Christian Moerlein labels are great, but Burger, Little Kings, and Hudepol (I think those are under the CM umbrella) is/was terrible.  They may serve a niche but that niche definitely isn't quality beer.

 

 

Can't imagine lumping them together like that!!  Schoenling Little Kings is expensive per ounce if you've noticed. It is sold in 29 states.  Greg was brilliant to bring it under his umbrella with the other original Cincinnati brands.  It is a cream ale that has won awards.

 

Burger/ Burger Lite clearly is a budget priced beer and gives a local option to the "Milwaukees Best" crowd. 

 

Hudy Delite is clearly one of the best light beers in the country. And we have it right here. Quality ingredients.  Not a bad 96 calorie brew. 

 

That leaves the controversial 14k that will debut tomorrow at 11am on Fountain Square.  You either love it or hate it. A very distinct brew. Not a craft beer.  It was the number one beer in Cincinnati for a few decades until it faded in the late 70's & 80's.    I personally love it and am excited about it's debut.

 

www.showyourhudy.com

 

 

I don't want to make it sound like I attest having those beers around.  I would just prefer those not to be served at the new restaurant.  I think the Lager House should stick mostly to the premium beers in his arsenal.

 

It has been a long time since I've had Little Kings so maybe my tastes were different then.  And for Hudy Delite, I just don't like light beer and haven't really tasted any light beers that are of good quality, especially for German beer standards.  I don't remember 14-K.  Does it more closely resemble a Budweiser?

I had the 14-K lots of grain flavor.  would be perfect to have one right after you get done mowing the lawn.

I don't want to make it sound like I attest having those beers around. I would just prefer those not to be served at the new restaurant. I think the Lager House should stick mostly to the premium beers in his arsenal.

 

Restaurants always offer budget beers.  How would the Lager House be any different?  The goal is to provide options for your whole customer base.  The Lager House--the way I see it--will be a celebration of Cincinnati beer culture.  Why should it or we ignore any of it selectively.  The fact that several former breweries' recipes are all under one roof, so to speak, (and will actually be brewed under one roof) ensures tremendous stability for each brand.

 

Even though I prefer certain classes of beer over others, I want the Lager House to be a destination for beer snobs and casual drinkers alike.  Why shut anyone out?  I'd rather someone who only drinks Miller Lite to visit the Lager House, switch to a local brew of slightly higher caliber, and support local business.

 

 

Little Kings is one of my favorite beers, even though it's somewhat pricey.  I also think Burger beer, when you consider the fact that it comes out to $0.50 a can, is the best value taste you can get.  It'd be great if the Lager House offered these.  By your seventh or eighth beer you start to run out of money and not care about taste so much :-)

Little Kings is one of my favorite beers, even though it's somewhat pricey. I also think Burger beer, when you consider the fact that it comes out to $0.50 a can, is the best value taste you can get. It'd be great if the Lager House offered these. By your seventh or eighth beer you start to run out of money and not care about taste so much :-)

 

I don't mind paying the extra 8.25 cents per can for Hudy

I don't want to make it sound like I attest having those beers around. I would just prefer those not to be served at the new restaurant. I think the Lager House should stick mostly to the premium beers in his arsenal.

 

Restaurants always offer budget beers. How would the Lager House be any different? The goal is to provide options for your whole customer base. The Lager House--the way I see it--will be a celebration of Cincinnati beer culture. Why should it or we ignore any of it selectively. The fact that several former breweries' recipes are all under one roof, so to speak, (and will actually be brewed under one roof) ensures tremendous stability for each brand.

 

Even though I prefer certain classes of beer over others, I want the Lager House to be a destination for beer snobs and casual drinkers alike. Why shut anyone out? I'd rather someone who only drinks Miller Lite to visit the Lager House, switch to a local brew of slightly higher caliber, and support local business.

