January 21, 200718 yr People on this forum bitch and complain about stores closing and suburbanites being affraid to go downtown, but by the sound of it, not many people on here are doing much to help downtown either (residents aside). People complain about lack of retail, but many of you "don't shop", people want a movie theater downtown but many of you don't see movies either. What can downtown possibly do to attract people if, even the supposed most avid supporters of downtown have nothing that would appeal to them? People say that local businesses need to be supported and people should be walking down the street to the mom and pop stores to buy, say...socks, yet on here people brag and are applauded for buying socks from, presumably, an out of town or even international company on-line. That doesn't make much sense to me. Interesting.
January 22, 200718 yr People on this forum bitch and complain about stores closing and suburbanites being affraid to go downtown, but by the sound of it, not many people on here are doing much to help downtown either (residents aside). True for me, especially in regards to clothes. I usually shop at Tower Place once a year for some last minute Christmas stuff, but we do support the smaller downtown stores. In the past month we have made purchases at Batsakes, Burkhardts, City Cellars, Benet's, Walgreens, and the corner store at Vine and Garfield. Our doctors and dentists are here, and of course we spend tons of money at Findlay market. Back to tower place; It still has the stores I use: Radio Shack, and TJ maxx.
January 22, 200718 yr People on this forum bitch and complain about stores closing and suburbanites being affraid to go downtown, but by the sound of it, not many people on here are doing much to help downtown either (residents aside). People complain about lack of retail, but many of you "don't shop", people want a movie theater downtown but many of you don't see movies either. What can downtown possibly do to attract people if, even the supposed most avid supporters of downtown have nothing that would appeal to them? People say that local businesses need to be supported and people should be walking down the street to the mom and pop stores to buy, say...socks, yet on here people brag and are applauded for buying socks from, presumably, an out of town or even international company on-line. That doesn't make much sense to me. Well put...I don't live downtown (yet), but I make a concerted effort to support the businesses and other cultural attractions downtown...I have membership to CAC, I try to do all my shoping at Tower Place, I go to tons of Reds games, I eat at the small local food places...whatever I can do to help the cause...I do it!
January 24, 200718 yr thank you for not taking up a parking spot that I can use. hahaha I agree...a parking spot I can use to meet you and to then, go downtown and support the local business. I was in Tower Place the other night as a stop at my friend's birthday celebration ( sadly just to use the restroom haha). All of the attendees (all females) were absolutely shocked at how empty and depressing the mall actually was. They were definately not afraid of being down there, and I think that if it could turn around, a lot of people would go down and shop. A great thing would be if stores that did not have 10 other locations in the area could open up there, giving people more reason to go and shop. Right now, it makes since to me that places like Ann Taylor and Talbots would close, considering they have stores in almost every mall and outdoor development in the area including Rookwood Commons, which is relatively pretty close. I see potential, so maybe there will be better days.
January 24, 200718 yr Jewelry stores remain hopeful BY JOHN ECKBERG | [email protected] January 24, 2007 Rogers Jewelers in the first-floor arcade of Carew Tower closes Saturday. However, independent jewelers downtown insist Rogers' demise doesn't necessarily portend doom for their stores. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070124/BIZ01/701240320/1076/BIZ
January 24, 200718 yr Even downtown Middletown can support a Rogers! :lol: ;) Could they support a Tiffany's? Or a Richter and Phillips?
January 24, 200718 yr Even downtown Middletown can support a Rogers! :lol: ;) Could they support a Tiffany's? Or a Richter and Phillips? Note my :lol: and ;) ...Roger's corporate offices are in downtown Middletown, which is probably the only reason it survives, but I couldn't resist the contrast, especially with all the Middletown-hating Cincinnatians around here! :lol:
January 24, 200718 yr ^ Yeah, I was giving you a hard time. :) I should have included one of these: ;)
January 24, 200718 yr People on this forum bitch and complain about stores closing and suburbanites being affraid to go downtown, but by the sound of it, not many people on here are doing much to help downtown either (residents aside). People complain about lack of retail, but many of you "don't shop", people want a movie theater downtown but many of you don't see movies either. What can downtown possibly do to attract people if, even the supposed most avid supporters of downtown have nothing that would appeal to them? People say that local businesses need to be supported and people should be walking down the street to the mom and pop stores to buy, say...socks, yet on here people brag and are applauded for buying socks from, presumably, an out of town or even international company on-line. That doesn't make much sense to me. Well put...I don't live downtown (yet), but I make a concerted effort to support the businesses and other cultural attractions downtown...I have membership to CAC, I try to do all my shoping at Tower Place, I go to tons of Reds games, I eat at the small local food places...whatever I can do to help the cause...I do it! Yes I agree edale, very well put. You're right Rando these days you have to make a conscience effort to frequent the types of stores and food places that help the small or local guys whether it's a downtown biz or something in one of the city's neighborhood business areas.
January 25, 200718 yr Tiny Mahatma moving to Main Street Cincinnati Business Courier - 4:09 PM EST Wednesdayby Lisa Biank FasigStaff Reporter http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2007/01/22/daily34.html?f=et57&hbx=e_du Mahatma, the closet-sized jewelry store that has attracted a large following for its eye-catching items from India, Tibet and Nepal, is relocating from its 18-year-old nook in the Carew Tower to a larger space on Main Street.
