March 19, 20196 yr 15 hours ago, cadmen said: I respectfully disagree Superior on what a parking garage should look like. If YOU want to be able to identify a garage a block away then you must love the garage on the nuCLEus site. I travel all the time and I've never had trouble locating a parking garage even when its architecture blends in rather than stands out. You CAN have an attractive facade and still be able to identify that its a parking garage. You don't have to settle for an eyesore. I'm happy that you can easily find garages to park in. I actually don't like or hate the parking garage design (because it's not important enough for me to care about it). As I mentioned before, the attention that it's getting on this forum is exhausting. It's just one of the many non issues that people on this forum find to complain about IMO. We can respectfully agree to disagree.
March 19, 20196 yr 5 hours ago, superior said: We can respectfully agree to disagree Yep. I'm one that firmly believes that almost everything we construct in this word should be made as beautiful as possible. Even the things that just have a utility function such as a garage. That used to be deafult in America in the past. Look at some of the old factories in our city. What we build is an extension of our society. When anyalizing your preference, one would say that this society cared about how easy it was to identify places to park their automobiles.
March 19, 20196 yr While i agree that visual design is important in building substantial structures, i wouldn't go overboard by claiming anyone in the past or the future was/will be more or less virtuous than people in the present. most of the structures that were ever built are gone and most buildings were simple wood structures that were only built to serve specific needs. there are a lot of variables involved that include more than a conscious goal of projecting an appealing vision of our society. the market changes. construction techniques, costs, capabilities change. aesthetics and business needs change.
March 20, 20196 yr 16 hours ago, Whipjacka said: i wouldn't go overboard by claiming anyone in the past or the future was/will be more or less virtuous than people in the present. ^Fair point. I shouldn't speculate what went on back then. Strike that portion of my post.
March 20, 20196 yr Nucleus renderings on Channel 3. https://www.wkyc.com/gallery/news/local/cleveland/photos-renderings-of-clevelands-planned-nucleus-development/95-3fbc4e14-071f-4922-a634-c907658c4f1e
March 21, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, surfohio said: ^ any chances they added the green roof because UO complained? The green roof was from the original massing. Their more updated renderings doesn't show one.
March 21, 20196 yr 57 minutes ago, ASPhotoman said: The green roof was from the original massing. Their more updated renderings doesn't show one. Gotcha. It just seems to make sense to utilize that space in some meaningful way.
March 27, 20196 yr Some progress on nuCLEus. Stark has selected Cushman & Wakefield Cresco to handle office leasing. Quote Stark starts the nuCLEus push STAN BULLARD Stark Enterprises of Cleveland has named an outside leasing agent for the 24-story office building portion (at left) which is east of its proposed apartment tower. This is the view of the proposed project's north side. Over the years, Cleveland-based Stark Enterprises has handled the leasing of its properties with its in-house staff, a sign of its decades of developing shopping centers. So when it recently named the Cushman & Wakefield Cresco real estate brokerage of Independence as the office leasing broker for the office portion of nuCLEus, it broke from past practice for what amounts to a 24-story downtown building of 400,000 square feet. Ezra Stark, chief operating officer of the family-owned company, had an unexpected answer when asked why it made the change in approach. "We have had massive demand for the office space," Stark said in a March 26 phone interview. "We wanted an outside broker to help handle it all." Jim Krivanek, a Cresco vice president who will lead its team on the project, said he and Ezra Stark have often traded thoughts over the years as two of the younger people in the local commercial real estate business. Rico Pietro, a Cresco principal, is the other broker working on the assignment. Even though there are a lot of prospects, Krivanek said Cresco plans to heavily promote the offering beyond big, logical tenants already downtown. He plans to reach out to firms in the suburbs and outside the region. ... One aspect of selecting Cresco for the job is that the city's high-profile downtown brokerages already represent other proposed office buildings. Proposals for new office towers are afoot from the lakefront and Flats to West 25th Street. Meantime, huge re-tenanting projects loom at other big buildings or the brokerages represent the city's trophy skyscrapers: Key Tower, 200 Public Square and the Ernst & Young building. On the brokerage side, firms often happily have different teams working on properties competing for similar tenants. But not all owners or developers go for the idea. Read more: https://www.crainscleveland.com/stan-bullard-blog/stark-starts-nucleus-push
March 27, 20196 yr Interesting comments. Maybe our local office market is finally coming out of its 20-year-long funk. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 27, 20196 yr 27 minutes ago, KJP said: Interesting comments. Maybe our local office market is finally coming out of its 20-year-long funk. I really fear that the timing of this will be bad. All signs indicate a market correction coming in late 2019 or early 2020.
