Well since we are having so much fun, one more...

 

OMG, we are amassing a massive number of massings!

 

Nice job, all of you!

The skyscraper looks out of place. The area is populated with a lot of short buildings. They are going to have to figure out a way to make it unique but not stick out like a sore thumb.

 

How tall with the smaller building be? Can you make massing with the Nucleus towers and the convention center hotel? Thanks and nice job

I revised two of my images to show the convention center hotel.

 

 

 

Mayday, do you know how tall the smaller tower will be?

No.

I'm not seeing the Convention hotel in those two pictures Mayday.

^Next to the Justice Center.

For whatever reason they didn't show up on my screen originally.

The skyscraper looks out of place. The area is populated with a lot of short buildings. They are going to have to figure out a way to make it unique but not stick out like a sore thumb.

 

 

Strange comment. It's a skyscraper. It's supposed to stick out. Who cares if the area has smaller buildings?

There are skyscrapers all over the place as little as a block away. As long as it does a good job of bridging the scalar differences between East 4th and the Gateway District I think it'll be great.

^^ I wonder if people said the same thing when Terminal Tower was built ;)

This will make quite an impact on the skyline.  It really extends it toward the south.

 

The only missing view I would like to see with a massing is from the West Shoreway or Edgewater Park.

Question?  Has it been stated in any other media other than that Freshwater article that the primary tower was going to be 550 feet.  I just don't have a memory that the exact height has been mentioned previously. 

Question?  Has it been stated in any other media other than that Freshwater article that the primary tower was going to be 550 feet.  I just don't have a memory that the exact height has been mentioned previously. 

 

I don't have the source handy, but I know for sure that Litt mentioned in one of his articles that it would likely be a 500+ foot tower

it really balances out skyline shots doesnt it?

This will make quite an impact on the skyline.  It really extends it toward the south.

 

The only missing view I would like to see with a massing is from the West Shoreway or Edgewater Park.

 

Here you go - I'm not completely sure on this because of the bend on Prospect once it crosses Ontario.

^ Wow. i love that. thats my view while walking the dogs.

Thanks MayDay.  That really closes a gap in the skyline.

Makes me wish the PD never ran that story about the ferrari building.  Now im just getting greedy

I'm ready to hear more news about this Stark's nuCLEus Project. When is the ground breaking?

I'm ready to hear more news about this Stark's nuCLEus Project. When is the ground breaking?

 

You should go straight to the source. Contact Stark Enterprises at 216-464-2860

 

Or check their website http://www.starkenterprises.com/

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it really balances out skyline shots doesnt it?

 

Yes, I agree with this 100 percent!  This is the perfect location for a 500 footer,

 

Where would another location be a good spot for a 500 footer?  Obviously, at Public Square.  But, beyond this, I would think at the old Hippodrome location.  And on the Prospect side since it is close to Nucleus and would expand on the momentum in the area.

 

Other ideas?

it really balances out skyline shots doesnt it?

 

Yes, I agree with this 100 percent!  This is the perfect location for a 500 footer,

 

Where would another location be a good spot for a 500 footer?  Obviously, at Public Square.  But, beyond this, I would think at the old Hippodrome location.  And on the Prospect side since it is close to Nucleus and would expand on the momentum in the area.

 

Other ideas?

 

I'd love to see one on that southwest corner of W3 and St Clair to start filling in warehouse lots and box in the Justice Center!

^ yeah i agree with that site. a start to filling those cursed parking lots in.

 

speaking of the 'ol lots, does anyone have a map of the lot sizes by lot ownership? it would be great if someone could make one, that is if all the lot owners are known? we could have fun playing simcity with a thread like that, call out the do-nothing lot owners and who knows, it might even inspire a developer? ha.

The tower should be 529'+ in order to be the 4th tallest building, not 500. Erieview tower is 529' and is currently the 4th tallest building in Cleveland.

^ yeah i agree with that site. a start to filling those cursed parking lots in.

 

speaking of the 'ol lots, does anyone have a map of the lot sizes by lot ownership? it would be great if someone could make one, that is if all the lot owners are known? we could have fun playing simcity with a thread like that, call out the do-nothing lot owners and who knows, it might even inspire a developer? ha.

 

http://skorasaurus.github.io/dtparking

 

should be current with all parking lots that are available to the public.

 

It doesn't have lot ownership, but I'd like to add that one day... With some simple math, could also guess on the sq. footage of the map as well with it.

 

(down at the moment, it'll be back in a few hours).

^ yeah i agree with that site. a start to filling those cursed parking lots in.

 

speaking of the 'ol lots, does anyone have a map of the lot sizes by lot ownership? it would be great if someone could make one, that is if all the lot owners are known? we could have fun playing simcity with a thread like that, call out the do-nothing lot owners and who knows, it might even inspire a developer? ha.

 

http://skorasaurus.github.io/dtparking

 

should be current with all parking lots that are available to the public.

 

It doesn't have lot ownership, but I'd like to add that one day... With some simple math, could also guess on the sq. footage of the map as well with it.

 

(down at the moment, it'll be back in a few hours).

