23 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Since Artist are moving in this will be the next hot area based on trends


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Artists have lived and worked in this neighborhood for 40 years+. Ingenuity went to the neighborhood because artists were there, they didn't follow ingenuity. Brownhoist is only capitalizing on an under known asset. 

 

This is really the beginning of the end for artists in this neighborhood. 

Edited May 27, 20232 yr by scg80

On 5/27/2023 at 12:10 PM, Barneyboy said:

Another portion of the Brown Hoist complex was this building designed by J. Milton Dyer (Cleveland City Hall, Cleveland Athletic Club, Coast Guard Station, Tavern Club, etc.). Although it's currently used only as a warehouse, which fortunately means it's being maintained and not decaying, I wonder if this migration from the Art Craft Bldg. can provide as a catalyst in transforming this very impressive structure as well. Hamilton Ave. is a dense, narrow street that, although tattered and rough looking now, has great potential.

 

There are quite a few photos on the google maps page for this, also their website is surprisingly decent (https://www.clevelandindustrial.com/ci/photos/). 

 

A couple from the site: 

 

 

Went to the Open House. If the cider guys are smart they'll move the production across the street and maintain the "geekeasy" in the basement of the Brownhoist. The new owner would be smart to keep it there too. Wonderful space. Maybe just a little tidying up needed.

A renovation may be in the offing for this cool, old building

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5209618,-81.6489033,3a,75y,56.65h,88.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syx5KXJ7jbc78ZUA9ZeJ-gg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

On 5/30/2023 at 7:07 PM, MVH said:

Went to the Open House. If the cider guys are smart they'll move the production across the street and maintain the "geekeasy" in the basement of the Brownhoist. The new owner would be smart to keep it there too. Wonderful space. Maybe just a little tidying up needed.

Went to an open house there as well! What a neat building, much of it is in pretty solid condition. They're actively looking for tenants for artists/small businesses. Could be a really cool space. Also Brownhoist Cider is really great, they are moving across the street but will keep the basement space for events.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

A renovation may be in the offing for this cool, old building

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5209618,-81.6489033,3a,75y,56.65h,88.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syx5KXJ7jbc78ZUA9ZeJ-gg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Ah yes, the old "Bonna Hookups & Variety" store. I wonder if it has anything to do with the church.

Who wants to go?

 

http:// https://www.bikecleveland.org/bike-cle/news/open-house-midway/2023/10/


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On 10/19/2023 at 10:25 AM, ASP1984 said:

Who wants to go?

 

http:// https://www.bikecleveland.org/bike-cle/news/open-house-midway/2023/10/


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I'm going to try and make it over, anyone else going?

I can't make it, but hopefully someone asks if they've given any thought to the section between public square and the Detroit-Superior bridge. I realize it's technically out of their scope, but it seems really dumb to have a great bike path over the bridge (which connects to the Lakefront Bikeway pretty well) build this new nice bike trail all the way to E55, and then not even have consistent bike lanes for the few blocks between the two. 

Midway meeting postponed until 11/14 6PM at RED Space.

On 10/23/2023 at 11:47 AM, Ethan said:

I can't make it, but hopefully someone asks if they've given any thought to the section between public square and the Detroit-Superior bridge. I realize it's technically out of their scope, but it seems really dumb to have a great bike path over the bridge (which connects to the Lakefront Bikeway pretty well) build this new nice bike trail all the way to E55, and then not even have consistent bike lanes for the few blocks between the two. 

How about when you get to East 55th, which is the most dangerous street in the city? Not having a plan for this and beyond is just so silly. 50 million dollar bike infrastructure that just ends. We could do so much more with that money if we weren't over-engineering this thing.

Where did you see that E 55th is the most dangerous street in the city?

 

I think it’s a nice ending location that could eventually tie in to the CHEERS work or be connected further east into University Circle. 
 

According to bikecleveland.org/midway it looks like that’s the plan (although who knows what timing and funding looks like)

 

It has to end somewhere… and wherever it ends won’t have protected bike lanes (yet). 

Bike Cleveland is working to establish some greenway routes for the terminus of the Midway. That said, @noname has a point - that area of 55/Superior is a pretty crappy end. There's really no immediate saving of that section of Superior (where the road narrows and turns into a speedway), and 55 has a ton of Bike/Ped-Car incidents compared to other streets. Bike Cleveland also proposed some infrastructure on that road but not sure the city took it. 

