Geez ... that video player is horrible. Anyone else having issues?

^I ran it on Opera and it was fine.  Was joggy at first.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090902/BIZ01/909060303/Brewery+planned+for+riverfront+park

 

Brewery planned for riverfront park

 

A new biergarten with working microbrewery dubbed the Moerlein Lager House will be added to Riverfront Park in 2011.

^ ::drool::  :banger: :drunk:

 

ETA: I would love to see Moerlien open a brewery and bar/restaurant in the, you know, Brewery District, but this certainly doesn't suck. I'm sure it will be a huge success.

If this comes to fruition, this is will be a GREAT addition to downtown.  Come on home, CM. 

Very excited about this development and the potential it has.  It's borderline surreal to be discussing actual plans for the Banks, rather than abstract concepts and wishes.

It's borderline surreal to be discussing the actual return of CM to Cincinnati.  :)

In an article cited on the previous page of this thread, Hardman indicated a desire to bring Moerlein's full brewing operations back to Cincy. I'd love to see their main brewing operations up in OTR (along with another bar/restaurant/beirgarten), in addition to the Lager House on the riverfront.

 

They could really become like what Goose Island is to Chicago, Brooklyn Brewery is to NYC, and what Yeungling is to Pennsylvania.

In an article cited on the previous page of this thread, Hardman indicated a desire to bring Moerlein's full brewing operations back to Cincy. I'd love to see their main brewing operations up in OTR (along with another bar/restaurant/beirgarten), in addition to the Lager House on the riverfront.

 

They could really become like what Goose Island is to Chicago, Brooklyn Brewery is to NYC, and what Yeungling is to Pennsylvania.

 

Best part about a OTR Brewery and Brew pub on the banks, they can use the streetcar to transport the kegs or patrons between the two

In an article cited on the previous page of this thread, Hardman indicated a desire to bring Moerlein's full brewing operations back to Cincy. I'd love to see their main brewing operations up in OTR (along with another bar/restaurant/beirgarten), in addition to the Lager House on the riverfront.

 

They could really become like what Goose Island is to Chicago, Brooklyn Brewery is to NYC, and what Yeungling is to Pennsylvania.

 

Best part about a OTR Brewery and Brew pub on the banks, they can use the streetcar to transport the kegs or patrons between the two

 

Huzzah!  :-D

In an article cited on the previous page of this thread, Hardman indicated a desire to bring Moerlein's full brewing operations back to Cincy. I'd love to see their main brewing operations up in OTR (along with another bar/restaurant/beirgarten), in addition to the Lager House on the riverfront.

 

They could really become like what Goose Island is to Chicago, Brooklyn Brewery is to NYC, and what Yeungling is to Pennsylvania.

 

that is what I envision as well (in an optimistic best case scenario).

 

In any event, I am celebrating this with a 2.50 pint of OTR at the Righteous Room.  See you there.

In an article cited on the previous page of this thread, Hardman indicated a desire to bring Moerlein's full brewing operations back to Cincy. I'd love to see their main brewing operations up in OTR (along with another bar/restaurant/beirgarten), in addition to the Lager House on the riverfront.

 

They could really become like what Goose Island is to Chicago, Brooklyn Brewery is to NYC, and what Yeungling is to Pennsylvania.

 

that is what I envision as well (in an optimistic best case scenario).

 

In any event, I am celebrating this with a 2.50 pint of OTR at the Righteous Room.  See you there.

 

I can't abide by any establishment that doesn't put its beer list on its website and posts its overpriced, fruity cocktail drinks instead.

Arrrgh.... Unless somebody can get me a job in Cincinnati designing the new brewpub, I'm stuck here in NYC until at least June. I'd kill for a Moerlein lager, and I'm itching to check out the Righteous Room. :(

 

In not-quite unrelated news, I'm happy to report that I saw some Goose Island beers on tap here in NYC for the first time last week, and I've seen Brooklyn Brewery on tap in Chicago... I'd love to see Moerlein eventually develop that sort of geographic reach.

I can't abide by any establishment that doesn't put its beer list on its website and posts its overpriced, fruity cocktail drinks instead.

