenceburg High School auditorium, 100 Tiger Blvd. ... http://www.zwire.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=17228454&BRD=2075&PAG=461&dept_id=386538&rfi=8
October 12, 200618 yr From the 10/6/06 Aurora Journal Press: Few folks at meeting about U.S. 50 fixes By Denise Freitag Burdette, Assistant News Editor 10/06/2006 Some parts of U.S. 50 between Greendale and Dillsboro have more than 45,000 vehicles on the road in a day, yet only about 30 people, including consultants and county and municipal elected officials, attended a meeting to hear about possible solutions to traffic congestion along highway Tuesday, Sept. 26, at Lawrenceburg High School. Scott Roush, Strand Associates, Columbus, Ind., consultants hired by the Indiana Department of Transportation to conduct a study of the highway, made the presentation following up on the company’s U.S. 50 existing conditions report presented in April. ... http://www.zwire.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=17292910&BRD=2075&PAG=461&dept_id=386538&rfi=8
October 29, 200618 yr yeeeow: bonus: shanghai traffic on the bund: accident causes jam an info link: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.shanghaiist.com/attachments/shang_jeff/traffic-china.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.shanghaiist.com/archives/2005/07/20/shanghai_falls.php&h=300&w=217&sz=41&hl=en&start=10&tbnid=MGU7YXd6Ch91YM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=84&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dshanghai%2Btraffic%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
October 29, 200618 yr Glad to see they want to be like America. Maybe that's one trait not worth copying. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 31, 200618 yr ^ huh? you must not have watched the video. watch the video and you would not say that (athough i dk if we would want it either).
October 31, 200618 yr I was commenting on the vehicular traffic in the photos. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 31, 200618 yr ^ huh? you must not have watched the video. watch the video and you would not say that (athough i dk if we would want it either). All that sweats gotta go someplace. It's degrading the road surface!
November 7, 200618 yr Wow I was a pretty Naive poster back in March...hmm... Glad to see Atl came to their senses.
November 7, 200618 yr Wow I was a pretty Naive poster back in March...hmm... Glad to see Atl came to their senses. Well said!!! I remember getting quite upset over some of your posts back in the day (so to speak). I'm glad to see you are coming around :wink:
November 7, 200618 yr LAND-USE, LAND-USE, LAND-USE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do something about your little shacks half a mile from downtown that sit on huge plots of land next to another giant vacant lot! Buckhead is not the only neighborhood that exists!
November 7, 200618 yr LAND-USE, LAND-USE, LAND-USE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do something about your little shacks half a mile from downtown that sit on huge plots of land next to another giant vacant lot! Buckhead is not the only neighborhood that exists! Its the south honey! And darling...I can remember when Buckhead was the Projects.
November 7, 200618 yr ^Not on par with your "they're not waving; they're swatting flies" line, but solid nonetheless.
November 7, 200618 yr Pave it all and let God sort it out. That's what Columbus did. True, just replace "God" with "Les." Hmmm. GodLes?
November 22, 200618 yr Full article at: http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,druck-448747,00.html Excerpts: Controlled Chaos: European Cities Do Away with Traffic Signs Matthias Schulz, Spiegel Online Are streets without traffic signs conceivable? Seven cities and regions in Europe are giving it a try -- with good results. ~~ "We reject every form of legislation," the Russian aristocrat and "father of anarchism" Mikhail Bakunin once thundered. The czar banished him to Siberia. But now it seems his ideas are being rediscovered. European traffic planners are dreaming of streets free of rules and directives. They want drivers and pedestrians to interact in a free and humane way, as brethren -- by means of friendly gestures, nods of the head and eye contact, without the harassment of prohibitions, restrictions and warning signs. A project implemented by the European Union is currently seeing seven cities and regions clear-cutting their forest of traffic signs. Ejby, in Denmark, is participating in the experiment, as are Ipswich in England and the Belgian town of Ostende. ..."The many rules strip us of the most important thing: the ability to be considerate. We're losing our capacity for socially responsible behavior," says Dutch traffic guru Hans Monderman, one of the project's co-founders. "The greater the number of prescriptions, the more people's sense of personal responsibility dwindles." ...Drivers will force the accelerator down ruthlessly only in situations where everything has been fully regulated. Where the situation is unclear, they're forced to drive more carefully and cautiously. ...Now traffic is regulated by only two rules in Drachten: "Yield to the right" and "Get in someone's way and you'll be towed." Strange as it may seem, the number of accidents has declined dramatically. (16 Nov 2006)
November 22, 200618 yr I can see this working in European cities where many are already more human-scale and there are a lot of pedestrians. I could see it working in areas of US cities that have a lot of pedestrian traffic and transit, but would it work on, say, Morse Road in Columbus and areas like it where development is anything but human scale and there is virtually no pedestrian traffic? I don't know...
