i was driving home from my job sun night (i work of St Clair down by E-105th) and i work nightshift and i was in between 71st and 73 and at a light i was approached by 2 people ask me if i needed drugs and of course i said i had no cash and right after that they yelled what the fuck are you doin down here and the one drew a gun on me , I dunno but i think this is a major problem that police need to adress i mean come on these guys walk up to anybody and try and sell them drugs  What is Cleveland now Jaimaica Queens NY

Did you report the incident to the police?

Yeah and you no what they said to me , You shouldnt have been down there in the first place , i mean come on wtf are these guys doin granted i know its not the best spot for a white kid to be at around midnight but still i mean at least you could go out and search for the people im not sure what happened after that but yes i did report it

i was driving home from my job sun night (i work of St Clair down by E-105th) and i work nightshift and i was in between 71st and 73 and at a light i was approached by 2 people ask me if i needed drugs and of course i said i had no cash and right after that they yelled what the fuck are you doin down here and the one drew a gun on me , I dunno but i think this is a major problem that police need to adress i mean come on these guys walk up to anybody and try and sell them drugs  What is Cleveland now Jaimaica Queens NY

 

Did they steal all your punctuation?

^LMAO

 

There's certain places I wouldn't go at night in Cincy, not that I'm a coward or over-cautious or anything, it's just that the probability of getting robbed like that is dramatically increased. Cleveland is supposed to have a high amount of Police per capita, atleast compared to here.

well yea but i work down there so im kinda in a bad situation and ask anyone who knows that area , its not the spot to be at midnight , all im saying is that i think police need to be more alert in that area of town because its bad

my friend's parents were driving home from downtown around midnight and ended up in that area.  a cop stopped them, told them what direction to go to get out of there and not pay attention to the stop-lights...

 

the area you are talking about tho is a place i wouldnt drive around even during the day, next time i would advise to treat it like a 4 way stop at the light if people were approaching the car like that.  as bad as that sounds heh

It's sad that that area has become so dangerous. It has one of the more in tact commercial districts (St. Clair in the 60s and 70s) in the city, and some nice old housing stock.

"east 1999, talkin bout back in the days..."

 

bonethugs -- heh. my old college roomate was from there and we would stop by on trips home to buy, um, supplies. its def no picnic around there driving at night, nothing funny about guns either.

 

i do always hope e105th & st. clair make a comeback some day, heck its all still there waiting for people to take notice, reinvest and revive it. it should ideally be harlem-esque with local shops around that area.

 

i really don't have a single story like this, nor have ever heard one.

 

Though it doesn't beat my playstation 2 i bought on the streets of baltimore

i was driving home from my job sun night (i work of St Clair down by E-105th) and i work nightshift and i was in between 71st and 73 and at a light i was approached by 2 people ask me if i needed drugs and of course i said i had no cash and right after that they yelled what the fuck are you doin down here and the one drew a gun on me , I dunno but i think this is a major problem that police need to adress i mean come on these guys walk up to anybody and try and sell them drugs  What is Cleveland now Jaimaica Queens NY

 

Why the hell would you let someone at THAT hour, at this time of year, get near your car???

 

this really has nothing to do with "Cleveland" but more to do with "common sense".

 

I would have ran that SOB over!  Did you drive right to the police station?  if you are not satisfied with the police response, take it a step forward.  The police are complaining that they aren't paid enough, and here is a situation where you feel threatened.

 

And if you really wanna talk about a life and death situation.....think about having someone shove a gun in your face on the subway because they want your bag!

 

Also, what do you know about Jamaica, Qns???  Why would equate Cleveland to a single neighborhood in NYC??

They were in a white chevy van , trust me i took off i think when someone pulls a loaded .40 cal on ya your prolly gonna jet , im just wondering if maybe they were gang members and i was in their "turf" . Im not trying to call out any cops or anything or put down cleveland , i love this city but at the same time i shouldnt have to carry a 9mm just to go to work neither

I would suggest taking St. Clair to MLK, and then on to I-90 (or south to Chester).  If that route makes sense for your commute, you'd have a safer drive home.

thanks for the route , I dont really know my way around the side streets around there i usually just take St Clair back downtown and get on 71 down their

thanks for the route , I dont really know my way around the side streets around there i usually just take St Clair back downtown and get on 71 down their

 

Go to I-90 from MLK and you'll have some more time to catch some sleep. 