 

 

 

That isn't true.  The two breweries I can think of around here (Rockbottom and Hofbrauhaus) don't offer budget beers.  It is all premium quality beer.  That doesn't mean some beer isn't lighter, but it is still quality beer.  I wouldn't want a Brewery to sell beer that isn't of good quality.  Beer such as Hudy Delight and Burger may be good for selling in masses and as a cheap beer but I don't think they are best suited for a brewery.

I don't want to make it sound like I attest having those beers around.  I would just prefer those not to be served at the new restaurant.  I think the Lager House should stick mostly to the premium beers in his arsenal.

 

Restaurants always offer budget beers.  How would the Lager House be any different?  The goal is to provide options for your whole customer base.  The Lager House--the way I see it--will be a celebration of Cincinnati beer culture.  Why should it or we ignore any of it selectively.  The fact that several former breweries' recipes are all under one roof, so to speak, (and will actually be brewed under one roof) ensures tremendous stability for each brand.

 

Even though I prefer certain classes of beer over others, I want the Lager House to be a destination for beer snobs and casual drinkers alike.  Why shut anyone out?  I'd rather someone who only drinks Miller Lite to visit the Lager House, switch to a local brew of slightly higher caliber, and support local business.

 

 

 

That isn't true.  The two breweries I can think of around here (Rockbottom and Hofbrauhaus) don't offer budget beers.  It is all premium quality beer.  That doesn't mean some beer isn't lighter, but it is still quality beer.  I wouldn't want a Brewery to sell beer that isn't of good quality.  Beer such as Hudy Delight and Burger may be good for selling in masses and as a cheap beer but I don't think they are best suited for a brewery.

 

 

There you go again. I know you have an affinity for craft beers and think that they are the only thing that the population should drink.  But the fact remains that craft beers are ONLY 4.04% of WHAT AMERICANS DRINK. http://www.beertown.org/ba/media_2009/growthrelease2009.htm  We have to give a few choices at the Lager House for the majority of beer drinkers.  Little Kings is very much premium. Much costlier than Budweiser.  No, it is not a craft beer.  Hudy & Hudy delight are premium beers.  Burger & Burger Light are budget beers.  A LARGE part of the population will go to the Lager house !nd if they cannot get something like Budweiser or Miller Lite they are just not going to force down a strong craft beer.  We want them to buy a Cincinnati beer.    Stop over,  I will buy you a delicious 14k.  www.showyourhudy.com

 

       

Isn't the issue with something like Burger and Hudy was that it was being made in big batches as cheap beer, but that doesn't mean if they actually watch what they are doing and be careful that we couldn't have interesting beer that flowed from the bottom end of the market.

Little Kings is one of my favorite beers, even though it's somewhat pricey. I also think Burger beer, when you consider the fact that it comes out to $0.50 a can, is the best value taste you can get. It'd be great if the Lager House offered these. By your seventh or eighth beer you start to run out of money and not care about taste so much :-)

 

I am now hooked on Little King's and Hudy, thanks to you and Ronny.

There you go again. I know you have an affinity for craft beers and think that they are the only thing that the population should drink.  But the fact remains that craft beers are ONLY 4.04% of WHAT AMERICANS DRINK. http://www.beertown.org/ba/media_2009/growthrelease2009.htm   We have to give a few choices at the Lager House for the majority of beer drinkers.   Little Kings is very much premium. Much costlier than Budweiser.  No, it is not a craft beer.   Hudy & Hudy delight are premium beers.  Burger & Burger Light are budget beers.   A LARGE part of the population will go to the Lager house !nd if they cannot get something like Budweiser or Miller Lite they are just not going to force down a strong craft beer.  We want them to buy a Cincinnati beer.     Stop over,  I will buy you a delicious 14k.   www.showyourhudy.com

 

There I go again?  I've already stated if you took the time to read my posts that those light beers serve a purpose.  I'm not just talking craft beers.  I'm talking quality beers, they are two different things.  People will go down regardless.  It doesn't stop the business at Rock Bottom and Hofbrau.  And as I've said, I haven't had 14k so if it is actually a quality beer than I'm all for it.  Hude Delight and Burger Beer are not quality beers, they are beers that lack quality but are sold for cheap.  That, IMO, shouldn't be included in a Lager House, regardless if it used to be brewed in Cincinnati.  Celebrate the heritage of beer by selling quality beer, not crap beer that is sold at a discount.  99% of light beers taste the same and have the same cheap ingredients.

