July 12, 20213 yr Author If TMUD applications are going to exceed money available I hope the genius at the state level reviewing the application and making awards are bright enough to ascertain which projects are "shovel ready" and give them extra credit as part of the process. Don't want to see projects getting awards where the TMUD is step one in the capital stack and that whole process then drags on for three years.
July 12, 20213 yr 28 minutes ago, skiwest said: When will TMUDs be awarded? First they have to solicit applications. Then they'll review them. So we're probably looking at the end of the year for news on the first awards. But the first year will inevitably go more slowly than future years. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 1, 20213 yr Is it even remotely possible that SHW breaks ground before City Club Apartments? I know that City Club is once again in front of the CPC next week. But when will they break ground? If you would have polled all of forumers last spring I would bet that City Club would get unanimous vote as the next project to break ground.
December 1, 20213 yr It is nice that SHW and hopefully City Club Apartments will be getting started soon. But nuCLEus is apparently dead, Magellan is on hold, Cliffs is still thinking and there has been no news on Rocket Mortgage expansion. So what might realistically be next as far as new development downtown?
December 1, 20213 yr It is nice that SHW and hopefully City Club Apartments will be getting started soon. But nuCLEus is apparently dead, Magellan is on hold, Cliffs is still thinking and there has been no news on Rocket Mortgage expansion. So what might realistically be next as far as new development downtown?Well… we have that really cool bridge in North Coast Harbor to be excited about [emoji3061]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
December 1, 20213 yr So $400+ million in downtown development is getting underway, but what have you done for me lately, dear downtown Cleveland? 🙃 OK, I'll play... 55 Public Square ($80 million) is also getting underway. Renaissance Hotel re-do ($80 million) is getting underway. Rockefeller in January ($120 million). Flats East Bank phase 3B ($84 million) is planned for 2Q 2022. Somera Road (probably $30 million-$40 million) in design-review. Centennial is a half-billion-dollar project that's ready to go, awaiting a TMUD award, probably in January. Still a few others out there. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 1, 20213 yr Yeah, I know there is a lot of other stuff happening, but I meant new construction.
December 1, 20213 yr What about the Bridgework Development? I love that project and it’ll look awesome coming across the bridge or from the shore way.
December 1, 20213 yr 5 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Yeah, I know there is a lot of other stuff happening, but I meant new construction. The project on Bolivar. Outside of downtown an absurd amount of projects seem to begin every quarter. I just drove around the west side with extended family and it felt like there was a new building going up every 500 feet in some areas. There are alot of projects going on around UC that we don't even really give lip service on here.
December 1, 20213 yr Author 17 minutes ago, osu4brutus03 said: What about the Bridgework Development? I love that project and it’ll look awesome coming across the bridge or from the shore way. needs TMUD
December 1, 20213 yr 28 minutes ago, KJP said: So $400+ million in downtown development is getting underway, but what have you done for me lately, dear downtown Cleveland? 🙃 Damn right. I want to know when Sherwin-Williams phase 2 is going to start.🤔 City Club seems most likely to start next. Though the way that project appears from outside, I wouldn't be surprised if it either broke ground tomorrow or was canceled entirely.
December 1, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: needs TMUD does it NEED TMUD, or are they just hoping to get TMUD?
December 1, 20213 yr Author Just now, Ineffable_Matt said: does it NEED TMUD, or are they just hoping to get TMUD? I believe @KJP has suggested they need it which may bode in their favor as I understand projects that need the credit to close a funding gap have an advantage over others as long as they meet other important criteria.
