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September 14, 201410 yr Thanks for these photos. I haven't been in this area since about 1999 so I recognized a few things but it looks like a lot of it is new. Here is where I was on my 21st birthday:
September 14, 201410 yr I'm glad ya'll liked the photos. Intown Atlanta has changed so much over the last ten years. The beltline has been an amazing success and is bringing people back into the core of the area.
September 15, 201410 yr Great stuff! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
September 15, 201410 yr Nice pics. I've been to some fabulous parties at masquerade, that area has changed, but I do no like the new builds, but love the renovated victorians and craftman homes with porches. And you kids know how I feel about ATL.
September 15, 201410 yr Wow, thanks for the photos. I just flew in and out of Atlanta twice during the past week and my only experience was seeing the city from the air. It is a HUGE HUGE HUGE very spread out city. I'm not even sure how a city can sustain such a huge footprint. I would be miserable living outside of the core. One thing that struck me from the air, there was a very tight CBD and then an immediate section of low-rise single house neighborhoods. I don't know much about Atlanta, but I also noticed something that seemed like a 2nd downtown to the North.... Nevertheless, thank you so much for these photos, this is exactly what I would expect from inner city Atlanta in 2014...A big big city with a major movement of near-town activity.
September 15, 201410 yr .. . I don't know much about Atlanta, but I also noticed something that seemed like a 2nd downtown to the North.... Pretty sure that is Buckhead, Atlanta. I went to a conference there years ago. At the time it seemed all the new money was setting up there.
September 15, 201410 yr Wow, thanks for the photos. I just flew in and out of Atlanta twice during the past week and my only experience was seeing the city from the air. It is a HUGE HUGE HUGE very spread out city. I'm not even sure how a city can sustain such a huge footprint. I would be miserable living outside of the core. One thing that struck me from the air, there was a very tight CBD and then an immediate section of low-rise single house neighborhoods. I don't know much about Atlanta, but I also noticed something that seemed like a 2nd downtown to the North.... Nevertheless, thank you so much for these photos, this is exactly what I would expect from inner city Atlanta in 2014...A big big city with a major movement of near-town activity. Yeah, there are ordinary single-family homes within a mile of the downtown. That is typical of most Southern cities. Nashville is definitely like that. The famous Music Row area is a neighborhood of typical houses about a mile from the downtown, and in East Nashville a prewar 1200 sq foot bungalow or shotgun house that would sell for $30,000 in Ohio goes for $250,000.
September 15, 201410 yr Nice pics. I've been to some fabulous parties at masquerade, that area has changed, but I do no like the new builds, but love the renovated victorians and craftman homes with porches. And you kids know how I feel about ATL. I remember that the club had two distinct areas where two completely different types of events might be happening. One was sort of a half-floor up from the sidewalk and the bigger space was up maybe two or three flights of steps.
September 15, 201410 yr excellent thread. i see a lot of continual improvements and a nice mix. these look like pretty comfortable starter family neighborhoods.
September 15, 201410 yr .. . I don't know much about Atlanta, but I also noticed something that seemed like a 2nd downtown to the North.... Pretty sure that is Buckhead, Atlanta. I went to a conference there years ago. At the time it seemed all the new money was setting up there. that would be "midtown". "Downtown" Atlanta is primarily a hotel district. "Midtown" the 14 street cooridor is their 2nd downtown. Buckhead is equivalent to Cleveland Beechwood.
September 15, 201410 yr Thanks for all the comments ya'll. I will be taking photos this week of Buckhead, West Midtown and Chamblee, which is a working class suburb northeast of Atlanta.
September 16, 201410 yr I've always been kind of skeptical of Atlanta, but these photos are definitely making me want to visit. It looks like there is a ton of creative energy and new development throughout the city. Does MARTA cover most of the neighborhoods pictured in this thread? I've heard it's a less than optimal transit system...
September 16, 201410 yr Edale, MARTA does indeed cover most of the neighborhoods in this thread. Inman Park is served by MARTA's Blue and Green Line. MARTA is fairly useful inside the perimeter. Outside though not so much since it only covers the City of Atlanta, Fulton and DeKalb Counties. This fall Clayton County will be voting on joining MARTA. If it passes the county will start seeing bus service next spring and commuter rail by 2023.
