Marge Schott used to buy several hundred cars from her dealerships at the end of each year and park them on her 90-acre lawn in order to meet sales goals.  

Oh, I remember that now. That was back in 2018 when they were having shipping/transport issues since Elon finds practical stuff like that too boring.

Note the date on that article.  October 2018.

 

First, there would have been a lot of follow-up coverage if that story had legs.

 

It's entirely possible that one of those cars on that lot is now mine.  I got mine in October 2018.

 

Also, the way the federal tax credit phase-out worked is that in the half-year after the half-year in which the company sold its 200,000th EV in the US, the tax credit for purchasers of that manufacturer's vehicles goes down by 50%, then 50% again 6 months after that.  Tesla sold its 200,000th EV in the US in early July 2018:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-tax-credit/tesla-hits-200000-cars-meaning-lower-tax-credit-for-buyers-idUSKBN1K222F

 

So the tax credit was then locked in on a path to shrink by 50% on Jan. 1, 2019, and again by 50% on July 1, 2019, and down to $0 on Jan. 1, 2020.

 

So from July 1, 2018 to Dec. 31, 2018, you were still eligible for the full credit as the buyer of a Tesla no matter how many deliveries were made in that time, because at that point, the phaseout went by time, not by unit count.  Unit count was only the trigger.  If they actually could have manufactured and delivered 100 million EVs in those 6 months, every buyer would have gotten the full credit.  So Tesla, trying to do right by its customers, made an insane short-term push to get as many cars made and delivered in those six months as possible.  It was constant emergency mode, almost a war footing.  My own delivery was originally scheduled for mid-September 2018 (presumably to help 3Q delivery figures) but was delayed multiple times because they simply couldn't get the logistics down.

 

Things have come more into balance in the past year (vis-a-vis manufacturing capacity and logistics capacity).  The bump in end-of-year sales was balanced by a drop-off in 1Q19 sales, which was to be expected given the rush to front-load everything into the period that ended 12/31/18, before sales increased again in 2Q19.  Tesla appears to have increased its delivery capacity on a more durable basis as well.  Made-to-order cars (the overwhelming majority of the business) are generally built and delivered less than a month from configuration.

 

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ETA: GCrites80s types faster; I type more.

I don't care about electric cars personally and probably won't own one for a long time. Read the thread... I have criticized Tesla endlessly. They still don't know what they're doing as a car company and the build quality and delivery issues seen in the 2018 article you posted are examples of that. And they have the Shamwow guy running the show.

 

I'm frankly getting tired of you posting wrong information about energy used for transportation in the United States and insulting me (using a totally inaccurate insult at that... you might as well have called me a cat. Read the thread.) just because you did one paper on ethanol use in Brazil while you were in college during 2004 or whatever.

Edited December 18, 20195 yr by GCrites80s

I have become an EV "zealot" only in the past 7-10 years as battery price-to-performance and storage-to-weight ratios have come into ranges that allow the manufacture of EVs at commercial scale, and as lithium mining operations begin to reach the scale necessary to supply the raw materials for that scale as well.  I think true EV "zealots" are the ones who don't actually care about such practical concerns and make it more of a holy mission on save-the-planet grounds, and likely did so well before Tesla came along, if they're old enough to have been politically/socially/economically active back then.  As one of this board's outliers who thinks that climate change is substantially overhyped as a civilizational threat, I feel pretty confident saying that I don't fall into that category.  EV drivetrain technology is simply superior to ICE drivetrain technology (whether E10 or E85) once the storage issue is solved--which it basically has been.  The era of the gasoline-powered light vehicle is in its twilight.  It will not vanish overnight or as fast as climate change alarmists want.  The decline will not be swift, but it will not be stopped, either.

 

As far as being a Tesla zealot in particular, I sold the bulk of my position over the past 2 years.  I think the more expected behavior of a "Tesla zealot in particular" would have been to buy more when it dropped into the $200 range (and even below) in May and June of this year.  Those who did are sitting pretty at the moment, considering that it's pushing $400 now, more than a 120% gain since its midyear low of around $177.

 

 

^He called ME an EV zealot, lol. Even though you essentially called me a "short" a while back! Oh well, water under the bridge in your case. I'm might have just been that he was trying to argue with too many people at once.

