May 11, 20178 yr The windows can’t be seen if you’re standing in Public Square, says Baniszewski, in keeping with the historic look of the building and historic tax credit requirements, but “it’s a really cool picture postcard view of the Terminal Tower,” he says. This is ridiculous. Do the tax credits actually require that an enormous blank, windowless wall face Public Square? That can't be right. Unfortunately tax credits are super restrictive. Hopefully a smart politician will loosen some of the rules about windows.
May 11, 20178 yr Put a mesh mural/banner on that blank wall, then secretly cut windows out of the wall. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 11, 20178 yr Those interiors are remarkable. I did notice that one bedroom apartments are starting around $1700+ at this building? That is pretty high. It seems we are pushing avg. rent Downtown upwards very quickly with these new projects. Some of the K&D re-habs have rents starting under 1,000 but I think those days are nearly behind us.
May 11, 20178 yr The windows can’t be seen if you’re standing in Public Square, says Baniszewski, in keeping with the historic look of the building and historic tax credit requirements, but “it’s a really cool picture postcard view of the Terminal Tower,” he says. This is ridiculous. Do the tax credits actually require that an enormous blank, windowless wall face Public Square? That can't be right. Good question. ink[/member], do you know if this is the case? The program has obviously been a huge boon, but would be a bummer if it were taken to literal extremes in cases like this. I do not know the specifics about this project, although from my memory of the interior of the building, much of the back wall is consumed by elevators so windows would not be feasible. In general, new window openings are a point of scrutiny in tax credit reviews. I worked on a project in Columbus where windows were restricted on the side elevation of an industrial building because it would have changed the industrial character of that building. As an industrial storage building, it would have never had windows so introducing a ton of glass was incongruous. I have seen window openings permitted on elevations with more limited visibility (looking into an alley, property rear, side street, etc.), but given that this elevation is highly visible I'm sure there was concern about changing the character of the building. It's an urban, lot-line building built with the expectation that a neighbor would block its views in the future. But again, I'm not sure that windows would have even been feasible given the building's floorplan.
May 11, 20178 yr Pretty exciting. The Standard has beautiful Art Deco detailing... When this building is finished, along with TT, the Beacon, Garfield and, maybe, Union Trust, the downtown apt population is going to skyrocket.
May 11, 20178 yr ....And more coming! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 6, 20178 yr http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2017/06082017/index.php 3. Case 17-032 (15-063 Approve 10/8/15) Standard Building 1370 Ontario Street Signs Ward 3 McCormack Marc Baniszewski Sandvick Architects "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 6, 20178 yr http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2017/06082017/index.php 3. Case 17-032 (15-063 Approve 10/8/15) Standard Building 1370 Ontario Street Signs Ward 3 McCormack Marc Baniszewski Sandvick Architects I have loved everything they have done/tried to do with this project. But I am NOT feeling that signage, at least as it appears in the rendering
June 6, 20178 yr Rather than looking like the W Hotel; since the Weston W in a circle will mean nothing to most people; this would be much better at the top of the penthouse. It's the building logo for advertising purposes, and much classier because it's period appropriate. Image Source: thestantardcle.com
June 6, 20178 yr I like the W logo on top. To the uninformed and out of towner it looks like there is a Westin Hotel on that corner. :-)
June 7, 20178 yr How many people are going to mistakenly show up there thinking it's the Westin? It's not like they're both on the same street. Oh, wait.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 28, 20177 yr They've taken down the scaffolding on the Ontario side of the building!!! It's looking good!!!
September 28, 20177 yr I think that black wall is just waiting for the biggest digital screen in the state to be installed on it... or one big ss[/member] mural. 8-) I walked by today as well... it was weird seeing the scaffolding down. I guess I got used to it!
September 28, 20177 yr Tweet from @YvetteIttu (Economic and Community Developer, #CRE Real Estate Investor) Site visit this morning of The Standard apartment project overlooking @CLEPublicSquare - Now these are some serious views of @DowntownCLE "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 29, 20177 yr I took a tour of this building last week... they did a really nice job. The lobby is still under heavy construction but the apartments themselves are very nice, also the top level of penthouses will be rent-to-own which I thought was interesting.
September 29, 20177 yr thestandardcle.com Their website has further photographs of the interior apartments and floorplans.
January 16, 20187 yr Leasing started Jan 1 at the Standard Building. For example, the $60 million The Standard apartments opened Jan. 4 at 99 W. St. Clair Ave. in downtown Cleveland, marking suburban-based Weston Inc.'s entry into the city's apartment market from the office and industrial segments. That meant 277 apartments and four penthouses all hit the market on one day. However, that doesn't mean things there are quiet. "The phone is ringing. We are busy," said Julie Colby, manager of The Standard, which is suspending the typical $150 application fee as it opens. The day the doors opened, tenants moved into 25 suites, and another 30 are rented. With match day, when hospitals name their new residents, and the launch of internships, she expects to be busy through April and feels the building will lease quickly. Rents are upward of $1,350 for a one-bedroom and $2,850 for two bedrooms. Four top-floor penthouses will rent for a minimum of $5,000 and will be customizable, she said.
