I just want hospitals and universities to have to work within the same framework and rules regarding negative extranalites to their neighborhood that the private sector and the rest of the public sector has.

Which is funny as the preservation/architecture argument was not made by the parties involved or picked up by any preservation organizations.  I think you could also make an argument that these institutions are helping the redevelopment of the downtown basin.  I know a significant amount of employees of these institutions who have made purchases in the basin in the last few years so while not ideal in how these institutions exist in the neighborhood they do provide high paying jobs to many individuals who are more and more taking up residence in downtown/otr.

 

The only reason why the downtown basin is on the right track was because Mallory (who is hated by some members here for no good reason other than he scares them and makes them have to clutch their pearls because OMG he did things differently!) pushed back on what the powers that be wanted.  The powers that be wanted 3CDC to focus on the banks, he forced them to focus on OTR.  There was a good healthy push and pull instead of our institutions should be respected because they have authority so lets let them do whatever stupid idea they want to do.  Its a shame that uptown and downtown couldn't have gotten the same kind of TLC.  Downtown provides Uptown with workers, but wouldn't it also make sense to have some of those workers walk to work from their own neighborhoods too?

I just want hospitals and universities to have to work within the same framework and rules regarding negative extranalites to their neighborhood that the private sector and the rest of the public sector has.

 

But they save Childrens lives!  Because they do that it doesn't matter that they charged me 300,000 for a major operation on my child (which 20 years ago costs like a couple thousand), or that they are literally allowed to do whatever they want to the neighborhood ;)

.

^ I think it is a balancing act and sometimes you need to sacrifice for the sake of progress. Some people are willing to throw the entire baby out with the bathwater because they are not getting everything they want. Very shortsighted.

The only reason why the downtown basin is on the right track was because Mallory (who is hated by some members here for no good reason other than he scares them and makes them have to clutch their pearls because OMG he did things differently!) pushed back on what the powers that be wanted.  The powers that be wanted 3CDC to focus on the banks, he forced them to focus on OTR. 

 

In what instances did Mallory push back against 3CDC regarding OTR and the Banks?  I'm a Mallory fan but I can't remember such an instance. 12th and Vine was getting underway around the time Mallory took office as where plans for Washington Park so it's not like he had anything to do with these.

^ I think it is a balancing act and sometimes you need to sacrifice for the sake of progress. Some people are willing to throw the entire baby out with the bathwater because they are not getting everything they want. Very shortsighted.

 

Most cities in the country would dream of having what Cincinnati has even if its a diamond in the rough.  Tearing down this stuff is throwing the entire baby out with the bathwater.  I grew up in Dayton, I know what a more average American city looks like, Cincinnati isn't it!

 

I do waver on a few projects, but I think their should be scrutiny and that's what their isn't here, and that's what drives me nuts about everything that's been happening in uptown over the last 20-30 years.

Fact is that the hospital area is a complete mess.  The most traditionally "urban" of the hospitals is Deaconess, and it's semi-abandoned and egregiously holding vacant lots across Straight St. for some unannounced future project.  Good Samaritan no doubt was a motivator in the recent demolition of several dozen homes and multifamilies along MLK to create a tidier front entrance from I-75.  Christ tore everything down except the Stanley Broadnax-owned 20~ unit building on Malvern and would love nothing more than to demolish the historic and suspiciously vacant mansions which impede its ability to front Auburn Ave. 

 

And that's just the tip of the iceberg before discussing UC/VA/Children's/Shriner's/old Jewish. 

I always thought Luken set up 3CDC with one of the key goals of fixing OTR. From the beginning they focused on buying up a huge part of the housing stock in OTR and banking it for future development.

 

 

Yeah, future development that fit the neighborhood.

I always thought Luken set up 3CDC with one of the key goals of fixing OTR. From the beginning they focused on buying up a huge part of the housing stock in OTR and banking it for future development.

 

 

 

They weren't going to do stuff with it until the Banks/Fountain Square was done (which btw with the Banks, read the thread on that in this forum and note how it was a shouting match until Mallory stepped in and got stuff done so it would have taken far longer to get off the ground too).  As a result I'm sure more of OTR would have been lost too...

