Back in the day, decades before MRN branded it, University Circle and its environs were also called Uptown -- complementing Downtown and Midtown.

Downtown ----> Midtown ----> UPTOWN GIRL!!!

 

*sorry*

Awkwardly, midtown ends around 78th street on Euclid, with uptown starting at the aforementioned Starbucks. The middle being a hospital district within University circle... And then there is a forgotten strip between 86th and 78th streets that clearly isn't Hough or fairfax.

 

Maybe that's why there is an abandoned Vietnamese restaurant there that won't go away, and no one knows what ccf is doing with the Cleveland playhouse.

I tend the put the Clinic in Fairfax, although many consider it University Circle.  I do not.

Technically it's Fairfax but those are just lines on a map at the end of the day.

Meant to post this sooner...oops. This is the back portion when viewed from the parking lot of John Hay High School.

20170921_151107 by dwainross34, on Flickr

Awkwardly, midtown ends around 78th street on Euclid, with uptown starting at the aforementioned Starbucks. The middle being a hospital district within University circle... And then there is a forgotten strip between 86th and 78th streets that clearly isn't Hough or fairfax.

 

The eastern end of Midtown is 105 St. The western border of University Circle is E. 105. Cleveland Clinic is NOT in University Circle---it is next to it. Regarding "Hough" and "Fairfax", the Clinic is in both. Euclid Ave is generally the border with the northside of Euclid going north being Hough and the area to the south being Fairfax.  The Clinic likes to associate itself with "Fairfax" perhaps because "Hough" has such a loaded history, whereas "Fairfax" doesn't carry the weight that Hough does for most people.

Awkwardly, midtown ends around 78th street on Euclid, with uptown starting at the aforementioned Starbucks. The middle being a hospital district within University circle... And then there is a forgotten strip between 86th and 78th streets that clearly isn't Hough or fairfax.

 

The eastern end of Midtown is 105 St. The western border of University Circle is E. 105. Cleveland Clinic is NOT in University Circle---it is next to it. Regarding "Hough" and "Fairfax", the Clinic is in both. Euclid Ave is generally the border with the northside of Euclid going north being Hough and the area to the south being Fairfax.  The Clinic likes to associate itself with "Fairfax" perhaps because "Hough" has such a loaded history, whereas "Fairfax" doesn't carry the weight that Hough does for most people.

 

Pugu actually I agree with your premise that Euclid is the northern border of Fairfax/southern border of Hough and, of course, and the Clinic extends north of this to Chester.  Somewhere recently, however, I saw a map denoting the border as Chester, not Euclid -- which wouldn't make sense because these 2 old neighborhoods were well established (in the 1800s) before the 'Chester Extension' was built in the 1940s.  So that bolsters your premise that, perhaps, the Clinic extended the border northward to avoid the Hough association...

 

Oh well, enough on this... back on topic.

http://levin.urban.csuohio.edu/nodis/maps/SPAs/Fairfax_Streets.pdf

 

http://levin.urban.csuohio.edu/nodis/maps/SPAs/Hough_Streets.pdf

 

http://levin.urban.csuohio.edu/nodis/maps/SPAs/University_Streets.pdf

Any chance of this getting back to talking about the project and not neighborhood boundaries?  :-o

 

Seems like there is enough debate that the subject warrants it's own thread?

Both http://www.midtowncleveland.org/area-map-directions.aspx and http://www.healthtechcorridor.com/about-htc/great-neighborhoods/ define the eastern border of Midtown as E. 79th.  But it would make sense to extend it to 105th to have a contiguous Downtown-Midtown-Uptown delineation, or at least 86th and throw the Clinic in there as a chunk of it's own.

Meant to post this sooner...oops. This is the back portion when viewed from the parking lot of John Hay High School.

20170921_151107 by dwainross34, on Flickr

 

That's a great structure. It's large enough to be a showstopper even in the faster growing DC suburbs.

