November 16, 20195 yr Probably just asking for more time to fix code violations. Like the broken windows on Chester at street level.
November 16, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Anyone know what this use is? An adult school? Wednesday, November 27th , 2019 AGENDA BOARD OF BUILDING STANDARDS AND BUILDING APPEALS Docket A-226-19 909 Euclid Avenue WARD: 3 (Kerry McCormack) HH Cleveland Huntington L.P., Owner of the B Business- Offices, Laboratories, Adult School High-Rise Building appeals from a NOTICE OF VIOLATION-FAILURE TO REGISTER, dated July 23, 2019; appellant is requesting for nine (9) months to abate the violations. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/bbs/agenda/2019/AGENDA11272019.pdf There is also a duplicate docket on that same page for the Garfield bldg.
January 10, 20205 yr Redirected from the Random Developments thread..... 2 minutes ago, freefourur said: The Centennial is getting close, I think. Finishing up capital stack. I thought KJP was referring to new construction though. Nope. You got it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 10, 20205 yr So glad to hear that this is back on track! This is such a massive building, it will have a huge impact right in the heart of Downtown.
January 10, 20205 yr My understanding is that this will be LIHTC deal and financing is almost all nailed down.
January 10, 20205 yr I had heard it would include OZ funding. I wonder if they can mix LIHTC, Historical, and OZ all in on shabang. I heard this will be one of the more complicated capital stacks in CLE's recent history.
January 10, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said: I had heard it would include OZ funding. I wonder if they can mix LIHTC, Historical, and OZ all in on shabang. I heard this will be one of the more complicated capital stacks in CLE's recent history. There should not be any issues mixing those sources. Sometimes one development will create multiple LLCs for different aspects of a deal to make it work. But yes, this is a complicated deal due to the size of the building.
January 10, 20205 yr The sheer size of this project should enable them to incorporate multiple mixed-use into the development and therefore multiple funding sources.
January 16, 20205 yr Hope the massive lobby becomes a big hit with pedestrian activity like the rotunda at Heinens for both locals and visitors alike.
January 17, 20205 yr Folks, the Class B office space discussion is best for another thread. And Terdolph is best for another forum (he's been suspended for quite some time). clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 1, 20205 yr Um... Excuse me, but... What the what?! Where did this render come from? That august old banking hall looks like it's been restyled as... the Paris Opera - only more du-Luxe Edit: It also looks like the floor has been raised to make the room feel more intimate, and perhaps to add room for mechanicals. Edited February 1, 20205 yr by ExPatClevGuy
February 1, 20205 yr And after a second look, I don't think their inspiration (or my comparison) is that far off... Edited February 1, 20205 yr by ExPatClevGuy
February 1, 20205 yr 49 minutes ago, ExPatClevGuy said: Um... Excuse me, but... What the what?! Where did this render come from? That august old banking hall looks like it's been restyled as... the Paris Opera - only more du-Luxe Edit: It also looks like the floor has been raised to make the room feel more intimate, and perhaps to add room for mechanicals. My goodness. That’s breathtaking. I love to see Cleveland looking like this
February 1, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, inlovewithCLE said: My goodness. That’s breathtaking. I love to see Cleveland looking like this Magnifique!
February 1, 20205 yr 46 minutes ago, ASPhotoman said: Never seen that rending before. Are there anymore somewhere? Yes @ASPhotoman. I posted that first rendering in a tweet about the TMUD tax credit. Here are a few more.... Edited February 1, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 1, 20205 yr WOW. Those are gorgeous. Looks like it'll certainly pay homage to what's looking like the roaring 20's in Cleveland.
February 1, 20205 yr 54 minutes ago, ASPhotoman said: WOW. Those are gorgeous. Looks like it'll certainly pay homage to what's looking like the roaring 20's in Cleveland. The restaurant concept would be a nice space. Too bad that in this day and age it will then be populated by poorly dressed 2O somethings in plaid flannel shirts and baseball caps. Oh my was that an old person's rant? Yes it was.?
