June 30, 20195 yr 8 hours ago, Clevecane said: Can you at least tell us what will be first and why?! We need a definitive "heat map" of everything going on around town. There is so much going on. Somebody get on that!?
June 30, 20195 yr Oh and I forgot to mention Wolstein-Kenect apartment building, mainly because no one seems to know where they are with their project. Just guessing, but I think nuCLEus is the big project to start, then Harbor Bay's Market Square and Snavely phase 3 will be the next big projects. I was hoping Dick Pace would be next, unless he's going to get another extension from the city. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 30, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Mov2Ohio said: We need a definitive "heat map" of everything going on around town. There is so much going on. Somebody get on that!? I can do it. It’s pretty easy using Excel and Microsoft Power BI. I’ll try to work on it in my spare time.
June 30, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Mov2Ohio said: We need a definitive "heat map" of everything going on around town. There is so much going on. Somebody get on that!? 5 minutes ago, Klingaling87 said: I can do it. It’s pretty easy using Excel and Microsoft Power BI. I’ll try to work on it in my spare time. First-time poster, long time follower: I’ve been working on this map for a little while. It’s a start, but I’m sure Klingaling will produce something much better-I don’t want to steal your job! Just thought I would share it, although it’s probably missing a few developments (and sorry if the quality is poor). Nonetheless, I think it gets the point across...
June 30, 20195 yr Outstanding first post, Geowizical! Don't forget all of the Knez infill housing north and south of UC, as well as his project up at East 55th/I-90. Plus the Midtown townhouses are about to go into Phase 2 with another developer building north of them. Bakery building just west of Tappan and the Front Steps just north of them. Tinnerman Building. The McCafferty redevelopment. The project on the NE corner of Lorain and Randall. There's two projects at Scranton and Kenilworth/Willey. The Westinghouse tower is a big one. West 78th lofts. Brickhaus has a pulse, but he's got Rocky River and Chagrin Falls projects he's doing first. There's a bunch of big renovations going on along Buckeye, plus some new housing going in north of St. Lukes. Warner & Swasey renovation Take Weston off the map. Replace it will Reallife. BTW, I did this map of Hingetown for a blog article. It has all projects built, planned or under construction since 2000 (and I would add the Bounce property to it, since it's for sale -- doubt a single-story building like that will stay single-story for long in this neighborhood).... Edited June 30, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 30, 20195 yr Any of you aspiring Cleveland project heat map makers, here’s how @mbeaumont76 did it for Columbus on the Central Ohio projects thread using Google maps. The creator responded down thread w tips. Edited June 30, 20195 yr by Boomerang_Brian Typo When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 30, 20195 yr 17 hours ago, Clevecane said: Can you at least tell us what will be first and why?! 7 hours ago, KJP said: Oh and I forgot to mention Wolstein-Kenect apartment building, mainly because no one seems to know where they are with their project. Just guessing, but I think nuCLEus is the big project to start, then Harbor Bay's Market Square and Snavely phase 3 will be the next big projects. I was hoping Dick Pace would be next, unless he's going to get another extension from the city. Could you elaborate (if possible) on any big projects yet-to-be-announced “in the coming weeks”, such as S-W and City Club? Maybe that’s what Clevecane had in mind? Or maybe I misinterpreted...
June 30, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, Geowizical said: Could you elaborate (if possible) on any big projects yet-to-be-announced “in the coming weeks”, such as S-W and City Club? Maybe that’s what Clevecane had in mind? Or maybe I misinterpreted... No. Nice try, though. ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 1, 20195 yr On 6/30/2019 at 7:58 AM, Mov2Ohio said: We need a definitive "heat map" of everything going on around town. There is so much going on. Somebody get on that!? Made this "heat map" awhile ago and posted to a different thread. Here it is:https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/edit?mid=11EwsFuCTCKtQfXosGqdDtVgUhLWOZpyH&ll=41.49815862771473%2C-81.68830564999996&z=13 I post a pin with a link to the city planning info and any other relevant links to the project (the layers are maxed out, though). The map contains every project that has been mentioned in each of the neighborhood's relevant threads since those threads were started. Haven't updated it in quite a few months and many projects have been announced since then. The settings are set to View but if anyone would like to contribute shoot me a message - you'll need a gmail account - and I'll add you as an editor.