Some discussion of Ford's upcoming electric crossover:

 

I don't really know what to think of this. It's like a brand extension in the vein of Trix GoGurt in some ways, but will it hurt actual Mustangs? Initially you want to say "of course" but how much did the Pontiac Trans Sport dustbuster vans from the early '90s hurt the actual Trans Am?

16 hours ago, Terdolph said:

The interesting thing is at the time, insiders said that the cars were basically not only unfinished (mere shells), but had been rushed through the production line (to meet production goals) so quickly they would have required more re-work than they were worth so they were just shipped out to the desert and left to rot.

 

I know that you are an EV zelot, and a Tesla zelot in particular, so no amount of evidence is going to make any difference to you.  Enjoy your $50k plutonium producing, strategic metal consuming EV that was heavily subsidized by the US taxpayer, the California tax payer and roulette playing stock investors.

 

You provided two photos from 2018 and one article, and are now relying on "insiders" (who you don't cite) as your "evidence."

16 hours ago, Terdolph said:

Just to be clear as I said earlier, even with the current infrastructure EV's have their place-delivery vehicles, buses, short trip second cars like the GEM.  The Tesla just isn't it.

 

They also have their place as primary commuter vehicles for professionals and families, including the Tesla and the competitors it hopefully is finally spurring to take EV drivetrain technology seriously.  They also have their place as long-distance road trip vehicles, as I can attest, having taken mine to Toronto and back from Akron, using the Superchargers at Erie on the way up and Buffalo on the way back.

 

The Tesla Model 3 was the 11th-best selling car in the US in 2018: https://cleantechnica.com/2019/01/03/tesla-model-3-11-best-selling-car-in-usa-in-2018/

 

As of September of last year, it was on track to be the #1 selling car in the US by revenue (unit count times sales price): https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/09/tesla-model-3-becomes-1-best-selling-car-in-the-us/

 

It was the best-selling luxury car in the US, absolutely scorching basically all competitors in its price class and even some in cheaper classes: https://www.statista.com/chart/16948/total-number-of-premium-cars-sold-in-the-us/

 

16 hours ago, Terdolph said:

Sorry if I offended anyone.  I don't understand the "cat" comment and I don't understand why a country of 215 million people with a first world economy is not a good example of how e85 can run the transportation system of a nation.

 

It is.  But that doesn't mean that E85 should run the transportation system of this one.  And it certainly doesn't mean that people can, will, or should start driving wimpy, ugly, short-range, glorified-golf-cart EVs just because you think that's all they're good for despite massive real-world evidence to the contrary at this point.  It is not only a workable drivetrain technology for powerful, high-end luxury vehicles, it is an ideal one.

 

It's not that you've offended anyone, it's that your position is essentially incomprehensible.  It is actually almost the precise opposite of Tesla's usual detractors, who claim that EV technology will remain concentrated in the luxury market because the up-front manufacturing costs for the cars and batteries will not come down quickly enough or far enough.  You're saying that EV technology has no future in the luxury market and we should look to things like those Polaris vehicles, when the luxury market is currently where EVs are not only dominating but increasing their dominance.

11 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

I don't really know what to think of this. It's like a brand extension in the vein of Trix GoGurt in some ways, but will it hurt actual Mustangs? Initially you want to say "of course" but how much did the Pontiac Trans Sport dustbuster vans from the early '90s hurt the actual Trans Am?

 

It has people talking a lot more about both the electric crossover and the classic Mustang than they would otherwise.  

 

I wish they'd ditch the stupid 16x20 flat screen.  It looks like a pathetic "me too", copying the worst thing about the Tesla model 3.  

Those big screens are just a fad made to impress on a short term basis. Sorta like in 1989-90 when Sega Genesis games started making the characters bigger and bigger so that they looked better in the Sears catalog and GamePro. It didn't take long for kids to figure out the bigger the guys were the worse the game was... at least until Street Fighter 2 came out.

 

A lot of things from the late 2000s to 2019 is going to look silly in a few years, like people are going to say, "All people thought about all the time was the internet back then, wasn't it?"

11 minutes ago, Terdolph said:

 

I still content that an e85 car, here in NEO is better for the ecology than an electric.

 

I think that contention has been addressed enough already, but needless to say, I don't see how that is possibly supportable in either the short or long term.

2 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

Those big screens are just a fad

 

Next they'll make screens that can take selfies of themselves.  

 

I don't think that in-car selfie-specific cameras are much a of a stretch, though.  A lot of women seem to like to take photos of themselves in their cars while taking a trip.  They get to pretend they're Dixie Chicks, and want everyone to know it.    