"this really has nothing to do with "Cleveland" but more to do with "common sense".

 

I have to agree - don't get me wrong, it was an unfortunate incident but there are just some things that should come naturally if you venture in to any urban area, much less an area that's known for crime. When I was growing up near Youngstown, my parents told me:

 

1. Never drive in the curb lane unless you ABSOLUTELY have no choice.

2. NEVER stop if it's late at night and someone "taps" your bumper. Drive to a police station instead - if the people don't follow you, oh well...

3. If it's a matter of a speeding ticket, a failure to stop ticket, etc. or getting shot/mugged/pilfered, step on the fricking gas and get out of there.

4. Always, always, always know where you are - get a map, go online and learn your main route AND side streets in case you need an escape route.

5. And NEVER, EVER, EVER,  let anyone within 10 feet of your car. In fact, make that 20. Leave before they have the chance, run a red light if you must.

 

All of those should be common sense, especially if you know you'll be working/living in an area that's dicey.

 

"I'm just wondering if maybe they were gang members and i was in their "turf" .

 

Here's how it works in areas like that - you had the appearance of a potential customer. When they realized that you weren't, you were of no use to them other than what they could take by force. They could give a rat's @ss about some white kid cruising through their turf as far as "turf rights" go.

OTOH, I would say that running red lights or otherwise acting like a scared suburbanite is a good way to get alot of attention drawn to you, and not just from the cops.  If someone is coming up to your  car door or flashes a gun, then ya you should.  Otherwise, I think you're better off playing it cool.

 

And I agree, the problem wasn't that they wanted you off their turf, its that they considered you a part of their "turf".

Good tips, Mayday. I would add one more to seriously consider; no make that two.

If you absolutely *have* to go through that hood, carry a gun. :shoot:

And don't hesitate to hit a muthaf**ka with your car if one so happens to be in the way.(maybe that's a bad tip)

I've been told many times by police, friends from people on the street in the daytime to steer very clear of that entire part of the city at night.(among other sections)

 

I would venture to guess that most of the crazy mofos on the street late at night aren't dealing drugs. I buy lots of drugs, and it doesn't make much sense to me to be selling them to passers-by. Of course I buy all my drugs in the suburbs, so maybe business practices are different city-vs-suburb. Either way, it was probably some crazy crackheads that wanted some money, or something along those lines. "Gangs" in Cleveland for the most part are rivals kids from different housing projects. I don't think Cleveland Gangland is as organized as bigger cities. MIA, CHI, ATL. It's mostly just punks.

mxchris216, I agree about driving to MLK and getting on I-90 there, but I'd suggest going north on East 105th into Bratenahl, turn left on Lake Shore Boulevard and then get on I-90 at MLK.

 

When I drive through bad neighborhoods, I also don't drive in the curb lane, I don't come to a complete stop at lights and instead inch slowly forward, and if there's a car stopped in front of me, I leave enough space in front so I can pull away if I have to. Plus, when I can, I never stop my car opposite of the windows of the car stopped next to me in the 'hood, just to avoid starting something even with an innocent glance.

Good tips, Mayday. I would add one more to seriously consider; no make that two.

If you absolutely *have* to go through that hood, carry a gun. :shoot:

And don't hesitate to hit a muthaf**ka with your car if one so happens to be in the way.(maybe that's a bad tip)

I've been told many times by police, friends from people on the street in the daytime to steer very clear of that entire part of the city at night.(among other sections)

 

 

 

wow, a new high

This sounds like "A Guide For Whites To Handle the Hood for Dummies."

mxchris216, I agree about driving to MLK and getting on I-90 there, but I'd suggest going north on East 105th into Bratenahl, turn left on Lake Shore Boulevard and then get on I-90 at MLK.

 

When I drive through bad neighborhoods, I also don't drive in the curb lane, I don't come to a complete stop at lights and instead inch slowly forward, and if there's a car stopped in front of me, I leave enough space in front so I can pull away if I have to. Plus, when I can, I never stop my car opposite of the windows of the car stopped next to me in the 'hood, just to avoid starting something even with an innocent glance.

 

LOL you've seriously put that much thought into it?

I think Cincinnati is the only city where MLK boulevard isn't really that bad.

^lansing

This sounds like "A Guide For Whites To Handle the Hood for Dummies."