Pugu actually I agree with your premise that Euclid is the northern border of Fairfax/southern border of Hough and' date=' of course, and the Clinic extends north of this to Chester.  Somewhere recently, however, I saw a map denoting the border as Chester, not Euclid -- which wouldn't make sense because these 2 old neighborhoods were well established (in the 1800s) before the 'Chester Extension' was built in the 1940s.  So that bolsters your premise that, perhaps, the Clinic extended the border northward to avoid the Hough association...[/quote']

 

It could well be the Cleveland Clinic trying to change the boundary or float/commission intentionally-wrong maps to bolster their position. I think I saw such a map as well and remember thinking that it was just plain wrong. But now, with the Clinic's 'marketing' as part of the discussion, it makes sense why it was wrong.....

 

Both http://www.midtowncleveland.org/area-map-directions.aspx and http://www.healthtechcorridor.com/about-htc/great-neighborhoods/ define the eastern border of Midtown as E. 79th.

 

Midtown ends at 105. The first link you gave is to an organization who apparently doesn't do anything past E 79 St., so they call it the "boundary".  The second isn't relevant here at all---if it is, then the city isn't Downtown-Midtown-Univ Circle, rather its Downtown-Campus District--then Midtown---then Fairfax with incorrect borders--then Univ Circle.--those are neighborhoods; we're talking sections of the city. Downtown, for example, has many neighborhoods like Playhouse Sq, Gateway, Warehouse District, etc. But its all Downtown, generally until you hit the innerbelt.

 

 

 

^Clearly this building, along with Oil Can (the elegant Epworth-Euclid Methodist church), The Temple (now museum), Fenway apts, and the Judson Manor Apts (among others), will be a dominating UC landmark structure... And, as noted earlier, One University Circle also unfortunately tends to highlight Cleveland's historical lack of verticality among its apartment buildings... Hopefully structures like this one will change this...

There are signs to announce where a neighborhood starts lol. I know I kind of started this but thats because there is really no sign telling you where uptown starts or stops like you have with Playhouse Square, Fairfax, OC etc. You can tell that fairfax starts around the Ronald McDonald house.

 

Back to the structure. I do which we had more vertical buildings (with retail) along our streets they create an urban feel that can really be replicated if done right. In Cleveland our vertical structures look out of place because they are immediately surrounded by low rise buildings, they don't even transition well. At least have a high rise with low rise next to it or something. The drop off is too steep.

 

Back to the structure. I do which we had more vertical buildings (with retail) along our streets they create an urban feel that can really be replicated if done right. In Cleveland our vertical structures look out of place because they are immediately surrounded by low rise buildings, they don't even transition well. At least have a high rise with low rise next to it or something. The drop off is too steep.

 

What's interesting is that Cleveland used to have a reputation for tall buildings... Obviously for years, Terminal Tower was the tallest building outside NYC and then between Chicago and NYC -- and, then, Key (built in 1990-1) held that title until Philly's Comcast tower went up a decade or so ago (soon to be topped by Comcast's new super tall neighbor under construction currently).  And as for apts, some really tall buildings were going up into the 1970s... In the mid-1980s I read Lakewood's Winton Place (which I consider part of the Cleveland urban grid) at 32 stories was the tallest apt building between New York and Chicago... Then there's Lake View (now Lake Park) Tower in East Cleveland, at one time an elegant building for well-heeled professionals -- it's at least 20-floors and, from what I understand, still a decent building and one of the most desirable perches in Greater CLE, view-wise, although East Cleveland has, er, slid a bit.  The massive Reserve Square apt towers near Playhouse Sq, originally Park Centre when built in 1972, is 23 floors and the 18-story Crittenden Courts between the Flats and WHD, is 18 stories. 

 

Other than a few more buildings in the Lakewood Gold Coast, that's about it for high, or near high, rise apartments in Cleveland...

Had some college buddies in this weekend from Atlanta and we stopped at the Art Museum. Both friends commented on how impressive Uptown/UC was - both noted that they were not aware that Cleveland had neighborhoods like this. Felt pretty good, I have to tell ya.

