May 1, 20187 yr Couple things to add to your list, Mendo: * Cleveland Police HQ -- Cleveland issuing bonds to finance this move. TBD if this will be new construction or existing office space. Decision expected in the next couple months. This is going into the Plain Dealer/Advance Media (whatever its called) on Superior. * Cumberland Lakefront Phase 2(?) -- No visible/public movement. I'm hearing about movement on a multi-use, multi- stories building. Not sure exactly what piece this is in lakefront plan. Maybe something north of science center. Hopefully we get a public announcement soon! So is the Plain Dealer completely vacating its downtown presense?
May 2, 20187 yr Plain Dealer editorial and advertising sales offices are at Tower City Center. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 2, 20187 yr Advertising sales and the cleveland.com staffers were at 1801 Superior. Only The Plain Dealer staffers (plus editors) that were members of the Newspaper Guild were at Tower City. Obviously, things will be changing.
May 2, 20187 yr the Med Mutual project is not dead, its still alive. They are active in the market and if the PD selects another option besides 1801 Superior to relocate (new construction or rehab existing station on Payne) it will be an incredibly bad move.
May 2, 20187 yr the Med Mutual project is not dead, its still alive. They are active in the market and if the PD selects another option besides 1801 Superior to relocate (new construction or rehab existing station on Payne) it will be an incredibly bad move. Active? In what way? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 2, 20187 yr and if the PD selects another option besides 1801 Superior to relocate (new construction or rehab existing station on Payne) it will be an incredibly bad move. By PD I take it you mean Police Department, and not Plain Dealer?
May 2, 20187 yr and if the PD selects another option besides 1801 Superior to relocate (new construction or rehab existing station on Payne) it will be an incredibly bad move. By PD I take it you mean Police Department, and not Plain Dealer? That is quite confusing. But I agree that the Plain Dealer Building makes a lot of sense for CPD headquarters.
May 2, 20187 yr and if the PD selects another option besides 1801 Superior to relocate (new construction or rehab existing station on Payne) it will be an incredibly bad move. By PD I take it you mean Police Department, and not Plain Dealer? That is quite confusing. But I agree that the Plain Dealer Building makes a lot of sense for CPD headquarters. Yes I meant Police Dept. That 1801 is a good location (downtown but not in central city), good highway access, plenty of square footage but not in a highrise which would be inefficient for them, and most of all plenty of surface parking for vehicles, trailers, equipment etc.
May 2, 20187 yr and if the PD selects another option besides 1801 Superior to relocate (new construction or rehab existing station on Payne) it will be an incredibly bad move. By PD I take it you mean Police Department, and not Plain Dealer? That is quite confusing. But I agree that the Plain Dealer Building makes a lot of sense for CPD headquarters. Yes I meant Police Dept. That 1801 is a good location (downtown but not in central city), good highway access, plenty of square footage but not in a highrise which would be inefficient for them, and most of all plenty of surface parking for vehicles, trailers, equipment etc. Doesn't the former 3rd District on Payne make sense for the same reasons? Plus, it had previously been used for law enforcement purposes. Perhaps, rehab costs are excessive.
May 2, 20187 yr and if the PD selects another option besides 1801 Superior to relocate (new construction or rehab existing station on Payne) it will be an incredibly bad move. By PD I take it you mean Police Department, and not Plain Dealer? That is quite confusing. But I agree that the Plain Dealer Building makes a lot of sense for CPD headquarters. Yes I meant Police Dept. That 1801 is a good location (downtown but not in central city), good highway access, plenty of square footage but not in a highrise which would be inefficient for them, and most of all plenty of surface parking for vehicles, trailers, equipment etc. Doesn't the former 3rd District on Payne make sense for the same reasons? Plus, it had previously been used for law enforcement purposes. Perhaps, rehab costs are excessive. Yes the city wants to do a historic rehab/expansion of that Payne facility. It's farther outside of downtown, farther away from courts & jail operations, less highway access and is very dated/inefficient. I'd like to see it saved/repurposed, but it's outlived it's useful life as a downtown PD HQ. They need modern office space as much as anything - desks, workspace, file storage, conference rooms, training, etc.