They weren't going to do stuff with it until the Banks/Fountain Square was done (which btw with the Banks, read the thread on that in this forum and note how it was a shouting match until Mallory stepped in and got stuff done so it would have taken far longer to get off the ground too).  As a result I'm sure more of OTR would have been lost too...

 

The plans for Washington Park, the "Gateway" portion of Vine St, the new SCPA all pre-date Mallory.  I liked him alot but that does change the facts of the matter.  Even found mention of the Mercer Commons project from 2004 which surprised even me.  Enjoy the reading!

 

Good plan for washington park. (2004, Jun 12). Cincinnati Enquirer Retrieved from https://search.proquest.com/docview/237396510?accountid=39387

 

Korte, G. (2004, Mar 18). City votes $2.5M for condos. Cincinnati Enquirer Retrieved from https://search.proquest.com/docview/237401554?accountid=39387

 

Boost OTR homeownership. (2004, Mar 26). Cincinnati Enquirer Retrieved from https://search.proquest.com/docview/237405826?accountid=39387

They weren't going to do stuff with it until the Banks/Fountain Square was done (which btw with the Banks, read the thread on that in this forum and note how it was a shouting match until Mallory stepped in and got stuff done so it would have taken far longer to get off the ground too).  As a result I'm sure more of OTR would have been lost too...

 

The plans for Washington Park, the "Gateway" portion of Vine St, the new SCPA all pre-date Mallory.  I liked him alot but that does change the facts of the matter.  Even found mention of the Mercer Commons project from 2004 which surprised even me.  Enjoy the reading!

 

Good plan for washington park. (2004, Jun 12). Cincinnati Enquirer Retrieved from https://search.proquest.com/docview/237396510?accountid=39387

 

Korte, G. (2004, Mar 18). City votes $2.5M for condos. Cincinnati Enquirer Retrieved from https://search.proquest.com/docview/237401554?accountid=39387

 

Boost OTR homeownership. (2004, Mar 26). Cincinnati Enquirer Retrieved from https://search.proquest.com/docview/237405826?accountid=39387

 

The plans were there, but would they have been done on time for the neighborhood to be turned around?  Would it have been executed as well?  There are a lot of good ideas on the books now too but I don't see as much progress as what happened in Cincy under Mallorys watch.

 

Washington Park for instance probably would have happened, but maybe the CPS school would have torn down a block or two of houses like they wanted to originally?

The powers that be wanted 3CDC to focus on the banks, he forced them to focus on OTR.

 

 

I think the articles I have posted links to show that 3CDC, from a very early point, was focused on OTR.  You can choose to believe Mallory did this but the articles I have posted to say otherwise.  Yes the progress and completion of a lot of these projects happened under Mallory but if you will have a hard time convincing me that he had a personal impact on the project execution of these things.  I'd he happy to hear otherwise as I'm a big fan of his but lets not have our passion distort the facts.

 

Washington Park for instance probably would have happened, but maybe the CPS school would have torn down a block or two of houses like they wanted to originally?

 

You mean the houses they did tear down for there expansion?  https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1076428,-84.5162823,3a,90y,291.48h,94.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sf-sFSsz5nJJhg3ktXLa2lA!2e0!5s20070901T000000!7i3328!8i1664

The powers that be wanted 3CDC to focus on the banks, he forced them to focus on OTR.

 

 

I think the articles I have posted links to show that 3CDC, from a very early point, was focused on OTR.  You can choose to believe Mallory did this but the articles I have posted to say otherwise.  Yes the progress and completion of a lot of these projects happened under Mallory but if you will have a hard time convincing me that he had a personal impact on the project execution of these things.  I'd he happy to hear otherwise as I'm a big fan of his but lets not have our passion distort the facts.

 

 

When I lived in Cincinnati the city was an absolute mess.  People were squabbling over the stupidest junk and nothing was getting done while the city was literally rotting to the core.  Mallory did backroom deals and set things on the right path.  When I get a few mins I'll dig into the thread and show you when it changed.  You can find all this information on this forum.