 

I think there's a better chance of the greenway (to continue the West-East route towards UC) getting traction over protected bike lanes on Superior or 55th. 

 

55 is a true N-S route, it's a shame that it's only seen from a car centric perspective - it's wide enough to have bike lanes (I'll take it as a route into SV from StC-Sup) and also ties into the "bike path" on the OC and of course, in the future, CHEERS.

 

The east side doesn't have many true streets that go from the lake to SV and the like, 55/79 should both be beefed up with more bike infra. Which funny, 79 just got repaved from Quincy-ish to Woodland and the city dropped some sharrows on it, so that shows priorities.

2 hours ago, noname said:

How about when you get to East 55th, which is the most dangerous street in the city? Not having a plan for this and beyond is just so silly. 50 million dollar bike infrastructure that just ends. We could do so much more with that money if we weren't over-engineering this thing.

I agree with @HenkeIt has to end somewhere, E55 seems like as good a place as any, as it's basically the North-South spine of Midtown.

 

The other reason for stopping at E55, is that the road narrows East of 55th. It goes from about 7 lanes wide to about 5 lanes wide, so it is much less overbuilt after this point.

 

They could (and probably should) add more bike lanes to Superior east of the midline as a connection, ideally all the way to Cleveland Heights, but that's several miles of road that needs to be redone, which is a much larger task than redoing a few blocks, and the payoff is lower as you're not connecting two different bike lanes. While I'd like it to happen eventually, I don't think it should be prioritized as highly as those few blocks downtown. 

 

3 minutes ago, GISguy said:

I think there's a better chance of the greenway (to continue the West-East route towards UC) getting traction over protected bike lanes on Superior or 55th. 

What Greenway are you referencing here? 

21 minutes ago, Ethan said:

What Greenway are you referencing here? 

 

https://www.clevelandmetroparks.com/getmedia/1ea77c3b-ef0e-4b4b-a5b7-57ace72326a6/RLG_Map_May-2021.pdf.ashx

I replied in the Cleveland bicycling discussion thread since this was getting a bit off topic for this thread. 

All im saying is every peer city, even Youngstown Ohio, is building far less expensive bike infrastructure at a quicker pace. By the rate we're going, we won't even have 5 miles by 2030. All we really need is a thin strip of concrete and some basic traffic engineering plans to do this stuff. Doesn't help that the city keeps resurfacing main roads without considering low-cost solutions like these.

Detailed Design of the Superior Bikeway is complete, and there was a presentation/open house last night (Tuesday Nov. 14).

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/11/clevelands-long-awaited-245m-midway-bikeway-on-superior-avenue-enters-final-detailed-design-process.html

 

All of the detailed PDFs can be found here: https://www.clevelandmidway.com/resources

 

$25 million price tag with expected start of construction in 2025!

^ This can’t happen soon enough. For me, one of the most transformational projects on the books. I don’t even own a bike!

I can't tell why the Superior Bikeway doesn't  continue through Public Square. Clearly this could have been incorporated with only buses and the midway bike lanes added. Someone should stop the bollard design 

Very first post about feedback I see on twitter features parking complaints (fourth image) so hopefully they don't end up cutting out all the landscaping or bus lanes for parking demands
https://x.com/PhilTKidd/status/1724614469488160888?s=20

16 minutes ago, gpodawund said:

Very first post about feedback I see on twitter features parking complaints (fourth image) so hopefully they don't end up cutting out all the landscaping or bus lanes for parking demands
https://x.com/PhilTKidd/status/1724614469488160888?s=20

 

Yeah, but I will admit that local businesses along Superior have rightful cause to be fearful of losing all parking along this stretch. Coming from an urban planner who loves multi-model development as much as the next guy... and for as great as this design will be... it is going to be a nightmare for drivers. I really hope they've considered some degree of on-street parking along this stretch, or are at least coordinating with property owners to ensure there is adequate parking immediately off Superior / on side streets. Otherwise, what are retail businesses going to do? Not everyone is going to bike commute or take the bus, regardless of the uptick. 

 

Edited November 16, 20231 yr by ASP1984

The site plan shows really wide sidewalks with a grass strip/tree lawn. Why not put street parking there instead. It wouldn't have to be every block. The same style is done on Euclid and it works well.