May 2, 20187 yr and if the PD selects another option besides 1801 Superior to relocate (new construction or rehab existing station on Payne) it will be an incredibly bad move. By PD I take it you mean Police Department, and not Plain Dealer? That is quite confusing. But I agree that the Plain Dealer Building makes a lot of sense for CPD headquarters. Yes I meant Police Dept. That 1801 is a good location (downtown but not in central city), good highway access, plenty of square footage but not in a highrise which would be inefficient for them, and most of all plenty of surface parking for vehicles, trailers, equipment etc. Doesn't the former 3rd District on Payne make sense for the same reasons? Plus, it had previously been used for law enforcement purposes. Perhaps, rehab costs are excessive. Yes the city wants to do a historic rehab/expansion of that Payne facility. It's farther outside of downtown, farther away from courts & jail operations, less highway access and is very dated/inefficient. I'd like to see it saved/repurposed, but it's outlived it's useful life as a downtown PD HQ. They need modern office space as much as anything - desks, workspace, file storage, conference rooms, training, etc. Thanks for the explanation. In your opinion then, is the Payne Avenue building probably unsuited for office uses and will likely need a different type of use in order to be re-used?
May 2, 20187 yr the Med Mutual project is not dead, its still alive. They are active in the market and if the PD selects another option besides 1801 Superior to relocate (new construction or rehab existing station on Payne) it will be an incredibly bad move. Any chance you could expand on that? I thought they were done when they bought the building where their offices are located.
May 2, 20187 yr Are there still plans for the police to relocate to the Weston superblock? I may be wrong, but I don't remember there being any official plan for that.
May 2, 20187 yr Are there still plans for the police to relocate to the Weston superblock? I may be wrong, but I don't remember there being any official plan for that. Correct. That was my speculation based on actions I detailed in my blog. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20187 yr Are there still plans for the police to relocate to the Weston superblock? I may be wrong, but I don't remember there being any official plan for that. Correct. That was my speculation based on actions I detailed in my blog. It's officially down to three sites - 1801 Superior, light renovation of existing fairly modern office - 3rd District Station on Payne, historic rehab & new addition - New construction at St. Clair & E.12 City is now paying a premium rent to the county as the Police HQ are in "hold-over" period to the County to remain in the Justice Center. I'm told the Mayor wants this deal done badly as it's costing alot of money each month... can't see them taking the new construction option (2.5 years out at least, don't even own the land) or 2 years for the historic rehab/expansion of Payne....
May 3, 20187 yr But inquiring minds want to know more about your earlier statement regarding the Medical Mutual project being "not dead" gottaplan[/member]. Care to share with the rest of the class? :) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20187 yr It's been almost a year since this thread was updated. Some noteworthy news since summer 2017: Started Projects: * Beacon (515 Euclid) -- Broke ground Sep 2017. * Lumen/PHS Tower (Euclid Ave) -- Broke ground Apr 2018 * Church and State (Detroit Ave) -- Likely to start very soon. * Halle Building (Euclid Ave) -- Partial conversion to apartments started June 2017 * Cleveland Athletic Club (Euclid Ave) -- Conversion to apartments started Jan 2018 * Terminal Tower and May Company buildings are in interior demolition mode. Possibly add John Hartness Brown building to this list as well. Announced but not Started: * nuCLEus (Prospect Ave) -- Still trying to get CMSD money and large tax breaks from State? * Cleveland Police HQ -- Cleveland issuing bonds to finance this move. TBD if this will be new construction or existing office space. Decision expected in the next couple months. * University Circle City Center (Chester and Stokes) -- Still in the process of relocating the Cleveland Public Library to complete site acquisition. Likely 2+ years from major start. * Flats East Bank Phase 3 (Front/West 10th) -- Wolstein confirmed there would be a phase 3, but without additional detail. Silent since Sep 2017. * Union Trust Building (925 Euclid) -- Current deadbeat owner trying to find partner to move this project forward. Possible updates early summer. * 75 Public Square -- Received state historic tax credit for apartment renovation, no indication of project start other than "later this year" (2018). * Scranton Peninsula -- Forest City unloaded it's stake to an investor group, which then sold 8 acres to Great Lakes Brewing. Larger plans still coming together * Weston/Citymark (West 3rd and St. Clair) -- No visible/public movement. * One West 20 (Lorain Ave) -- No visible/public movement. * Cumberland Lakefront Phase 2(?) -- No visible/public movement. * Flats West Bank/Jacobs Group -- No visible/public movement. * Justice Center Complex -- No visible/public movement. Dead/On Hold/Canceled * Medical Mutual - Staying put at current headquarters * Sherwin-Williams - Plans on-hold, possibly permanently. * Visconsi Little Italy apartments (Coltman and E. 123rd) - Proposal dropped due to litigation. The Halle Building (Euclid Ave) -- started their inside demo work back in 2016 and is now doing a partial conversion to apartments that started in June 2017. The Cleveland Athletic Club (Euclid Ave) -- started their inside demo work back in 2015 and now they are doing the final conversion to apartments that started in Jan 2018. Union Trust Building (925 Euclid) -- Current deadbeat owner trying to find partner to move this project forward. Possible updates early summer..... Real estate developer Frank Sinito is close to snagging another big downtown deal, taking on the stalled $270 million renovation of the Union Trust Co. building at 925 Euclid Ave. If Sinito, CEO and owner of Cleveland-based Millennia Cos., closes on buying the building or taking a majority stake in the project with current owner Hudson Holdings of Delray Beach, Fla., it would be his fourth blockbuster deal downtown in two years. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180415/news/158241/sinito-continues-hunt-925-euclid-deal Cleveland Police HQ -- The city is still considering a handful of sites, including the home of cleveland.com at 1801 Superior Ave. Up to $55 million of the $64 million could be used to construct a new building. The price could be cheaper if the city can refit an existing building. A decision is expected within a month. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/04/cleveland_city_council_to_cons.html Cumberland Lakefront Phase 2 & 3 ...... www.gcpartnership.com/fileuploader/webfiles/Cleveland%20Harbor%20View%20Lakefront%20Development%20Presentation-GCP%2017.5.15.pdf
May 3, 20187 yr Any movement on the Ohio Bell (AT&T) building conversion to apartments? There was a story back in 2017 about a Texas developer buying the building. http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/06/texas_developer_could_buy_down.html https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
May 3, 20187 yr Author ^I hate to judge a company about which I know absolutely nothing, but the term "out of town developer" as it relates to Cleveland building rehabs leaves a bad taste in my mouth (see for example 925 Euclid). I am sure there have to be a few examples otherwise, but it seems all of the many successful major building rehabs to residential have been undertaken by local companies.
May 3, 20187 yr Cumberland Lakefront Phase 2 & 3 ...... www.gcpartnership.com/fileuploader/webfiles/Cleveland%20Harbor%20View%20Lakefront%20Development%20Presentation-GCP%2017.5.15.pdf After looking at that pdf, I think what I was alluding to upThread is actually for site C of phase I. I thought only a 1-2 story connector was destined for in-between the Rock Hall and Science Center, which threw me off because what I have heard rumblings about was for 10ish and more than just hotel.
May 3, 20187 yr ^I hate to judge a company about which I know absolutely nothing, but the term "out of town developer" as it relates to Cleveland building rehabs leaves a bad taste in my mouth (see for example 925 Euclid). I am sure there have to be a few examples otherwise, but it seems all of the many successful major building rehabs to residential have been undertaken by local companies. No defense of the current owner of 925 Euclid, but that is a crazy-complicated project of mixed uses, myriad of funding, historic preservation, etc etc. Even the most experienced team is going to have their work cut out for them to make that deal work...
May 3, 20187 yr No defense of the current owner of 925 Euclid ... Many lawyers are already working on defense. Hudson Holdings which is being sued in Louisville (breach of contract on a rehab of the Stark Bldg.) and Lake Worth (racketeering related to a hotel) also owns properties, with which it is doing nothing, in Cincinnati and St. Louis. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 3, 20187 yr ^I hate to judge a company about which I know absolutely nothing, but the term "out of town developer" as it relates to Cleveland building rehabs leaves a bad taste in my mouth (see for example 925 Euclid). Shame on you. Local developers aren't capable of bringing the vibe and spirit of South Beach to this city!