January 16, 20187 yr I walked by the building last week and the first floor space previously occupied by PNC in the building's former incarnation looks cleared out and ready to lease. Hopefully the 277 units above fill up fast and create demand for a new restaurant or retail!
January 16, 20187 yr I walked by the building last week and the first floor space previously occupied by PNC in the building's former incarnation looks cleared out and ready to lease. Hopefully the 277 units above fill up fast and create demand for a new restaurant or retail! I was on the waiting list initially and planning to move in October 2017. The late start forced me to find a place elsewhere.
January 16, 20187 yr I walked by the building last week and the first floor space previously occupied by PNC in the building's former incarnation looks cleared out and ready to lease. Hopefully the 277 units above fill up fast and create demand for a new restaurant or retail! A 24-hour diner, located between Public Square, the Justice Center and the Convention Center hotel, would be most welcome. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 16, 20187 yr I walked by the building last week and the first floor space previously occupied by PNC in the building's former incarnation looks cleared out and ready to lease. Hopefully the 277 units above fill up fast and create demand for a new restaurant or retail! A 24-hour diner, located between Public Square, the Justice Center and the Convention Center hotel, would be most welcome. I miss Addy's very much
January 16, 20187 yr I walked by the building last week and the first floor space previously occupied by PNC in the building's former incarnation looks cleared out and ready to lease. Hopefully the 277 units above fill up fast and create demand for a new restaurant or retail! A 24-hour diner, located between Public Square, the Justice Center and the Convention Center hotel, would be most welcome. I miss Addy's very much I miss all of the old school diners downtown. Which ones are still left besides Barrister's?
January 16, 20187 yr I miss all of the old school diners downtown. Which ones are still left besides Barrister's? Mike and Dee's in the Rosetta Building. A true greasy spoon with some smiling faces serving up bomba** comfort food.
April 12, 20187 yr From downtown Councilman Kerry McCormack today... Congratulations on the grand opening of the Standard building in Downtown #Cleveland! Beautiful historic rehab now providing new homes. The push for 20,000 Downtown residents by 2020 is well on its way. @CleCityCouncil @CityofCleveland @CLE_EconDev @DowntownCLE @DCRA1 https://t.co/xuL1lGqywh "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 13, 20187 yr Eliot Ness played racquetball in historic building that is now The Standard units: Apartment of the week https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/06/eliot_ness_played_racquetball.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 10, 20186 yr The view of the Justice Center from one of these apartments must be spectacular! Talk about a rude awakening.
April 30, 20196 yr KJP: You mentioned in the Nucleus Thread ( if you know how to copy that post and bring it to this thread please do so) that you just recently found out that the Weston Super Block project was officially dead. You said that up until last year they were working on it. Could the slowness of ABSORBING the standard units have anything to do with it. With all of the new projects coming online in the last few years this project IS NOT Filling up quickly. That last time i checked they have about 50-60 units available or are about 2/3 filled. Why is THIS project so slow to absorb. Have we hit a saturation point in the downtown rental market or is this project just flat out too overpriced?
April 30, 20196 yr I almost moved into the Standard Building, but chose the Halle. Standard is just in a bad location, right across from Justice Center. It's isolated from all the other apartments and has a poor parking set up. Its a shame, because the apartments are gorgeous. And they're pretty competitive from a pricing setup.
April 30, 20196 yr Exactly^ It's in a bad location. I've been looking at apartments for awhile, and The Standard has always been one of the lowest on my list. If it was 3-400 dollars cheaper I would consider it.
April 30, 20196 yr 47 minutes ago, simplythis said: KJP: You mentioned in the Nucleus Thread ( if you know how to copy that post and bring it to this thread please do so) that you just recently found out that the Weston Super Block project was officially dead. You said that up until last year they were working on it. Could the slowness of ABSORBING the standard units have anything to do with it. With all of the new projects coming online in the last few years this project IS NOT Filling up quickly. That last time i checked they have about 50-60 units available or are about 2/3 filled. Why is THIS project so slow to absorb. Have we hit a saturation point in the downtown rental market or is this project just flat out too overpriced? I personally think it's anomaly due to the reasons stated by Mack 34 above. Residential occupancy is still at about 93 percent downtown.
April 30, 20196 yr I definitely agree with everybody that the Standards problem is location. Even though it is just a couple of blocks from other residential buildings it feels isolated, especially being across the street from the Justice Center superblock. It certainly isn't the downtown market slowly down due to it being over built. Halle and Worthington finished and were marketed about the same time as Standard and they filled up in a snap. If the downtown market is slowly down then we are trouble because 2000-3000 will be coming on line in the next 2-3 years with many more just across the river in Ohio City as well as a good sum in UC which attracts the same demographic as downtown.