Your buddies from Atlanta's comment got me thinking. I think (outside of jobs) the biggest thing holding Cleveland back from growth and prospering as it should is people don't know about the great neighborhoods we have. When we have big events they stay downtown, show 4th and the Rock Hall, YAWN! On the other hand when  big televised events go to Atlanta, NYC, Chicago, Boston etc. they show their downtowns but also their inner city neighborhoods and other attractions that may not be located downtown. It gives viewers who may have never had been there an idea of what is around the town without having to visit. If the televised or publicized things we have here showed Uptown, UC, Ohio City, Tremont, Little Italy etc. I guarantee people would know what we have to offer and Clevelands negative perception would be gone quickly. Neighborhoods like University Circle is a gem that exists in very few cities, it needs to be showcased. Honestly if I had to pick a neighborhood to showcase it would be UC due to its diversity in landscaping as well as architecture and diverse sub neighborhoods. Don't forget about the beautiful Case campus and Heritage lane on Wade Park.

Good stuff for the "I love Cleveland" thread

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,4179.0.html

Beautiful photo: https://mobile.twitter.com/KCSWork/status/910934254225428480/photo/1

 

And views: https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisronayne/status/912988515008466944

Views while heading EB on Euclid Avenue (yes, today was a very hazy, misty day)

 

 

 

uGO‏ @uGOcircle  4h4 hours ago

Topping off ceremony for One University Circle. These 270+ units are bike-friendly✅ transit-oriented✅ near jobs✅ @inthecircle

 

 

 

 

Cleveland's One University Circle apartment tower already is landing some lofty tenants

 

The first renters won't move into One University Circle, the city's first new high-rise apartment tower in decades, until May.

 

But the developers behind the $116 million project already have signed up a handful of tenants, including an unidentified couple that inked a decade-long lease on a 5,500-square-foot unit that will be the only residence on the building's 20th - and top - floor.

 

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For phase two:

 

"First Interstate and Petros Development Corp. have just under an acre left to play with on the site, which they control through a long-term land lease with nonprofit neighborhood group University Circle, Inc. They're talking about more residential construction - including, possibly, condominiums - and exploring whether it makes sense to put offices on the lower floors of a second building."

 

It could be out to bid by 2019.

From Carnegie Avenue from about a week ago.

Any recent pics? This thing has to be about done now, right? I would love to see the view of it from the art museum and red line!

No, it's topped off, but its not even close to done.

The website's a lot more expansive than it used to be, and it says they are leasing for Spring 2018 occupancy. https://oneuniversitycircle.com/

The website's a lot more expansive than it used to be, and it says they are leasing for Spring 2018 occupancy. https://oneuniversitycircle.com/

 

1 bed / 1 bath, 840 s.f. starts at $2,090.

^ Woah, that seems crazy high for Cleveland.

Here's how I'm looking at it: 1) I figure that they wouldn't post rents like this if no one is leasing (or rents will drop until they start leasing). 2) If people are willing to pay that rent, then it's not too high for Cleveland. 3) If it's not too high for Cleveland, then we can expect more developers (and lenders) to invest in new construction, not just office/warehouse conversions.

 

I remember being at a talk maybe 4-5 years ago after the Uptown Apartments opened where Ari Maron said that for new construction to really take off in Cleveland, he believed it would take a catalyst project and something in the range of $2.50/sf rents. Maybe this is it?

I think the University Circle area employs a disproportionately high number of highly-compensated employees (Doctors, PAs, Researchers, etc).  The very short commute from these apartments to the medical facilities will attract people who value their time more than the extra money it costs to live in the neighborhood.

I think the University Circle area employs a disproportionately high number of highly-compensated employees (Doctors, PAs, Researchers, etc).  The very short commute from these apartments to the medical facilities will attract people who value their time more than the extra money it costs to live in the neighborhood.