May 3, 20187 yr Existing and upcoming construction cranes: Q Arena The Beacon Centric The Quarter Two cranes at the Inova hotel site Lumis Playhouse Square Tower UC3 Church & State Towers FEB PHASE 3 Residential Tower Geis Lakefront Towers West 11 & Fairfield Tower Scranton Peninsula - Great Lakes Brewing. Weston/Citymark (West 3rd and St. Clair) One West 20 (Lorain Ave) . Cumberland Lakefront Phase 2 & 3 Flats West Bank/Jacobs Group . New Justice Center Complex Franklin Blvd Residential Tower the Med Mutual project is not dead, its still alive. They are active in the market PER Gottaplan
May 3, 20187 yr Are they actually using a crane on the lakefront apartments? I certainly wouldn't call that a "tower." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20187 yr Is the Lakefront outlet mall project dead? First announced in July 2016 and nothing since.
May 4, 20187 yr Is the Lakefront outlet mall project dead? First announced in July 2016 and nothing since. It still shows up on Horizon Group Properties' web site: http://www.horizongroup.com/leasing/default.aspx I recall the plan is different now, however. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 4, 20187 yr Is the Lakefront outlet mall project dead? First announced in July 2016 and nothing since. It still shows up on Horizon Group Properties' web site: http://www.horizongroup.com/leasing/default.aspx I recall the plan is different now, however. In what way?
May 6, 20187 yr Putting the retail outlet mall south of the Shoreway... http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/05/see_whats_popping_up_on_clevel.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 6, 20187 yr Putting the retail outlet mall south of the Shoreway... http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/05/see_whats_popping_up_on_clevel.html This article is from May 2017. I'm betting things have changed in the last year.
May 6, 20187 yr Not necessarily. Plans take a long time to materialize -- especially when the city is involved. All of the land south of the Shoreway to the tracks is owned by the city. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 14, 20186 yr Has there been any recent news regarding the Ohio Bell building? Also, has there been any new action on 75 Public Square now that work has started on the May Co. building and the Terminal Tower, and the new plans for 55 Public Square? Since it won state historic tax credits, the clock has kinda begun ticking on the apartment conversion and i'm eager to see the top of 75 PS light up ;D Lastly, are the projects at the 925 and john hartness brown buildings still in motion but just waiting on funding, or have some evil demons stepped in to slow these projects down?
December 24, 20186 yr It is time to re-visit this thread. Now that the May Co Building, JHB Building, Lumen, Church & State are all under construction what is the very next project to start construction? FEB Phase 3, Nuclues, Ohio Bell Building, 925 Building, Cumberland/Pace Lakefront. What is next?
December 24, 20186 yr Author Ha ha. I note that in October of 2014 when I started this thread I predicted that the first to start would be "Brickman's Duck Island project". I also see that the first reply post agreed with me. Boy were we off base. At this point we don't even know who the future project developer is (since Brickman is now out) and what the proposed concept is. In other words we went from what I thought was a nearly shovel ready development to something that might not even happen more than four years later. Oh well. Any way, as of today...Top of the Hill or Phase 3 of the Flats (both in late 2019) are my guesses. But as history has shown, what the hell do I know?