April 30, 20196 yr Here's a deeply thoughtful response by me: "ditto." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 30, 20196 yr 36 minutes ago, Htsguy said: I definitely agree with everybody that the Standards problem is location. Even though it is just a couple of blocks from other residential buildings it feels isolated, especially being across the street from the Justice Center superblock. It certainly isn't the downtown market slowly down due to it being over built. Halle and Worthington finished and were marketed about the same time as Standard and they filled up in a snap. If the downtown market is slowly down then we are trouble because 2000-3000 will be coming on line in the next 2-3 years with many more just across the river in Ohio City as well as a good sum in UC which attracts the same demographic as downtown. Are the street level spaces still up for lease? I wonder what they're holding out for tenant wise if so. I think it's been mentioned here before but it'd make for a nice space for a high end convenient store or something that would fit the resident mix well (recognizing that Constantinos is only a few blocks and some away)
April 30, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, edale said: How is one block from Public Square a bad location? It might as well be 5 miles away. There are no active uses immediately adjacent to the building.
April 30, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, simplythis said: KJP: You mentioned in the Nucleus Thread ( if you know how to copy that post and bring it to this thread please do so) that you just recently found out that the Weston Super Block project was officially dead. You said that up until last year they were working on it. Could the slowness of ABSORBING the standard units have anything to do with it. With all of the new projects coming online in the last few years this project IS NOT Filling up quickly. That last time i checked they have about 50-60 units available or are about 2/3 filled. Why is THIS project so slow to absorb. Have we hit a saturation point in the downtown rental market or is this project just flat out too overpriced? 59/287 = ~20% vacant, so it's more than just 2/3 filled. Edited April 30, 20196 yr by Clefan98
April 30, 20196 yr 6 minutes ago, edale said: How is one block from Public Square a bad location? Did you read the previous posts from folks who toured the property? Edited April 30, 20196 yr by Clefan98
April 30, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, freefourur said: It might as well be 5 miles away. There are no active uses immediately adjacent to the building. It's across the street from a freaking jail... lol
April 30, 20196 yr 6 minutes ago, Clefan98 said: Did you read the previous posts from folks who toured the property? Yes, and then I went to street view and saw that the building is in a very central location downtown, which is why I asked the question. It’s right next to the Key Tower, a block from Public Square, two blocks from the Red line at Tower City. The building facade is gorgeous and some of the apartments have lake views. Idk, doesn’t seem that bad to me.
April 30, 20196 yr 18 minutes ago, GISguy said: Are the street level spaces still up for lease? I wonder what they're holding out for tenant wise if so. I think it's been mentioned here before but it'd make for a nice space for a high end convenient store or something that would fit the resident mix well (recognizing that Constantinos is only a few blocks and some away) Too bad all the commercial tenants had to close/relocate as part of the renovation. When it was an office building it had a good mix (hardly high end but popular and active) of commercial tenants including a bank, cigar store, bar, deli, convenience store and small restaurant. There always seemed to be a lot of traffic in the lobby even though it was not really connected to any other space.
April 30, 20196 yr Just now, edale said: Yes, and then I went to street view and saw that the building is in a very central location downtown, which is why I asked the question. It’s right next to the Key Tower, a block from Public Square, two blocks from the Red line at Tower City. The building facade is gorgeous and some of the apartments have lake views. Idk, doesn’t seem that bad to me. Again, I toured all of the new apartment buildings downtown. Its gorgeous inside and out.....If it was on Euclid Ave it would be fully leased. but its not in a pedestrian friendly area. Euclid is the most pedestrian friendly street downtown, with Huron and Prospect being close seconds. The standard is just isolated enough that there are better options. Plus, their parking setup sucks
April 30, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, edale said: Yes, and then I went to street view and saw that the building is in a very central location downtown, which is why I asked the question. It’s right next to the Key Tower, a block from Public Square, two blocks from the Red line at Tower City. The building facade is gorgeous and some of the apartments have lake views. Idk, doesn’t seem that bad to me. It is hard to explain. It is true, it has all that "stuff" around it but from a residential aspect it feels isolated, especially at night. If the buildings and lots to the west of it were developed all the way to west 6th, if would probably have a different vibe.
April 30, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, mack34 said: Again, I toured all of the new apartment buildings downtown. Its gorgeous inside and out.....If it was on Euclid Ave it would be fully leased. but its not in a pedestrian friendly area. Euclid is the most pedestrian friendly street downtown, with Huron and Prospect being close seconds. The standard is just isolated enough that there are better options. Plus, their parking setup sucks Does the building have any parking at all?
April 30, 20196 yr ^^No, You can Valet for some outrageous fee....Or they have deals with some of the Warehouse lots on West third. No way I want myself or my teenage kids walking that later at night.
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