 

 

The NY Times did a little preview of 10 upcoming electric cars vehicles from various manufacturers:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/01/business/future-electric-cars-2020.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=112325600&imp_id=5054108&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

 

What's crazy is we aren't seeing much movement toward building small and inexpensive electric cars.  This is a bit of a parallel to the unaffordability of solar panels and geothermal heat for the modest owners of modest homes.  

On Friday night I pulled into a parking spot next to a mysterious vehicle.  I stepped to discover one of the mythical Chevy Bolts.  Having just visited a Chevy dealership the week prior and not seen one there I kind of wonder how they even found the guts to ask the Corvette and truck salesmen to see one. 

 

This thing looks to weigh about 800 lbs less than all of the electric SUV's set to debut in the early 2020s.

 

 

 

 

 

18 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

On Friday night I pulled into a parking spot next to a mysterious vehicle.  I stepped to discover one of the mythical Chevy Bolts.  Having just visited a Chevy dealership the week prior and not seen one there I kind of wonder how they even found the guts to ask the Corvette and truck salesmen to see one. 

 

This thing looks to weigh about 800 lbs less than all of the electric SUV's set to debut in the early 2020s.

 

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3,563 pounds.  It's in the ballpark of the Kia Niro (3,854 pounds) and the Hyundai Kona (3,715 pounds).

Edited January 6, 20205 yr by DarkandStormy

^ I think you misread @jmecklenborg's post. He didn't say the vehicle looked like it weighed 800 lbs.

 

12 minutes ago, Robuu said:

^ I think you misread @jmecklenborg's post. He didn't say the vehicle looked like it weighed 800 lbs.

 

This is what I get for posting without coffee!

The Corel Draw Twitter bot recently sent out a late-80s Honda CRX.  Per Google, this car weighed 1,800lbs with a full tank of gas.  I remember seeing this thing in the showroom and being startled by the 55mpg sticker and being amazed that nobody cared.  Yeah, gas was 80 cents at the time but nobody cares about mpg when gas is cheap. 

 

Believe it or not, but the Tesla Model 3 weighs double what the 1987 Honda CRX weighed.  The Chevy Bolt only weighs 250lbs less than the Model 3.    

 

Another cursory look at Google shows that today's gasoline cars of this class weigh more like 2,500lbs, with many "small" cars easily topping 3,000lbs.  The Chevy Bolt is 3,500lbs.  The Tesla Model 3's push 4,000lbs.  Roughly 1,000lbs of the Model 3's weight is the battery.  

 

Tesla recorded record deliveries in Q4 and delivered more than 367k vehicles in 2019.

 

But with the U.S. tax credit not being extended, sales should drop to 0 in 2020, right?

35 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

But with the U.S. tax credit not being extended, sales should drop to 0 in 2020, right?

 

Only about 1 in 10 people who buy pickups actually need them.  

 

On 1/3/2020 at 6:22 PM, jmecklenborg said:

The NY Times did a little preview of 10 upcoming electric cars vehicles from various manufacturers:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/01/business/future-electric-cars-2020.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=112325600&imp_id=5054108&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

 

What's crazy is we aren't seeing much movement toward building small and inexpensive electric cars.  This is a bit of a parallel to the unaffordability of solar panels and geothermal heat for the modest owners of modest homes.  

 

Why would you expect to see "much movement toward building small and inexpensive electric cars?"  Particularly when the high-margin luxury market is still fertile territory for further gains against the ICE incumbents?

 

I suppose you could say that there is movement towards such vehicles--in China and India.  But there is a reason that Tata Motors hasn't actually rolled out any ICE vehicles in the US, either.

 

The cheaper vehicles will come eventually, whether from US manufacturers expanding their product lines or from Asian ones finally expanding to the US.  But you shouldn't rationally expect that until the luxury market has thoroughly turned the page.

Following Ford's lead in branding its upcoming electric crossover as a Mustang, GM announces that its electric trucks will be branded under the old Hummer nameplate:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/11/cars/gm-electric-pickup-hummer/index.html

That's how you make the Big 3 care -- with trucks.

Columbus: New Station Downtown Offers Fast Charge for Electric Vehicles

 

A new charging station was installed earlier this week that will offer drivers of electric vehicles in Columbus a fast-charge, curbside option for the first time.