July 1, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, bdaily said: Made this "heat map" awhile ago and posted to a different thread. Here it is:https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/edit?mid=11EwsFuCTCKtQfXosGqdDtVgUhLWOZpyH&ll=41.49815862771473%2C-81.68830564999996&z=13 I post a pin with a link to the city planning info and any other relevant links to the project (the layers are maxed out, though). The map contains every project that has been mentioned in each of the neighborhood's relevant threads since those threads were started. Haven't updated it in quite a few months and many projects have been announced since then. The settings are set to View but if anyone would like to contribute shoot me a message - you'll need a gmail account - and I'll add you as an editor. The difference between the East and West side is sickening.
July 1, 20195 yr True. But go on the City Planning Commission website sometime and take a look at the lack of development-supportive zoning that the CDCs have sought on the west side vs the lack of same on the east side. While I don't want this to become an east side vs west side discussion, I also don't want this to turn into a discussion that sole reason for the lack of activity is that investors are disinterested in the east side. We need the CDCs, the city council persons and the residents to step up their game as well. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 1, 20195 yr On 6/28/2019 at 5:50 PM, KJP said: There's a lot more percolating out there. Look for news in the coming weeks about Sherwin Williams, City Club Apartments, UC3/Circle Square, Geis projects, Hemingway projects, Snavely projects, Kertesz projects, Cleveland Clinic projects, and lots of smaller stuff throughout the neighborhoods. There's just no way to keep track of it all. But I'm trying!! ? Also my hope is Dr. Mihaljevic saw your suggestion to consolidate administrative Clinic employees in a new shiny downtown skyscraper ?
July 1, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, Sapper Daddy said: Also my hope is Dr. Mihaljevic saw your suggestion to consolidate administrative Clinic employees in a new shiny downtown skyscraper ? I'm sure he'll jump right on that idea. And jump on it again. And again. And again. Until it is dead..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 1, 20195 yr On 6/30/2019 at 10:24 AM, Boomerang_Brian said: Any of you aspiring Cleveland project heat map makers, here’s how @mbeaumont76 did it for Columbus on the Central Ohio projects thread using Google maps. The creator responded down thread w tips. I actually have a Cleveland Development Map I started about a month ago. Check it out and give me any suggestions or additions. https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1hYus-E7IgaacmAAAssutcXdut_VGGOeO&usp=sharing
July 1, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, nammoumj said: I actually have a Cleveland Development Map I started about a month ago. Check it out and give me any suggestions or additions. https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1hYus-E7IgaacmAAAssutcXdut_VGGOeO&usp=sharing Great map! I'd like to deploy some esri webmap animations and/or some type of application, maybe next monsoon we get hah.
July 1, 20195 yr 6 minutes ago, nammoumj said: I actually have a Cleveland Development Map I started about a month ago. Check it out and give me any suggestions or additions. https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1hYus-E7IgaacmAAAssutcXdut_VGGOeO&usp=sharing Awesome - looks great! I particularly enjoyed the inclusion of the Rhino exhibit at the zoo. Now you can add Moreno’s start up incubator at Tower City. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
July 2, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, nammoumj said: I actually have a Cleveland Development Map I started about a month ago. Check it out and give me any suggestions or additions. https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1hYus-E7IgaacmAAAssutcXdut_VGGOeO&usp=sharing Dude, that map is awesome!!!!!
July 28, 20195 yr On 6/30/2019 at 10:01 AM, KJP said: Take Weston off the map. Replace it will Reallife. @KJP, any connection to our forthcoming surprise?
July 28, 20195 yr 12 hours ago, Clevecane said: @KJP, any connection to our forthcoming surprise? Yes, and a handful of mid-rise buildings in the works for downtown/Ohio City too. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 5, 20195 yr Spoke to a realtor yesterday who purports to have taken a preliminary interview for the Geis condominium tower project. If true, that would be big. I don't know him well, so cannot vouch for his credibility - just thought I'd share.