September 20, 201410 yr My cousin is a dolphin trainer in Atlanta and loves it. She lives downtown and says it has incredible bang for buck. If you live in the right neighborhood, you can walk and take transit everywhere. I guess they do have a decent heavy rail system, but just too many people drive instead of using it. Still, got to give them credit for MARTA and if you live in downtown, you're in a well-functioning urban neighborhood.
September 20, 201410 yr My cousin is a dolphin trainer in Atlanta and loves it. She lives downtown and says it has incredible bang for buck. If you live in the right neighborhood, you can walk and take transit everywhere. I guess they do have a decent heavy rail system, but just too many people drive instead of using it. Still, got to give them credit for MARTA and if you live in downtown, you're in a well-functioning urban neighborhood. I completely disagree about downtown ATL. The sidewalks roll up at 4:30pm. The only things open are hotels. The hotels out number any other commercial building in downtown ATL.
September 20, 201410 yr My cousin is a dolphin trainer in Atlanta and loves it. Of course you have a cousin who is a dolphin trainer.
September 20, 201410 yr My cousin is a dolphin trainer in Atlanta and loves it. She lives downtown and says it has incredible bang for buck. If you live in the right neighborhood, you can walk and take transit everywhere. I guess they do have a decent heavy rail system, but just too many people drive instead of using it. Still, got to give them credit for MARTA and if you live in downtown, you're in a well-functioning urban neighborhood. I completely disagree about downtown ATL. The sidewalks roll up at 4:30pm. The only things open are hotels. The hotels out number any other commercial building in downtown ATL. Yeah, all of the south is pretty sleep IMO. Only New York, Toronto, Chicago, DC, and San Francisco feel lively to me, at least on weeknights (maybe throw Seattle in too). It just seems Atlanta is slightly better than some other cities down there...cough, cough, Raleigh, Charlotte, Orlando, Jacksonville, etc. As in, "you can take a big train somewhere." But overall, most American downtowns are way too sleepy, with or without transit. MARTA seems like it has a lot of potential though. Its ridership numbers are low and it could support a lot more.
September 20, 201410 yr MARTA service is ok in the city, especially the linear stops along downtown to Midtown, but it barely touches the burbs.
September 21, 201410 yr My cousin is a dolphin trainer in Atlanta and loves it. She lives downtown and says it has incredible bang for buck. If you live in the right neighborhood, you can walk and take transit everywhere. I guess they do have a decent heavy rail system, but just too many people drive instead of using it. Still, got to give them credit for MARTA and if you live in downtown, you're in a well-functioning urban neighborhood. I completely disagree about downtown ATL. The sidewalks roll up at 4:30pm. The only things open are hotels. The hotels out number any other commercial building in downtown ATL. Yeah, all of the south is pretty sleep IMO. Only New York, Toronto, Chicago, DC, and San Francisco feel lively to me, at least on weeknights (maybe throw Seattle in too). It just seems Atlanta is slightly better than some other cities down there...cough, cough, Raleigh, Charlotte, Orlando, Jacksonville, etc. As in, "you can take a big train somewhere." But overall, most American downtowns are way too sleepy, with or without transit. MARTA seems like it has a lot of potential though. Its ridership numbers are low and it could support a lot more. Have you spent a any time in NYC, Toronto, DC or CHI? What are you prerequisites of a "lively" downtown? ATL is the "only" city in the Southeast. Granted, I feel like it's just a big town. Suburban sprawl on steriods ground zero!
September 21, 201410 yr ^the population of the city is amazingly small given the population of the metro region which really does equal significant sprawl. I wonder if part of this can be explained by Atlanta having a small geographical footprint compared to other major cities (although they clearly love their suburbs which explains much of it). I do note that the city population is now actually growing after years of decline. Very impressed by many of the renovated neighborhoods shown in the two threads. I personally could not live there due to the humid summers (all three times I have visited it was in the summer). That would just kill me, especially if I have to wear a suit to work.