9 minutes ago, Mendo said:

The site plan shows really wide sidewalks with a grass strip/tree lawn. Why not put street parking there instead. It wouldn't have to be every block. The same style is done on Euclid and it works well.

 

Yeah, provided they pick the chunks of it with just grass and no trees I'd be down with that compromise. Just don't want to see something good get watered down to something mediocre. I get the business owner concerns though.

I agree that this needs to incorporate onstreet parking. Big mistake and not in touch with the realities of the area if it's removed. There appears to be enough right-of-way to incorporate these improvements and also have parking. It could be done similar to what is in front of the Langston on Chester.

I was at the Open House.

 

Many of these businesses belong out in an industrial park somewhere, not in a city trying to attract residents and a healthy variety of small enterprises conducive to a functioning, 'vibrant' community. Go by Safeway Tire one of these days. It's a junkyard with vehicles all over the street, blocking the sidewalk, etc. The owners are probably several generations removed from the founders, probably live in the exurbs, (or Florida,) and pay their employees peanuts. Are they contributing, or are they keeping Cleveland stuck in 1950?

 

Some of these businesses (not all) are exactly the type of abusive land uses that became the "expected way to treat a city" when cars destroyed our neighborhoods for suburban and now exurban sprawl. I mean I can't generate much sympathy. Gas stations, towing, literal junk yards posing as repair shops, an actual race car repair school, tires, (ever look behind these tire shops at the tire fire waiting to happen?)

 

Some barber /beauty shops and even a business not on Superior were just there to get all car-brained. These smaller places would benefit from more pedestrians and cyclists. I didn't notice any restaurant owners. Perhaps they realize the benefits? Maybe we'll see a bike shop on the east side for a change?

 

Keeping Superior or any of Cleveland Streets designed to prioritize getting the hell out of Cleveland is not moving us forward. Lets have the State or city pay them to move, so the land can be redeveloped into something that prioritizes society and civilization.

Oh I agree Superior is full of awful land uses and I'd like the city to tell those owners to go pound salt. All in favor of doing away with access drives, curb cuts, and perpendicular parking in front of buildings. If it were up to me I'd reduce Superior to two lanes in each direction, one for travel and one for parking (with intersection bump-outs). No need for that dedicated bus lane (I'd save that space for a future streetcar 😁). Frankly, Superior Ave has very little traffic so bus traffic is not a real concern. Unfortunatley it also doesn't have the density to support businesses on pedestrian and bike traffic alone IMO.

Edited November 17, 20231 yr by Rustbelter

To be fair, Superior Avenue doesn't get much street parking usage as it already is. The amount of cars that park currently on Superior Ave, especially outside of Downtown is relatively small and can easily be diverted to the side Streets.

I mentioned culture change in another thread and this is another example of that. Make the area served extremely attractive to visit and frequent, while shifting away from a car centric street and offering QUALITY transportation modes and this could work as is. Mindset change has to start somewhere.

As Superior gets more popular and construction pops up, fill it with SOME parking garages with retail that can support a structure on top.

TBH this is the perfect opportunity to add Light BRT to superior with the number 3 bus, something I felt should've been done, similar to Clifton.

At worst if you want to concede to the cars then you can copy Clifton and ban parking in the bus lane during peak hours and allow it at night/after peak hours.

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Superior doesn't get much street parking because it's underdeveloped and there are many businesses which have empty lots adjacent to them for parking. If this corridor ever becomes a dense urban nieghborhood with a proper urban fabric then you're going to need street parking in front of businesses. In this theoretical scenario the side streets are going to be residential and people are not going to want business patrons parking on their streets. As far as urban districts served by parking garages those aren't very common either, even in cities with densities way beyond what we see in Cleveland. I don't think I've ever seen a stretch of urban arterial this long in a US city with no street parking. I'm all for road diets and bike infrasturcture but these need to be realistic.

17 hours ago, MVH said:

I was at the Open House.

 

Many of these businesses belong out in an industrial park somewhere, not in a city trying to attract residents and a healthy variety of small enterprises conducive to a functioning, 'vibrant' community. Go by Safeway Tire one of these days. It's a junkyard with vehicles all over the street, blocking the sidewalk, etc. The owners are probably several generations removed from the founders, probably live in the exurbs, (or Florida,) and pay their employees peanuts. Are they contributing, or are they keeping Cleveland stuck in 1950?

