June 9, 20178 yr Oakland, CA is the most anti- new stadium city in the country and before they lost the Raiders, even they offered nearly $350M in land and infrastructure. Now there's a good chance Oakland won't have any major sports teams. The city/county need to treat the stadium like just another development and all the resources that can be put together for that. I think timing will be a big problem. FCC (and MLS) want the stadium funding sorted out soon, like now. I can't see Cranley, council, and the county agreeing to anything before the Nov. election. FCC may offer up some funding ideas June 12.
June 9, 20178 yr I think the public money going into the stadium is going to be mostly street improvements, sewer and lighting improvements in the area as opposed to the actual build. Also, I sense it will be Stargell site which would probably mean the school district would give the land to the team in exchange for another property somewhere else in the city and covenants by the team to allow HS time to play and use the field. All and all that could add up to the $100 million gap they are talking about I know Withrow HS has a soccer team, but do all of the CPS schools? The new stadium could be a great way to start up programs at all CPS schools at all age levels similar to how the Blue Jackets arriving in Columbus really got high school hockey going in that area.
June 12, 20178 yr Stumbled upon this article from last week on nextSTL, MLS Expansion: St. Louis vs. Cincinnati, and this comment caught my eye: I currently work in Cinci and my employer routinely sends out company-wide emails offering 100 free tickets for FC Cinci games. When those tickets run out, they magically have 100 more. This happens at many other large employers in Cinci. The "grassroots" support is corporate astroturf that will evaporate once tickets cost more than $10 (see awful Reds attendance and empty sections at Bengal playoff games.) Anyone who has avoided the koolaid can see that FC Cinci is a handout to the Lindner family at the expense of the rust belt's poorest large city. Now I have a friend who lives in Columbus that has mentioned the same thing to me before, i.e. free tickets. I counter with the fact at least 10k season tickets have been sold. Not to mention that as a season ticket holder (of Zone 1 seats), 4 of the 5 games I was unable to attend I was able to sell the tickets on StubHub (with 3 of those 4 at a profit). And at my work the only FCC offers we get are the occasional 15% off. Friends that work at P&G, CinBell, Convergys, Duke, Paycor have never seen a free ticket offer either. Have any of you? "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
June 12, 20178 yr Stumbled upon this article from last week on nextSTL, MLS Expansion: St. Louis vs. Cincinnati, and this comment caught my eye: I currently work in Cinci and my employer routinely sends out company-wide emails offering 100 free tickets for FC Cinci games. When those tickets run out, they magically have 100 more. This happens at many other large employers in Cinci. The "grassroots" support is corporate astroturf that will evaporate once tickets cost more than $10 (see awful Reds attendance and empty sections at Bengal playoff games.) Anyone who has avoided the koolaid can see that FC Cinci is a handout to the Lindner family at the expense of the rust belt's poorest large city. Now I have a friend who lives in Columbus that has mentioned the same thing to me before, i.e. free tickets. I counter with the fact at least 10k season tickets have been sold. Not to mention that as a season ticket holder (of Zone 1 seats), 4 of the 5 games I was unable to attend I was able to sell the tickets on StubHub (with 3 of those 4 at a profit). And at my work the only FCC offers we get are the occasional 15% off. Friends that work at P&G, CinBell, Convergys, Duke, Paycor have never seen a free ticket offer either. Have any of you? If the dude is spelling it as Cinci, he's lying.
June 12, 20178 yr Someone from St. Louis is calling Cincinnati the "poorest Rust Belt city"? Lol! Other then Detroit, St. Louis is probably the most run down, destroyed city in the country. The entire north side of the city is a disaster unlike anything in Cincinnati. They're probably just butt hurt because they lost the Rams.
June 12, 20178 yr I have seen/heard this 'free ticket' argument as well and not sure where it comes from. I work for a fortune 500 company based in Downtown Cincinnati and have never been offered free tickets through work, nor have any of my friends/family who work in the city.
June 12, 20178 yr Any FCC sponsor or advertiser probably gets tickets for games. Just like any other prof. sport. Whether those are counted as "sold" IDK. I do noticed on twitter, when FCC post attendance during games they started adding "Paid Attendance".