 

It was the Washington Park Elem school and not the SCPA (which IMO was also wrong in doing what they did but what the Elementary school proposed was far worse).

I'm all ears to learn about the backroom deals, did you work in the Mallory administration?

No need to get into a pissing match folks. You both are right to an extent. 3CDC started in 2003 to help revitialize the core. They starting banking OTR property for later development at that time. Their first big project though was Ftn Sq in 2005/06. Luken was mayor at that time. Mallory came to office in 2006/07 and worked to get the banks project started. He said there was a hole in the front porch. The Banks was a long stalled project and he made it a priority to get it started. He led the way to getting Carter on board for the Banks project.

 

Washington Park was set to be developed for years prior to 3CDC. It took a number of developments to get the key players to execute upon it but Mallory did play a role in helping get that moving.

 

The rest of OTR was in motion prior to Mallory, but the great recession slowed a lot of it down.

 

Mallory had some big wins but later in his career he alienated the business community some by doing more social engineering and boondoggle projects (Mahogoney's for example) and any Laure Quinliven idea. Part of Mallory's problem was Doheney as city manager was not very good to deal with.

 

 

Mallory had some big wins but later in his career he alienated the business community some by doing more social engineering and boondoggle projects (Mahogoney's for example) and any Laure Quinliven idea. Part of Mallory's problem was Doheney as city manager was not very good to deal with.

 

I'm still frustrated that Mahogany's  gets more attention than the far worse deal that was done with Toby Keith's I love this Scam (google the bar's name and you'll find a giant list of lawsuits all over the country), more city money was given to them than Mahogany's but their wasn't any kind of news stories about that...

 

Btw A lot of these "social experiments" were trying out new ideas and seeing what stuck.  IMO its something Cincinnati should try more, while some were poorly thought out, not all were - for instance Mallory pushed for the World Choir Games which IMO was a success and helped the city's morale, ditto with the 21C Hotel and even getting a Panera bread downtown.  Also the artworks Murals he had a hand in getting started and when I took friends down to Cincinnati that was one of the first things they complimented.  He was doing the kinds of experimentation that was sorely needed in Cincinnati.  These days Cranley seems to only be interested in developing big box suburban style developments in peripheral neighborhoods.

 

If the business community got angry at this - tough junk, they've been doing poor decisions for their hometown for too many years and saying no to everything.  They should own up to their dysfunction. (See the whole Dennison mess for the latest chapter of what they think are good ideas).

OTR's resurgence is a perfect example of a mayor working with the corporate community to get things done. Yes, Mallory deserves credit for bringing everyone together and focusing attention on OTR, but there is no 3CDC without the corporate players in town. They came together and provided financing that enabled revitalization efforts to occur. From what I remember, OTR was always one of the foci, along with Fountain Square and The Banks. P&G, along with others, needed the core to improve so they could attract better young talent to work at their companies. Mallory might have helped direct them to OTR upfront, but you can't say it's all his doing. If I remember correctly, the OTR redevelopment plan that laid the framework for 3CDC was actually completed under Luken. I don't remember if 3CDC was created in the waning years of Luken or at the start of Mallory.

 

I get that you have frustrations with Cincinnati, neilworms, but you should consider toning down your rhetoric a bit. Cincinnati can continue to dig it's own grave? I didn't know Cincinnati was dying. Coryville and Avondale have lost their souls and character? Please. There have been a number of demolitions around Uptown, and that is truly unfortunate. But the area has also seen tremendous growth, both in term of population and economy. Children's attracts workers and patients from around the world. It is a top 3 pediatric institution in the US, and is a research powerhouse. Yes, Cincy has leverage to negotiate better for its neighborhoods. Jake's idea about expanding across Burnet is a fine one, and should have been studied as an alternative. But I still think that this expansion will be a net win for Avondale and Uptown as a whole.

 

There is a difference between a city giving a major institution carte blanche to do whatever it pleases and supporting the anchor institutions in the city, and putting them in the best position to thrive and contribute to the growth of the city. I think the expansion is one of the latter situations, though I do think the city could have gotten a better project, had objections been raised earlier. My issue with Yvette's move here is not that she asked for additional money for Avondale, but how she did it at the last minute, completely blindsiding Children's. If she was serious about getting more money from Children's she should have been having conversations with them along the way. The stunt she and Young pulled was little more than political theater. If it costs her this time, lesson learned.