 

Some of these businesses (not all) are exactly the type of abusive land uses that became the "expected way to treat a city" when cars destroyed our neighborhoods for suburban and now exurban sprawl. I mean I can't generate much sympathy. Gas stations, towing, literal junk yards posing as repair shops, an actual race car repair school, tires, (ever look behind these tire shops at the tire fire waiting to happen?)

 

Some barber /beauty shops and even a business not on Superior were just there to get all car-brained. These smaller places would benefit from more pedestrians and cyclists. I didn't notice any restaurant owners. Perhaps they realize the benefits? Maybe we'll see a bike shop on the east side for a change?

 

Keeping Superior or any of Cleveland Streets designed to prioritize getting the hell out of Cleveland is not moving us forward. Lets have the State or city pay them to move, so the land can be redeveloped into something that prioritizes society and civilization.

 

Hate to break it to you but this is quite an emotional take. Virtually every big city in America leaves room for some on-street parking on even their busiest, densest streets. I don't know what getting "all car-brained" means but it sure does sound like something a purist would say. If any new retail business wants to attract enough customers to survive some of those customers will be driving cars. This isn't the North End of Boston. You may not like it but that's how the world works. This plan is an overcorrection and needs to leave some room for on-street parking. Some does not mean all. There is a reasonable middle ground.

 

Edited November 17, 20231 yr by ASP1984

I was a bit skeptical of the mid way concept until I visited Tel-Aviv and saw the gorgeous bike mid ways they have there. What really sold me on them was the fantastic trees and how they shaded the whole street. Putting the bike lanes there made sense. It didn't feel like an afterthought, or a strange decision. 

 

 

However after seeing the actual proposed plan I'm less excited, and less sure about the proposal than I was. It just seems like it's trying to be too many things and please too many people. One of the first victims is the trees. In many areas the planting strips shrinks to a small width, (usually due to turn lanes) or disappears completely. It does this at basically every intersection. I'm probably exaggerating the problem, but without the trees I fall back into the camp of why is this in the median at all? 

 

Superior is a very wide street. It's certainly wider than it needs to be right now. But it's not wide enough for a dedicated bike median with trees, a bus lane, car traffic, and street parking. Something is going to have to give. The whole point of this rearrangement is for bikes, so it doesn't make sense for that to give. Trees can give, but then I don't see the benefit of having the bikes in the median at all. I don't know enough about the car traffic, bus traffic, or parking requirements down Superior, but honestly at least one, and probably two, of those is going to have to give for this street to be redone with a Nice bike focused median. Basically, we can't have it all. 

37 minutes ago, Ethan said:

I was a bit skeptical of the mid way concept until I visited Tel-Aviv and saw the gorgeous bike mid ways they have there. What really sold me on them was the fantastic trees and how they shaded the whole street. Putting the bike lanes there made sense. It didn't feel like an afterthought, or a strange decision. 

 

 

However after seeing the actual proposed plan I'm less excited, and less sure about the proposal than I was. It just seems like it's trying to be too many things and please too many people. One of the first victims is the trees. In many areas the planting strips shrinks to a small width, (usually due to turn lanes) or disappears completely. It does this at basically every intersection. I'm probably exaggerating the problem, but without the trees I fall back into the camp of why is this in the median at all? 

 

Superior is a very wide street. It's certainly wider than it needs to be right now. But it's not wide enough for a dedicated bike median with trees, a bus lane, car traffic, and street parking. Something is going to have to give. The whole point of this rearrangement is for bikes, so it doesn't make sense for that to give. Trees can give, but then I don't see the benefit of having the bikes in the median at all. I don't know enough about the car traffic, bus traffic, or parking requirements down Superior, but honestly at least one, and probably two, of those is going to have to give for this street to be redone with a Nice bike focused median. Basically, we can't have it all. 

 

Yeah I definitely agree with the cloistered feel of the plan. Idk maybe parking every other / every third block. Or simply a small handful every block between both sides of the street. I do appreciate the desire for a road diet, and more plantings to soften the experience. But perhaps if we can accept a more textured approach vs. one-size-fits-all down the entire stretch, we can accommodate most of what people want. For example, the benefit of including parking spaces base case is that it is inherently more flexible given the opportunity for parklets than no parking at all. It can be adjusted based on actual needs.