December 1, 20213 yr A lot of these places can't afford to build parking garages without some public assistance. So we're subsidizing the car even the TMUD rules favor projects on regular transit routes. Bridgeworks needs a parking garage. They've tried to find a cheap way to provide parking, including looking at using the subway deck of the Detroit-Superior bridge. But no other option worked. So yes, they need a TMUD. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 1, 20213 yr There's a simple solution to this problem^ Maybe the Bibb administration will have the willpower to do it
December 1, 20213 yr 3 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: It is nice that SHW and hopefully City Club Apartments will be getting started soon. But nuCLEus is apparently dead, Magellan is on hold, Cliffs is still thinking and there has been no news on Rocket Mortgage expansion. So what might realistically be next as far as new development downtown? Sherwin-Williams HQ construction starts (PHOTOS) By Ken Prendergast / November 29, 2021 "Also underway is the $80 million renovation of the Renaissance Hotel into a luxury Cleveland Hotel, located across Superior from the new SHW HQ. Future projects could include the demolition of the Rockefeller garage for a major development and the proposed, but on-hold Magellan development." I'm still hoping KJP has a surprise lurking out there for us. An early Christmas present that has yet to be announced. The $400M in developments that are already underway are amazing - but I'm asking Santa for another new development this year. Courthouse tower??? Browns Lakefront Vision? Bedrock: Vision for the Valley Let's dream big Cleveland
December 1, 20213 yr Don't expect to hear about a new-construction tower next to the Rock before Christmas. It's still in the works and not for certain. Still too many moving parts. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 1, 20213 yr Author 10 minutes ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said: Sherwin-Williams HQ construction starts (PHOTOS) By Ken Prendergast / November 29, 2021 "Also underway is the $80 million renovation of the Renaissance Hotel into a luxury Cleveland Hotel, located across Superior from the new SHW HQ. Future projects could include the demolition of the Rockefeller garage for a major development and the proposed, but on-hold Magellan development." I'm still hoping KJP has a surprise lurking out there for us. An early Christmas present that has yet to be announced. The $400M in developments that are already underway are amazing - but I'm asking Santa for another new development this year. Courthouse tower??? Browns Lakefront Vision? Bedrock: Vision for the Valley Let's dream big Cleveland I hate to tell you but if anybody is dreaming any "such" big announcements in the next 24 days it will have to be just you. "Browns Lakefront" is just beginning (actually I don't know if it has even started) 18-24 months of regulatory reviews (engineering and environmental) before a vision can even be truly conceptualized and Bedrock is a 25 year project.
December 1, 20213 yr 33 minutes ago, KJP said: Don't expect to hear about a new-construction tower next to the Rock before Christmas. It's still in the works and not for certain. Still too many moving parts. To quote my good friend Ted Lasso "Believe". Just kidding. I'll hold out hopes for the courthouse tower then.
December 1, 20213 yr 10 minutes ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said: To quote my good friend Ted Lasso "Believe". Just kidding. I'll hold out hopes for the courthouse tower then. I'm hoping for that, too. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 24, 20231 yr Now that the Apartments at Bolivar have started the question is what is Next? Rehab - I would the say the Rockefeller Rehab is next because they are close to wrapping up their financing. If we are talking about New Construction - I hope it will be Bridgeworks,
July 24, 20231 yr I was hoping for Bridgeworks, but based on @KJP’s TMUD article the other day, that doesn’t feel like a sure thing any more. Counting rehabs, and based on @zbaris87 ‘s comments, I’m feeling like either Rockefeller or Centennial would be next.
July 24, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSummit said: I was hoping for Bridgeworks, but based on @KJP’s TMUD article the other day, that doesn’t feel like a sure thing any more. Counting rehabs, and based on @zbaris87 ‘s comments, I’m feeling like either Rockefeller or Centennial would be next. As an aside, I see I’m no longer considered a “Dirt Lot”, but I must admit I have no idea where Metropolitan Tower is
July 24, 20231 yr In terms of new construction, its most likely going to be Bedrock, followed by CSU, Haslam Lakefront high rises on East 9th, Ballpark village announcement, Greyhound site and Superior and 15th... In terms of Historical Rehab, it's Rockefeller, 700 Prospect, Galleria/W Hotel and then Centennial. I don't think Centennial is close to starting construction as people think, but i could be wrong
July 24, 20231 yr ^ Superior & 15th? Not sure that one’s been mentioned before. Presumably the surface lot next to Brinks and the old bowling alley? My hovercraft is full of eels
July 24, 20231 yr Author 9 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: ^ Superior & 15th? Not sure that one’s been mentioned before. Presumably the surface lot next to Brinks and the old bowling alley? Yeah...what exactly is this.
July 24, 20231 yr Author 31 minutes ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said: Still hoping a Courthouse Tower announcement is next After watching a couple of Cuyahoga council meetings the past few months where they argued with the administration over the jail and county participation in the Lakefront Commission, if seems to me that any consensus on the very expensive courthouse is not going to happen anytime soon and not without another protracted fight.