 

that may be true, however for 7 days a week from 4 to 8 it's the best deal in town.  If you want to know what beers they have, simply walk in. The taps, while limited, at least have a cold OTR pint.  The bottles run a micro-gamut of decent to above-average quality.  I'm not saying it is my favorite watering hole, not by a longshot, but it fills a niche downtown.  That's enough for me.

I can't abide by any establishment that doesn't put its beer list on its website and posts its overpriced, fruity cocktail drinks instead.

 

that may be true, however for 7 days a week from 4 to 8 it's the best deal in town. If you want to know what beers they have, simply walk in. The taps, while limited, at least have a cold OTR pint. The bottles run a micro-gamut of decent to above-average quality. I'm not saying it is my favorite watering hole, not by a longshot, but it fills a niche downtown. That's enough for me.

 

I know what Moonlight is talking about, but it's good to see Righteous Room come in and fill a specific void void that wasn't there. It's no Milton's or NST, but it's not Bootsy's or Nada either.

They could really become like what Goose Island is to Chicago, Brooklyn Brewery is to NYC, and what Yeungling is to Pennsylvania.

 

That sir, would be absolutely incredible! And, with this announcement, no longer a pipe dream.

I think this location is going to be a lot better than Hofbrauhaus(sp?).  The H's outdoor patio has a nice view of a parking lot, this one will have a view of a park. 

^Agreed. I appreciate Hofbräuhaus trying to open in Cincinnati years ago and finally having to settle on a location in Newport, but it's surronding location is less than desirable to look at.

 

 

Interesting size comparison of the two:

 

Per NYYCVB -

 

The Hofbräuhaus Newport, the world-famous German beer garden’s first U.S. location and only its third worldwide, celebrated its grand opening in April 2003.  The Hofbräuhaus Newport is a 13,315-square-foot facility with a 2,450-square-foot brewery, a “schwemme” or beer hall seating 268 people, a restaurant seating 108 people and an outside beer garden with seating for 344 people. 

 

 

Per Cincinnati.com -

 

City Council approved today a preferred development agreement with Christian Moerlein Brewing Company for the construction of a 15,000-square-foot restaurant and brewery and expansive outdoor biergarten facing the Ohio River. Preliminary architectural designs show a two-story structure that would accommodate 500 people indoors and an outdoor beer garden with seating for 600. The river-facing side of the restaurant would include balconies and outdoor seating - its interior walls made mostly of glass. The restaurant's second floor "Four Seasons Room" will be available for special events and weddings.

Upon Completion of the Banks and the central riverfront park, this will probably be the single best restaurant location in the region.

 

I wonder what the best is now?

prima vista.  for views. 

I can't abide by any establishment that doesn't put its beer list on its website and posts its overpriced, fruity cocktail drinks instead.

 

that may be true, however for 7 days a week from 4 to 8 it's the best deal in town. If you want to know what beers they have, simply walk in. The taps, while limited, at least have a cold OTR pint. The bottles run a micro-gamut of decent to above-average quality. I'm not saying it is my favorite watering hole, not by a longshot, but it fills a niche downtown. That's enough for me.

 

I can only imagine, based on their cocktail prices, what the cost of a decent beer is.  Thanks, but I'll pass.  I'm glad there's a place like it in Cincinnati, but that's not my scene at all. 

Brad I agree, this location will get steady year-round business for lunch & dinner as well as a bump before and after each of 81 home games. Still, it sounds so huge that I'm worried about them staying in business. It will help the Moerlein brand immeasurably though, so even if the restaurant breaks even or loses money, it might still help the overall bottom line. 

I can't abide by any establishment that doesn't put its beer list on its website and posts its overpriced, fruity cocktail drinks instead.

 

that may be true, however for 7 days a week from 4 to 8 it's the best deal in town.  If you want to know what beers they have, simply walk in. The taps, while limited, at least have a cold OTR pint.  The bottles run a micro-gamut of decent to above-average quality.  I'm not saying it is my favorite watering hole, not by a longshot, but it fills a niche downtown.  That's enough for me.

 

I can only imagine, based on their cocktail prices, what the cost of a decent beer is.  Thanks, but I'll pass.  I'm glad there's a place like it in Cincinnati, but that's not my scene at all. 

 

Well imagine this:  the "cost of a decent beer"--a Stone IPA, an OTR, an Oberon et al. is $2.50 from 4 to 8, 7 days a week.