January 25, 200718 yr I bought my mom some stuff from there... that's a cool ass little store. Moving is a really good idea; that little store is hardly visible to people walking past it.
January 26, 200718 yr She told me she was moving to Main and I think that is a great idea! That little area (next to Manna) is really starting to take shape into something cool. I'm excited about the future of that area.
January 26, 200718 yr I bought my mom some stuff from there... that's a cool ass little store. Moving is a really good idea; that little store is hardly visible to people walking past it. Yeah..I have never heard/noticed it before while I am at Tower Place.
January 26, 200718 yr Tower Place Mall up for sale again -headline on page three of today's business courier, not available online.
January 31, 200718 yr That's not surprising. http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2007/01/29/story4.html Tower Place Mall up for sale again Cincinnati Business Courier - January 26, 2007 by Lisa Biank Fasig Tower Place Mall, the downtown retail center that has in the past few years lost much of its tenant backbone, is up for sale, two years after its owner acquired the property. LaSalle Investment Management put the two buildings on the market in mid-January. The property involves the mall building on Fourth Street east of Race, which includes the food court, atrium and most retail positions. The second, on Fourth Street west of Race, is where Closson's had once operated and includes a 1,082-space parking garage and second-story retail. [Paid article below]
January 31, 200718 yr There were some big shots walking through the mall today with clips boards etc ... looking at certain things in strong detail. I wonder if they are appraisers, potential buyers, or worked for MM??? I should have asked! ;)
January 31, 200718 yr ohhh...the smiley makes all the difference! Thanks for taking a cheap shot at a Cincy situation...I'll keep that in mind!
January 31, 200718 yr I plan on exploring this place while its still in its current state. From what a friend said, its like the Charleston Town Center in West Virginia, except this one is on the decline. I still hold my position that a mixed-use redevelopment would be best for this site. No new malls have been built for years, and renovations of existing malls rarely hold up.
January 31, 200718 yr ^ehh..probably not though, I mean its Cincinnati right....nothing ever happens here. Especially good things, so whats the use, the 'burbs have plenty of shopping options right..the hell with the inner-city in Cincy. [/angry tirade derived from a bad span of a week or so, and constant bashing from Cincy media/outsiders/suburbanites] [/therapy session] *begins to laugh..then cry..then curls up in ball* :laugh: :cry: :oops:
January 31, 200718 yr Hell I remember when Cincinnati was much worse. At least its seeing some revitalization, like in Clifton Heights (although it just suffered a setback), the Fort Washington Way project (which features future capping supports), and the museums and resurgence in downtown living. It's doing far better than many other cities. I would sweeten the pot with more good news, but I'll post my depressing photographs of the mall first.
January 31, 200718 yr If there is anyone that thinks that piece of property is just going to sit there empty, then they are out of there mind. Prime, prime, prime location. If it's retail, then they are going to HAVE to put in one of a kind, kind of retail, i.e. Saks, Tiffany's etc ... I'm shooting for the mix project.
January 31, 200718 yr Hell I remember when Cincinnati was much worse. At least its seeing some revitalization, like in Clifton Heights (although it just suffered a setback), the Fort Washington Way project (which features future capping supports), and the museums and resurgence in downtown living. It's doing far better than many other cities. I would sweeten the pot with more good news, but I'll post my depressing photographs of the mall first. http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=qhhzsd7ypjkq&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=9130534 I remembered those as projects and recalled some work being done with new housing going up that are, IIRC, low and middle income. What is all this called and is there a web-site?
January 31, 200718 yr I still hold my position that a mixed-use redevelopment would be best for this site. No new malls have been built for years, and renovations of existing malls rarely hold up. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/29/BUG8CLESUG1.DTL New mall as an extension of an existing successful mall, opened September 2006.