 

Edited November 17, 20231 yr by ASP1984

You can't eliminate all on-street parking. Any businesses and even residential are going to need to receive deliveries, and UPS, FedEx, Amazon and Door Dash don't park in back alleys, they park in front of the address with their flashers on.  If there is no parking spot, they park in the bus lane, in driveways, on the sidewalk, or wherever they can.  Euclid Ave. in midday is a good example. 

While there's a lot to like about the revamped Euclid Ave. they certainly created traffic issues where none existed previously.  Same with the Public Square redesign.  It can take forever to work your way through even when there's virtually no traffic.  

5 hours ago, ASP1984 said:

 

Hate to break it to you but this is quite an emotional take. Virtually every big city in America leaves room for some on-street parking on even their busiest, densest streets. I don't know what getting "all car-brained" means but it sure does sound like something a purist would say. If any new retail business wants to attract enough customers to survive some of those customers will be driving cars. This isn't the North End of Boston. You may not like it but that's how the world works. This plan is an overcorrection and needs to leave some room for on-street parking. Some does not mean all. There is a reasonable middle ground.

 

 

It may be an emotional take (do we not love cities?), but our cities are the result of choices, not some natural phenomena beyond human control. Urban realities are what we make them to be. American cities are not loved as much as we used to love them a century ago, not human oriented anymore and excessively car-centric and made dangerous for people. By choice. And yet we love the people-oriented places that endure or have been remade. What I do know from places like North Boston, U.S. Route 62 in Hambur, NY or even Crocker Park Boulevard in car-crazy Westlake is that streets can be places where humans can dominate and cars can be put in second or third place. If that's what you like in other cities, then the only thing stopping us from having it here is us.

North Boston Boston's North End and Crocker Park actually have street parking all over.  It's the travel lanes that they cut down on.

13 minutes ago, X said:

North Boston Boston's North End and Crocker Park actually have street parking all over.  It's the travel lanes that they cut down on.

 

Yep, and even more places to linger. I covered a public meeting where Crocker Park was being proposed and when Bob Stark suggested a street as a place to enjoy and linger, he got a few incredulous laughs from the Westlakers in the audience. 

7 hours ago, X said:

North Boston Boston's North End and Crocker Park actually have street parking all over.  It's the travel lanes that they cut down on.

I do find it funny that seemingly 3/4 of Crocker Park street parking now is some kind of bagged meter saving the spot for some business nearby.   

53 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

I do find it funny that seemingly 3/4 of Crocker Park street parking now is some kind of bagged meter saving the spot for some business nearby.   

 

That makes sense because when people are going to one particular store they usually want to park close to it.    This has always been a major advantage open air centers have over enclosed malls.

8 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Yep, and even more places to linger. I covered a public meeting where Crocker Park was being proposed and when Bob Stark suggested a street as a place to enjoy and linger, he got a few incredulous laughs from the Westlakers in the audience. 

 

The difference between lingering and loitering is largely semantics, and the latter has been the downfall of many enclosed malls.

You can't eliminate all on-street parking. Any businesses and even residential are going to need to receive deliveries, and UPS, FedEx, Amazon and Door Dash don't park in back alleys, they park in front of the address with their flashers on.  If there is no parking spot, they park in the bus lane, in driveways, on the sidewalk, or wherever they can.  Euclid Ave. in midday is a good example. 

Is it not possible to do cutouts like Euclid Avenue downtown or University Circle?

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The fifth image in the slideshow shows the curb lanes as BUS/PARKING/TURN lanes. I can’t see the whole plan in detail but perhaps there are areas of on street parking along the way?

11 hours ago, X said:

It's the travel lanes that they cut down on.

 

I really don't know why this concept needs dedicated bus lanes, one travel lane would be fine. If it were parking lanes instead it could have bump-outs for pedestrians which would make it overall better experience for walking. They could make exceptions at bus stop locations and at major turns. One of the least of Cleveland's problems is traffic congestion. 

Edited November 18, 20231 yr by Rustbelter

On topic, but different subject

 

Ingenuity Cleveland expansion shines a light on Northeast Ohio creative community

Ideastream Public Media | By Douglas J. Guth

Published November 17, 2023

 

An organization that supports and spotlights Cleveland's artist-entrepreneurs is growing. Ingenuity Cleveland, which launched in 2004 with its annual IngenuityFest get-together, is tripling the size of its year-round location at the Hamilton Collaborative in the St. Clair-Superior neighborhood.