 

I'm sorry but drop the bullschitt hipsteratti pretensions and be practical. Your assumptions as to the appropriate scene are off base.  I have read the idiotic cocktail menu as well, but...really...I don't intend to order off of it nor have I ever...so what's your point?  Go order sex on the beach and blue motorcycles elsewhere.

 

Bottom line--You'll pay more at Arnold's, NST, Milton's, Comet, Grammer's etc.  for the happy hour beer selection.

 

This kind of harping is disingenuous and pathetic.

I can't abide by any establishment that doesn't put its beer list on its website and posts its overpriced, fruity cocktail drinks instead.

 

that may be true, however for 7 days a week from 4 to 8 it's the best deal in town. If you want to know what beers they have, simply walk in. The taps, while limited, at least have a cold OTR pint. The bottles run a micro-gamut of decent to above-average quality. I'm not saying it is my favorite watering hole, not by a longshot, but it fills a niche downtown. That's enough for me.

 

I can only imagine, based on their cocktail prices, what the cost of a decent beer is. Thanks, but I'll pass. I'm glad there's a place like it in Cincinnati, but that's not my scene at all.

 

Well imagine this: the "cost of a decent beer"--a Stone IPA, an OTR, an Oberon et al. is $2.50 from 4 to 8, 7 days a week.

 

I'm sorry but drop the bullschitt hipsteratti pretensions and be practical. Your assumptions as to the appropriate scene are off base. I have read the idiotic cocktail menu as well, but...really...I don't intend to order off of it nor have I ever...so what's your point? Go order sex on the beach and blue motorcycles elsewhere.

 

Bottom line--You'll pay more at Arnold's, NST, Milton's, Comet, Grammer's etc. for the happy hour beer selection.

 

This kind of harping is disingenuous and pathetic.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Did you miss the part were I said I was happy that Cincinnati's got a place like this?  I'm sorry your favorite bar doesn't appeal to me, Casey, but it doesn't.  I've seen the website and while it's a beautiful building on the outside, the clientele on the inside coupled with the menu lets me know this isn't the place for me.  That's okay, right?  We don't have to like everything.

 

Still, I understand that others DO like this sort of bar, and I'm happy the city's able to accomodate them. 

I can't abide by any establishment that doesn't put its beer list on its website and posts its overpriced, fruity cocktail drinks instead.

 

that may be true, however for 7 days a week from 4 to 8 it's the best deal in town.  If you want to know what beers they have, simply walk in. The taps, while limited, at least have a cold OTR pint.  The bottles run a micro-gamut of decent to above-average quality.  I'm not saying it is my favorite watering hole, not by a longshot, but it fills a niche downtown.  That's enough for me.

 

I can only imagine, based on their cocktail prices, what the cost of a decent beer is.  Thanks, but I'll pass.  I'm glad there's a place like it in Cincinnati, but that's not my scene at all. 

 

Well imagine this:  the "cost of a decent beer"--a Stone IPA, an OTR, an Oberon et al. is $2.50 from 4 to 8, 7 days a week.

 

I'm sorry but drop the bullschitt hipsteratti pretensions and be practical. Your assumptions as to the appropriate scene are off base.  I have read the idiotic cocktail menu as well, but...really...I don't intend to order off of it nor have I ever...so what's your point?  Go order sex on the beach and blue motorcycles elsewhere.

 

Bottom line--You'll pay more at Arnold's, NST, Milton's, Comet, Grammer's etc.  for the happy hour beer selection.

 

This kind of harping is disingenuous and pathetic.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Did you miss the part were I said I was happy that Cincinnati's got a place like this?  I'm sorry your favorite bar doesn't appeal to me, Casey, but it doesn't.  I've seen the website and while it's a beautiful building on the outside, the clientele on the inside coupled with the menu lets me know this isn't the place for me.  That's okay, right?  We don't have to like everything.

 

Still, I understand that others DO like this sort of bar, and I'm happy the city's able to accomodate them. 

 

whoahahoanoah....I never said it was my "favorite bar."  I believe I said "it's not my favorite watering hole, far from it..."

 

If you had actually  been there and said it was full of annoying people with bad drinks, I would understand, even possibly agree.  My problemn was making assumptions based on your "imagination" and an online drink menu. That's all.