August 5, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, YABO713 said: Spoke to a realtor yesterday who purports to have taken a preliminary interview for the Geis condominium tower project. If true, that would be big. I don't know him well, so cannot vouch for his credibility - just thought I'd share. I probably should post this in the Geis condo thread, but I can reassure you, they're getting closer to making an announcement. If a developer starts publicizing renderings and concepts before sharing them with the city's design-review folks, they get upset. So this is more about politics and egos than it is about the viability of a given project. And to put this more in the context of this thread's topic, that goes for all of the other high-rise plans bubbling out there. Obviously, nuCLEus has already been announced. But there are still some political egos that need massaging there too. City Club is also getting closer, but they are probably entertaining JV offers from out of town (based on the fact that other sponsors of already announced projects are being approached too). After that, I count Geis, Realife, and three other towers from two firms -- one out of town and the other local but would build two towers. So that's eight towers. Granted not all will get built. Maybe half will. Maybe more, who knows. Frangos is also trying to get a deal done in a JV but he wants too much money for his property/properties. Maybe Joel Scheer can interest one of these out-of-down prospectors to do a JV. Optimistically, I think that at least the SHW HQ gets built downtown. And I think a new Justice Center will get built sometime in the 2020s. But as I noted in my blog, there will always be more mid-rise projects. Edited August 5, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 5, 20195 yr 5 hours ago, KJP said: I probably should post this in the Geis condo thread, but I can reassure you, they're getting closer to making an announcement. If a developer starts publicizing renderings and concepts before sharing them with the city's design-review folks, they get upset. So this is more about politics and egos than it is about the viability of a given project. And to put this more in the context of this thread's topic, that goes for all of the other high-rise plans bubbling out there. Obviously, nuCLEus has already been announced. But there are still some political egos that need massaging there too. City Club is also getting closer, but they are probably entertaining JV offers from out of town (based on the fact that other sponsors of already announced projects are being approached too). After that, I count Geis, Realife, and three other towers from two firms -- one out of town and the other local but would build two towers. So that's eight towers. Granted not all will get built. Maybe half will. Maybe more, who knows. Frangos is also trying to get a deal done in a JV but he wants too much money for his property/properties. Maybe Joel Scheer can interest one of these out-of-down prospectors to do a JV. Optimistically, I think that at least the SHW HQ gets built downtown. And I think a new Justice Center will get built sometime in the 2020s. But as I noted in my blog, there will always be more mid-rise projects. It is good to hear that there is potentially 3 other towers out there that could be built. In your book is a tower over 20 stories? Or 30 Stories?
August 5, 20195 yr To me, a tower downtown is 20+ but I'd probably call a 15+ story building a tower anywhere outside of downtown. EDIT: Then again, if Trump's trade war with China continues, there's going to be a recession before 2020 is done. That would likely kill many of the projects I mentioned. Edited August 5, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 25, 20205 yr It is time to relive this thread. Work has started on FEB Phase 3A and on the E.12 Avenue District Condo, So what is next - Harbor Bay ( possibly march ) and what is after that ? City club Apts or What?
January 25, 20205 yr Harbor Bay's Market Square is next. Assuming no hiccups, it is due to start in March. City Club is likely next, due by the end of summer. There's a couple of mid-rise projects percolating downtown but I don't have start dates on them yet. Plus, I think that we'll see SHW start in early 2021 but several as-yet unannounced high-rises could start right around the same time. And one of them -- if it happens -- is coming as a direct result of SHW's growth and consolidation here. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 25, 20205 yr @Paul in Cleveland Were due for some updated pics from Avenue District townhome development. Has the next phase started? Edited January 25, 20205 yr by marty15
January 26, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: Harbor Bay's Market Square is next. Assuming no hiccups, it is due to start in March. City Club is likely next, due by the end of summer. There's a couple of mid-rise projects percolating downtown but I don't have start dates on them yet. Plus, I think that we'll see SHW start in early 2021 but several as-yet unannounced high-rises could start right around the same time. And one of them -- if it happens -- is coming as a direct result of SHW's growth and consolidation here. Hotel?