 

The demolition of historic resources is very troubling to me, but the removal of housing stock doesn't trip me up too much. Not in a city where we still have a glut of housing, at least. Overall, I think this will be a net win, and I hope the conversation that this has spawned will at least get people thinking about preservation in non-basin neighborhoods.

Mallory had some big wins but later in his career he alienated the business community some by doing more social engineering and boondoggle projects (Mahogoney's for example) and any Laure Quinliven idea. Part of Mallory's problem was Doheney as city manager was not very good to deal with.

 

I'm still frustrated that Mahagany's gets more attention than the far worse deal that was done with Toby Keith's I love this Scam (google the bar's name and you'll find a giant list of lawsuits all over the country), more city money was done for it.

 

 

 

 

WLW attack a popular Nu-Country act? Uh-uh.

I get that you have frustrations with Cincinnati, neilworms, but you should consider toning down your rhetoric a bit. Cincinnati can continue to dig it's own grave? I didn't know Cincinnati was dying. Coryville and Avondale have lost their souls and character? Please. There have been a number of demolitions around Uptown, and that is truly unfortunate. But the area has also seen tremendous growth, both in term of population and economy. Children's attracts workers and patients from around the world. It is a top 3 pediatric institution in the US, and is a research powerhouse. Yes, Cincy has leverage to negotiate better for its neighborhoods. Jake's idea about expanding across Burnet is a fine one, and should have been studied as an alternative. But I still think that this expansion will be a net win for Avondale and Uptown as a whole.

 

Cincinnati isn't dying now (though their was a good argument for it dying back in 2006), however it is not living up to its potential in the least.  Its confounding to me how hard it is for people to wrap their heads around how unique Cincinnati is in the Midwest, that's why my rhetoric is so harsh - you're getting C+ grades when you could be getting As with the assets you have if leadership understood its potential value more instead it seems money is being thrown at developing industry in Bond Hill, why isn't some of that port money focused on making the core city more desireable and attractive?  Every midwest city advertises to tourists in Chicago in the summer except for one, guess who that is?  Even Columbus has ads telling people they are a worthy city to consider moving to.  There is money in Cincy unlike a lot of the rest of the rust belt, but that money isn't focused on quality of life, its focused on pet projects of the people who contribute the most money to the politicians.

 

There is a lot Cincinnati isn't doing because I think its priorities are messed up and in the long run this is going to lead to continued relative decline to the point where the city could lose out even though its a long term game.

Mallory had some big wins but later in his career he alienated the business community some by doing more social engineering and boondoggle projects (Mahogoney's for example) and any Laure Quinliven idea. Part of Mallory's problem was Doheney as city manager was not very good to deal with.

 

I'm still frustrated that Mahogany's  gets more attention than the far worse deal that was done with Toby Keith's I love this Scam (google the bar's name and you'll find a giant list of lawsuits all over the country), more city money was given to them than Mahogany's but their wasn't any kind of news stories about that...

 

Btw A lot of these "social experiments" were trying out new ideas and seeing what stuck.  IMO its something Cincinnati should try more, while some were poorly thought out, not all were - for instance Mallory pushed for the World Choir Games which IMO was a success and helped the city's morale, ditto with the 21C Hotel and even getting a Panera bread downtown.  Also the artworks Murals he had a hand in getting started and when I took friends down to Cincinnati that was one of the first things they complimented.  He was doing the kinds of experimentation that was sorely needed in Cincinnati.  These days Cranley seems to only be interested in developing big box suburban style developments in peripheral neighborhoods.

 

If the business community got angry at this - tough junk, they've been doing poor decisions for their hometown for too many years and saying no to everything.  They should own up to their dysfunction. (See the whole Dennison mess for the latest chapter of what they think are good ideas).

