Pics from my bike commute this morning (hence the meh quality) #cranes

 

 

Edited August 15, 20195 yr by GISguy

3 tower cranes up in the city of Cleveland right now. 

31 minutes ago, Terdolph said:

I like the current twin cylinders a lot better.

As someone whose wife works at Metro, the cylinders are cool but the interior layout is an absolute nightmare. This building will improve that hospital in alot of ways. Though one way it may not improve is by it's reduction of beds. That's to be seen. 

Edited August 15, 20195 yr by KFM44107

MetroHealth's cylinders on Google Maps...

 

 

Yeah, I'm mature.

Edited August 15, 20195 yr by jam40jeff

@jam40jeff Reminds me of that scene in Austin Powers...

Tower Construction Cam...

 

http://webcampub.multivista.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=aPublicWebcam.page&WebcamPublicPageUID=6D71A45A-9DFC-4EDF-AF96-EF35ED0D1C41

What a transformational project this will be for Cleveland.

So for whatever reason i didnt think this project was going to start so soon..  they are not messing around and its wonderful!!!

Cool little event. There were VR headsets to take a virtual tour of the new hospital. Construction manager from Turner was present as well as various other people involved in the project. The bed tower will consist of single patient rooms, no more shared rooms.The ER building will remain, and connect to the new tower. The ER building will also house nicu/pediatric related specialties with a rooftop garden for patients. The plan to tear down the outpatient facilities and integrate outpatient services throughout the county in communities sounds interesting, but nervous about their plans with the park and connectivity to the rest of the neighborhood. One of the speakers stressed the lack of green space in Clark-Fulton, which is true... but some grass and trees do not benefit anyone.  

4 hours ago, KFM44107 said:

As someone whose wife works at Metro, the cylinders are cool but the interior layout is an absolute nightmare. This building will improve that hospital in alot of ways. Though one way it may not improve is by it's reduction of beds. That's to be seen. 

 

It was mentioned that as healthcare changes, and technology improves the need for beds is declining. Many procedures can be performed as outpatient. Doctors can look at many things endoscopically now, and don’t have to cut people open. Shared beds in rooms also have a lot of detractors, including patient health & recovery. Etc. etc. Don’t cite me though, I’m not a doctor haha. This was just part of the spiel. 

7 minutes ago, imjustinjk said:

 

It was mentioned that as healthcare changes, and technology improves the need for beds is declining. Many procedures can be performed as outpatient. Doctors can look at many things endoscopically now, and don’t have to cut people open. Shared beds in rooms also have a lot of detractors, including patient health & recovery. Etc. etc. Don’t cite me though, I’m not a doctor haha. This was just part of the spiel. 

 

This is true, it was a big factor in the Lakewood Hospital closure.

Friday 08.16.19

 

 

On 8/15/2019 at 8:56 PM, imjustinjk said:

 

It was mentioned that as healthcare changes, and technology improves the need for beds is declining. Many procedures can be performed as outpatient. Doctors can look at many things endoscopically now, and don’t have to cut people open. Shared beds in rooms also have a lot of detractors, including patient health & recovery. Etc. etc. Don’t cite me though, I’m not a doctor haha. This was just part of the spiel. 

 

Those are all true statements. However, they are not the reasons why Metro is downsizing. For years, Metro has been trying to compete with UH and the Cleveland Clinic for inpatient procedures... and losing. Especially now that UH is also a Level 1 Trauma center, Metro's trauma volume has gone down by almost 40% according to some sources. This is a reflection of having 3 major medical centers in a city and region with a shrinking population. At some point, one of the systems has to buckle, and it just happens to be Metro. To try to counter the lower patient volume, Metro is downsizing its inpatient capacity and focusing on outpatient procedures, which is cheaper to provide. Ultimately though, there are talks that the Clinic may eventually buy out Metro since the latter is constantly losing money. That would be consistent with the Clinic's goal of wiping out UH - they already took the medical school from UH, and if the Clinic joins hands with Metro to provide Level 1 trauma services, UH is pretty screwed. Healthcare politics is a pretty nasty business, especially in today's market forces.  

12 hours ago, clevelandspirit said:

 

Those are all true statements. However, they are not the reasons why Metro is downsizing. For years, Metro has been trying to compete with UH and the Cleveland Clinic for inpatient procedures... and losing. Especially now that UH is also a Level 1 Trauma center, Metro's trauma volume has gone down by almost 40% according to some sources. This is a reflection of having 3 major medical centers in a city and region with a shrinking population. At some point, one of the systems has to buckle, and it just happens to be Metro. To try to counter the lower patient volume, Metro is downsizing its inpatient capacity and focusing on outpatient procedures, which is cheaper to provide. Ultimately though, there are talks that the Clinic may eventually buy out Metro since the latter is constantly losing money. That would be consistent with the Clinic's goal of wiping out UH - they already took the medical school from UH, and if the Clinic joins hands with Metro to provide Level 1 trauma services, UH is pretty screwed. Healthcare politics is a pretty nasty business, especially in today's market forces.  