 

The new station, located at 174 E. Fulton St. downtown, features public art designed by students of the Columbus College of Art and Design (CCAD).

 

On hand at a January 14 event to celebrate the launch were representatives of Smart Columbus, the Columbus Foundation, CCAD, and Greenspot, the New Jersey-based company that installed the station.

 

More below:

https://www.columbusunderground.com/new-stations-downtown-offer-fast-charge-for-electric-vehicles-bw1

 

Couple of thoughts:
    Can't tell if these spots are reserved for EV's or if anyone can pay to park here
    If they are reserved for EV's, how aggressive will the ticketing be
    What is the maximum parking session

 

It appears that downtown Columbus parking meters has two, really cheap, options:
    Three-hour meters with $1-an-hour rates
    30-minute meters with $1.50-an-hour rates, or 75 cents for a half-hour

 

Of course, in Cincinnati, registered EV's can park for free at meters.

 

I don't know if this should go here or in the Elon Musk thread, but...uhh, that's quite the walk back by Musk in less than a year on Tesla's "full-self driving."  Just another Musk over-promise?

 

Also, how are these Tesla cars supposed to be robotaxis if full-self driving means "it has some chance of going from your home to work...with no interventions....above 0 chance?"  To be a functioning "robotaxi" it needs to be able to do everything 100%, right?

All the car companies have had to back off on their autonomous claims. This was evidenced at CES (now an important auto show) where car company reps from the old guard were much more forthcoming (or at least clammed up) regarding the fact that the tech just isn't going to happen any time soon. The difference is that Musk's previous promises were so much more outlandish than everyone else's. The older companies still bring up autonomy often in general, but that's done to fool people into thinking they are tech so that if they have a bad quarter or year that they will be allowed to lose money. And that they will eventually bring the future. Musk on the other hand still claims things are still "just a few months out" and people still believe him.

 

Don't forget about the Driverless Cars thread:

 

^That's going-on 10 years ago.  Still no driverless cars.  

If you go back to when GM first talked about it, it's 65 years.

On 5/1/2018 at 6:17 PM, taestell said:

I'm surprised that you don't hear more about electric school buses. You would think that school buses would be an almost perfect fit for this technology, since they do a bunch of runs in the morning, have time to recharge mid-day, do more runs in the afternoon, and have time to recharge overnight. As opposed to a transit bus which is making runs all day and any interruption to recharge means a loss of revenue for that time.

 

Washington is buying 40 electric school buses and distributing them to 22 districts across the state. And how are they paying for it?

 

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The buses are paid for with funding from Washington’s Volkswagen diesel emission settlement, which stems from the discovery that the carmaker installed software that allowed engines to emit more than the legal limit for nitrous oxides.

 

On 1/6/2020 at 7:05 PM, jmecklenborg said:

The Corel Draw Twitter bot recently sent out a late-80s Honda CRX.  Per Google, this car weighed 1,800lbs with a full tank of gas.  I remember seeing this thing in the showroom and being startled by the 55mpg sticker and being amazed that nobody cared.  Yeah, gas was 80 cents at the time but nobody cares about mpg when gas is cheap. 

 

Believe it or not, but the Tesla Model 3 weighs double what the 1987 Honda CRX weighed.  The Chevy Bolt only weighs 250lbs less than the Model 3.    

 

Another cursory look at Google shows that today's gasoline cars of this class weigh more like 2,500lbs, with many "small" cars easily topping 3,000lbs.  The Chevy Bolt is 3,500lbs.  The Tesla Model 3's push 4,000lbs.  Roughly 1,000lbs of the Model 3's weight is the battery. 

 

And this is why the sooner we move to a weight-based vehicle licensing (tax) system to pay for roadways, the better.  (A semi truck weighs upwards of 80,000 lbs. in comparison.)

Tesla finishes last in J.D. Power ratings

 

Tesla, meanwhile, did absolutely terribly in its first time out. JD Power did not officially rank them because the company said Tesla wouldn’t let it survey its owners in 15 states, but based on surveys of owners in 35 states Tesla’s score was ... bad.