 

It is not the concept that is the problem with Mahogoney's it is that the city needs to be a shepherd of taxpayer money. WHen you give it to a bad credit risk, that is not doing your fiduciary duty. If the owner had a stronger credit history or had other deeper pocket investors it was a reasonable risk to take. The problem is the deal was bad because the diligence was ignored and the taxpayer money was wasted. That is not the job of the city to take such risks. Let the private sector finance her.

 

Panera, Toby Keith's were class A Tenants who carried a much lower credit risk. That is the difference. 21C was a very strong credit and had a proven concept.

 

I do not have a problem with the city taking a risk on new concepts, however, they should not treat taxpayer money as a venture capital firm would and should not be taking financial risks with marginal prospects.

Panera, yeah I get it.

 

I'm pretty shocked about Toby Keith's because even when the deal happened if you googled their name, their were lawsuits already flying out, the credit rating must have been based on confidence scoring agencies had on a celebrity endorsement...  I think a bit of research could have helped the city not make that deal.  Mahogany's I'll agree was too much risk to bear out.

 

You don't take risks you don't get rewards.  Their are good reasons why  the Bay Area is killing everyone else when it comes to economic development IMO.  Cincinnati has enough of a diverse industrial/commerical base that it can afford to take a few risks now and then.

This is getting way off topic. If you want to talk about The Banks or 3CDC, please do it in the appropriate threads.

Obviously there is a lot of different opinions on this whole issue, and I think it is somewhere in between.

 

Let's face it, the city council leaders needed to be more upfront about all of this from when the planning started.  I don't know their day in day out work schedules, etc. but it seemed on it's face and for many people obviously on this forum that it was a political move by Yvette Simpson that was really bad optics.

 

I think if the design was better, if it engaged better with the street, if it wasn't a massive parking garage, I think it would be taken much better.

 

I think for Avondale, the city needs to continue to push for mixed use residential especially along that Burnett Corridor that is ripe for better housing.  Children's and the Uptown Consortium needs to push/encourage the employees to live in the neighborhood somehow, someway.  Then, this can all be a win-win, hopefully without the effect of pushing residents out. 

 

Sometimes, it seems inevitable with rising property values, but if it happens in a more organic way with employees purchase property and dense, mixed used and mixed income developments along the commercial corridors, I think the future is bright in Avondale.

 

If Simpson and Young want to push for more money into Avondale, they need to do it in a strategic way which involves the use of bringing developers and their expertise on low income tax credits, new market tax credits, etc. The city needs to market this area in a smart way to help it become healthier, and they need to do it in a way which is pleasing aesthetically while keeping a healthy mix.

 

From this a new job growth in the area, the city can hire more cops / social workers / maybe put up a $10 million dollar rec center for at risk youths / new lightning / federal enforcement on the gang leaders / drug pushers and weapons and help clean up the place.

Washington Park for instance probably would have happened, but maybe the CPS school would have torn down a block or two of houses like they wanted to originally?

 

You mean the houses they did tear down for there expansion?  https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1076428,-84.5162823,3a,90y,291.48h,94.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sf-sFSsz5nJJhg3ktXLa2lA!2e0!5s20070901T000000!7i3328!8i1664

 

Not these back in the early 2000's there was a plan for a new walnut street OTR school and CPS wanted to tear down two blocks worth of existing buildings to build something like the school that got built in the west end by TAFT (center of block with a campus surrounding). It would have been awful for OTR and its resurgence.

 

^Right, basically everything occupied by the Mercer Commons phases was going to be torn down for one mediocre school.  Instead, CPS was finally convinced to restore Rothenberg.  Looking back, you have to wonder how much the nascent charter school movement was behind the CPS bond issue.  It freed up tons of buildings for the charter scammers to swoop in and take. 

 

The new schools in Avondale might have taken a few houses to accumulate their huge footprints and useless lawns.  10 years on and the new schools already look dull and dated all around the city. 

It's amazing how much open space is on Burnett just north of Children's.  The city could really push for development in these areas unless it's already owned by Children's?  Some really sizable, mixed income with retail space.  Is crime bad in this specific area of Avondale? (sorry, I have never spent much time at all around this area).