February 1, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, Htsguy said: The restaurant concept would be a nice space. Too bad that in this day and age it will then be populated by poorly dressed 2O somethings in plaid flannel shirts and baseball caps. Oh my was that an old person's rant? Yes it was.? If it's like the Marble Room or Adega, the clientele will present themselves more appropriately. But it will be interesting to see if that can be achieved if the rumored mix of uses, from workforce housing to a high-end restaurant to a five-star hotel come to pass. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 1, 20205 yr 16 minutes ago, Htsguy said: The restaurant concept would be a nice space. Too bad that in this day and age it will then be populated by poorly dressed 2O somethings in plaid flannel shirts and baseball caps. Oh my was that an old person's rant? Yes it was.? Okay boomer... ? Kidding...but honestly, having been to Marble Room a couple times I don't see people dressed like that. 20yo's who dine out at higher end restaurants know how to dress. I'm really excited to see the car showroom in this project. When it was first discussed, I pictured something completely different, and this far exceeds my expectations.
February 1, 20205 yr WOW. This is amazing. I love the outside canopy as well. Seems like they are sparing no expense here... if the renderings come to be accurate.
February 1, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: If it's like the Marble Room or Adega, the clientele will present themselves more appropriately. But it will be interesting to see if that can be achieved if the rumored mix of uses, from workforce housing to a high-end restaurant to a five-star hotel come to pass. The rendering of the exterior entrance should be a clue as to their target audience, unless there are that many twenty-somethings driving MBs in Cleveland these days. It's crazy, but other cities (NYC) has utilized different entrances/exits for different functional uses; around the corner from one another. Edited February 1, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
February 1, 20205 yr Now that I'm in front of my desktop, I can also share the plans for the first three floors, starting with the "basement" level.... Edited February 1, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 1, 20205 yr @KJP Have you heard that the hotel component is still in play? Also all that retail scares me. We're just not there yet...
February 1, 20205 yr Just now, freethink said: @KJP Have you heard that the hotel component is still in play? Also all that retail scares me. We're just not there yet... Yes. It's newly in play. The previous plan was to have office in there. Their stacking plan on LoopNet still shows the office, not the hotel yet. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 1, 20205 yr I think it looks absolutely phenomenal and look forward to paying it (It'll always be the old Union Trust) a visit when I'm in town. Edited February 1, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
February 1, 20205 yr Maybe about 10 years ago there was talk about the Crawford Auto Museum moving back downtown. I wonder if that's what this depicts.
February 1, 20205 yr I know parking downtown is tightening up, but this is ridiculous. Can't they find a garage somewhere?
March 17, 20205 yr MONDAY, MARCH 16, 2020 nuCLEus and Centennial projects may start this summer Two major development projects in downtown Cleveland could get underway this summer. And we're not just talking about the 23-story City Club Apartments, the 75 Public Square renovation NEOtrans reported on last November, or the site preparations for Sherwin-Williams' new headquarters tower on Public Square that NEOtrans nailed months before it was announced. Not only are those projects still "go," but so may be the duo of 24-story, new-construction towers comprising the long-planned nuCLEus development. And so might the massive reconstruction of 925 Euclid Ave. into The Centennial be a go. According to several sources who spoke off the record, both projects are on track for the start of construction this summer. No new features are known for nuCLEus as of yet, but two sources said that The Centennial, a 21-story, 1.3-million-square-foot former office building, is proposed to be renovated with a J.W. Marriott Hotel. That would be Cleveland's first five-star hotel brand since the 17-story Omni International Hotel was demolished in 2000 for the InterContinental Hotel, 9801 Carnegie Ave. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/03/nucleus-and-centennial-projects-may.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 17, 20205 yr Centennial is breathtaking. I love this project for several reasons, one of the biggest is it’s like us reclaiming our former opulence. We deserve it damn it. It’s beautiful for our city
March 17, 20205 yr Landing a JW would be big, there aren’t that many. I would think this would help spur some retail development in this part of downtown, such as the corner of the Schofield and all the new empty storefronts going towards Playhouse Square. I usually am all for preserving the original architecture but in this case the addition of the chandeliers is stunning. Will that be allowed under the rules for historic tax credits? Edited March 17, 20205 yr by mrclifton88
March 17, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: Landing a JW would be big, there aren’t that many. I would think this would help spur some retail development in this part of downtown, such as the corner of the Schofield and all the new empty storefronts going towards Playhouse Square. I usually am all for preserving the original architecture but in this case the addition of the chandeliers is stunning. Will that be allowed under the rules for historic tax credits? The chandeliers shouldn't be an issue. Most of the time tax credits will focus on the facade and "bones" of the property being redeveloped from my time as an auditor of projects like these. Also Sinito is an expert at these tax credit deals with years of exp. Edited March 17, 20205 yr by WindyBuckeye new info
March 17, 20205 yr I just cannot stop gawking at these renderings... what stunning design highlighting all the original beauty and detail of the original building. At the same time everything new, from the proposed canopies outside to the design of the interior fits so flawlessly with the character of the space and even manages to elevate it MORE. I can't wait to see how this comes to life. And I cannot help but cringe at what a "Miami Beach flair" might have done to this building ... (anyone remember that? ?) ... very glad Sinitio's designers have good taste lol
March 17, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: I just cannot stop gawking at these renderings... what stunning design highlighting all the original beauty and detail of the original building. At the same time everything new, from the proposed canopies outside to the design of the interior fits so flawlessly with the character of the space and even manages to elevate it MORE. I can't wait to see how this comes to life. And I cannot help but cringe at what a "Miami Beach flair" might have done to this building ... (anyone remember that? ?) ... very glad Sinitio's designers have good taste lol Sinito is the perfect fit for this building with what he did with the Garfield. I expect this project to get going once 75 Public Square is completely started.