November 22, 200618 yr That's pretty wild! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 22, 200618 yr .. would it work on, say, Morse Road in Columbus and areas like it where development is anything but human scale and there is virtually no pedestrian traffic? I don't know... No it wouldn't but there are thousands of places I think it could work. Currently drivers feel they must go as fast as possible to make the next green light, and damn the pedestrian. I have noticed myself that I drive completely differently on an unmarked road, as opposed to a marked road. I would love to see this implemented in my neighborhood, it would be much safer for pedestrians.
November 22, 200618 yr The typical parking lot has lots of pedestrians and no traffic control. Everyone drives slowly, and accidents are rare.
November 22, 200618 yr Libertarian radio talk host Neil Bortz was talking about this on his national show two nights ago, the decisions of individuals free of government guidance and regulation is what attracted him to this idea. But what was funny (well not really) is that several callers cited the different character of European towns and cities as part of the reason why it could work there but not here, but nobody had observed and had the vocabulary to articulate precisely what they wished to say. One caller said "it works in Europe because they have roundabouts", but didn't elaborate beyond that. It brings up the larger issue that the average person has zero idea how to discuss cities, traffic, etc. in anything other than a very vague and emotionally charged way. People are searching for the quick catch phrase that they can repeat themselves instead of acknowledging that many things, especially the layout and development of urban areas and the action of vehicular traffic are infinitely complex matters. I am not a regular listener to Bortz's show, but he spends a tremendous amount of time complaining about general aviation regulations and has never spent a minute discussing mass transit. Neither has any radio show I've ever heard, including Dave Ramsey, who is always advises people to get cheap used cars but I've never heard anyone tell to just start riding the bus.
December 12, 200618 yr and the cable stayed bridge wins....i don't like this one ------------------------------------------------------- Bridge designs chosen The downtown cable-stayed design features three low-height towers and cables that are arranged in a simple harp formation. The support cables attach to the outside of the deck superstructure. The middle tower is slightly higher than the two on the outside. (Ohio River Bridges Project) Cable-stayed bridges with towers rising hundreds of feet into the air are the designs chosen for two new Ohio River bridges, a committee announced Tuesday. The 10-member design committee unanimously selected the bridge designs during a 30-minute meeting in Jeffersonville, Ind.
December 12, 200618 yr ^Although I prefered the second design, that was the best option out of the cable-stayed designs, certainly.
January 7, 200718 yr Although the public was asked to vote for its favorite designs, neither of their selections were chosen by the committee. One wonders why they ask for public input, if it was just going to be ignored...
January 7, 200718 yr See the following threads for more information about the Ohio River Bridges project, the Kennedy interchange reconstruction and 8664 -- 8664 Updates Tolls considered for Ohio River Bridges project Yarmuth wants quick action on Spaghetti Junction Designs chosen for Ohio River bridges in Louisville IMO, I would favour tolls on the eastern span if the hideous Interstate 64 viaduct is demolished. Tolling Interstate 265 without the removal of Interstate 64 west of Interstate 65 to Interstate 264 would not generate sufficient revenue from long-distance travelers.
January 7, 200718 yr Although the public was asked to vote for its favorite designs, neither of their selections were chosen by the committee. One wonders why they ask for public input, if it was just going to be ignored... Well now they can say they took public input into their final making process decision. It gives the powers at be a warm fuzzy feeling (much like the petty amounts given to social agencies.."see, we help the disadvantaged...look what we did!").
January 8, 200718 yr The Ohio River Bridges Project has always been a two bridge project.... No, the original plan was to built the East End bridge to connect the Gene Snyder with the interestate loop on the Indiana side. This was always controversian due to the NIMBYists at Harrods Creek not wanting an interstate crossing through their little area. The second bridge, doubling the Kennedy, came later, probably as the result of a comprehensive traffic study to justify the the East End bridge...when it was discovered that the urban freeway system needed two Ohio bridges, not one. MO, I would favour tolls on the eastern span if the hideous Interstate 64 viaduct is demolished. It sounds like you are familiar with that 8664 campaign. I am suprised to see the support or interest that is getting as it is so blue-sky/idealistic.