September 21, 201410 yr ^the population of the city is amazingly small given the population of the metro region which really does equal significant sprawl. I wonder if part of this can be explained by Atlanta having a small geographical footprint compared to other major cities (although they clearly love their suburbs which explains much of it). I do note that the city population is now actually growing after years of decline. Very impressed by many of the renovated neighborhoods shown in the two threads. I personally could not live there due to the humid summers (all three times I have visited it was in the summer). That would just kill me, especially if I have to wear a suit to work. Although the "love fest" with ATL is coming to an end. The region lost population again. I don't have final data but since 2010 they've lost something like ~55k residents. Most migrating to Houston/Dallas. Cities which continue to grow! SMDH! ATL in the summer is no worse than Cleveland. In fact, we may be worse in August and September.
September 21, 201410 yr no, atlanta has since gained over 20kpop and is on a gaining trend. as a simple googling would show you. but i don't mean to slow your anti-atl roll.
September 21, 201410 yr My cousin is a dolphin trainer in Atlanta and loves it. She lives downtown and says it has incredible bang for buck. If you live in the right neighborhood, you can walk and take transit everywhere. I guess they do have a decent heavy rail system, but just too many people drive instead of using it. Still, got to give them credit for MARTA and if you live in downtown, you're in a well-functioning urban neighborhood. I completely disagree about downtown ATL. The sidewalks roll up at 4:30pm. The only things open are hotels. The hotels out number any other commercial building in downtown ATL. Yeah, all of the south is pretty sleep IMO. Only New York, Toronto, Chicago, DC, and San Francisco feel lively to me, at least on weeknights (maybe throw Seattle in too). It just seems Atlanta is slightly better than some other cities down there...cough, cough, Raleigh, Charlotte, Orlando, Jacksonville, etc. As in, "you can take a big train somewhere." But overall, most American downtowns are way too sleepy, with or without transit. MARTA seems like it has a lot of potential though. Its ridership numbers are low and it could support a lot more. Have you spent a any time in NYC, Toronto, DC or CHI? What are you prerequisites of a "lively" downtown? ATL is the "only" city in the Southeast. Granted, I feel like it's just a big town. Suburban sprawl on steriods ground zero! Yes, I've spent lots of time in those cities. Lower Manhattan and Midtown win by a mile as far as business districts go. Downtown Chicago, Downtown Toronto, and Downtown San Francisco (mainly Union Square) are the next tier, meaning vibrant happy hour culture, people on dates, people having dinner, people shopping, people on the streets after work, etc. Any city heavy with tourism will have an edge at its urban core. Do tourists flock to Atlanta? Nightlife would be the big criteria, but most cities have their best nightlife outside business districts in the more residential neighborhoods. Manhattan is nice because it's more mixed-use and late-night transit supports better nightlife. I'd only consider a handful of American downtown areas lively, with New York by far the winner. What's happening in Rust Belt cities is interesting because there is a lot of growth in both residents and nightlife. That makes me think businesses will follow. Maybe some of the HQ's that moved to the burbs will come back? I could see that happening in Atlanta too given what looks like a lot of growth in urban core neighborhoods. Gen Y wants density and wants transit. How many of these new developments are transit-adjacent (say under a mile from a MARTA station)? *The sprawl is just out of control in Atlanta, but that is the case in nearly every southern city I've seen. Charlotte is horrific too, and may be pound-for-pound worse than Atlanta. Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc. are also insanely sprawled. The entire state of Florida save for Miami's core seems sprawled too. The majority of people in the United States live in sprawl. :|