Meh. I thought the purpose of Metro - as a public hospital - is meant to serve all residents of Cuayhoga County, not make a profit like pseudo non-profits CCF and UH. I'm not in the mix, but I really doubt it'd be possible (or even legal) for CC to buy them out. The campus right now is built for medical care of years past, much like many buildings in town aren't built for modern offices with wifi, data cable runs, etc., and it's a much needed upgrade.

Metro’s as financially healthy as it’s been in years. That’s a false narrative.

“Constantly losing money” ?

 

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20180216/NEWS/180219924/metrohealth-s-finances-are-looking-good

Edited August 20, 20195 yr by marty15

2 minutes ago, marty15 said:

“Constantly losing money” ?

 

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20180216/NEWS/180219924/metrohealth-s-finances-are-looking-good

 

Exactly the point I wanted to try and make but wanted to try and keep things development related, thanks for providing documentation. @clevelandspirit care to counter? 

Not to mention... Why would the clinic buy metro when metro provides an easy way for them to avoid financially challenging patients? CCF dropped pretty much all the Obamacare and Medicaid plans (except Oscar) and all those patients go to Metro.

52 minutes ago, mu2010 said:

Not to mention... Why would the clinic buy metro when metro provides an easy way for them to avoid financially challenging patients? CCF dropped pretty much all the Obamacare and Medicaid plans (except Oscar) and all those patients go to Metro.

I used to work at CCF in the mid-80's. At that time, Huron Road, Euclid, Suburban, St. Luke's, Mount Sinai, St. Vincent's, Lutheran, etc. were independent. Since then, some have closed and those that remain are CCF or UH owned and operated, including independent medical practices. Expect CLE to become a dual health system town.

5 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

I used to work at CCF in the mid-80's. At that time, Huron Road, Euclid, Suburban, St. Luke's, Mount Sinai, St. Vincent's, Lutheran, etc. were independent. Since then, some have closed and those that remain are CCF or UH owned and operated, including independent medical practices. Expect CLE to become a dual health system town.

 

All of that is true, except the examples were independent nonprofits, not a county owned safety net. If Cleveland goes to two systems I would surmise that the clinic would acquire UH, not Metro. UH is the one going through an identity crisis at the moment. And I am not trying to pile on UH, I like UH, but it's true.

Edited August 20, 20195 yr by mu2010

The biggest wave of patients are the baby-boomers, with Medicare-Advantage HMO plans. These are all-inclusive plans (PCP, specialist, hospital, pharmacy, diagnostics). CCF and UH provide services to accommodate those plans. If they obtain dual-eligibles (Medicare + Medicaid), they even make more money for patient management.

Edited August 20, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder

Do not assume that health systems lose money on Medicaid patients. Reimbursements do tend to be lower.

 

They simply don't necessarily make as much as they do with commercial or MC plans, or private-pay.

Each Medicare Advantage HMO Benefit Plan is county-specific.  Cuyahoga County is not there yet, but take Miami-Dade as an example. MCA HMO Plans cover PCPs, Specialists, prescriptions, OTC, hospitals, dental, vision, transportation, podiatry, with "0" co-pays, and they even give patients $133/mo back into their Social Security check This is the extreme because of the senior population volume and market dynamics. Broward County's benefits are less and Palm Beach County, less still.

 

Bottom line, CCF and UH will prosper from MCA HMO plan office visits/hospitalizations. MetroHealth will as well.  It's just a matter of degree.

 

Metro isn't building a new campus because they're losing money.

Coming N on 71, to Pearl. I'll take a picture from Old Brooklyn, its hulking when approaching the city from the neighborhood on Pearl. 

^Please, do not take photos if you are driving. The Admins and owners of the forum in no way, shape or form encourage or endorse that.

 

With that, today from the Gateway/Casino parking garage.

The towers are dated and not financially salvageable at this point. Metro is hemorrhaging money keeping them open. Boutros is doing wonders for Metro. Beginning next year employees and their families will not pay a dime for any health service beyond their monthly healthcare premium. 

MetroHealth’s progressive culture has me really impressed.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/09/twenty-metrohealth-employees-to-attend-cleveland-rising-summit-on-company-time.html

Once those towers go, I was technically never born. Rip tasty.

4 hours ago, Sapper Daddy said:

MetroHealth’s progressive culture has me really impressed.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/09/twenty-metrohealth-employees-to-attend-cleveland-rising-summit-on-company-time.html

I just visited with an old friend who works for Metro and Cleveland Clinic. She had a lot of glowingly nice things to say about Metro. 

I was in the neighborhood yesterday and am happy to report that are there are steel beams in the air just off W. 25th for the forthcoming "hospital in the park."  So far, just one corner of one floor, but we're above ground.  Couldn't take pictures because I was in a rush and traffic is an absolute disaster from W. 25th/Lorain all the way to the 71 interchange, but progress is being made.

 

Also, this week's Scene magazine has an front page story on the effect this project will have on the nearby Clark/Fulton neighborhood.  Just skimmed it so far, but should be interesting reading.