No biggie.

Peace and love!

 

 

 

 

Brad I agree, this location will get steady year-round business for lunch & dinner as well as a bump before and after each of 81 home games. Still, it sounds so huge that I'm worried about them staying in business. It will help the Moerlein brand immeasurably though, so even if the restaurant breaks even or loses money, it might still help the overall bottom line.  

 

Keep in mind the montgomery inn banquet center is no more, so this place fills that void as well. 

 

i wonder what the chances of getting Bengal's Line there instead of Dickman's?

Casey, there are photos of the clientele on the website.  If I wanted to get my drink on with orange girls and noxious perfume, I'd go there, because that's EXACTLY what it markets itself as.  And that's not my imagination. 

 

There's no need for silly name calling (hipsteratti?  Really?).  You seem to be taking my comments about a bar personally, and I'm having a hard time understanding why.

I think this location is going to be a lot better than Hofbrauhaus(sp?).  The H's outdoor patio has a nice view of a parking lot, this one will have a view of a park. 

 

Actually, Hofbrauhaus (you spelled it correctly, btw) has a nice view of downtown past NOTL from the outer third of the biergarten. 

 

I'm very excited about Moerlein's future plans.

Casey, there are photos of the clientele on the website.  If I wanted to get my drink on with orange girls and noxious perfume, I'd go there, because that's EXACTLY what it markets itself as.  And that's not my imagination. 

 

There's no need for silly name calling (hipsteratti?  Really?).  You seem to be taking my comments about a bar personally, and I'm having a hard time understanding why.

 

Hipsteratti can be both a term of derision as well as a compliment.  Wear it proud! ...and you were just fittiing the bill with the judgmental and uninformed attitude based on your perusal of the website (haven't seen it but will need to check it out!). 

 

Look, I am no more interested in hanging out with noxious perfume and orange-hued females than you are....then again, I have never been there outside of happy hour.  But if your opinion of bars is based solely on websites than that's your prerogative.  It just seems a tad bit uninformed, to put it mildly.

 

I think we're a lot more in agreement than you suspect, but the desperate attempts to establish indie cred ring decidedly hollow in the absence of any personal interaction with the subject matter in question.

 

I don't take it personally at all....just like to spice it up.  Come on. I'll buy you a beer.

I think this location is going to be a lot better than Hofbrauhaus(sp?). The H's outdoor patio has a nice view of a parking lot, this one will have a view of a park.

 

Actually, Hofbrauhaus (you spelled it correctly, btw) has a nice view of downtown past NOTL from the outer third of the biergarten.

 

I'm very excited about Moerlein's future plans.

 

I would like to see, during Riverfest a team from the Moerlien Beer Garden and a team from Hofbrauhaus each parade from their respective beer gardens to the midpoint of the Taylor Southgate Bridge where they engage in a tug of war contest.

Regarding the Righteous Room, I've only been there twice, but I've enjoyed myself both times and this isn't typically my kind of place.  Oh, and happy hour there is VERY different than a Saturday night, if my two experiences are indicative of the norm.

I think this location is going to be a lot better than Hofbrauhaus(sp?). The H's outdoor patio has a nice view of a parking lot, this one will have a view of a park.

 

Actually, Hofbrauhaus (you spelled it correctly, btw) has a nice view of downtown past NOTL from the outer third of the biergarten.

 

I'm very excited about Moerlein's future plans.

 

I would like to see, during Riverfest a team from the Moerlien Beer Garden and a team from Hofbrauhaus each parade from their respective beer gardens to the midpoint of the Taylor Southgate Bridge where they engage in a tug of war contest.

 

LOL.  I love that idea!  Actually, I'd like to see beer gardens return to popularity in Cincinnati.  They're typically my favorite places to drink if I'm out for more than a few hours.

Casey, there are photos of the clientele on the website.  If I wanted to get my drink on with orange girls and noxious perfume, I'd go there, because that's EXACTLY what it markets itself as.  And that's not my imagination. 

 

There's no need for silly name calling (hipsteratti?  Really?).  You seem to be taking my comments about a bar personally, and I'm having a hard time understanding why.

 

Hipsteratti can be both a term of derision as well as a compliment.  Wear it proud! ...and you were just fittiing the bill with the judgmental and uninformed attitude based on your perusal of the website (haven't seen it but will need to check it out!). 