I can tell that this will become a pissing match, and I don't want any part of it.  But really, cincySAL, your responses are purely subjective (as you know).  I'm sure that the CEO of Christian Moerlein wouldn't waste his time bringing back Hudy and Burger brands, if he thought they tasted the same as budget beers across the country.  Simply, you're discounting them from their position in Cincinnati beer culture, and their place in the epicenter of Cincinnati beer production, because they're not craft brews. 

 

It sounds like you want the Lager House to be some beer haven that only you and your fellow snoots will appreciate.  As Fun7007 said, the majority of people don't drink craft beers, or even premium beers.  CM needs to pay the bills on that piece of land by the river.  Let the Lager House be the Cincinnati beer institution it should be--something for everyone.

I imagine the Lager House is going to offer more than a handful of beers.  As such, I'd expect Burger (a better than average macro) and Hudy, both being cornerstones of Cincinnati beer history, to be among them. 

 

It's not hard to include Bud Light and Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPA on the same beer list, guys.

I can tell that this will become a pissing match, and I don't want any part of it. But really, cincySAL, your responses are purely subjective (as you know). I'm sure that the CEO of Christian Moerlein wouldn't waste his time bringing back Hudy and Burger brands, if he thought they tasted the same as budget beers across the country. Simply, you're discounting them from their position in Cincinnati beer culture, and their place in the epicenter of Cincinnati beer production, because they're not craft brews.

 

It sounds like you want the Lager House to be some beer haven that only you and your fellow snoots will appreciate. As Fun7007 said, the majority of people don't drink craft beers, or even premium beers. CM needs to pay the bills on that piece of land by the river. Let the Lager House be the Cincinnati beer institution it should be--something for everyone.

 

Nor do I, and I don't have anything personally invested in this place. I just suggested what I would have preferred.  The insults of "here you go again" just kind of pissed me off. Similar to your personal attack of "you snoots".  I am anything but, I just prefer a good beer.  And how I have stated multiple times now, there isn't anything wrong with cheap beer, but I (THIS IS JUST MY OPINION) don't think low quality beer should be sold at a brewery.  And I was pointing out that there are restaurants that don't serve all kinds of beer.  RockBottom and Hofbrauhaus make very good business from selling their own high quality beer.

 

I love what Greg Hartmann (sp?) is doing and he obviously will do whatever he thinks is best for his business.  If he serves Bud Light and Hudy there, I will still frequent the place.  I'd just prefer them to stick to high quality beers, that is all.

Ha!  Love the picture.  Either way, no matter what beer they sell, I'm still stoked for this place!

Ha! Love the picture. Either way, no matter what beer they sell, I'm still stoked for this place!

 

AGREED.

:)

Where's that at?

Market wines.  they only turned it on to celebrate the re-launch

Is 14-K available for retail sale yet?

YES!!!   The First Cases of HUDY 14K will arrive mid-day FRIDAY SEPT 17th at the KROGER in Blue Ash. They will have 20 cases. A handful of other locations will also receive it.  Don't know about bars and restaurants.    Most other locations won't see it until Monday or Tuesday.

Oh, how I wish this City Hall Cafe still existed.  There is virtually nothing around that area anymore.  A few surface lots...

Dayton, Kentucky wasn't it?

Meeting will discuss the revitalization of Cincinnati’s brewing heritage

Contributed By Shauna Steigerwald | The Enquirer

 

http://rodeo.cincinnati.com/getlocal/gpstory.aspx?id=100197&sid=155357

 

At the meeting, which will take place at 7 p.m. Wednesday, Oct. 14, Hardman will talk about the revitalization of some of Cincinnati’s heritage beers.