 

In expanding the current 40,000-square-foot Ingenuity Labs, prospective tenants will enjoy an increased suite of services that encompasses studio space, partnership opportunities, and workshops on marketing and grant writing.

 

... 

 

Space at the incubator is available to artists, startups and entrepreneurs of all stripes. High demand for Ingenuity Cleveland’s services, alongside the re-tasking of artisan spaces as housing or municipal facilities, motivated the group to build out its current location, said Applebaum.

 

https://www.ideastream.org/community/2023-11-17/ingenuity-cleveland-expansion-shines-a-light-on-northeast-ohio-creative-community

I don't know why we're making this so complicated. Superior is a very wide street for the amount of traffic on it. The part east of E. 9th is pretty quiet. It does not need a dedicated bus lane. 

 

If the original idea was to open it to bikes/walking then do it right. Create something like @Ethan said which is a TREE lined, landscaped path. Every city that has done this correctly has created a functional AND beautiful path. Come on now Cleveland, it's there for the making. We have a super wide street with little traffic. Don't overthink it.

I don't believe anyone has mentioned the tree lawns, between the utility poles and the sidewalk through much of Superior Ave.

 

There's your "cut out" parking space. No doubt will be filled with "repair vehicles" just as many are parked in this space now.

 

As a designed parking area, some of it already exists such as at Tyler Village.

On 11/18/2023 at 10:59 PM, E Rocc said:

 

The difference between lingering and loitering is largely semantics, and the latter has been the downfall of many enclosed malls.

 

no it isnt. lingering is for a purpose like dining and shopping, loitering is literally the opposite, without purpose. 

 

and neither prolonged, nor were “the downfall of many enclosed malls.” thats fake news trumpspeak.

On 11/17/2023 at 7:23 PM, KJP said:

 

It may be an emotional take (do we not love cities?), but our cities are the result of choices, not some natural phenomena beyond human control. Urban realities are what we make them to be. American cities are not loved as much as we used to love them a century ago, not human oriented anymore and excessively car-centric and made dangerous for people. By choice. And yet we love the people-oriented places that endure or have been remade. What I do know from places like North Boston, U.S. Route 62 in Hambur, NY or even Crocker Park Boulevard in car-crazy Westlake is that streets can be places where humans can dominate and cars can be put in second or third place. If that's what you like in other cities, then the only thing stopping us from having it here is us.

 

You are right in that the only thing stopping us is us. Which, in Cleveland's case, is population. And in Superior's case, population density. Eliminating all on-street parking for a 30-block stretch while expecting retail businesses to thrive is kindergarten-level urban planning fantasy. Superior does not have the supporting population density or foot-traffic. 

 

Edited November 20, 20231 yr by ASP1984

The fantasy is the false presumption by too many people about what makes urban settings attractive. Population in urban settings is attracted to places with amenities and great public spaces. A wide street that encourages vehicles traveling at high rates of speed is brutalism personified -- the antithesis of an attractive urban setting. There are alternatives:

 

https://www.pps.org/article/livememtraffic

 

The data says car dependency hurts business. Walkable settings produce more retail sales and economic development then car-oriented settings:

https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2021/08/18/ten-economic-benefits-walkable-places

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-08/for-store-owners-bike-lanes-boost-the-bottom-line

 

The fantasy is the false presumption by too many people about what makes urban settings attractive. Population in urban settings is attracted to places with amenities and great public spaces. A wide street that encourages vehicles traveling at high rates of speed is brutalism personified -- the antithesis of an attractive urban setting. There are alternatives:
 
https://www.pps.org/article/livememtraffic
 
The data says car dependency hurts business. Walkable settings produce more retail sales and economic development then car-oriented settings:
https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2021/08/18/ten-economic-benefits-walkable-places
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-08/for-store-owners-bike-lanes-boost-the-bottom-line
 

Funny that the two articles you shared promoting multi modal urbanism - which I do - have pictures clearly showing on-street parking. There is no world in which wholly eliminating on-street parking across 30 blocks of Cleveland streets produces a healthy retail setting within five to ten years of said project. None. I also take umbrage with the idea raised by another poster that this street is littered with undesirable businesses akin to “abuse.” They just look undesirable to you. Know the difference.


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