August 28, 201311 yr Looking forward to 200 new housing units on Ludlow and the reuse of the historic Cox building
August 30, 201311 yr Here's the entrance to the building in 2011. There had been hopes of renovating and saving. Hope some of the terra cotta elements were saved.
August 30, 201311 yr What a damn shame. I'm all for new development of any kind but to destroy a beautiful historic building like the Schwind is just shameful.
August 30, 201311 yr What a damn shame. I'm all for new development of any kind but to destroy a beautiful historic building like the Schwind is just shameful. I agree with you. Just the same, I wish there had been some public movement to at least protest this and look at alternatives to simply razing as the easiest thing.
September 4, 201311 yr It's a travesty that a historic 100 year old 12 story building got demolished. SMH. ....esp one that was already used for housing. Looking forward to 200 new housing units on Ludlow and the reuse of the historic Cox building yay.
September 4, 201311 yr I think Dayton city planners found out about Brasilia (from-scratch city built in the jungle in Brazil, ultra modernist architecture) in the 1960s and decided that Dayton should be an ethno-briar manufacturing belt version of Brasilia. Most of the public architecture in Dayton looks like sets from dystopian SF movies from the late 70s.
September 5, 201311 yr Oh, and 3 years later, still little work done on "The Heights" in Huber. Ampitheatre and Aquatic Center being the only 2 things. I guess no big hurry, right? :-D
September 5, 201311 yr ^ ...or a beer at their new co-op brewpub. Absolutely... a wonderful concept realized.
September 19, 201311 yr ^Yep. The Heights is ill-conceived. Power Centers are decidedly not the way to go with suburban development. Who can name even one retail chain which is succeeding and rapidly expanding with a power center model? None exist. However, I would argue that a lifestyle center with a lower price point than the Greene would do well there, especially if it was heavy on apartment and townhouse style housing, had maybe one or two larger Class A office spaces, and integrated itself with the YMCA facility, Carriage Hill metropark, and the Carriage Trails development. On another topic, the Dayton library is going to buy the Hauer Music building downtown. Not sure how to feel about this yet - I'm hoping Hauer chooses to stay downtown after relocation. I can see how the site would mesh well with the current library location, so not a complete surprise, but it did catch me off-guard that Hauer was considering relocation. Here's more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/local/dayton-metro-libray-plants-to-buy-hauer-music-buil/nZ2DH/
November 4, 201311 yr I'll change the name of this thread when the ID of the new user is revealed...... Posted: 8:56 p.m. Friday, Nov. 1, 2013 ‘The home run we’ve been looking for’ By Steve Bennish and Thomas Gnau Staff Writer Moraine — Plans months in development were unveiled Friday to bring a massive industrial operation with up to 800 employees to the former General Motors assembly plant in Moraine. The city of Moraine filed an application for a $700,000 grant from Montgomery County to help fund a $250 million project at the 4.2 million-square-foot plant off Ohio 741 and Stroop Road. A tenant would use 1.4 million square feet of that space and employ between 630 and 800 people, according to the application for a county Economic Development/Government Equity, or ED/GE, grant that Moraine city officials filed with the county Friday. The tenant was not identified. READ MORE AT: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/the-home-run-weve-been-looking-for/nbfct/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 4, 201311 yr Hopefully this is excellent news, but I would not get excited yet..... We are in direct competition for the facility with Michigan: http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2013/11/01/gm-plant-set-for-up-to-800-new-jobs.html
November 15, 201311 yr Dayton Retail Hub: City looking to renovate downtown building The city of Dayton is working with a developer to convert the old H.D. Supply building at the corner of Wayne Avenue and Fifth Street into a mixed-use residential and retail project. If the developer finds the project feasible and goes through with it, the development could provide more downtown housing and offer more viable retail spaces near the Oregon District. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/print-edition/2013/11/15/dayton-retail-hub-city-looking-to.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
November 20, 201311 yr http://www.whio.com/news/news/work-stopped-after-wrong-part-of-dayton-daily-news/nbyGJ/ Work stopped after wrong part of Dayton Daily News building torn down That is a giant fuckup on the contractors part. I mean, really? I used to work at the bookstore across the street when I was in high chool. What a mess. Was this an "accident"? I believe that was a nationally registered landmark building.
November 20, 201311 yr http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/work-stopped-after-wrong-part-of-dayton-daily-news/nbyGJ/ Work stopped after wrong part of Dayton Daily News building torn down This will be a loss for Dayton. ***posted this in another thread before I saw this one.***
November 20, 201311 yr Beautiful building. I'll pour one out for your loss, Dayton. Nobody is stupid enough to believe that was a mistake. The article says there is a $500 fine from the city. :roll:
November 21, 201311 yr :-( This is just terrible. A building was accidentally partially demo'd in part of 3CDC's Mercer Commons development, but they were able to completely rebuild, if I remember correctly. Perhaps a similar situation will play out here as well.