January 8, 200718 yr No, the original plan was to built the East End bridge to connect the Gene Snyder with the interestate loop on the Indiana side. This was always controversian due to the NIMBYists at Harrods Creek not wanting an interstate crossing through their little area. The second bridge, doubling the Kennedy, came later, probably as the result of a comprehensive traffic study to justify the the East End bridge...when it was discovered that the urban freeway system needed two Ohio bridges, not one. I have yet to see this citation. From the Record of Decision, from the Federal Highway Administration published in September 2003, the analysis, which included public comments along with engineering analysis, concluded that two spans be constructed. IDOT and KYTC, along with the FHWA, agreed that two spans and the Kennedy Interchange reconstruction would be the only solution to meet the transportation needs of the future. Perhaps you were thinking of earlier proposals from the 1970s to the 1990s that stated an East End Bridge-only solution? If so, the bridge was part of the completion of Interstate 265 that was later encompassed within the Ohio River Bridges Project in order to expedite funding and engineering studies. It sounds like you are familiar with that 8664 campaign. I am suprised to see the support or interest that is getting as it is so blue-sky/idealistic. Did you fail to read the corresponding posts with my reasoning? 1. Interstate 64 cannot be widened west of Interstate 64 to the Kennedy Interchange. It is currently four-lanes with a depressed grass median, however, it crosses through Cherokee Park and includes a fixed two-tunnel span. Widening would be cost prohibitive and would not be constructed due to environmental and residential concerns. 2. The Kennedy Interchange is out-dated and functionally, it expired in the 1970s. It contains left-exits and left-entrances and fails even the most basic MUTCD requirements. Geometric requirements and deteriorating bridge conditions require immediate correction. 3. Interstate 64's viaduct along the Ohio River adjacent to the downtown and Waterfront Park is ageing and will require significant work, including deck rehabilitation, barrier replacement, lighting upgrades, and pier stabilisation within the next 10 years. By demolishing the Interstate 64 viaduct and rerouting through traffic to Interstate 265's East End Span (and renaming the segment of Interstate 265 north of Interstate 64 to Interstate 64), you would remove most through traffic from downtown Louisville. Interstate 64, between Interstate 265 and downtown, would be more apt to handle rush-hour traffic without major congestion and with reasonable LOS (up to C). Currently, LOS levels are C-D during rush-hour and is unacceptable. Congestion west of downtown Louisville would also be mitigated. Interstate 265 north of Interstate 64 is a well-designed, uncongested highway. It contains high-speed interchanges at its western terminus and at Interstate 65; Interstate 64's interchange east of Louisville is a cloverleaf, however, it is slated for reconstruction into a high-speed interchange with flyovers. It is four-lanes in Kentucky and Indiana, but both states have provisions and plans for eventual six-lane widening. It would also be cheaper to widen, and be less risky, than Interstate 64 west of the Watterson Expressway. The removal of Interstate 64's viaduct would also free up room for Waterfront Park and allow unobstructed views of the Ohio River from the numerous condos and downtown properties.
January 8, 200718 yr Perhaps you were thinking of earlier proposals from the 1970s to the 1990s that stated an East End Bridge-only solution? Yes, that is what I was thinking of. You've got me sold. It's probably not that simple as this proposal will be removing a crosstown limited access highway which handles local traffic as well as through traffic. It would be highly unlikely a big through-expressway like I-64 would be removed...this would require a big change in thinking from KYDOT and the Feds. Yet, one of the benefits of this concept is that it would allow through traffic from I-71 that is heading westbound to cross the river via the east end bridge, and avoid downtown.