 

In the infotainment era, cars most often find themselves scoring poorly in these J.D. Power ratings due to infotainment issues/difficulty of using the interface. Most of the rest of cars overall has gotten better in the past 15 years which helped all car companies' J.D. Power ratings significantly. Once the infotainment era began and controls began moving away from quick access knobs, buttons and switches to as many controls placed into screen menus as possible J.D. Power ratings began to tumble. In addition the screen can fail itself. Over the past 2-3 years though, other automakers began to realize that they had to return major functions to real buttons and knobs to make the car easier to use and safer. Tesla doesn't do this, though -- it's all screen. Plus the Tesla screens crap out. Listen car companies, tablets haven't been cool since 2011. They're for little kids and salespeople now.

 

To me, J.D. Power ratings were never that important since a car that scores well in the ratings can give immense trouble after 3 years/50,000 miles (looking at you, British cars and modern BMWs) where as one that does worse can give you much less trouble (looking at you Honda and Toyota) after that time frame. So I'm not a big believer in J.D. Power for my uses especially whereas a lease customer might find them more valuable.

 

But the fact of the matter is that people who don't know much about cars take a lot of stock in J.D. Power ratings, sort of like Edmunds and crash test ratings (Protip: Here's what's most safe: the cars that are best at not crashing AND not hurting non-occupants!) And a lot of those people consider Teslas and, much more importantly, buy stocks.

Edited June 24, 20204 yr by GCrites80s

I think Robinhood, etc., are responsible for at least some of the irrational exuberance for Tesla, which makes 1/10th the number of cars as Toyota.  

 

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MARKET PULSE

Tesla Inc. (tsla) shares gained 5% Wednesday to end at $1,133.36, a fresh record, as investors await the company's second-quarter sales numbers. The rally boosted Tesla's market valuation to more than $207 billion and above, at least for now, Japan's Toyota Motor Corp.'s (tm) $203 billion market value. Toyota, which makes more than 8 million vehicles a year, long has been the No. 1 global car maker by market capitalization. Tesla is expected to report second-quarter sales this week, with analysts polled by FactSet expecting the sale of 72,000 vehicles in the quarter, of which 61,000 are Model 3s. Tesla shares have gained 171% this year, contrasting with losses of 4% and 9% for the S&P 500 index (spx) and the Dow Jones Industrial Average (djia)

 

 

Toyota actually produced 21x more vehicles than Tesla in 2019.

1 hour ago, DarkandStormy said:

Toyota actually produced 21x more vehicles than Tesla in 2019.

 

Also, I think that retail investors/robinhood people think that Tesla is creating a product that has its own ecosystem and makes it tough to jump to another brand with one's next purchase.  That might be the case with Apple, and even with minor electronic fitness devices like Garmin vs. Wahoo, but it has never been the case with cars.  

 

Again - I get back to all of Musk's tunnel talk - he knows that if he can built his own tunnels and only lets Teslas in them (i.e. a Sepulveda Pass tunnel) then he can create something no car maker has ever had.  But there are $100 billion reasons why no car maker has ever built their own exclusive bridges and tunnels.  

 

 

 

 

Edited July 1, 20204 yr by jmecklenborg

But Toyota isn't tech, bro

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-what-wall-street-is-saying-about-nikola-founders-shocking-departure-2020-09-21

 

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Nikola’s board announced Milton’s voluntary departure earlier Monday, naming board member and former General Motors Co. US:GM  executive Stephen Girsky as board chairman. The focus “should be on the company and its world-changing mission, not me,” Milton said in the statement accompanying the news.

 

Milton’s departure comes roughly two weeks after a scathing report earlier this month by short seller Hindenburg Research that roiled the company’s shares, accusing Nikola of being an “intricate fraud” built on lies told by Milton. The electric-vehicle maker fired back by saying the report was “false and misleading.”

 

The Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission are reportedly in looking into the allegations.

 

A wild week or so for Nikola Motors, which has EV prototypes of a pickup truck and semi, but now faces allegations of fraud.  Its founder resigned yesterday.

Tesla is holding both its shareholder meeting and "Battery Day" presentations today.  Can't wait to see what lies Elon will concoct this time!

S and P 500 rejected selling emissions credits as "fake profit" so they can't lean on that anymore. Mean old bankers

 

26 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

Tesla is holding both its shareholder meeting and "Battery Day" presentations today.  Can't wait to see what lies Elon will concoct this time!

 

Hopefully more whoppers like these from April 22, 2019! Note 4/20 was the next day.

 

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By the middle of [2020], we’ll have over a million Tesla cars on the road with full self-driving hardware, feature complete, at a reliability level that we would consider that no one needs to pay attention.