November 21, 201311 yr Absolutely terrible. It can be repaired though, so it better be done correctly. Historic terra cotta facades are reconstructed here in Chicago all the time because over a century they do eventually fall apart. As shocked as I am, I know it can be reversed.
November 21, 201311 yr True, NorthAndre, and remarkable things can still be built from scratch, as here in New York, but will they just opt for the easy way out? "Aww... it's already have destroyed, just let 'er go; What's the diff?". That's what I fear. People really need to get angry and vocal. I have seen many comments of outrage on this posted to Facebook and the Daily News site. It's a start. Otherwise, preserving this as a partial ruin (with the remainder being glass and steel) might make a fine comment on preservation and the stupidity surrounding its undoing.
November 22, 201311 yr It unfortunately looks like it cannot be repaired. I did a walk around this evening and noted the following: 1. It was the addition to the original Dayton Daily News building that was partially demolished. It is still faced with terra cotta and ornate. 2. The rear 1/3, with the two-story terra cotta facade, has begun to lean back. It will most likely collapse or partially collapse. 3. The other 2/3 has been substantially demolished down to the first floor and cannot be repaired. 4. Substantial removal of the basement foundation and excavation has been performed out to the street. 5. It was a pretty clean cut between the original and addition. They were most likely going to only tear down the addition. 6. Printing presses, etc. was left inside the addition :( I'm not sure how this was accidental, given that they did a careful cleaning around the entire original Dayton Daily News building and annex. And then started work on the annex after all of that time? I'll post photos in the morning.
November 22, 201311 yr More awful news! I really doubt they were acting without intention when they started the extra demolition.
November 22, 201311 yr If the structure is compromised, the remaining terra cotta should be removed and remounted onto the new structure with replacement pieces. This was certainly no accident. Perhaps the demolition contractor was given plans and a contract to demolish everything, but that would be the fault of the developer, who clearly knew the landmark commission's decision.
November 22, 201311 yr I'll post the rest up when I'm at work. There really isn't much of anything supporting the upper terra cotta pieces. And someone else asked - is anything being salvaged with any of the demolitions? No. Nothing.
November 22, 201311 yr Extremely depressing: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,28850.0.html
November 22, 201311 yr Man this is sad...this is post-war Germany stuff on how to repair destruction this bad :(
November 22, 201311 yr Well, I guessed they demolished the correct part. Only the 1908 section of the building will remain, and the particular portion of the building which they put a hole in was built in 1922... http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2013/11/22/downtown-demolition-to-continue-monday.html?page=2 Also - about those pictures I promised earlier... Once I get Flickr figured out they will be up!
November 23, 201311 yr Well, I guessed they demolished the correct part. Only the 1908 section of the building will remain, and the particular portion of the building which they put a hole in was built in 1922... Except that the 1922 facade was supposed to remain (per the Landmarks Commission), but the city failed to uphold this in the demolition permitting process. The city's mistake was the developer's opportunity. The developer knew all along that the 1922 facade was to remain in place.
November 25, 201311 yr New Springfield hotel sign of more demand Clark County businesses are fueling need for additional rooms. A recent report showed occupancy rates for October have risen almost 19 percent percent compared to the same month last year. Occupancy rates for the year rose more than 12 percent compared to 2012. http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/news/local/new-springfield-hotel-sign-of-more-demand/nb3mS/
December 2, 201311 yr Some good news in Dayton! http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2013/12/02/caresource-said-to-be-considering.html?page=all 250k of office space to be used downtown for this project. I'm torn between hoping they utilize one of the towers downtown with this kind of space (40 W. Fourth and the former Mead Tower are the two top candidates) or building new, at somewhere like the Patterson HS site. Either way, this is great!
December 3, 201311 yr Apparently this is going to not be a re-use project, according to the DDN. Caresource is looking for space to build a new 250k building... http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/news/local/55m-project-proposed-in-dayton/nb889/ (behind the paywall)
December 7, 201311 yr Bummer... http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/business/economy/hauer-music-to-relocate-to-former-krispins-locatio/ncD2T/
December 17, 201311 yr Not sure where to post this as it's kinda road related, air related & business & military related. anyway, Blee Road, north of the Springfield airport, needs to be moved to keep the airport viable for military operations. In maintaining this capability hundreds of jobs are promised but kinda dubious. http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/springfield-news/450450-new-jobs-could-come-to-springfield-airport-1325816.html The road is immediately north of he end of a runway and, as a kid, it was fun to park there & watch fighter jets take off maybe 20 ft above you. Now that anybody with a camera is a suspected terrorist, tho, I guess that's a no-no nowadays. ROAD MOVING FINISHED EARLY, UNDER BUDGET http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/news/local/base-road-comes-in-early-under-budget/ncMZC/
December 31, 201311 yr Well THIS is great news :clap: Downtown Dayton building approved for historic tax credits A downtown Dayton redevelopment project was approved for historic preservation tax credits earlier this month. The Centre City Building project, which would convert the nearly 100-year-old building into residential use, received $2.9 million in tax credits. The total cost of the project is expected to be $18 million. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2013/12/31/downtown-dayton-building-approved-for.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 31, 201311 yr ^That is great news! I couldn't find much on the developer, Karim Haber. But I would be really interested in seeing the renderings for this conversion... exciting stuff!