 

For more information, visit www.westwoodhistorical.org.

 

According to altavista, "bürger" means "citizen" in German.  Any German speakers out there to verify?

Yep.

Moerlein wins extension

 

The Cincinnati Park Board has extended Christian Moerlein Brewing Co. another 45 days to share its development and financing plan for the Moerlein Lagerhaus, which is set to rise at Riverfront Park.

 

Board director Willie Carden said he is impressed with the work completed by Moerlein CEO Greg Hardman so far and is willing to be flexible with the local brewer.

 

 

Read Full Sidebar Here: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091017/BIZ01/910170352

Discussion surround the fire at the former Christian Moerlein Barrelhouse has been moved here:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,5707.0.html

Thanks... I knew there was an OTR Brewery District thread floating around somewhere, but I couldn't find it when doing a search.

Thanks... I knew there was an OTR Brewery District thread floating around somewhere, but I couldn't find it when doing a search.

 

Yeah it was still in need of cleaning, but I went in and cleaned it all up so that we could continue the conversation there.

Marty's Hops & Vines uncorks College Hill's latest addition

By Randy A. Simes, Soapbox Cincinnati | January 26, 2010

http://soapboxmedia.com/devnews/0126martyshops.aspx

 

Marty's Hops & Vines is the latest business to open in College Hill's historic business district.  The proprietor of upscale wine and beer joins several new businesses that have invested there over the past year sparking a resurgence in the area.

 

Located at 6110 Hamilton Avenue, Marty's Hops & Vines occupies a 2,100 square-foot building previously occupied by the Jr. Order of Mechanics.  After a six month renovation project the building has been transformed into one of the district's assets - something that makes owner and neighborhood booster Marty Weldishofer very proud.

 

"My love of College Hill, and my belief that people want to shop locally and with people who they know and trust to give them good advice, is what drove the partnership to renovate this historic building and open Marty's Hops & Vines," said Weldishofer. Weldishofer's wife Kate, and their staff of three man the shop.

 

The shop includes over 200 varieties of wines from all over the world and more than 150 types of beer.  There is also a small selection of food items and a bar and seating area to accommodate guests who might take advantage of one of Marty's Hops & Vines' wine tastings or food or wine demonstrations that are in the planning stages.  Weldishofer states that a calendar will be made public soon with information about these events and more.

 

"Our selection is unique and we think we've created an environment where friends can gather and talk about wine, beer and whatever else," exclaimed Weldishofer.

 

Prior to opening Marty's Hops & Vines, Weldishofer was most well-known for his dedicated work in College Hill where he fought for action against abandoned buildings, absentee landlords, and helped secure and administer more than $500,000 in facade improvement money for the College Hill business district.

 

Marty's Hops & Vines is open Tuesday through Thursday from 11am to 10pm; Friday and Saturday from 11am to 11pm; and closed on Sunday and Monday.

 

View photos of Marty's Hops & Vines here:

http://soapboxmedia.com/devnews/0126martyshops.aspx

Samuel Adams brewpub rumor just that ... or is it?

By Dan Monk, Cincinnati Business Courier | January 29, 2010

 

Samuel Adams can’t come to the dance if no one invites him.  This much we learned while chasing down one of the juicier rumors circulated at the recent Colliers Turley Martin Tucker “State of Real Estate” event. The rumor was that a Samuel Adams brewpub might be part of the tenant mix at the Banks riverfront development project.

 

The event featured chatter about Cincinnati’s real estate market. It was presented by brokers in Colliers’ local office, which is soon to be renamed Cassidy Turley. Presenters said a Samuel Adams restaurant might join the Moerlein Lager House on the Cincinnati riverfront. Over-the-Rhine’s Christian Moerlein Brewing Co. said last fall that it would establish a 500-seat restaurant and 600-seat beer garden on a development site within the Central Riverfront Park.

 

Read full article here:

http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2010/02/01/story5.html

Wow, wouldn't that be something.  So, Sam Adams would have a brewpub on the river and their brewery in OTR.