 

A) Welcome to the site

 

B) You're right. Especially given the ATROCIOUS traffic flows Uptown

But the developers behind the $116 million project already have signed up a handful of tenants, including an unidentified couple that inked a decade-long lease on a 5,500-square-foot unit that will be the only residence on the building's 20th - and top - floor

 

Welcome to Cleveland, vertical sprawl.  :)

 

Seriously, the way this project overlooks the road as you arrive at UC from the north is pretty powerful.

Seems like a fair price. I mean look at that location.

Seems like a fair price. I mean look at that location.

I think that's why people are confused. Are you saying they are attracting the people that work around it? There isn't really anything walk able around it.

It is a good half a mile to most of the retail, restaurants, etc in the area.

Seems like a fair price. I mean look at that location.

I think that's why people are confused. Are you saying they are attracting the people that work around it? There isn't really anything walk able around it.

 

There may be, soon thereafter.

 

If development takes off, which it appears to be doing, in Uptown and Midtown, walkable development will be pop up around it

The Clinic needs to become a landlord and put in some mixed use developments in some of their many, many giant lawns around their main campus. I'm sure they wouldn't want a noisy entertainment district but they could put in some residential, offices, lunch places, and low key restaurants.

 

I think that's why people are confused. Are you saying they are attracting the people that work around it? There isn't really anything walk able around it.

 

Not within a few hundred feet. But within an easy 15 minute over flat ground (covering 3,500 feet), there's a lot nearby. A 15-minute walk gets you to the new CIA dorms at Euclid/East117th, Cleveland Clinic Intercontinental Hotel at Euclid/East 89th, VA Hospital to the north and to the south end of what will be the New Economy District along East 105th. And there's soon to be more within a short walk as UC3 gets underway.

The Clinic needs to become a landlord and put in some mixed use developments in some of their many, many giant lawns around their main campus. I'm sure they wouldn't want a noisy entertainment district but they could put in some residential, offices, lunch places, and low key restaurants.

 

The low rise portion of the WO Walker center in particular would be a terrific candidate for demo and replacement with something better.

 

In any case, sounds like Circle Square is creeping along slowly. That would add a lot of stuff to the immediate vicinity of One University Circle.  [oops, just saw KJP beat me to it.]

A 'good 15 minute walk' is very normal for commuters who live in large cities like NYC, Chicago, D.C., SF.  Many people find the walk enjoyable and healthful, and I suspect that's the demographic that One Uni-Circle will attract. 

A 'good 15 minute walk' is very normal for commuters who live in large cities like NYC, Chicago, D.C., SF.  Many people find the walk enjoyable and healthful, and I suspect that's the demographic that One Uni-Circle will attract. 

 

Agreed, walked from 29th and Franklin to Crop last night and it wasn't bad. I must admit though, I was more motivated to walk by my unwillingness to lose my parking spot more than anything lol.

^^Completely agree. The only hitch is that the pedestrian landscape west of One University Circle towards the Clinic is pretty awful. Skinny sidewalks, very little shade, immediately adjacent to roadway. Utterly pathetic for a healthcare institution (and this stretch of the Euclid was built to the Clinic's specifications).

Agreed, walked from 29th and Franklin to Crop last night and it wasn't bad. I must admit though, I was more motivated to walk by my unwillingness to lose my parking spot more than anything lol.

 

Studebaker President Paul Hoffman wrote in 1939 that if they are to sell cars to the huge untapped city populations and for existing car owners to have full use of their cars, then cities have to be "remade." He said the reason is because it's so difficult to use cars and especially to park them. If cities densify, it usually makes parking and driving more difficult. But that also reduces the need for government-funded infrastructure.

 

To bring this back to One University Circle, it's at the geographic center of everything in/near University Circle/Cleveland Clinic. University Circle is now the fastest growing job center in Ohio, becoming the fourth-largest employment node in the state. It grew from 22,000 jobs in 2002 to more than 61,000 in 2015 (a number that is surely higher today). Just that 39,000-job increase is a growth rate of 177 percent. Meanwhile downtown Cleveland has lost 16 percent of its jobs in the same period.