^ LOL! :laugh:

What's Good mxchris216. I live off 105, not too far from St. Clair. Being from that area of Cleveland I generally how the people in that area think.  Too me, since I've been there for practially all my life, I have grown accustomed to what to do, where to be, etc...  In your case since you work down there at those areas, is unfortunate.  Because I know how the people down there think, eight times out of ten, they just wanted to scare you.  Because you are white and you were in a place where white people don't usually come, people like them get a "kick" out of stuff like that. I could be totally wrong, depending on how the situation went down. It is unfortunate that you have to be unsafe like that in your own city, but I agree with somebody who said if you need to carry a pistol, you have to do what you got to do. But if it ever happens again, i suggest that you do what the others said and drive off. But if you do that, know that their is a possibility that you will get shot at. I know that sounds bad, but just trying to keep it real. Also I am definately not trying to justify their actions because it was totally ignorant.

LOL you've seriously put that much thought into it?

 

It was a reaction I had at some point, and since has become standard practice.

 

 

This sounds like "A Guide For Whites To Handle the Hood for Dummies."

 

That's friggin' hilarious! But maybe it is and that we need it.

What's Good mxchris216. I live off 105, not too far from St. Clair. Being from that area of Cleveland I generally how the people in that area think.  Too me, since I've been there for practially all my life, I have grown accustomed to what to do, where to be, etc...  In your case since you work down there at those areas, is unfortunate.  Because I know how the people down there think, eight times out of ten, they just wanted to scare you.  Because you are white and you were in a place where white people don't usually come, people like them get a "kick" out of stuff like that. I could be totally wrong, depending on how the situation went down. It is unfortunate that you have to be unsafe like that in your own city, but I agree with somebody who said if you need to carry a pistol, you have to do what you got to do. But if it ever happens again, i suggest that you do what the others said and drive off. But if you do that, know that their is a possibility that you will get shot at. I know that sounds bad, but just trying to keep it real. Also I am definately not trying to justify their actions because it was totally ignorant.

 

Welcome to UrbanOhio  :wave: 

 

You raise some pretty good point and your summation was right on point.

This sounds like "A Guide For Whites To Handle the Hood for Dummies."

 

Yeah, unfortunately it is needed.

I think Cincinnati is the only city where MLK boulevard isn't really that bad.

 

Parts of MLK are actually pretty nice.  The area where it goes through Rockefeller park is very nice, and south of UC MLK has some stretches of stately and decently maintained homes, although the intersecting streets sometimes aren't as nice.

Whenever someone has a bad experience in any area, the common complaint is "The police need to address this problem." Allow me to break down that particular intersection. That intersection is in the 5th District and the zone would be 511 zone. There is one car that is assigned to partol that zone. That zone extends N/S from the Lake Erie to Superior Ave, E/W from E.55 to MLK. The patrol car is assigned an aray dispatch calls. There are assignments given to the officers from supervisors at the 5th District. There are other areas that need to be dealt with within that zone. There are at least 4 established gangs within that zone--- that doesn't count the "wannabes". It may take officers a couple hours for the required paperwork involved with an arrest. If you ever get the chance to observe that intersection, just wait for the time when all things seem to be quiet and out of nowhere, you hear loud whistling--- or something similar. Within no time, a police car will be visible. That intersection has a lookout 24/7. I am sure there are people on this site (myself included) who live in a low crime area of the city and complain that they never see the police. Why? Because the police regularly patrol the areas that need patroling. That intersection included. The police are doing there job. The police are handcuffed by layoffs and liberal laws. In addition, I highly doubt you told the police you had a gun stuffed in your face and thier respose was "You shouldn't have been down there." If that's true, why didn't you make a formal complaint? Did you call 911? If so, it's on record-- that will affirm your alligations. if not, when and where did you come in contact with a police officer? That too should be on record. Make your formal complaint. Or, did you only complain about this problem on this site?

Parts of MLK are actually pretty nice.  The area where it goes through Rockefeller park is very nice, and south of UC MLK has some stretches of stately and decently maintained homes, although the intersecting streets sometimes aren't as nice.