Hm, is there a need for two brewpubs in the Banks? Morlien could be in the Banks, and Sam Adams could open one in OTR.  That would be ideal.

I'd actually think that Moerlein in OTR and Sam Adams at The Banks would work better, but then again, it's not my money.  With that said, it will be interesting to see if there is something to this rumor.  Who knows, maybe Samuel Adams will have a brewpub there as well and Cincinnati will finally start getting the number of brewpubs/biergartens that it deserves for being the king of America's German triangle.

Seeing as how Sam Adams has never really had a public presence here (other than sponsoring Octoberfest), I find it unlikely that their first brewpub would attempt to go head to head with Moerlein's very large project.  There is no pronounced local brand loyalty to Sam, and they have done very little over the years to engage the community (sponsorships, partnerships, etc).

 

I would guess this is more rumor than fact.

There should be an epic tug of war contest between the two breweries every Opening Day

There should be an epic tug of war contest between the two breweries every Opening Day

 

With the Hofbrau guys dancing around a maypole simultaneously.

There should be an epic tug of war contest between the two breweries every Opening Day

 

With the Hofbrau guys dancing around a maypole simultaneously.

 

Better idea.  During Riverfest, since the Taylor Southgate Bridge is closed anyway have a team of champions from Moerlien and Hofbrau parade to the state line (or the high point of the bridge) and have the tug of war there.

When is the Moerlein Lager House set to open and are there renderings anywhere?

Opening Day 2011

Nice!  I just found more info at the Cincinnati Riverfront Park website.  This is gonna be so cool.

 

A quote from a reader on their site says "All my dreams are coming true!"  That's gotta be a common feeling in Cincinnati now.

There should be an epic tug of war contest between the two breweries every Opening Day

 

With the Hofbrau guys dancing around a maypole simultaneously.

 

Haha, that's classic.

Anyone going to Beerfest this weekend?

City to clean site to aid brewery expansion

By David Holthaus, Cincinnati Enquirer, April 19, 2010

 

The Boston Beer Co. wants to expand its West End brewery again but there's a catch. One of the neighboring properties it plans to move into is polluted, requiring an expensive clean-up and bringing with it the possibility of liability down the road.

 

To help make it happen, the city of Cincinnati has agreed to the unusual step of taking ownership of the property while it is cleaned up, relieving the beer maker of any threat of liability.

The stipulation should be that they have to rename it the Cincinnati Lager instead of the Boston Lager, since they make 75% of it in Cincinnati, anyways.

^I wouldn't go that far.... but I do think the Boston Beer Company should name a beer in honor of Cincinnati.

 

 

Anyone know the actual current percentage of their beer brewed here? Sherman's linked article states:

 

- "The brewery, where about a third of Boston Beer's output is produced..."

but then says

- In 2005 Boston Beer Co. "...bought the former Rolling Rock brewery in Latrobe, Pa., invested in upgrades there and began producing much of its beer there."

 

Wikipedia currently states: "The beers were originally contract brewed by the Pittsburgh Brewing Company, though today, approximately 66% of its beer is produced at the company's Cincinnati brewery.".  The reference for this is a 2008 Cincinnati Business Courier article.

 

Persevering to brew up a bright future

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100423/BIZ01/4240331/Persevering-to-brew-up-a-bright-future

 

The youngest beer-brewing venture in town, Rivertown Brewing, is technically considered a micro-brewery, but in reality it's more of a nano-brewery.

 

With a mere 1,500 barrels to be brewed this year, Rivertown, tucked away in an office/industrial park in Lockland, is just a notch above a home brewer.

 

And with only three employees, and one out because he got hit by an exploding keg cork, founder and owner Jason Roeper is doing whatever it takes to keep the operation running. That includes laboring deep inside a 36-foot semi-trailer on an unseasonably warm day recently, unloading a shipment of 100,000 bottles, one pallet at a time.

 

 

 

 

It would be great to see him move to OTR.