March 27, 20196 yr The drop in interest rates will hopefully delay it. https://www.bankrate.com/mortgages/analysis/ EDIT: When I read the comment in the article that "As demolition of buildings on the site takes place later this year, people will see it's for real," it gave me flashbacks to the demolitions done for the Ameritrust Tower on Public Square. Edited March 27, 20196 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 27, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, YABO713 said: I really fear that the timing of this will be bad. All signs indicate a market correction coming in late 2019 or early 2020. A market correction might be ok....a complete financial collapse ala 2008 is an entirely different story (and if that happens I fear the worst with Trump at the helm).
March 28, 20196 yr 4 hours ago, KJP said: The drop in interest rates will hopefully delay it. https://www.bankrate.com/mortgages/analysis/ EDIT: When I read the comment in the article that "As demolition of buildings on the site takes place later this year, people will see it's for real," it gave me flashbacks to the demolitions done for the Ameritrust Tower on Public Square. Isn't a parking garage the only thing being demolished for Nucleus?
March 28, 20196 yr 15 hours ago, JohnSummit said: Isn't a parking garage the only thing being demolished for Nucleus? Also the 2-story brick building on Prospect that’s home to Nick’s Bar Edited March 28, 20196 yr by TPH2
March 28, 20196 yr 6 hours ago, YABO713 said: I really fear that the timing of this will be bad. All signs indicate a market correction coming in late 2019 or early 2020. If you're referring to the inverted yield curve, I just posted an article in the personal finance/investing thread that says there is no correlation between inverted yield curves and recessions. In fact, there may be more evidence that it's a good time to invest. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 28, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, TPH2 said: Also the 2-story brick building on Prospects that’s home to Nick’s Bar That kind of stings. Just a little
March 28, 20196 yr A press release.... https://www.crescorealestate.com/blog/stark-enterprises-selects-cushman-wakefield-cresco-as-office-leasing-partner-for-nucleus/ News | March 26, 2019 Stark Enterprises Selects Cushman & Wakefield | CRESCO as Office Leasing Partner for nuCLEus Stark Enterprises has selected Cushman & Wakefield | CRESCO to broker office leasing for their downtown nuCLEus project. The two Cleveland-based companies agreed to terms this week, bringing together highly-skilled and experienced commercial real estate professionals from both sides to serve as partners on this project. With a strong track record of brokering new developments here in Northeast Ohio and around the world, Cushman & Wakefield | CRESCO will lead office leasing efforts at nuCLEus, the high profile, high demand mixed-use development project in Cleveland’s Gateway District, which will span 24 floors and 400,000 square feet of of Class A office space, efficiently designed space with modern, unique floor plans. “Stark Enterprises is excited to be partnering with Cushman & Wakefield | CRESCO, a move which signifies our rapid growth and development,” said Ezra Stark. “The nuCLEus project is the second moving piece in our mission to change Cleveland’s skyline and enhance the connectivity of the city, and we are looking forward to working with them to accomplish this goal.” “As mixed-use developers with a national footprint, Stark Enterprises knows exactly what they want,” said Jim Krivanek, Vice President at Cushman & Wakefield | CRESCO. “We are thrilled to be a part of Stark’s positive impact in Cleveland development.” The innovative development project will be a combination of commercial and residential, pairing a technologically advanced office tower with a second tower consisting of upscale multi-family apartments and condominiums. The groundbreaking new complex will include an abundance of amenities totaling over 38,000 square feet, including a covered parking garage, pool, fitness center, spa, indoor/outdoor meeting space, pet wash, and state-of-the-art conference center. There will also be 80,000 square feet of retail space. “Nate Kelly and his hard-working team at CRESCO understand the needs of Stark Enterprises,” said Stark. “We both have strong knowledge about the real estate industry which blends very well together to fully accomplish the goal of finding the right companies to call nuCLEus their home.” “This project is inspired by key developments around the globe and reflects Stark’s vision for what downtown Cleveland deserves in its first central business district high rise in a generation,” continued Krivanek. “We are honored to be a part of such an important and exciting project.” ### "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 28, 20196 yr 13 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: That kind of stings. Just a little My only real memory of that place is that it's where I watched game 7 of the 2016 World Series. So, I'm not sad to see it demolished.
March 28, 20196 yr 17 minutes ago, TPH2 said: My only real memory of that place is that it's where I watched game 7 of the 2016 World Series. So, I'm not sad to see it demolished. Ha ha, the only time I was in there was for one of the 2016 World Series games as well.
March 28, 20196 yr Wasn't stark talking about restoring the vacant Herold Building, at 310 Prospect Ave. ?
March 29, 20196 yr Update on the Q, but more so, I'm excited at the possibility of NuCLEus poking through these buildings... Edited February 21, 20205 yr by GISguy
March 29, 20196 yr 18 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said: Awesome vantage point. Too bad that triangle building isn't taller... I always thought it would be cool to see that building replaced with something larger. Tall wedge-shaped buildings are some of the coolest-looking in my opinion.