July 24, 20231 yr Author This is the one and only thread I have started in my nearly 18 years on the forum. Reading my original post starting the thread, it has become clear to me how hard it is to predict these things. For example, my guess at that time (2014) was that the Brinkman Duck Island project was going to be the next development to break ground. Not only was that not the case, but what we have at that site now-Waterford Bluffs-is not even a Brinkman project. Moreover, a couple of my possible suggestions, which at the time seemed likely to happen soon, are now completely dead (Nucleus and a second Flats East Bank office building). Playhouse Square apartment (Lumen) and One University Circle did eventually happen but we are still waiting on the Lakefront which I thought in 2014 was just about to happen-silly me. Edited July 24, 20231 yr by Htsguy
July 24, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, Htsguy said: This is the one and only thread I have started in my nearly 18 years on the forum. Reading my original post starting the thread, it has become clear to me how hard it is to predict these things. For example, my guess at that time-2014- was that the Brinkman Duck Island project was going to be the next development to break ground. Not only was that not the case, but what we have at that sight now-Waterford Bluffs-is not even a Brinkman project. Moreover, a couple of my possible suggestions, which at the time seemed likely to happen soon, are now completely dead (Nucleus and a second Flats East Bank office building). Playhouse Square apartment (Lumen) and One University Circle did eventually happen but we are still waiting on the Lakefront which I thought in 2014 was just about to happen-silly me. Haha! I love going back and seeing my old hot takes... It's a good reminder that, even though we're some of the most well-informed Clevelanders, we all can be idiots sometimes lol
July 24, 20231 yr 11 hours ago, JohnSummit said: As an aside, I see I’m no longer considered a “Dirt Lot”, but I must admit I have no idea where Metropolitan Tower is Tallest building in Youngstown. Vacant, IIRC.
July 24, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: This is the one and only thread I have started in my nearly 18 years on the forum. Reading my original post starting the thread, it has become clear to me how hard it is to predict these things. For example, my guess at that time (2014) was that the Brinkman Duck Island project was going to be the next development to break ground. Not only was that not the case, but what we have at that site now-Waterford Bluffs-is not even a Brinkman project. Moreover, a couple of my possible suggestions, which at the time seemed likely to happen soon, are now completely dead (Nucleus and a second Flats East Bank office building). Playhouse Square apartment (Lumen) and One University Circle did eventually happen but we are still waiting on the Lakefront which I thought in 2014 was just about to happen-silly me. Happens to the best of us. I'm rooting for Bridgeworks. I hope I'm right!
July 24, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: After watching a couple of Cuyahoga council meetings the past few months where they argued with the administration over the jail and county participation in the Lakefront Commission, if seems to me that any consensus on the very expensive courthouse is not going to happen anytime soon and not without another protracted fight. You're probably correct. What you just described is partly why Cleveland loses to other metro areas (an inability to get things done). If the courthouse isn't next, I'm rooting for Bedrock's development to get kicked off asap.
July 24, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, zbaris87 said: In terms of new construction, its most likely going to be Bedrock, followed by CSU, Haslam Lakefront high rises on East 9th, Ballpark village announcement, Greyhound site and Superior and 15th... Is this right next to the Rock Hall expansion? Has there been dialogue between the Haslam's and RRHOF regarding developing the area?
July 24, 20231 yr Author 11 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said: Is this right next to the Rock Hall expansion? Has there been dialogue between the Haslam's and RRHOF regarding developing the area? My guess is that any high rise has to be a bit further south, probably in the vicinity of the Ninth Street rapid station and near the proposed land bridge.
July 24, 20231 yr No updates on Dream Hotel yet, however there may be one coming soon, not sure if its good or bad news, but i should have an update shortly on that project
July 24, 20231 yr Haven't heard anything on the West 3rd site, but that doesn't mean something isn't happening there
July 24, 20231 yr 20 hours ago, JohnSummit said: I was hoping for Bridgeworks, but based on @KJP’s TMUD article the other day, that doesn’t feel like a sure thing any more. Counting rehabs, and based on @zbaris87 ‘s comments, I’m feeling like either Rockefeller or Centennial would be next. i think rehabs are harder and more important than new build, so that’s fine by me and imo still shows impressive forward progress, especially when you keep in mind the topmost goal, getting humans back in cleveland. 👍
July 24, 20231 yr for new build the courthouse tower issue is most needed and imo most intriguing. i hope they decide to keep it as close to downtown as possible and of course build it as tall as they dare haha.