January 10, 200718 yr 8664 updates Frankfort Emails -- Your response to our last email was overwhelming. Over 700 emails were sent to Frankfort in support of 8664. If the media won't give this issue full coverage, then we will use other means to communicate. Thank you for taking the time to show your support. It is having an impact. Congressman John Yarmuth -- During a debate with Anne Northup, he said that the Bridges Project was the community's "No. 1 priority." Since then, the price tag has soared to $3.9 Billion and he's expressed concern about funding and the importance of fixing Spaghetti Junction. Most recently - and most importantly - he said, "If someone could prove to me that it ["8664"] would work, I would champion it." Since this statement, we've informed him that we have hired a traffic consultant and are ready to move forward with our analysis of 8664. We asked for his help to gain access to the necessary traffic model data, so we can prove once and for all that 8664 will address our transportation needs and cost less than the current project. We will keep you posted on our progress. East End Bridge Opposition -- The strategy since 1994 has been to make downtown the priority so that the east end bridge never happens. Will their strategy work? If you hear people or news outlets saying ... "If we build the east end bridge, Kentucky will lose 11,000 jobs, $343 million in salaries and $26 million/year in tax revenue to Indiana." "The only way to fix the traffic and safety problems at Spaghetti Junction is to build a new interchange tied into a new downtown bridge." "The downtown project will create 20,000 new jobs." ... know that a certain conservation group has been circulating these speaking points in their effort to stop the east end bridge. "Fix It First" -- Spaghetti Junction is poorly designed. The westbound merger of I-64 and I-71 and the southbound single lane exit from the Kennedy Bridge are major bottlenecks that need to be fixed. Instead of fixing these issues, the Bridges Project proposes to completely rebuild and triple the size of Spaghetti Junction. They are clearly trying to solve the wrong problem. Now that Frankfort is back in session, we will probably send emails with a little greater frequency. Thanks for keeping the faith and for helping us get this done. Peace, Tyler Allen and JC Stites www.8664.org 8664 Mission -- To advocate for the revitalization of Louisville through the removal of Interstate 64 along the riverfront and the adoption of a transportation plan that will provide long-term benefits to the region's citizens, neighborhoods, environment and economy.
January 14, 200718 yr http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070114/NEWS01/701140480/1008/NEWS01 SLC: This only agrees with my points outlined in previous 8664 threads, such as, http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/browse_frm/thread/ab05db9d7569f182/b1a7014ad89f6540?lnk=gst&q=8664&rnum=1#b1a7014ad89f6540 and above. Kentucky structures on the "Final List of Nationally and Exceptionally Significant Features of the Federal Interstate Highway System" is the Cochran Hill Tunnel (1970), the Interstate 64 rest-areas (1960), and the welcome center for Interstate 24 at Paducah. Also of related news, the 8664 is picking up steam as it has received support of intent by a senator! Traffic studies are now being conducted for the feasibility of 8664, and given that Interstate 64 cannot be widened between Interstate 65 and 264, it only legitimises their goal. -- Tunnel could stop wider I-64 Cochran Hill gets federal protection By Martha Elson [email protected] The Courier-Journal Any effort to widen Interstate 64 between the Watterson Expressway and downtown would meet with a formidable new roadblock. The Cochran Hill Tunnel, which carries I-64 traffic through Cherokee Park, has been named an "exceptionally significant" feature of the interstate system by the Federal Highway Administration, meaning it would be protected under federal historic preservation guidelines. Highway planners would have to show that there's no "feasible or prudent alternative" to widening I-64, said David Waldner, director of the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet's division of environmental analysis.
March 31, 200718 yr From the 1/19/07 Aurora Journal Press: Business owners talk with planners about U.S. 50 By Denise Freitag Burdette, Assistant News Editor 01/19/2007 Concerns about preliminary plans to improve access along the U.S. 50 corridor from Front Street in Lawrenceburg to the Interstate 275 interchange in Greendale resulted in a special meeting between businesses and Ohio Kentucky Indiana Regional Council of Governments’ representatives Tuesday, Jan. 9. OKI has hired M•E Companies, Westerville, Ohio, Westerville, Ohio, for Dearborn County, to conduct a gateway study of U.S. 50, focusing on planning and land use concepts along the corridor. A second study is being conducted through Indiana Department of Transportation to explore possible solutions for the areas most impacted by the congested traffic. ... http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17731977&BRD=2075&PAG=461&dept_id=386538&rfi=6
March 31, 200718 yr From the 3/9/07 Dearborn County Register: U.S. 50 report: too many driveways By Denise Freitag Burdette, Assistant News Editor 03/09/2007 “U.S. 50 is plagued with access problems such as poorly located and/or closely spaced driveways and intersections.” But the final report for the U.S. 50 Gateway Study presented to Dearborn County commissioners Tuesday night, March 6, offers possible solutions for the traffic congested road. ... http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18060422&BRD=2076&PAG=461&dept_id=384100&rfi=6
March 31, 200718 yr From the 3/22/07 Aurora Journal-Press: New U.S. 50 bridge close to state OK By Erika Schmidt Russell, News Editor 03/22/2007 By all indications, construction of a new bridge over Tanners Creek in Lawrenceburg should be under way next year. Lawrenceburg officials are awaiting word from the Indiana Department of Transportation on a contract to build the bridge, said City Manager Tom Steidel. The $25 million bridge is on a state projects list set to be bid in the next 18 months. ... http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18112533&BRD=2075&PAG=461&dept_id=386538&rfi=6
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