 

Not sure how to do the paste in the box thing that so many do, but this was my attempt!  lol

Being a firefighter for the city of Cleveland, and working on the east side, I know the MLK area pretty well.  The Rockefeller Park area seems nice, but if you go up the hill to the West side, it becomes VERY dicey!  I have been to a number of shootings in that area.  I think many of you would be amazed to what goes on in our city on a daily basis.  The majority of things that happen don't make the news unless someone dies or it is a flashy story.  During my last shift, we went to a shooting and two stabbings, and that was on a Tueday night!  These incidents were in the area of MY station (on E116th between Kinsman and Buckeye ...station 41).  Sometimes the police calls are backed up due to the high call volume.  I bothers me when people think the Police in Cleveland aren't doing their job because they aren't there immediatley when you need them.  These men and women are very busy... as well are the members of the FD.  Contrary to popular belief, we don't sit and watch TV all day, we too are a very busy inner city FD.  All I am saying is.....some people might think that certain areas are safe, or may think that not too many bad things happen because you don't hear about them.....trust me, they do!  If you find yourself in a "bad" area....use your head, be safe.  Some of the ideas stated earlier about how to drive are actually very good ideas.  Okay..enough of my soap boxing!  Stay safe people!

JDD, thanks for your thoughts. It's cool to know we have a member of the CPD on the board, who can provide their take on the city from a police perspective.

 

It's too bad that some areas off of MLK are kinda dicey. That neighborhood is so beautiful. However, I think we have reached a kind of turning point with the Heritage Lane renovation/new construction project on E. 105th. From what I hear, both the old and new units (especially the old) are selling like hotcakes. Citirama was also in the vicinity last fall.

  Thanks for saying "thanks"... I don't want to disappoint...but I am CFD..not CPD.....hope that still makes the cut!  lol

Oh, trust me, JDD, I used to work in that neighborhood.  I know very well that Ansel/E. 79th is dicey.  I was speaking about MLK itself.

I agree....I think that part of MLK is gorgeous.....I guess if you knew nothing of the area, you would think that part of the city is great!  Too bad that junk looms up the hill!

While we are on the subject of MLK..there is a lot of good work being done on the different cultural gardens.  Many have been renovated or restored in the past year and many more will undergo the same in the near future.  Also, Parkworks is doing a master plan for the entire stretch from E.105 to the shoreway. 

 

 

While we are on the subject of MLK..there is a lot of good work being done on the different cultural gardens.  Many have been renovated or restored in the past year and many more will undergo the same in the near future.  Also, Parkworks is doing a master plan for the entire stretch from E.105 to the shoreway. 

 

Which gardens have been renovated?  I walked through many of them back in Oct and they looked the same - lots of great infrastructure, lots of potential, but most of it still unrealized with lots of unmet maintenance. 

 

Since I moved to NE Ohio 4 yrs ago, the gardens have seemed like one of the places with really high potential.  When you look at the vintage pictures on http://academic.csuohio.edu/clevelandhistory/culturalgardens/ you realize how beautiful (and popular) they once were and how much they've fallen since.  I would love to see them fully restored, with all the statuary and plantings replaced, the infrastructure (incl the walls and many fountains) repaired, more country-specific landscaping, cultural programming, and maybe a welcome center to help orient visitors and give some of the tumultuous history of the gardens.  You'd think it would be natural for UCI and the Botanical Gardens to get involved (although maybe the Bot Garden is afraid it would pull visitors and $ away from its main bldg). 

 

Hope I just missed the ones they've been working on.  They didn't necessarily look bad (despite the troubles over the years, the gardens still hold some charm), but I didn't see too many obvious signs of improvement either.

The restoration is slow. Some gardens will see a lot of work, while others will just see a new bronze bust or two.

 

There has been a lot of preliminary work on the Hebrew garden so that a fountain can be restored. (underground plumbing--how did you not notice that? :)) The metal archway and lantern in the British garden has rebuilt and is rather handsome (best viewed from MLK).  Look for a new composite bronze bust of Shakespeare to show up in the next few months.  There are various new and restored busts in the Slovenian and Hungarian gardens (I might be wrong about the hungarians.) The German garden has a glorious new statue.  The new Indian garden will soon have a large bronze statue of Ghandi. It is being made in India as we speak. Hmm, what else? The Rusin, Finnish, Greek, and American Legion gardens are all in the process of being restored to varying degrees.  The Cleveland Cultural Garden Foundation is spearheading the work. They hire local artists to do the work.  UCI, through the Holden Parks Trust, provides about half of the funding.  The rest comes from the individual cultural groups.  Obviously, the bulk of this work is done in the artists' studios. Then they come in and install it in a few hours time. 