June 12, 20178 yr Note that the post from the St. Louis guy was made during the reds 13-1 rout of the Cardinals (at 9:03PM so right in the midst of the trouncing). He was probably just really salty at the time.
June 12, 20178 yr If the dude is spelling it as Cinci, he's lying. I prefer this spelling to Cincy any day of the week. The 'y' is beyond kitschy. edit: spelling
June 12, 20178 yr If the dude is spelling it as Cinci, he's lying. I prefer this spelled to Cincy any day of the week. The 'y' is beyond kitschy. Florence, Ya'll!
June 12, 20178 yr If the dude is spelling it as Cinci, he's lying. I prefer this spelling to Cincy any day of the week. The 'y' is beyond kitschy. edit: spelling I normally would agree but it's one of those words that you get used to, much like Philly. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 12, 20178 yr Oh man! WLWT WAS live streaming the event, despite the shaming by the host to not do that and to keep the info for season ticket holders right now but they must have been found out. Live feed cut off before anything interesting happened. They did say that the stadium was initially designed for a certain site, but they "liked it so much" they did follow up renders of the same stadium design for the other two sites. Looks like we may see a look tonight, but nothing final on the location yet.
June 12, 20178 yr Wow! not conservative at all. Looks like Newport in the second view and the West End in the first. Forth view is on a barge floating down the ohio in case a land based location cant be found (I kid).
June 12, 20178 yr With such public opposition to stadium taxes (and rightly so imo), it makes sense to let KY fund this one.
June 13, 20178 yr Special tax for Trump voters required... Was this zinger a moonloop original or something someone from FC came up with?
June 13, 20178 yr My guess is that all graphics you see, including the blue and orange tint of the stadium canopy, are all projection and lighting effects. I really hope so anyway... a blue or orange canopy like that wouldn't look good anywhere/would fall out of fashion.
June 13, 20178 yr Putting banners or team signage on the Roebling bridge?! Hell no!!! I think this was to signify that it's easy to get from "Cincinnati" to the Newport site. 1+ mile walk... "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
June 13, 20178 yr This was a "read between the lines" PR stunt to detract people from thinking it's going to be in the west end. It has the media now focusing on Newport while they get their ducks in order to close on the west end without a media backlash/neighborhood disagreement. If it fails, Newport will be it and no loss
June 13, 20178 yr I think it would be a big mistake to do this in Newport. Aside from it being in Newport, this location is pretty ugly -- down in a bowl cut off from the water by the levee. It is of course possible that FC really wants the West End site (or another site) but is trotting this out to keep speculators away. They could also be proposing this to keep COAST, etc., on the sidelines during a council/mayoral election year.
June 13, 20178 yr ^it looks like the plaza/fan zone's elevation meets the top of the flood wall. It's hard to tell what the rest of the site would be like, but there would be some nice views from that end. The site is very ugly right now, but I'm thinking this project is big enough that it would be basically unrecognizable at completion.
June 13, 20178 yr Here they come . . . This one pic isn't Newport at least. The Italianate on the right is on central ave here. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Central+Ave,+Cincinnati,+OH/@39.1110724,-84.5220562,3a,90y,13.66h,91.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN3B8ZouJn3vxTJ_4hwg76g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b6aa6757a445:0x40eddc3bce9d883f!8m2!3d39.1087285!4d-84.5214836!6m1!1e1 Very happy to see some thought into this location and with working using existing historic assets on the site. Wonder who owns this building now?
June 13, 20178 yr Didn't Jake have info or a realtor ad on a building for sale in this area of the West end at a ridiculous price recently? Perhaps they are trying to quell speculation.....as i speculate.
June 13, 20178 yr I am coming around to Newport in the Ovation area. It would serve as a catalyst for that project and really help make that area more walkable. Although I prefer the West End. I am starting to think Newport may be the winner given the money involved to fund it. If Bill Butler is a key investor in the team/project, he will likely have enough influence to steer it to his project.