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.146194,-84.4997627,3a,75y,162.48h,87.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOWrXgkhM-0lqwbnEoGvByQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

^There used to be a small strip mall at that corner that was the site of non-stop loitering.  Back in the 90s I lived nearby and the strip of Burnett between Children's and Rockdale was a non-stop hub of drug dealing.  The Ronald McDonald house moved to its current building around that time and it's no mistake that it is gated. 

 

Again, if the Avondale "community" is worried about gentrification, it's not gong to come from this hospital project, it's going to be caused by whatever big-time residential projects come to occupy all of the vacant space the hospital has acquired over the past 20 years. 

Hm, interesting, I couldn't even tell which one was the RMCD House until I typed it into Google.

 

Yeah, there is so much space there, it's crazy to think nothing has been built there yet.  So it is the hospital which owns the vacant land?

This is the old Ronald McDonald House...it used to have a waving Ronald statue out front:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1421275,-84.5043574,3a,75y,183.41h,88.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sU0hY88T4uDkO2ie66ztg2A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

If you look at the footprint of the new clown house, it is much larger than one would assume from the street thanks to its parking lot.  It consumes almost half of the block, with this giant planned Children's tower consuming the remainder.  I'd be worried now that Children's will come after the adjacent areas for more parking. 

 

I heard the people at Ronald McDonald house are not too happy with the expansion either because children's is encroaching on some of their planned expansion space.

Well they could build up or onto their parking lot.  Or across Burnett in that giant vacant lot. 

I heard the people at Ronald McDonald house are not too happy with the expansion either because children's is encroaching on some of their planned expansion space.

 

Completely false.  Children's sold/gave them the land for their most recent expansion back around 2007.  Children's has owned the adjoining properties since 2008. 

I heard the people at Ronald McDonald house are not too happy with the expansion either because children's is encroaching on some of their planned expansion space.

 

Completely false.  Children's sold/gave them the land for their most recent expansion back around 2007.  Children's has owned the adjoining properties since 2008. 

 

Not quite completely false. I shouldn't have said unhappy, but slightly annoyed was probably better. I wont go into details since they are more insider comments and they would never make a public stink about it, but there were some people in leadership there slightly annoyed with Children's

Wetterich really hit the nail on the head here. The bulk of the commentary is behind a paywall, unfortunately.

 

Lessons from the aftermath of the Children’s Hospital vote: COMMENTARY

 

Aug 10, 2017, 2:47pm EDT Updated Aug 10, 2017, 3:26pm EDT

 

By Chris Wetterich

 

Avondale Community Council President Patricia Milton was in front of microphones twice this week to talk about two potentially transformative projects in Avondale – the Interstate 71/Martin Luther King Jr. Drive interchange and the expansion of Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center.

 

The interchange, Milton said, could bring a measure of economic justice to her impoverished neighborhood. Planners listened and implemented some of Avondale’s suggestions. But when it came to Children’s, Milton continued her excoriation of the project, portraying a situation where the neighborhood was given a nice pat on the head while the hospital plunged forward with plans to demolish homes and erect a new patient tower and parking garage.

He pretty much blast Simpson and Young in this as amateurish not ready for prime time here. He is very sympathetic to Avondale's concerns and very deferential to the concerns in the community weighing them against the benefit to the region. He almost appears to blast Simpson and Young not for holding up the deal, but more for doing such a poor job of trying to protect the interests of Avondale residents by not going about their concerns through the right channels to extract better benefits for Avondale.

I question the reality of Avondale as a "Community." It is a little pocket of poor, non-diverse crime ridden population...

 

The it's the 4th largest neighborhood in the city with 20,000 people.

 

Actually, it has 8600 people. and 1.4 square miles. Tiny.

 

For some unknown reason, the US Census includes most of Census tracks 66 and 68 which are north of Glenwood and Lexington which most everyone including the City of Cincinnati agree is the northern boundary.

Glenwood is the boundary if you count North Avondale as separate.  That being the case, it's still just as big in land area as Mt. Lookout, Walnut Hills, Camp Washington, Roselawn, or Pleasant Ridge.  That's also more people than live in Indian Hill or Milford, and the same as Wyoming, or Ft. Mitchell.  So to belittle the residents and neighborhood as a whole as "tiny" and "not a community" is really quite offensive. 