January 26, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, simplythis said: Hotel? No. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 26, 20205 yr 22 hours ago, marty15 said: @Paul in Cleveland Were due for some updated pics from Avenue District townhome development. Has the next phase started? Haha, I took one several days ago but can't find it. I will try to remember tomorrow. Phase 2 doesn't look to have started yet, but this phase is slowly wrapping up.
May 28, 20205 yr It is time to re-visit this thread. It has been a GREAT month amongst this covid-19 world with announcements regarding Warner & Swasy, 1250 Riverbed, 2208 Superior Viaduct, hopefully a nautica sale & Masonic Temple Dream hotel. So before the year is done where will projects start? Nucleus? SHW? FEB? 925 ? City Club? WHat do you guys think will happen before the year is out?
May 28, 20205 yr Author 14 minutes ago, simplythis said: It is time to re-visit this thread. It has been a GREAT month amongst this covid-19 world with announcements regarding Warner & Swasy, 1250 Riverbed, 2208 Superior Viaduct, hopefully a nautica sale & Masonic Temple Dream hotel. So before the year is done where will projects start? Nucleus? SHW? FEB? 925 ? City Club? WHat do you guys think will happen before the year is out? Given what @KJP has recently written it should be Nucleus but does anybody on this board REALLY want to make that bet.? I would have thought Library Loft would finally break ground this summer, but it still drags on. I don't believe it has even been through final design review. I believe @KJP has said City Club will not go forward until next year. SHW is of course still has a long way to go (have they even announced the architect yet?). It has been said that FEB phase 3b has all its financing but that is another one that seems to drag on and on for not apparent reason.
May 28, 20205 yr Author I am just glad Market Square and Top of the Hill have recently broken ground. They should be fun to watch and are pretty major projects.
May 28, 20205 yr Don't forget Public Square North (unless that officially started), The Shoreline Phase 2, and maybe stuff happening to Erieview Tower, the Rockefeller building, the AT&T tower, the Fidelity Mortgage building (next to the Beacon) and also maybe some Thunderbird news?
May 28, 20205 yr Public Square North -are you referring to 75 Public Square conversion or something else?
May 28, 20205 yr I wouldn't make the bet on nuCLEus either. In fact, I wouldn't bet on anything. Money and emotion are too valuable to invest in things you don't control. So what I was hearing a couple of months ago made it sound like they were waiting for the first opportunity to put the revised nuCLEus plan on CPC's agenda. That would make sense as Benesch is on a time schedule. But I haven't heard anything since. So apparently they're not as ready as I thought. Even so, I'm putting them near the top because they'd better be starting soon or I'm afraid that project is in jeopardy. So here's my take on potential new-construction groundbreakings (not including renovations).... Flats Phase 3B -- Summer 2020 Circle Square/Library Lofts/10600 Chester -- Late Summer/Fall 2020 nuCLEus -- Fall 2020 City Club Apartments -- Winter 2021 East 9th/Bolivar -- Winter 2021 (pending # of factors) NRP/Thunderbird -- Winter 2021 Sumner Court -- Winter 2021 Dream Hotel - Winter-Spring 2021 Sherwin Williams HQ -- Winter-Spring 2021 Bridgeworks - Spring 2021 One Lakewood Place -- Spring/Summer 2021 Unidentified downtown tower -- Summer 2021 East Suburban Tower -- Summer 2021 2208 Superior Viaduct -- Summer 2021 Unidentified University Circle Tower -- Summer/Fall 2021 1250 Riverbed -- Fall-Winter 2021-2022 Carnegie/Ohio City RTA -- Winter 2022?? Nautica -- Winter 2022?? Justice Center Courthouse Tower -- 2022?? Lakefront West developments -- 2022-24 Lakefront East developments -- 2022-25 Stadium/Lakefront development -- 2026-29 Probably missing a few.... BTW -- a reminder that anywhere from one-third to one-half of these probably aren't going to happen (especially since I threw some in there that are very early on in their planning). If more than one-half or even more than two-thirds of them happen, then we really know Cleveland has turned a corner. Edited May 29, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 28, 20205 yr ^I believe the new Neurological Institute (400,000 sf) and the Cole Eye Institute expansion (150,000 sf) are set to break ground in 2021 on the Clinic’s main campus.