 

Most of the improvements are only visible on East Blvd (between St. Clair and Superior) at the moment. 

Thanks for the update, wim and glad to hear they're making progress.  I'll have to check out the British garden (we were near it, but didn't go through that one).  I don't remember all the gardens we went through, but I know we at least went through the Irish, Greek, Italian, German, Lithuanian (I believe), among others.  Relative to the others, the German garden is in somewhat better shape (or at least the great Goethe/Schiller statue makes it feel that way). 

 

Also glad to hear they're working on the Hebrew garden.  That one seems to have lost the most.  According to the CSU website, all 13 of the original plaques/statues are missing and the fountain is incomplete.  And if you look at the two pictures below, the landscaping has taken quite a hit over the years, too (looks like they clear-cut it, essentially).

Whenever someone has a bad experience in any area, the common complaint is "The police need to address this problem." Allow me to break down that particular intersection. That intersection is in the 5th District and the zone would be 511 zone. There is one car that is assigned to partol that zone. That zone extends N/S from the Lake Erie to Superior Ave, E/W from E.55 to MLK. The patrol car is assigned an aray dispatch calls. There are assignments given to the officers from supervisors at the 5th District. There are other areas that need to be dealt with within that zone. There are at least 4 established gangs within that zone--- that doesn't count the "wannabes". It may take officers a couple hours for the required paperwork involved with an arrest. If you ever get the chance to observe that intersection, just wait for the time when all things seem to be quiet and out of nowhere, you hear loud whistling--- or something similar. Within no time, a police car will be visible. That intersection has a lookout 24/7. I am sure there are people on this site (myself included) who live in a low crime area of the city and complain that they never see the police. Why? Because the police regularly patrol the areas that need patroling. That intersection included. The police are doing there job. The police are handcuffed by layoffs and liberal laws. In addition, I highly doubt you told the police you had a gun stuffed in your face and thier respose was "You shouldn't have been down there." If that's true, why didn't you make a formal complaint? Did you call 911? If so, it's on record-- that will affirm your alligations. if not, when and where did you come in contact with a police officer? That too should be on record. Make your formal complaint. Or, did you only complain about this problem on this site?

 

KTM, I find your message very interesting! Please explain further, which specific intersection you are talking about??? Thank you!

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Rockefeller Park, as beautiful as it is, lacks the typical bike-rider or jogger. Why? Because unfortunately, this is a very dangerous area. The parkway itself is not the problem. All along both sides of it is the problem - from I-90 all the way to University Circle, we're talking about some of the worst problems in the city, especially, and I stress this, the EASTERN side near East Boulevard, Eddy Road, and almost the entire segment of Superior and St. Claire, beyond E. 55th, all the way into East Cleveland. If you think that E. 73rd and St. Claire is bad, dabble over to St. Claire and E. 100, it's much worse. And the worst would be the intersection of Eddy and Hayden, near Superior and Euclid's crossing. No street lights at a 5-way crossing, abandoned houses, abandoned warehouses, large railroad bridges, etc.. I have documented homicides in the city over the last year and this is becoming the hot spot for murder as well as drug related violence.

 

Don't forget, neighborhoods change, and they change fast! Tremont. Today vs. 10 years ago. Just for the record, the big changes taking place right now will be the E. 105th-E. 115th area, on the borders of CWRU/Veterans Hospital. What needs to be addressed are the CMHA highrises. Wade Apartments and the Mt. Sinia site.. 20 story public housing is a major disaster. Just think about it, how difficult it is to bust a drug deal in a highrise??? That's why we'll never see CMHA build another highrise again. These sites need to re-locate the tenants to the up and coming area near Woodland-Cedar between E. 30-E. 65th and convert these into private housing or just tear the son of a bitches down. I have been inside the Wade Apartments and feared my life like never before. 2 elevators, 1 of which was broken, and the other took 15, yes 15 minutes to reach the lobby. I had to go to floor 7 and it stopped on every floor going up. People getting on at floor 2 and getting off at floor 3. The entire complex has fenced in balconies, to prevent a lot of things from happening. Tell me another highrise with such a thing? Anyways, these sites are overlooking Rockefeller Park and are lined up and down E. 105, Mt. Sinai, Hough, and Wade Park Dr., with low-rise apartments and more CMHA. A lot of the litter found along E. 105th St. falls down the hill and ends up in the beautiful Rockefeller Park. Ansel-E. 105th (the same street) is the true borderline for this area's good side and bad side. You will notice that Rockefeller Park goes right thru it, and the end result is that you have a nice park dipped below a majorly troubled area of Cleveland.