12,466 according to the city: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/linkservid/B470BBBE-9866-80BE-F6BB6C36AE290FB0/showMeta/0/

12,466 according to the city: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/linkservid/B470BBBE-9866-80BE-F6BB6C36AE290FB0/showMeta/0/

 

Yea, that is the incorrect boundary version from the US Census.

12,466 according to the city: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/linkservid/B470BBBE-9866-80BE-F6BB6C36AE290FB0/showMeta/0/

 

Yea, that is the incorrect boundary version from the US Census.

 

Well, that is how the City of Cincinnati's Planning Department measures it. Maybe you can let them know so they can produce some more accurate statistics.

unknown reason, the US Census includes most of Census tracks 66 and 68 which are north of Glenwood and Lexington which most everyone including the City of Cincinnati agree is the northern boundary.

 

Actually if you look at the map John linked to, which is the official map from the City of Cincinnati, the official boundary between Avondale and North Avondale is Clinton Springs / Marion.

 

Here is their map for North Avondale, which has a population of 3,229.

12,466 according to the city: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/linkservid/B470BBBE-9866-80BE-F6BB6C36AE290FB0/showMeta/0/

 

Yea, that is the incorrect boundary version from the US Census.

 

 

Well, that is how the City of Cincinnati's Planning Department measures it. Maybe you can let them know so they can produce some more accurate statistics.

 

 

I think you should tell the "City" (haha) of Avondale that they just annexed some property they didn't know they had. Maybe that will calm their restlessness over Childrens Hospital taking the properties on the south end.

12,466 according to the city: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/linkservid/B470BBBE-9866-80BE-F6BB6C36AE290FB0/showMeta/0/

 

Yea, that is the incorrect boundary version from the US Census.

 

 

Well, that is how the City of Cincinnati's Planning Department measures it. Maybe you can let them know so they can produce some more accurate statistics.

 

 

I think you should tell the "City" (haha) of Avondale that they just annexed some property they didn't know they had. Maybe that will calm their restlessness over Childrens Hospital taking the properties on the south end.

 

Do you mean city neighborhood? If not when did Avondale become its own incorporated place? I was unaware of their powers to annex.

Today's Cincinnati Edition on WVXU "discussed" the hospital issue today for about half of its 60-minute program.  Jason Williams from The Enquirer really had no idea what he was talking about, but felt compelled to talk anyway, as usual.  The guy has like zero sense for 3-D space or the history of that area.  He admitted he had never driven around the area until "yesterday".  The guy simply does not have a curious or skeptical mind. 

 

 

12,466 according to the city: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/linkservid/B470BBBE-9866-80BE-F6BB6C36AE290FB0/showMeta/0/

 

Yea, that is the incorrect boundary version from the US Census.

 

 

Well, that is how the City of Cincinnati's Planning Department measures it. Maybe you can let them know so they can produce some more accurate statistics.

 

 

I think you should tell the "City" (haha) of Avondale that they just annexed some property they didn't know they had. Maybe that will calm their restlessness over Childrens Hospital taking the properties on the south end.

 

Do you mean city neighborhood? If not when did Avondale become its own incorporated place? I was unaware of their powers to annex.

 

I was mocking the claim of Avondale on their website that they are the "City of Avondale." Embarrassing. It like graduating from Withrow University High School.

Crucial Uptown redevelopment project moves forward

 

 

A planned development project that would be a critical piece of Uptown’s redevelopment near the new interchange at Martin Luther King Drive and Interstate 71 continues to move forward, albeit at a slower pace than the parties involved would like.

 

Last week, Cincinnati City Planning Commission voted 5-1 in favor of approving an option to purchase city-owned and controlled property at the northeast quadrant of Martin Luther King Drive and Reading Road for MLK Investors I LLC, a team that consists of Neyer Properties, Kulkarni Properties and other partners.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/09/07/crucial-uptown-redevelopment-project-moves-forward.html

^Cranley's boys rockin' & rollin'.