Hate to be such a tease, but I was in the neighborhood again yesterday, and they're really making some progress on the new hospital.  The elevator shafts are now about 4-5 stories in the air and the first floor steel work has expanded significantly across the construction site.

 

One of these days, I'm going to try and find a place to park around there and snap a few pics.  I'm an east sider, so it may be awhile but work occasionally takes me at or near the W. 25th/I-71 area.

Cranes in the air on a beautiful Tuesday morning down at metro.

Steelyard Views

On 9/12/2019 at 5:55 PM, surfohio said:

I just visited with an old friend who works for Metro and Cleveland Clinic. She had a lot of glowingly nice things to say about Metro. 

My wife just interviewed at Metro and was really really impressed by the people and the organization as a whole. 

Is this the same hospital that was once Metro General? My much older sister went to nursing school there in the early 60's, when most RN's didn't yet go to 4-year colleges. I don't think they still have a nursing school, do they? My father (along with the entire family) drove her there on Sunday afternoon (she would come home on Friday night), and I remember crossing the bridge and how the area was choked with pollution. I also remember her graduation. I think it was at the nursing school residence, a beautiful old building which I imagine still exists. But I do remember when those round towers (which apparently everyone hates) were built, which came many years later (early 70's I think)

 

18 minutes ago, eastvillagedon said:

Is this the same hospital that was once Metro General? My much older sister went to nursing school there in the early 60's, when most RN's didn't yet go to 4-year colleges. I don't think they still have a nursing school, do they? My father (along with the entire family) drove her there on Sunday afternoon (she would come home on Friday night), and I remember crossing the bridge and how the area was choked with pollution. I also remember her graduation. I think it was at the nursing school residence, a beautiful old building which I imagine still exists. But I do remember when those round towers (which apparently everyone hates) were built, which came many years later (early 70's I think)

 

Yes. Same hospital. I don't think they have their own nursing school anymore but they are a "teaching hospital." 

46 minutes ago, Ruken said:

My wife just interviewed at Metro and was really really impressed by the people and the organization as a whole. 

From what i understand, it is a great place to work.  

17 minutes ago, freefourur said:

Yes. Same hospital. I don't think they have their own nursing school anymore but they are a "teaching hospital." 

 

I'm not clear on what neighborhood that is. Is it Tremont? Ohio City? My sister would talk about going to the West Side Market and taking the bus downtown (via W. 25th St, I think). I remember she started out at Mt. Sinai Hospital (which is long gone) nursing school  but transferred after a year. My brother and I were suspicious of why she did that. We never got a clear answer. I think she once suggested she wasn't able to continue there  because she wasn't Jewish. lol. ?

Edited November 8, 20195 yr by eastvillagedon

6 minutes ago, eastvillagedon said:

 

I'm not clear on what neighborhood that is. Is it Tremont? Ohio City? My sister would talk about going to the West Side Market and taking the bus downtown (via W. 25th St, I think). I remember she started out at Mt. Sinai Hospital (which is long gone) nursing school  but transferred after a year. My brother and I were suspicious of why she did that. We never got a clear answer. I think she once suggested she wasn't able to continue there  because she wasn't Jewish. lol. ?

I think it is Clark-Fulton. 

One does not simply make a trip to MetroHealth without snapping some construction progress pics.

From today, if someone wants to photoshop beautiful blue skies, god speed lol

 

Ps- I was parked in a no parking zone so wanted to make it snappy and didn't have the best vantage point. I'd recommend getting into one of the parking garages and getting a view down on the site, it seems the one looks right over it.

Edited December 17, 20195 yr by GISguy

Are you a realtor with Keller Williams? I know they have a program that can easily add blue skies to all of their listings' photos. ?

 

EDIT: not a joke, @infrafreak. They really do have such a program. 

Edited December 17, 20195 yr by KJP

1 hour ago, KJP said:

Are you a realtor with Keller Williams? I know they have a program that can easily add blue skies to all of their listings' photos. ?

No, just used the Pixaloop app. It’s super simple to use.

 

Edited December 17, 20195 yr by infrafreak
who needs 1 image when you can have 2

^^ Is it just me, or does that elevator core look a little like the Leaning Tower of Pisa? ?

51 minutes ago, cle25 said:

^^ Is it just me, or does that elevator core look a little like the Leaning Tower of Pisa? ?

 

I was thinking a gale off Lake Erie could send that thing tumbling down.

 

BTW, this could go here or in the Clark-Metro thread......

 

 

Edited December 17, 20195 yr by KJP

1 hour ago, cle25 said:

^^ Is it just me, or does that elevator core look a little like the Leaning Tower of Pisa? ?

 

I'm thinking that is a stair tower.  But true the perspective does give it a leaning appearance.

1 hour ago, Firenze98 said:

 

I'm thinking that is a stair tower.  But true the perspective does give it a leaning appearance.

You can't tell from the crappy gray canvas, but indeed it is a stair tower. The leaning tower of metro lol. It was a regular lens (not fisheye) so, it isn't distorted or anything from the photo standpoint. If anything, it could just be a bad angle when it comes to comparing to buildings in the background?