January 9, 201411 yr Also would like to see renderings from the MidPark project too. The DDN is reporting today that it will start construction this spring! http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/business/mid-park-project-to-start-this-spring/ncgXY/ Here's some background on what is being proposed from 2009: http://www.scribd.com/doc/23753577/Greater-Downtown-Dayton-Plan-CityWide-Development-Corporation-MidPark-Development-Recommendations And Esrati's commentary http://esrati.com/midpark-part-of-someones-plan/10018/ http://esrati.com/writing-off-the-big-picture-the-midpark-silver-bullet/3354/
January 20, 201411 yr People are calling Austin Landing a failure. When I asked why they said that, nobody can name a reason.
January 20, 201411 yr ^My understanding was always that the Austin interchance was about business (office, industrial, etc.), not retail development that would just suck from the Dayton Mall area and not generate true job creation. While there has been some non-retail development, much of the activity to date and a good portion of the available land has been retail.
February 11, 201411 yr Springfield News Sun to move to old Credit Life building. Old News Sun building to be redeveloped. Cox Media Group Ohio signed a five-year lease for its new space on the 10th floor at One South Limestone. The offices will be home to the news and sales staff who represent the News-Sun, WHIO TV and radio, Springfield B2B magazine and the company’s digital sites. Argeri Lagos said his company’s goal is to redevelop the News-Sun Building, which he said has been kept in “first-class condition,” and to bring more jobs downtown. http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/news/local/news-sun-building-sale-finalized/ndKKJ/
February 12, 201411 yr People are calling Austin Landing a failure. When I asked why they said that, nobody can name a reason. Sorry, just looking through this thread with today's update (Great news on the News-Sun building!) and saw this above. Some reasons why Austin Blvd. have been a failure so far are 1. It's very retail-heavy. It was supposed to be nearly 100% commercial and entertainment, now as far as land area goes it is about 40% retail 2. Few NEW jobs created. Most were just poached from somewhere else in the Miami valley. 3. Development is not progressing as quickly as expected (the benchmark in this case is Union Centre) 4. The entertainment aspect is gone (not that I'm complaining - Dayton has too many suburban entertainment venues already) 5. The exit is more of a local draw rather than a regional (Cin-Day) draw. Again the benchmark here is Union Centre.
February 15, 201411 yr Piqua unveils $10 million downtown riverfront development plan The city of Piqua has unveiled plans for a major redevelopment to transform its riverfront space downtown. The plan calls for the demolition or redevelopment of several buildings along the city’s riverfront and park improvements to transform several blocks around Main and Water streets into a more walkable space. Tentative plans call for a new amphitheater, park space and more avenues for walking, biking and possibly boating. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/print-edition/2014/02/14/piqua-unveils-10-million-downtown.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 17, 201411 yr I will say, suburban Dayton is stepping up their masterplans as of late. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 23, 201411 yr People are calling Austin Landing a failure. When I asked why they said that, nobody can name a reason. Sorry, just looking through this thread with today's update (Great news on the News-Sun building!) and saw this above. Some reasons why Austin Blvd. have been a failure so far are 1. It's very retail-heavy. It was supposed to be nearly 100% commercial and entertainment, now as far as land area goes it is about 40% retail 2. Few NEW jobs created. Most were just poached from somewhere else in the Miami valley. 3. Development is not progressing as quickly as expected (the benchmark in this case is Union Centre) 4. The entertainment aspect is gone (not that I'm complaining - Dayton has too many suburban entertainment venues already) 5. The exit is more of a local draw rather than a regional (Cin-Day) draw. Again the benchmark here is Union Centre. Well, obviously, the Dayton Mall is staying put. That big investment in the outdoor mall proves they will fight the good fight and probably still be there another 50 years. I still think, somewhere down the line, there will be a mall for Springboro. Maybe something like the Greene. I just don't see people wanting to travel all the time, and the population explosion there would certainly warrant one.
April 3, 201411 yr Springfield seeking to add pocket parks As part of its effort to meet federal regulations on public storm sewer systems, the city of Springfield is working to convert vacant lots into pocket parks with rain gardens. http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/oh%20crime/2014/04/02/serial-burglar-sentenced-to-9-years/7218097/
May 6, 201411 yr Update on Midpark Development by MVH and Coco's: http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2014/05/06/mixed-use-project-to-offer-new-office-space-option.html?page=all 39,000 sq. ft. commercial and 72,900 sq. ft. residential over 10 acres.... The building floorplates are only the 39k sq. ft commercial, which is just under an acre of area. This sounds very low density. So I'm concerned. Does that mean large seas of parking lots? Maybe you all can provide some insight on how a development with buildings on only 1/10 of its total surface area is supposed to feel urban?
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