March 17, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: And I cannot help but cringe at what a "Miami Beach flair" might have done to this building ... (anyone remember that? ?) ... very glad Sinitio's designers have good taste lol That was the prior owners, Hudson Holdings, who envisioned that. This is a special, grand, elegant space with few equals in the USA. If renovation gets underway this summer, it should be fully complete when this grand dame celebrates its 100th birthday. To celebrate it with historical, luxurious elements is a great way to proceed, IMHO. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 17, 20205 yr 28 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: And I cannot help but cringe at what a "Miami Beach flair" might have done to this building ... (anyone remember that? ?) ... very glad Sinitio's designers have good taste lol ^ Truth! That was the tackiest statement ever and made me worried we were getting a slightly more upscale version of Joes Crab Shack.
March 17, 20205 yr fantastic and refreshingly straightforward plans. with a solid marriott hotel brand. its a stunna.
April 5, 20205 yr Maybe not the right place, but one of the former building engineers shared some history and tidbits about the building in Twitter (click to see the thread)
April 30, 20205 yr Pretty cool virtual tour of 925 Euclid..... https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=6Hua2vCT2vA Unfortunately, a five-star hotel (rumored to be JW Marriott) won't be part of the development. Hoteliers don't have the resources to pursue expansion at this time. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 30, 20205 yr Wow that is disappointing ... without that component are they still able to move forward?
April 30, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: Wow that is disappointing ... without that component are they still able to move forward? I don't know. They still propose 400,000 SF of offices listed as a major component. The office market appears to be picking up momentum downtown as more employers in the region want to be there to boost recruitment. But I'm hearing that Millennia's financial situation these days isn't exactly liquid. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 30, 20205 yr The building is huge. Maybe they can month ball that section where the hotel was suppose to go and pursue it when better times come. Also dividing the project into phases might help the finances if they are indeed having issues. This would be a "phase 2" I would not have a problem with since it would be virtually hidden, unlike your usual depressing phase 2 empty lot next door a project.
April 30, 20205 yr Not a bad plan. If Marriott had an interest in putting a JW in Cleveland before this hopefully if things recover in the future they still will. That was a really big win.
April 30, 20205 yr That’s a spectacular main level. Hope the hotel returns in the very near future and that the project still moves forward straightaway.
May 1, 20205 yr I spent a decent amount of time in these spaces. I found them grand but sort of cold, or almost impossible to re-use in a way that both makes economic sense and feels warm. I hope I am wrong but I think the idea these are great spaces is a very overrated notion. Just my two cents. I hope the redevelopment turns out great and I am dead wrong
May 2, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, misterjoshr said: I spent a decent amount of time in these spaces. I found them grand but sort of cold, or almost impossible to re-use in a way that both makes economic sense and feels warm. I hope I am wrong but I think the idea these are great spaces is a very overrated notion. Just my two cents. I hope the redevelopment turns out great and I am dead wrong I photographed a wedding reception there once and it was an amazing use of space. Bummed they're no longer offering it as a venue anymore.
May 2, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, misterjoshr said: I spent a decent amount of time in these spaces. I found them grand but sort of cold, or almost impossible to re-use in a way that both makes economic sense and feels warm. I hope I am wrong but I think the idea these are great spaces is a very overrated notion. Just my two cents. I hope the redevelopment turns out great and I am dead wrong If it can be redeveloped in a manner similar to the Marble Room (or similar to its renderings, below), I think it will be a success. And since it's the same developer as the Marble Room, it couldn't be in better hands -- assuming Millennia has the resources in the near future. Just gotta use lots of tapestries! Edited May 2, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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