Also if anyone can help me out with this      Is the Cedar Project Area pretty high in crime , i wouldnt imagine it would be cause it pretty close to downtown and right next to the juvinile court but i have to put a fence up down there and im just wondering if thats a trouble spot?

Also if anyone can help me out with this      Is the Cedar Project Area pretty high in crime , i wouldnt imagine it would be cause it pretty close to downtown and right next to the juvinile court but i have to put a fence up down there and im just wondering if thats a trouble spot?

 

I think it's a LOT safer and better than any other subsidized living in the entire NE Ohio region. They are doing a fantastic job with this area. You need to be weary of the remaining public housing next to it, although most of its already torn down or enroute to be demolished and re-built. Since it's not CMHA, you do have to pay to live here, and we're not talking about pennies, but rather 130k per house. Not a bad area, especially if the project continues to grow outwards.

There are 4 bad areas in city of Cleveland (but by area, I mean BIG areas):

 

1. West side of Cleveland, the entire area between I-90 and I-71 all the way west upto W. 130th St. Basically anything south of Ohio City and the Detroit Shoreway, west of Tremont, and north of I-71. Detroit, Clark, Denison, and Lorain are the 4 main east-west roads that make up this portion from W. 25th to W. 130th. Metrohealth, Riverside Cemetery, and both sides of Train Avenue = BAD things happening! You will hear a lot about homicides along Detroit between W. 70th-W. 90th.

 

2. Anything east of E. 55th, south of Carnegie Avenue.. this is a large portion of the city, and the borderlines would be I-77 to the west, I-480 to the south, Shaker Square/Larchmere to the east, and the area includes Buckeye, Harvard, Union, and Miles. Union between E. 70th and E. 100th would be the worst part if you asked me. The Lost Triangle, referring to the railroad tracks and abandoned industrial sites situated between Union-Broadway-E. 93rd = BADDDDDDDDD!!! VERY BAD!!! This area extends all the way east, but south of Shaker Heights, up to Lee Road. There are a lot of un-patrolled railroad tracks that allow gangs and drug deals to take place in seclusion.

 

3. North-East side of Cleveland, anything east/north of Unversity Circle, all the way up until the Euclid city lines is more bad stuff. Anything North of Euclid, all the way north to Lakeshore between E. 55th and E. 185th is the segment I am referring to. Eddy Road, Shaw Road, E. 155th, Superior, and St. Claire.

 

4. The CMHA site near the airport nestled inbetween I-71, Rocky River Dr., I-480, and Puritas. A very fucked up area if you ask me.. it's surrounded by fairly decent suburbs and neighborhoods on all sides.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the results of a major study.. you could also say that Akron, Lorain and Elyria have their bad areas, and maybe, just maybe parts of Willowick and/or Barberton (Meth labs). Otherwise, there aren't any major problem areas in NE Ohio to my knowledge.

^Don't forget E131 between Miles and Union.  In my eyes, one of the worst. 

Also if anyone can help me out with this      Is the Cedar Project Area pretty high in crime , i wouldnt imagine it would be cause it pretty close to downtown and right next to the juvinile court but i have to put a fence up down there and im just wondering if thats a trouble spot?

 

I was surveying for the I-90 trench project between Cedar and Central. The guys that were hanging in front of the place came to us showed us one of their guns and told us to get out of there. So we left. We will have to go back there and finish and the CPD said they will send officers to escort us while we were down there.

^Don't forget E131 between Miles and Union.  In my eyes, one of the worst. 

 

Part of #2 listed above. I was in an accident right at where you are discussing, actually at E. 136th and Miles. It was a major accident and the cops never showed up even though ambulances/firetrucks were required to clear the scene. I don't ever want to visit that area again.

^Saw it.  The sad thing is, this is one of the newer sections, relatively speaking, of Cleveland. 

Let me re-phrase, the east side of CLeveland.