March 30, 20196 yr On 3/28/2019 at 1:08 PM, fuzzy said: Wasn't stark talking about restoring the vacant Herold Building, at 310 Prospect Ave. ? Wasn't all the drama surrounding the Herold Building about 4-5 years the impetus for the whole Nucleus project in the first place? If I recall correctly out of town owners (California?) wanted to tear it down for parking and the city was putting up a big fight. Out of nowhere Stark steps in and buys that property and the lot and garage across the street and announces Nucleus. Unfortunately, since then the focus has been Nucleus and you never hear about any plans for the renovation of the other buildings Starks owns on Prospect. I hope they are not forgotten. Edited March 30, 20196 yr by Htsguy
March 30, 20196 yr Isn't the building with the infamous Mr. Albert's and the jewelers supposed to be sacrificed?
March 30, 20196 yr Since when does "the city" put up a fight to save a building like 310? Once again, I'm very disappointed in the Landmarks Commission in not trying to save the last remaining Wade Park Allotment house on Hazel Drive - in this case from the CIM. Edited March 30, 20196 yr by lafont
March 30, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, lafont said: Since when does "the city" put up a fight to save a building like 310? Once again, I'm very disappointed in the Landmarks Commission in not trying to save the last remaining Wade Park Allotment house on Hazel Drive - in this case from the CIM. Sorry to disappoint you but they did.
March 30, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: Sorry to disappoint you but they did. ?? You mean you too are disappointed the house on Hazel didn't get saved? As for 310 Prospect, of course I'm glad it still stands!
April 2, 20196 yr Anyone have an idea how this will look from progressive field behind the plate or around that area?
April 10, 20196 yr Someone tell Bob and Ezra to get us one of these. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/10/ikea-is-opening-a-small-format-store-in-new-york-heres-a-look-inside.html
April 10, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said: Oh no, not another mention of IKEA on this forum ? Lol it always finds its way into threads... "The Rocky River Reservation seems to be missing something more..." "IKEA!"
April 10, 20196 yr Is a new concept, urban IKEA beneath you guys? Duly noted ? Edited April 10, 20196 yr by marty15
April 10, 20196 yr Wishful thinking and unfounded IKEA/Target speculation is the biggest BORE to be found in the "Projects & Construction" suite of pages on UrbanOhio. Edited April 10, 20196 yr by ExPatClevGuy
April 10, 20196 yr 4 hours ago, marty15 said: Is a new concept, urban IKEA beneath you guys? Duly noted ? It's not that, it's just this forum's version of Godwin's Law but instead of Hitler references, it's IKEA.
April 10, 20196 yr Does anyone know if the designs that we have been seeing for Nucleus are the final product? Does anyone know if they are going to do anything aesthetic-wise with the south-facing side of the apartment building so people aren't looking at a blank wall when entering downtown?
April 28, 20196 yr The muted reaction to Clefan 98’s very fine and informative rendering may be that many of us, seeing the new Nucleus in this perspective, are having a bit of an “Is that all there is?” moment. Compared to Stark’s original vision (hyperbole) and the game-changing love it or hate it visual we saw in the original version, this Nucleus is a modest addition to the skyline. Don’t get me wrong, I think it will still be dynamic in its neighborhood, contribute density and hopefully, ground presence -I’m very happy we’re getting it - but the real scale of its downsizing is evident.
April 28, 20196 yr On other words, it won't add that much to Downtown Cleveland. True. Not what it could have been. On the other hand, if the market isn't ready for more, that's okay I guess. Edited April 28, 20196 yr by lafont
April 28, 20196 yr ...that looks a lot shorter than Ohio Bell Tower considering the difference of just 12 feet between the two buildings. "We each pay a fabulous price for our visions of paradise." - ????, ???????
April 28, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Boxtruffles said: ...that looks a lot shorter than Ohio Bell Tower considering the difference of just 12 feet between the two buildings. My thoughts as well, I don't know why Stark would have it on their second page if it doesn't do the project justice.
April 28, 20196 yr Always wanted to do this, an hour later and now I know how. Gonna spend some time today plugging in other projects and "guesstimassings". Lmk if there's any specific viewpoints I should post, it's truly quite impactful from certain angles.
April 28, 20196 yr Regarding the image from Starks website. When I first saw that I was going to post it but I almost felt embarrassed for them as It is just horrible. That is like someone's first attempt at Photoshop. Not to mention someone needs to update their Google maps as that image of downtown is about 6 years old. Really sloppy work. I hope that doesn't stay as a part of their marketing material.
April 28, 20196 yr I don't think they're trying to use this picture to show the might of the project. Rather, they are promoting the location as the heart of the city, close to whatever it is that you want to do. Page 2: https://starkenterprises.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Property-Flyer-nuCLEus-2019.pdf Edited April 28, 20196 yr by smimes
April 29, 20196 yr Lol I tried embedding this but my phone isn't cooperating https://twitter.com/NickCastele/status/1122988880632909825 Edited April 29, 20196 yr by GISguy Formatting
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