May 28, 20205 yr How about Bedrock site? Does it look like Justice Center Courthouse Tower will be going there?
May 28, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, sky said: Hey KLP! Awesome post! What is "Sumner Court"? Next to Erie Street Cemetery. It was on the design-review database before the shutdown but it didn't get on the docket yet. Hope to be able share details when I get the green light. 14 minutes ago, Sapper Daddy said: ^I believe the new Neurological Institute (400,000 sf) and the Cole Eye Institute expansion (150,000 sf) are set to break ground in 2021 on the Clinic’s main campus. Thanks for the reminder. I'm told CCF also has something else big planned, but isn't a medical building. I wrote about briefly earlier this year. It's probably on hold until things settle down. 12 minutes ago, skiwest said: How about Bedrock site? Does it look like Justice Center Courthouse Tower will be going there? Way too soon to know. (EDIT: I do think it's a very likely candidate) Edited May 28, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 28, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Sapper Daddy said: ^I believe the new Neurological Institute (400,000 sf) and the Cole Eye Institute expansion (150,000 sf) are set to break ground in 2021 on the Clinic’s main campus. In a communication from May 15 from CEO Tom Mihaljevic in regards to Covid 19 spending: "we have delayed some capital and growth projects that require significant funding. This includes the hospital in Mentor, and the Neurological Institute building on main campus, just to name a few." The focus now is undoing the "remodeling" the Clinic did to the Health Education Campus turning it into a multi-hundred bed surge hospital. We were told we need to allow the building to host students in the fall. We are moving everything to the unfinished 3rd floor of the building so it can be returned to a surge hospital if we see more Covid cases. I don't want to spread a rumor I cannot verify, but, With so many caregivers working from home, I heard they are not going to be able to return to office spaces on the upper floors of the T building (original hospital building at E93rd and Euclid) as the building will be demolished (don't know when or if true). I don't know how credible that is or a timeline, but I know some who lost their offices and their department director relayed that vague info to me. They are currently remodeling the second floor of the S building (between T and M) and since M building houses almost all of the pediatric inpatient departments including OR and NICU / PICU, those would need a new home before the M building could come down. I don't see much possibility in demolishing the T building unless at least the TT and S buildings come down with it... but that's not my department and I don't know anything but the vague rumors I have heard. On a side note... there are "remodeling" signs posted on the doors of the Cleveland Playhouse in March and I can see scaffolding through the windows, but I haven't seen people or movement in the building in over a month, so maybe paused due to Covid.
May 28, 20205 yr This is one of my favorite threads - always exciting to think about what will and could happen in the near and farther future. I know it’s getting close to opening time for The Lumen and we still have to wait and see how quickly and fully it leases. I’m wondering what you Forum insiders think of the chance, realistically, of Lumen Act ll joining the list of future developments and on what kind of timetable.
May 29, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, KJP said: East Suburban Tower -- Summer 2021 I'm assuming naming the suburb would give away the project?
May 29, 20205 yr 52 minutes ago, kevincle said: I'm assuming naming the suburb would give away the project? Please be inner ring ? But maybe not Cleveland Heights again. As great as that would be, I don't wanna listen to endless complaining like with Top of the Hill.
May 29, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, tykaps said: Please be inner ring ? ... I don't wanna listen to endless complaining like with Top of the Hill. Is there actually an east side suburb that could satisfy BOTH of these criteria though? ?
May 29, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, kevincle said: I'm assuming naming the suburb would give away the project? Naming the suburb would give away the location. I still don't believe the developer would actually do something this out of scale, but the developer certainly has the resources/abilities to do it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 29, 20205 yr Is it phase 2 of a recent development? i'm just trying to start little fires everywhere....
May 29, 20205 yr There is a huge empty lot fronting Lakeshore in Euclid that remains undeveloped in between some of the high rises that were built in the 70s. Hoping that gets developed someday with another high rise. That’s probably the only location outside of Cleveland I’m rooting for at this point. If every project in @KJP’s list is built in downtown and Ohio City, I could only imagine what the core of the region would look like.
May 29, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, RE Developer In Training said: Is it phase 2 of a recent development? i'm just trying to start little fires everywhere.... I see what you did there.
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