December 24, 20186 yr The new restaurants on the FEB boardwalk are likely to start this winter. Besides that, none of the other major projects seem imminent. Maybe the office component of Nucleus or they risk losing Benesch. A couple new projects that have seen movement this year, but still a ways from breaking ground: * Union Trust Building (925 Euclid, downtown) -- Building sold to Millennia Companies over the summer, but no updates since then. * One Lakewood Place (14519 Detroit Ave, Lakewood) -- Lakewood hospital is being demolished right now, actual construction probably won't start until late next year. Developer Carnegie in pre-construction with the city. * Top of the Hill (Cedar Rd and Euclid Heights Blvd, Cleveland Heights) -- Developer Flaherty and Collins in pre-construction with the city. Construction probably won't start until late next year. * Market Square Plaza (West 25th and Lorain, Ohio City) -- Harbor Bay bought the Market Square Plaza shopping strip with intent to demolish it and build a large apartment and office buildings. * Edison Phase 2 (Breakwater Avenue and West 65th, Detroit Shoreway) -- 323 unit apartment building as phase 2 of NRP group's The Edison development Plus some smaller projects: * Circle North (East 105th and Ashbury Avenue, Glenville) -- 63 unit apartment building by Finch development under construction, should be complete next summer. * Wagner Awning Phase 2 (1633 Auburn Ave, Tremont) -- 69 unit apartment building on Scranton across from the Wagner Awning building * Meadowbrook and Lee Roads (Cleveland Heights) -- Snavely developer group picked by Cleveland Heights in July for 4 story apartment project, maybe 80-ish units. * Uptown Phase 3 (11601 Euclid Avenue, University Circle) -- 49 unit student housing by Bluewater Capital Partners across from Uptown Phase 2 Edited December 24, 20186 yr by Mendo
December 24, 20186 yr I think this was a telling tweet from the city's Building Department Commissioner and Chief Building Official Thomas Vanover, who is in charge of construction permitting. He said "renovations are moving forward." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 25, 20186 yr 19 hours ago, KJP said: I think this was a telling tweet from the city's Building Department Commissioner and Chief Building Official Thomas Vanover, who is in charge of construction permitting. He said "renovations are moving forward." Great location for a movie bank robber scene!
January 9, 20196 yr It’s gonna a lot of fun watching this building rise -on the heels of the Beacon and the Hilton before that. We’ve kind of gotten used to having a big crane in the downtown skyline lately - and I’m sure we’d like this trend to continue. But what will be the next new downtown tower? Any predictions?
January 9, 20196 yr 8 hours ago, CleveFan said: It’s gonna a lot of fun watching this building rise -on the heels of the Beacon and the Hilton before that. We’ve kind of gotten used to having a big crane in the downtown skyline lately - and I’m sure we’d like this trend to continue. But what will be the next new downtown tower? Any predictions? My guess would be the office component of nuCLEus, followed by the City Club Apartments, followed by a new Justice Center. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 9, 20196 yr 32 minutes ago, KJP said: My guess would be the office component of nuCLEus, followed by the City Club Apartments, followed by a new Justice Center. Is that the project on the parking lot on Euclid we heard of maybe a month or so ago?
January 9, 20196 yr I'm most interested in the Market Square plaza development with Harbor Bay. That site has been studied for redevelopment by local planning grad students for about 15 years now... Would totally transform that corner and might be great to see the momentum continue down 25th to the south
January 9, 20196 yr 54 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said: Is that the project on the parking lot on Euclid we heard of maybe a month or so ago? Yes. It sounds like the developer had a large chuck of financing he planned to use for a project in St. Louis but thought Cleveland's economic data offered more promise. So he pulled the money to use in Cleveland and elsewhere. Is it enough money to make the Cleveland project a go? 43 minutes ago, gottaplan said: I'm most interested in the Market Square plaza development with Harbor Bay. That site has been studied for redevelopment by local planning grad students for about 15 years now... Would totally transform that corner and might be great to see the momentum continue down 25th to the south True, but I was thinking downtown. BTW, thanks for moving my post (above) here. I tried looking for this thread but couldn't find it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 9, 20196 yr 13 hours ago, CleveFan said: It’s gonna a lot of fun watching this building rise -on the heels of the Beacon and the Hilton before that. We’ve kind of gotten used to having a big crane in the downtown skyline lately - and I’m sure we’d like this trend to continue. But what will be the next new downtown tower? Any predictions? I think it will be 1) FEB Phase 3 ( Partial ) Retail portion 2) 925 Building Renovation 3) Nucleus Office Tower Only Does anyone see anything on the horizon regarding Sherwin Williams Tower?
January 9, 20196 yr But FEB retail or 925 Euclid won't require big cranes and aren't new towers. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 9, 20196 yr Wrong thread Edited February 9, 20196 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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