January 31, 200718 yr http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=qhhzsd7ypjkq&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=9130534 I remembered those as projects and recalled some work being done with new housing going up that are, IIRC, low and middle income. What is all this called and is there a web-site? Here's a general discussion thread Monte started on City West - his pictures are gone, but the discussion, including background and newspaper articles, is all still there: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=1743.0 ...and here's a photo thread by OTRFan from last November: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=11174.0
March 15, 200718 yr Cincinnati Magazine moving to Carew Tower BY LAURA BAVERMAN | [email protected] March 15, 2007 Cincinnati Magazine will move its office to the second floor of Carew Tower, leaving its space at Centennial Plaza. It will occupy 11,000 square feet in the prime retail space opposite Morton's Steakhouse. http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2007/03/12/daily33.html?surround=lfn
May 17, 200718 yr Comings and goings at two Downtown Towers BY NICOLE HAMILTON | [email protected] May 15, 2007 DOWNTOWN - Tower Place Mall calls itself "The Place to Be," but some Downtowners say, lately it has been looking more like the place to leave. Since the beginning of 2004, the mall has endured a succession of tenants who have opted not to renew their leases. Among these retailers are the Gap, Banana Republic and Ann Taylor. Morton's Steakhouse has also moved out of Tower Place and will soon open at its new location in Carew Tower. Tower Place Mall's current owner, Tower Place Retail LLC, has put the two buildings which include the mall at Fourth Street, east of Race Street, where the retail shops and food court are located, and the building across the street at Fourth Street west of Race Street, that includes the parking lot and second-story retail space up for sale. The mall group has found a buyer and by mid-May, says Christi Begley, Tower Place manager, expects the deal to be finalized. She cannot elaborate much on the sale, but she says that the letters of intent have been signed. Retailers like Samantha Altman, who manages Brentano's Bookstore in Tower Place, says business is getting slower, and something has to be done soon. "I keep hearing a lot of rumors that things are going to change, but nothing ever happens," she says. "It's frustrating." Many Tower Place Mall businesses signed leases at the same time, and most of the leases expired at the same time as well. Since the stores were vacated all at once, Begley says, it gives the appearance that the mall is emptier than it actually is. The adjoining Carew Tower has also seen its share of vacancies. In the past few years, the tower has lost the Limited, Bath & Body Works, Petite Sophisticate and Rogers Jewelers among others. Steve Fahrnbach, vice president of the Belvedere Corporation, who operates the Tower, says, they have been able to secure new tenants for most of the vacancies. "You better bring your appetite," says Fahrnbach, of the flurry of new restaurants making its way to the Carew Tower. The Brazilian Steakhouse Boi Na Braza will soon open in the former Limited space, and Morton's Steakhouse will also open on the second floor of Carew Tower. He continues by saying that Cincinnati is no different than many other cities with Downtown shopping malls. Many retailers are not renewing their leases in a lot of them because they do not see Downtown urban areas as the best markets for their products. The future of retail in Downtown, Fahrnbach believes, is in specialty retail, like Appointments, a business store in the Carew Tower. "We don't really rely on the day-to-day shopper to stay afloat," says Labron Miller of Appointments. The store specializes in fountain pens and sells them to customers all over the world. "We need to create a large, unique shopping experience," says Fahrnbach. For more information about Tower Place Mall visit www.towerplace.com.
May 17, 200718 yr Where is Mortons moving to? The second floor corner space at 5th and Vine (above the new Brazilian Steak House). They should have a nice second story view of Fountain Square.
May 17, 200718 yr Ohhh I was wondering about what work was going on up there. I just assumed that Boi na Braza was going to take up two floors like Mcschmicks.
May 18, 200718 yr What would be really cool is a trendy restaurant and/or bar on the top couple of levels of Carew Tower.
May 19, 200718 yr if you want a cool upper level bar the millienum (sic?) hotel has a bar on the 21st floor
May 19, 200718 yr The revolving restaurant at the Millineum closed shortly after sept 11 due to lack of business after the big recession in the travel industry. They still open it up for private parties and have been considering opening it up again as a full scale restaurant (at least that is what the manager said this past winter)
May 21, 200718 yr ^ Yeah I discovered this when going up there to shoot photos. It is located on the 30 & 31st floor. It offers a very unique view of the city.
May 21, 200718 yr I was up there for a party, I didn't realize it wasn't normally open. allowing this to stay closed means the terrorists have won.
May 22, 200718 yr allowing this to stay closed means the terrorists have won. :-D I was up there for a rehersal dinner for the first time last year. It is a really cool view of the city. They need to open it on a regular basis.
May 22, 200718 yr Blame it on September 11 like everyone else. Why not blame it on lousy service? Or bad food? I guess that's too hard.
August 13, 200717 yr New York developer buys Tower Place Mall BY JOHN ECKBERG | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER Northeast Securities Development Corp. of New York City purchased Tower Place Mall. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070813/BIZ01/708130322/1076
August 14, 200717 yr Downtown has a mall? How come I've never heard of it? (Tongue-in-cheek) I've been trying to find out who these buyers are but I can't find out any info on them. I'm sure the buyer that's listed is an LLC that's been set up.
August 15, 200717 yr I've been trying to find out who these buyers are but I can't find out any info on them. I'm sure the buyer that's listed is an LLC that's been set up. I spoke with someone that works in TP about this and he said he met the "new owners". He said this in an email: "The floor where we are (2nd floor) would be restaurants and bars and all retail would be moved to the first floor." We'll see ...
August 15, 200717 yr First floor with street-level access I hope. That is the ultimate plan...hopefully that is what they mean.
August 15, 200717 yr First floor with street-level access I hope. That is the ultimate plan...hopefully that is what they mean. That's correct. TP has a LL, 1st FL, 2nd FL, etc ...
August 15, 200717 yr I don't think I'd like to hang out in a restaurant or bar within Tower Place, but there are plenty of people who would. I wish them luck if that's their plan.
August 16, 200717 yr I don't think I'd like to hang out in a restaurant or bar within Tower Place, but there are plenty of people who would. I wish them luck if that's their plan. It seems to work for Newport though, right? The Dewey's for example always seems to be packed with movie goers. I still think we need a theatre in Tower Place.
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