 

Look, I am no more interested in hanging out with noxious perfume and orange-hued females than you are....then again, I have never been there outside of happy hour.  But if your opinion of bars is based solely on websites than that's your prerogative.  It just seems a tad bit uninformed, to put it mildly.

 

I think we're a lot more in agreement than you suspect, but the desperate attempts to establish indie cred ring decidedly hollow in the absence of any personal interaction with the subject matter in question.

 

I don't take it personally at all....just like to spice it up.  Come on. I'll buy you a beer.

 

What is about my posts that makes you think I'm trying to establish some sort of "cred"?  You're reading WAAAAAY too much into what I'm typing.  I like my bars to be little holes in the wall with poor lighting and a quiet clientele.  I like to be able to talk to whomever I'm with, instead of listening to some bullsh!t music that some 21 year old girl payed $1 on the touchscreen "jukebox."  I'm not saying that the Righteous Room fits the bill for that kind of establishment, but from the pics on the website, I can see that it's getting there.

 

But hey, if you're buyin', I'll be there.  :)

But hey, if you're buyin', I'll be there

 

next time...headed to grammer's later (with the hipsteratti!)

I actually haven't been to Grammer's yet.  I know it's the current hipster hotspot, which is probably why I've been dragging my feet.  I can only handle so many ironic mustaches drinking PBR out of a can at one time.  The place looks gorgeous, though.

 

 

Dear Jayson:

 

Thanks for your email and kind words. We really appreciate the support.

 

Please keep supporting our beer and possibly a dream can come true as outlined below.

 

Kindest regards,

Greg Hardman

President

Christian Moerlein Brewing Company

 

I remember hearing about this a few weeks ago.  I just wish they'd brew it here, though.  How cool would that be?

 

Holy crap. Thanks for asking Jayson, I credit you for bringing them down here :D

There is a decent potential that once The Banks and CRP are complete that Oktoberfest will be moved to the CRP and become a two-week long event.  It's already the largest Oktoberfest celebration in the world outside of Munich, and this would make it even bigger.  Who will be the beer/brewing establishment with a permanent location right in the middle of it all - Christian Moerlein.

 

I like Hofbrauhaus and all, but it's location doesn't hold its own against the Moerlein Lager House, plus the Moerlein Lager House will be bigger inside and outside, brew more, have far superior views, and have more amenities/features.  One thing in Hofbrauhaus' favor though is they did land a nice tax break from Kentucky...so I guess they can hang their hat on that.

^ Not to nitpick but the Toronto suburbs and Blumenau, Brazil both claim higher Oktoberfest attendance (over 700,000). So, at best Cincinnati is 4th largest.

 

But I agree that an Oktoberfest along the riverfront would be a great improvement. The biggest thing that Cincinnati is missing is the ability to shut down streets for longer than a weekend. It really needs to be a week long thing.

 

I also agree that this proposed Moerlein Lager House will have a superior location to Hofbrau - but everything else is just speculative at this point. We have no idea if they'll be able to run a decent restaurant. It's a rough business and not everyone can do it. (And frankly, it's not like Moerlein has the best brand equity in the world. It's not an awful beer, but it's not the greatest either. And I know a lot of people don't really care for it - especially compared to imports and superior craft brews). So who really knows what's going to happen until it happens. We shall see. 

Christian Moerlein labels are great, but Burger, Little Kings, and Hudepol (I think those are under the CM umbrella) is/was terrible.  They may serve a niche but that niche definitely isn't quality beer.

Moerlein reunion first for family

By Cliff Radel, The Cincinnati Enquirer

September 5, 2009

 

Old Cincinnati Germans worshipped God, family and beer. And not always in that order.

 

All three elements of this home-brewed trinity headline today's first-ever family reunion of Christian Moerlein's descendents.

 

Relatives of the 19th-century Cincinnati beer baron begin the day pouring over a 12-foot family tree in the reception hall of Philippus United Church of Christ, an Over-the-Rhine landmark for 118 years.

 

Full article

As long as this doesn't repeat the mistakes made by Oldenburg Brewery at the beginning of the craft brew revolution. To see what happened head to the Montgomery Inn @ Buttermilk Pike. That was a really big micro-brewery once upon a time. This would seem to be a fantastic addition to the waterfront.