September 22, 201410 yr My cousin is a dolphin trainer in Atlanta and loves it. She lives downtown and says it has incredible bang for buck. If you live in the right neighborhood, you can walk and take transit everywhere. I guess they do have a decent heavy rail system, but just too many people drive instead of using it. Still, got to give them credit for MARTA and if you live in downtown, you're in a well-functioning urban neighborhood. I completely disagree about downtown ATL. The sidewalks roll up at 4:30pm. The only things open are hotels. The hotels out number any other commercial building in downtown ATL. Yeah, all of the south is pretty sleep IMO. Only New York, Toronto, Chicago, DC, and San Francisco feel lively to me, at least on weeknights (maybe throw Seattle in too). It just seems Atlanta is slightly better than some other cities down there...cough, cough, Raleigh, Charlotte, Orlando, Jacksonville, etc. As in, "you can take a big train somewhere." But overall, most American downtowns are way too sleepy, with or without transit. MARTA seems like it has a lot of potential though. Its ridership numbers are low and it could support a lot more. Have you spent a any time in NYC, Toronto, DC or CHI? What are you prerequisites of a "lively" downtown? ATL is the "only" city in the Southeast. Granted, I feel like it's just a big town. Suburban sprawl on steriods ground zero! Yes, I've spent lots of time in those cities. Lower Manhattan and Midtown win by a mile as far as business districts go. Downtown Chicago, Downtown Toronto, and Downtown San Francisco (mainly Union Square) are the next tier, meaning vibrant happy hour culture, people on dates, people having dinner, people shopping, people on the streets after work, etc. Any city heavy with tourism will have an edge at its urban core. Do tourists flock to Atlanta? Nightlife would be the big criteria, but most cities have their best nightlife outside business districts in the more residential neighborhoods. Manhattan is nice because it's more mixed-use and late-night transit supports better nightlife. I'd only consider a handful of American downtown areas lively, with New York by far the winner. What's happening in Rust Belt cities is interesting because there is a lot of growth in both residents and nightlife. That makes me think businesses will follow. Maybe some of the HQ's that moved to the burbs will come back? I could see that happening in Atlanta too given what looks like a lot of growth in urban core neighborhoods. Gen Y wants density and wants transit. How many of these new developments are transit-adjacent (say under a mile from a MARTA station)? *The sprawl is just out of control in Atlanta, but that is the case in nearly every southern city I've seen. Charlotte is horrific too, and may be pound-for-pound worse than Atlanta. Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc. are also insanely sprawled. The entire state of Florida save for Miami's core seems sprawled too. The majority of people in the United States live in sprawl. :| You've spent lots of time in those cities? Humm. "Lower Manhattan"?? Nobody would compare NY to any other N. American city. Atlanta like most of the "New South" was built around freeway access. Charlotte is nothing compared to ATL. Atlanta is nothing compared to Houston. Houston is nothing compared to Honolulu. Miami doesn't have sprawl? Please. They have street sucking development. Yes, they have a nice skyline downtown and on MB. However, from Brickell to Edgewater, there are lots of high rises and very little street activity. The areas of ATL's midtown aren't growing, it's where the development took place for the Olympics. This is why there is only development from Downtown headed north along Peachtree. ATL tore down several poor areas. In cleveland think completely ripping out all of central and building dorms for Tri C. I remember when they tore out TechWood and it was a huge issue nationwide. Midtown East(East of the connector), Virginia-Highlands, Ansley Park & Piedmont were the areas that development took place in first. Then the 4th ward (sweet Auburn) near the King Memorial started to see redevelopment. Those neighborhoods residents and architecture are comparable to Cleveland's Hough, Forest Hill, Edgewater, Mt. Pleasant and Glenville. In Atlanta, there is some perception that the further you live north, "you've arrived". Buckhead went from "the hood" to the "Beverly Hills of the South" I remember when "The mall at Lenox" was an all outdoor mall like Southgate. Now Lenox Mall is a regional draw.
September 22, 201410 yr ^Yeah, Miami seems pretty sprawled up, but I guess like Atlanta, they do have a few dense areas and some transit. Street activity in most of the south seems weak. Nobody would compare NY to any other N. American city. I agree. NYC > North America
September 24, 201410 yr ^Yeah, Miami seems pretty sprawled up, but I guess like Atlanta, they do have a few dense areas and some transit. Street activity in most of the south seems weak. Nobody would compare NY to any other N. American city. I agree. NYC > North America You still haven't lost your knack for skipping over direct questions. Anyway, this is a nice picture thread.
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