June 13, 20178 yr The site plan for the Newport option is interesting, and shows altering the portion of 3rd street that was recently built between the new traffic circles, which is a state funded project that hasnt finished yet. I feel like this implies either the state is involved, or this plan was thrown together quickly and since the aerial shot doesn't show the street grid lining up at all with the existing, I'm inclined to think the latter. I really like the site plan though especially the raised plaza area on the levee wall. It may be true that Newport is being used as a bargaining chip, but we saw what happened with the aquarium, and this isn't bad for a "fall back" location at all. I would love to see a similar plan of the west end site to see how they are squeezing it into the street grid, because I still feel like that option is 1a, with Newport being 1b. Was Oakley even presented as option 3?
June 13, 20178 yr Didn't Jake have info or a realtor ad on a building for sale in this area of the West end at a ridiculous price recently? Perhaps they are trying to quell speculation.....as i speculate. Urban Fast Forward is trying to sell two buildings on Central Ave. immediately across from the Taft Stadium, but there are no MLS listings or info on their website. You might be thinking of the $900k sale of an ordinary house in Walnut Hills near the MLK interchange. I heard that from a legit source but I haven't been able to find the sale on the county's site. I'm not sure which street it was on.
June 13, 20178 yr Didn't Jake have info or a realtor ad on a building for sale in this area of the West end at a ridiculous price recently? Perhaps they are trying to quell speculation.....as i speculate. Urban Fast Forward is trying to sell two buildings on Central Ave. immediately across from the Taft Stadium, but there are no MLS listings or info on their website. You might be thinking of the $900k sale of an ordinary house in Walnut Hills near the MLK interchange. I heard that from a legit source but I haven't been able to find the sale on the county's site. I'm not sure which street it was on. Found the building I was thinking of. It is a block north but the crazy price makes me think they are in the know, or clueless about real estate. One of those. Not sure where it was in the fourm or who brought it up though. I'll stick to FC from here on out in this topic but this popped into my head when i saw the render. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/514-Oliver-St_Cincinnati_OH_45214_M32274-66761 I think the price was even higher originally. Still unsold at a half mil.
June 13, 20178 yr What is the vision for the "auditorium"? Visiting lecturers? Also the doomed "Riverchase" apartments have a lot of units -- maybe 100. So after the dust settles Newport might not have added any net residents.
June 13, 20178 yr Didn't Jake have info or a realtor ad on a building for sale in this area of the West end at a ridiculous price recently? Perhaps they are trying to quell speculation.....as i speculate. Urban Fast Forward is trying to sell two buildings on Central Ave. immediately across from the Taft Stadium, but there are no MLS listings or info on their website. You might be thinking of the $900k sale of an ordinary house in Walnut Hills near the MLK interchange. I heard that from a legit source but I haven't been able to find the sale on the county's site. I'm not sure which street it was on. Found the building I was thinking of. It is a block north but the crazy price makes me think they are in the know, or clueless about real estate. One of those. Not sure where it was in the fourm or who brought it up though. I'll stick to FC from here on out in this topic but this popped into my head when i saw the render. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/514-Oliver-St_Cincinnati_OH_45214_M32274-66761 I think the price was even higher originally. Still unsold at a half mil. I have a hard time believing that thing is going to get much more than $100k. About a month ago I scrolled through every single property in the west end on the auditor's website and nothing of note has changed hands in 2017. That doesn't mean people aren't negotiating though. That's the tricky thing about real estate -- some cards must be played face up by law, but you have no way of knowing if entities are negotiating sales of non-listed properties.