One thing in Hofbrauhaus' favor though is they did land a nice tax break from Kentucky...so I guess they can hang their hat on that.

 

That and the fact that they've been making money in a good (though not perfect) location for almost a decade... :roll:  Anyone remember what downtown was like ten years ago?  It's come a long way, and I don't blame Hofbrauhaus for opening in KY instead.  I've got to believe it was their second choice, as Hofbrauhaus Zinzinnati merch would have sold far better than Hofbrauhaus Newport.  And now it looks like we'll have a sweet new Moerlein beer garden where Hofbrau wanted to be originally, and we still have Hofbrau across the river.  Everybody wins.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that we'll have two kick ass brewpubs like this, but they took the Newport location for the tax breaks that were offered.  That short-sightedness is going to hurt them long-term once this behemoth is built.

^True, but where were they going to build?  I'd always heard that they were interested in The Banks specifically, which wasn't anywhere close to breaking ground at the time.  Downtown was basically a ghost town after 5pm in the late 90s, so that wasn't an attractive option.  Other than pushing further inland into Ohio or waiting for a decade, I don't see how they had another option.  Was there another site which they stopped pursuing because Newport swooped in?

 

//Edit: Thank God they didn't end up in Mason!

Moerlein Lager House to anchor Central Riverfront Park

http://www.soapboxmedia.com/devnews/0908moerleinlagerhouse.aspx

 

As the massive Central Riverfront Park development moves forward there are sure to be more announcements made, but none may match up to the excitement generated about plans for the Moerlein Lager House that will anchor the first phase of the 45 acre riverfront park.

 

The new restaurant and beer garden will be built along Main Street near Great American Ball Park and will be up to 15,000 square feet with enough room for 500 inside and another 600 outside in the beer garden area.  The Moerlein Lager House will be three stories in height and feature a green roof, balconies and terraces with views of the new Central Riverfront Park, Ohio River, Roebling Suspension Bridge and Great American Ball Park.

 

"It is a continued collaboration between the Cincinnati Park Board and Christian Moerlein Brewing Company to enhance green and LEED certified initiatives as responsible business practices," says Christian Moerlein Brewing Company owner Greg Hardman, who also notes that the building will have geothermal capability.

 

Once complete, the Moerlein Lager House will employ 200 people and become Cincinnati's largest brewpub in terms of capacity and the annual production of 5,000 barrels of Christian Moerlein beer at the Lager House.  The Moerlein Lager House will be leasing the land from the Cincinnati Park Board and will be announcing project costs and additional details in coming weeks.

 

Hardman is also planning tours of the massive brewpub.  "We will have both self-guided and regularly scheduled tours that will be free and explain the brewing process and Cincinnati's grand brewing history of which Christian Moerlein is a significant part of," says Hardman.

 

Hardman believes that increased tourism along the riverfront can be a major economic driver for the region and Moerlein's role in Cincinnati history will play its part.

 

"Christian Moerlein has had a grand brewing history in the Over-the-Rhine Brewery District; he also used the riverfront as an important tool for trade to expand distribution and sell his beer to places like New Orleans, Panama, Puerto Rico and other parts of the world.  The direct connection from OTR to the riverfront is one that links our authentic heritage and we believe will help increase heritage tourism in Cincinnati just like it has been done in so many cities around the world."

 

Hardman goes on to discuss the importance of having a local brew readily available for those visiting from out-of-town for Reds and Bengals games, the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center and the other host of festivals and events held nearby including the largest Oktoberfest celebration in the world outside of Munich.

 

Hardman believes that, "it's a proud moment in Cincinnati brewing history when you can recapture the direct connection between our grand brewing heritage and today's craft beer movement through Christian Moerlein."

^ So, wait...How is that not posting the whole article?  The big red box at the top of the page tells me I'm not allowed to do that, so...

Because it's his article.

^ So, wait...How is that not posting the whole article?  The big red box at the top of the page tells me I'm not allowed to do that, so...

 

Yeah, I'm a writer for Soapbox Cincinnati.  Our editorial staff has no issues with cross-posting articles in such a way.

Classic Hudy 14K to again quench thirsts

 

http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2009/09/07/daily14.html