July 25, 20231 yr 12 hours ago, Htsguy said: This is the one and only thread I have started in my nearly 18 years on the forum. Reading my original post starting the thread, it has become clear to me how hard it is to predict these things. For example, my guess at that time (2014) was that the Brinkman Duck Island project was going to be the next development to break ground. Not only was that not the case, but what we have at that site now-Waterford Bluffs-is not even a Brinkman project. Moreover, a couple of my possible suggestions, which at the time seemed likely to happen soon, are now completely dead (Nucleus and a second Flats East Bank office building). Playhouse Square apartment (Lumen) and One University Circle did eventually happen but we are still waiting on the Lakefront which I thought in 2014 was just about to happen-silly me. And it’s one of the most fun threads! What’s your next prediction?
July 25, 20231 yr Author 1 hour ago, CleveFan said: And it’s one of the most fun threads! What’s your next prediction? My guess is Chester 82. @KJPposted near the end of June that actual building permits were being issued for the project.
July 25, 20231 yr 13 hours ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said: You're probably correct. What you just described is partly why Cleveland loses to other metro areas (an inability to get things done). I’d say that an extraordinary amount of things have gotten done in Cleveland in the last 10 years. Look at the skyline, look at the disappearing Class B office space that has turned residential, look at all of the infill construction in neighborhoods, etc., etc.
July 26, 20231 yr On 7/24/2023 at 2:27 PM, cfdwarrior said: New York Spaghetti House condo tower? Yeah, some new construction at 9th & Bolivar would be nice. It would eliminate those parking craters and would be visible from Progressive Field home plate camera. Edited July 26, 20231 yr by LibertyBlvd
September 12, 20231 yr I know a lot of the conversation also goes into the Cleveland Development Map thread, but I'm trying to re-start the predictions! I tried to make a list of everything I thought hasn't started yet, but I know I have left a bunch out. Please predict what you think, hope, pray and wish is next. ... and maybe what will never come to be. Demo/site prep? : The Apartments at Bolivar, 1060-1124 Bolivar Rd The Rockefeller Westinghouse Cleveland Police Artcraft Building Centennial United Church of Christ Church Building University Circle Stokes West Centrovilla 25 CCF Global Center for Pathogen and Human Health Research Cleveland Heights Cedar Lee Meadowbrook Next to start (in no particular order) : Warner & Swasey renovation Weston / Reallife Warehouse District Flats East Bank Wolstein-Kenect apartment building Flats East Bank (not Kenect) NuCLEus site project Harbor Bay's Market Square phase 2 Greyhound site Lumen phase 2 Ballpark village Erieview Tower CSU new arena Wolstein Center redevelopment Rock & Roll Hall of Fame expansion 4732 Lorain CWRU new Interdisciplinary Science and Engineering Building (ISEB), Voss Industries ‘Carriage works’ site The Village Partnership project (Slavic Village neighborhood redevelopment) Chester 82 Chester 75 East 9th/Bolivar Spaghetti House lot Dream Hotel Hulett Hotel Delta Hotel by Marriott Midtown The Uptown seven-story Beach Building addition Sokolowski’s property, 1201 University Rd., six-story apartment building Columbus Road Peninsula. The Pine, 45-unit Bridgeworks One Lakewood Place 2208 Superior Viaduct 1250 Riverbed / The Apollo Nautica Justice Center Courthouse County Jail Brown’s Stadium Lakefront development Old River Road Samsel Supply Bedrock: Vision for the Valley Circle square (next building) The Pearl Hough Tower – 9410 Hough Ave Canon Healthcare USA’s new headquarters (maybe no actual construction) Shoreway Tower Blue Abyss Diving Ltd. deep sea and space research center Arkitainer Hough Paradigm Apartments Infinium Ontario Stone 5 Acre Parcel Shoreline Phase II Silverhills at Thunderbird Woodhill Station Woodhill Center East Agora Apartments Asiatown Food Hall City Block (BlockLand Tech Hub) Hough Bakeries Renovation Ohio Bell Pilsener Square
September 12, 20231 yr Well, Rock Hall expansion is supposed to get started next month, so that will be my prediction. Some of the sites listed are shovel ready,such as nuCLEus and the former Spaghetti House lot, others are not. Funding needs to be determined for jail, courthouse, CSU arena, Browns stadium and others, so those won't be happening anytime soon. I am hoping for something to happen soon at the nuCLEus site. it sure would be nice to eliminate another huge parking crater in the CBD (which will be even larger once the rickety parking garage is demolished). And we have been waiting a long, long time for something to happen there. Edited September 13, 20231 yr by LibertyBlvd
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