 

So if we want this district to grow without drowning in vehicular traffic (at least until we get our act together on substantially funding transit), then placing more residential units at the geographic center of this economic powerhouse is essential. The site of One University Circle and Circle Square/UC3 is at the geographic center. And they're next to terrific greenspaces and near existing high-capacity transit, with the Thrive 105-93 transit corridor now in planning too.

Agreed, walked from 29th and Franklin to Crop last night and it wasn't bad. I must admit though, I was more motivated to walk by my unwillingness to lose my parking spot more than anything lol.

 

Studebaker President Paul Hoffman wrote in 1939 that if they are to sell cars to the huge untapped city populations and for existing car owners to have full use of their cars, then cities have to be "remade." He said the reason is because it's so difficult to use cars and especially to park them. If cities densify, it usually makes parking and driving more difficult. But that also reduces the need for government-funded infrastructure.

 

To bring this back to One University Circle, it's at the geographic center of everything in/near University Circle/Cleveland Clinic. University Circle is now the fastest growing job center in Ohio, becoming the fourth-largest employment node in the state. It grew from 22,000 jobs in 2002 to more than 61,000 in 2015 (a number that is surely higher today). Just that 39,000-job increase is a growth rate of 177 percent. Meanwhile downtown Cleveland has lost 16 percent of its jobs in the same period.

 

So if we want this district to grow without drowning in vehicular traffic (at least until we get our act together on substantially funding transit), then placing more residential units at the geographic center of this economic powerhouse is essential. The site of One University Circle and Circle Square/UC3 is at the geographic center. And they're next to terrific greenspaces and near existing high-capacity transit, with the Thrive 105-93 transit corridor now in planning too.

 

 

Is the Cleveland Clinic Employment Statistic under University Circle or Under Midtown? If it is under Midtown then where did they pick-up 39,000 jobs?

Cleveland Clinic is included in whatever district is necessary to make your case look more impressive.

Agreed, walked from 29th and Franklin to Crop last night and it wasn't bad. I must admit though, I was more motivated to walk by my unwillingness to lose my parking spot more than anything lol.

 

Studebaker President Paul Hoffman wrote in 1939 that if they are to sell cars to the huge untapped city populations and for existing car owners to have full use of their cars, then cities have to be "remade." He said the reason is because it's so difficult to use cars and especially to park them. If cities densify, it usually makes parking and driving more difficult. But that also reduces the need for government-funded infrastructure.

 

To bring this back to One University Circle, it's at the geographic center of everything in/near University Circle/Cleveland Clinic. University Circle is now the fastest growing job center in Ohio, becoming the fourth-largest employment node in the state. It grew from 22,000 jobs in 2002 to more than 61,000 in 2015 (a number that is surely higher today). Just that 39,000-job increase is a growth rate of 177 percent. Meanwhile downtown Cleveland has lost 16 percent of its jobs in the same period.

 

So if we want this district to grow without drowning in vehicular traffic (at least until we get our act together on substantially funding transit), then placing more residential units at the geographic center of this economic powerhouse is essential. The site of One University Circle and Circle Square/UC3 is at the geographic center. And they're next to terrific greenspaces and near existing high-capacity transit, with the Thrive 105-93 transit corridor now in planning too.

 

 

Is the Cleveland Clinic Employment Statistic under University Circle or Under Midtown? If it is under Midtown then where did they pick-up 39,000 jobs?

People forget about Fairfax so often lol.

Sure it's Fairfax, but the CC's employment numbers are typically shown as part of UC.  But if you're at a Cleveland Clinic suburban campus they refer to the main campus as being "downtown."

 

Whatever it is, it's within an easy walking distance of One University Circle, even if the walk is a bit barren and brutal.

BTW their website now has a promo video with some views from the top of the tower....

 

https://oneuniversitycircle.com/

 

And a misspelling of "unsurpassed"....

^the opening video changes images way to fast. and for a few it dwells too long on something less interesting. surprisingly poorly done.