 

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“From our standpoint, if you fast forward a year, maybe a year and three months, but next year for sure, we’ll have over a million robotaxis on the road,” Musk said, per TechCrunch. “The fleet wakes up with an over the air update; that’s all it takes.”

 

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“It’s financially insane to buy anything other than a Tesla.”

 

Remember, Elon Said that people's Teslas would be worth over $100,000 by now since they could be put to work as robotaxis when the owner wasn't driving them.

45 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

Hopefully more whoppers like these from April 22, 2019! Note 4/20 was the next day.

 

Remember, Elon Said that people's Teslas would be worth over $100,000 by now since they could be put to work as robotaxis when the owner wasn't driving them.

 

https://elonmusk.today/ has that covered and more.

 

-A coast to coast autonomous (robotaxi) trip was supposed to be completed by 2017...well, then 2018.  Has never happened.

-Musk promised a 621 mile (1,000 km) battery range at 2015 Battery Day "within a year or two, 2017 for sure" - keep an eye on that later toady.  He said the cars would be fully autonomous in three years (so...2018).

-He also said 745 mile range by 2020.

-At Autonomy Day (the April 2019 event you linked to) he said full self driving would be feature complete...to the point where no interventions would be needed and you could sleep at the wheel by mid-2020 (later updated to by the end of 202..."1m robotaxis").  He also said the vehicles would appreciate in value very soon and likely be able to generate $30k/year in profit as a robotaxi.

-500k cars manufactured in a year by 2018...well...then...2019....well...then...2020 (they might finally hit it this year since they added a second factory in China).

-The same # as above basically - in 2017 he said Tesla would produce 10,000 units a week by the end of 2018 - he said "zero concern."  They have yet to achieve that metric.

 

Again, these are just some of the outlandish promises/lies.

Edited September 22, 20204 yr by DarkandStormy

It's like he baits gullible futurists so that they feed him narcissistic supply.

From my limited reading, Battery Day boiled down to:

 

-Tesla is working on manufacturing their own batteries.  They don't yet work via their test pilot program.  They may available in 2-3 years.

-Tesla unveiled its Model S Plaid, a super car with specs that almost no one but the super rich care about.  The car has been worked on for over a year and won't be available until at least late 2021 at the starting price of $140k.  Supposedly does 0-60 in under 2 seconds, 520+ mile range, tri motor...of course, specs are dependent on the battery project in the first point.  To me, this kills the point of the Roadster, which they unveiled in 2017 and said would be in production by 2020...a 621 mi range, 0 to 60 in under 2 seconds, etc.

-Elon thinks they can get the cost of an EV down to $25k in 3 years - the exact claim he made in August 2018.

 

Seems kind of like a waste.  They have a concept for a tabless battery that they admit doesn't work yet.  Some future specs on cars that probably won't come to fruition within the stated timeline.  And this event was delayed by six months lmao.

27 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

From my limited reading, Battery Day boiled down to:

 

 

Any mention of soccer teams in caves?  Ventilators?  

1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said:

Any mention of soccer teams in caves?  Ventilators?  

 

Confirmed covid cases to zero by end of April.

GM tears a page out of Musk's playbook - claim that you have "sold out" of a car that has yet to be manufactured, without providing any proof or any numbers.  Are they making 1,000 of these?  10,000?  All that matters is that they sold out.  

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gm-unveils-its-gmc-hummer-ev-the-first-fully-electric-pickup/

On 10/30/2020 at 4:51 PM, jmecklenborg said:

GM tears a page out of Musk's playbook - claim that you have "sold out" of a car that has yet to be manufactured, without providing any proof or any numbers.  Are they making 1,000 of these?  10,000?  All that matters is that they sold out.  

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gm-unveils-its-gmc-hummer-ev-the-first-fully-electric-pickup/

 

Tesla has never "sold out" of anything, just taken puny $100 deposits to jack up their reservation numbers - the $100 barrier is the same that GM used, though.

 

Some of the auto magazines have estimated there to be no more than 5,000 of the First Editions.

On 1/16/2019 at 10:09 AM, Gramarye said:

I am confident that the $35k Model 3 will exist within 2 years.

 

Tesla announced on 2/28/2019 that they were introducing the $35k "Standard" and $37k "Standard Range Plus" models. However, if you try to configure a Model 3 on Tesla's site, the cheapest option available is the Standard Range Plus for $37,990. Did the cheaper $35k model get dropped or delayed again?