June 13, 20178 yr Ha honestly those are cool looking renderings but would think it would look horrible in the West End. Get something a bit more classy to fit into a historic neighborhood if that is what they are trying to do. I could care less if it's in Newport, there is literally nothing around there. I just don't see how this fits in the West End
June 13, 20178 yr Ha honestly those are cool looking renderings but would think it would look horrible in the West End. Get something a bit more classy to fit into a historic neighborhood if that is what they are trying to do. I could care less if it's in Newport, there is literally nothing around there. I just don't see how this fits in the West End With the AA highway bounding the site, it's going to be kinda cut off from a pedestrian standpoint aside from directly from the Levee/Taylor Southgate
June 13, 20178 yr Here they come . . . This one pic isn't Newport at least. The Italianate on the right is on central ave here. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Central+Ave,+Cincinnati,+OH/@39.1110724,-84.5220562,3a,90y,13.66h,91.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN3B8ZouJn3vxTJ_4hwg76g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b6aa6757a445:0x40eddc3bce9d883f!8m2!3d39.1087285!4d-84.5214836!6m1!1e1 Very happy to see some thought into this location and with working using existing historic assets on the site. Wonder who owns this building now? That is not Central Ave. That is a reversed photo of the west side of Vine Street looking from the building with Switch and Incredible Creations north. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1086698,-84.5148876,3a,75y,195.65h,113.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4JxgajYOtGz9XNdL8HIv5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Clever clever... “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
June 13, 20178 yr ...I just, have so many questions about these renderings... I really like the podium, but what is this like futuristic columns and plastic looking roofline and all this? Why can't it be a solid, Nippert like one way or the other and wouldn't that actually save money? You can fit it into Cincinnati FC just fine but please don't deck out the roof of the stadium orange, it just does not fit into the neighborhood at all IMO
June 13, 20178 yr "The exterior canopy of the stadium is made of a new material called ETFE, which Meis described as a pillowy material that is capable of having LED lighting run through it that would allow the projection of color, images and even video onto the facade of the building."
June 13, 20178 yr Here they come . . . This one pic isn't Newport at least. The Italianate on the right is on central ave here. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Central+Ave,+Cincinnati,+OH/@39.1110724,-84.5220562,3a,90y,13.66h,91.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN3B8ZouJn3vxTJ_4hwg76g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b6aa6757a445:0x40eddc3bce9d883f!8m2!3d39.1087285!4d-84.5214836!6m1!1e1 Very happy to see some thought into this location and with working using existing historic assets on the site. Wonder who owns this building now? That is not Central Ave. That is a reversed photo of the west side of Vine Street looking from the building with Switch and Incredible Creations north. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1086698,-84.5148876,3a,75y,195.65h,113.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4JxgajYOtGz9XNdL8HIv5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Clever clever... Haha you are right!! I was surprised that they took the time to render the rest of the street intact and remodeled. Work smarter not harder indeed.
June 13, 20178 yr Author The material would be mostly white, but could light up to different colors during events. Trying to "fit in" a stadium design with the surroundings would be a disaster IMO. It would never succeed and would probably look like a cheap suburban building. I would rather have something eye-catching and modern whether it's in the West End or Newport.
June 13, 20178 yr What is the vision for the "auditorium"? Visiting lecturers? The original plans called for a large dinner theater: http://www.newportriverfront.com/proposal_page8.asp Might be time to update that plan a little. www.cincinnatiideas.com
June 13, 20178 yr The material would be mostly white, but could light up to different colors during events. Trying to "fit in" a stadium design with the surroundings would be a disaster IMO. It would never succeed and would probably look like a cheap suburban building. I would rather have something eye-catching and modern whether it's in the West End or Newport. The best way to have new construction "fit in" is to use high quality materials and good detailing. It is difficult to imagine any contemporary stadium being contextual, but I see this as one huge festival tent. I like what ETFE does and can do; the lightness and softness, the opportunity for lighting and projection. I like how MEIS/MSA has a reveal around the super columns; sort of expressing this cleat coming down in the corner. I think the plinth is key for the urban context... it will give folks a sense of arrival at a monument, of sorts. There are some elements that could really contribute to the vitality of the street on the West End site when the design is explored for site specific application. It would be great to see team shops, concessions, bars all engaging with the street and the stadium. I'd love for this facility, on the West End site, to be a year round venue. All said... this is barely even at a schematic design level (a site response is needed for this to be considered schematic, and a building that can be plopped in 1 of 3 very different locations is NOT site specific.) When/if this building is constructed... it will look very, very, very different from what it does now.
June 13, 20178 yr Would KY finally update the 471S Route 8 exit (5) if Newport wins the bid? The rush hour/weekend (Levee) traffic on the Daniel Carter Beard bridge produces many accidents. Can't see inbound access via Covington being much better... "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
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