 

 

That's the first time I've ever cringed from seeing a large amount of the color green on a map

^^Wow there is a lot of infill to do

Also hopefully the Stark development will jumpstart new construction, I hate the way downtown looks East of the Residences at 1717.

^ yeah i agree with that site. a start to filling those cursed parking lots in.

 

speaking of the 'ol lots, does anyone have a map of the lot sizes by lot ownership? it would be great if someone could make one, that is if all the lot owners are known? we could have fun playing simcity with a thread like that, call out the do-nothing lot owners and who knows, it might even inspire a developer? ha.

 

http://skorasaurus.github.io/dtparking

 

should be current with all parking lots that are available to the public.

 

It doesn't have lot ownership, but I'd like to add that one day... With some simple math, could also guess on the sq. footage of the map as well with it.

 

(down at the moment, it'll be back in a few hours).

 

wow nice work. this is just excellent. would you mind starting a new thread with that image? we could help identify the lot owners and parcel sizes. maybe straight up call it 'the downtown cleveland parking lots thread' or something.

Another day another massing. From a very recent www.freshwatercleveland.com article. Probably means nothing...

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/features/keyconnections120614.aspx

Very interesting!

Very interesting!

 

I like that bridged section--would be cool to have something modern downtown.

Looks like the height of the residential tower is now 550 feet according to the article... very nice!

Guys that article was first posted in this thread on Dec. 17 with multiple posts discussing the alledged  550 height of the building.  So yes it probably means nothing as suggested and we have already been discussing it for three weeks.

^Yes the link was but the massing wasn't. That's why I posted it.

I like the bridge too. The massing (at least the upper part) looks similar to another upcoming building designed by NBBJ, the Tencent Headquarters in Shenzen, China:

 

First look: nuCLEus project renderings show 54-story tower in downtown Cleveland (gallery)

 

By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer

on January 08, 2015 at 5:27 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A residential tower at the nuCLEus project in downtown Cleveland could stand 54 stories - or 647 feet - high, making it the city's fourth-tallest building.

 

The developers behind the skyline-changing nuCLEus proposal filed their first crop of renderings with the city Thursday. The images show how Stark Enterprises of Cleveland and J-Dek Investments Ltd. of Solon hope to fit apartments, offices, stores, restaurants, hotel rooms, parking garages and - possibly - a few dozen condominiums onto a 3-acre site in the Gateway District.

 

J-Dek and Stark also confirmed that they've hired NBBJ as the lead architect on the project, which now carries an estimated price tag of $380 million to $400 million. Bialosky + Partners Architects, a local firm, will assist NBBJ designers from Columbus, New York and Shanghai.

 

"This is an exciting stage in our development process," Bob Stark, president and chief executive officer of Stark Enterprises, said in a written statement. "NBBJ's international reputation and experience will help us create something that is truly iconic for Cleveland."

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/01/first_look_nucleus_project_ren.html#incart_river

 

First look: nuCLEus project renderings show 54-story tower in downtown Cleveland (gallery)

 

By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer

on January 08, 2015 at 5:27 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A residential tower at the nuCLEus project in downtown Cleveland could stand 54 stories - or 647 feet - high, making it the city's fourth-tallest building.

 

The developers behind the skyline-changing nuCLEus proposal filed their first crop of renderings with the city Thursday. The images show how Stark Enterprises of Cleveland and J-Dek Investments Ltd. of Solon hope to fit apartments, offices, stores, restaurants, hotel rooms, parking garages and - possibly - a few dozen condominiums onto a 3-acre site in the Gateway District.

 

J-Dek and Stark also confirmed that they've hired NBBJ as the lead architect on the project, which now carries an estimated price tag of $380 million to $400 million. Bialosky + Partners Architects, a local firm, will assist NBBJ designers from Columbus, New York and Shanghai.

 

"This is an exciting stage in our development process," Bob Stark, president and chief executive officer of Stark Enterprises, said in a written statement. "NBBJ's international reputation and experience will help us create something that is truly iconic for Cleveland."

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/01/first_look_nucleus_project_ren.html#incart_river

 

Holy sh##!  That is impressive.

Holy Hell!  Nice!

 

Anyone else notice the city Target in the one rendering? Haha

^^ Holy sh##t, indeed ... I'll admit, I was a major Bob Stark critic when I perceived him tap-dancing and blowing smoke over in the Warehouse District for years while building all his major projects out in the burbs like Eton and Cracker, er, Crocker Park.  But he's made me a believer now, because he's no longer just talking... He always said he felt Cleveland should do something BIG downtown and, well ...

Looks like they they intend to visually extend E. 4th street all the way to the Arena. 

Anyone else notice the city Target in the one rendering? Haha

I saw a C B 2

Anyone else notice the city Target in the one rendering? Haha

I saw a C B 2

 

Pretty sure it says C L E.

 

The one rendering omits the skywalk between the parking garage and the Q. That would be nice.

^ ah crap you're right. I got too excited.

Looks like they they intend to visually extend E. 4th street all the way to the Arena. 

 

Looks awesome.  I just thought, though, that nuCLEus' footprint was wholly to the east of 4th street.  If this rendering is true, it means sayonara to the Herold Building, although the last I recall was that L&R's permission to demolish was denied by the CPC.  No?