February 22, 20223 yr Want to know what’s an even worse idea than passenger hyperloop? Freight hyperloop. But that’s not stopping these folks: Virgin Hyperloop axes half its staff in focus on freight https://www.ft.com/content/d87f77bd-0a0a-4512-b983-197f184f5352 Virgin Hyperloop has made almost half of its staff redundant as the company developing the high-speed transport system pivots from passenger travel to freight. The US company said that 111 people were laid off on Friday, as the group focuses on delivering a cargo version of the experimental transport, which propels pods through low-pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670mph. Two of the people who lost their jobs told the Financial Times that the lay-offs were announced via video conference. One said the scale of the cuts was “definitely not expected”. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
February 22, 20223 yr It's about time the reality of hyperloop settles in. The article below goes into the evolution of "hyperloop technology". The roots of it go back 200-years. The vacuum tube/maglev concept goes back 100 years. And so many people think Elon Musk is some kind of guru: https://www.businessinsider.com/history-hyperloop-pneumatic-tubes-as-transportation-2017-8#the-foodtubes-project-unveiled-in-2010-calls-for-a-similar-design-except-the-network-would-be-underground-and-would-carry-food-canisters-would-travel-up-to-60-miles-per-hour-in-the-system-which-would-cost-around-8-million-per-mile-to-build-in-the-united-kingdom-though-its-still-just-a-concept-10 Edited February 22, 20223 yr by gildone
February 22, 20223 yr Because it's not an economically or physically practical form of transportation, especially for people... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 19, 20222 yr Five years since Elon Musk claimed he received "verbal govt approval" to build an underground Hyperloop connecting NY-Philadelphia-Baltimore-DC. Two problems... 1) No one has ever been able to verify this claim, which now seems suspect at best (and did at the time) 2) Even if Mr. Musk had received such approval, his Boring Company bores at roughly 1 mile/week, at best. Given that the distance between New York and D.C. is some 240-250 miles, it would take the Boring Company some five years just to dig a narrow tunnel between those two cities. Very Stable Genius
August 10, 20222 yr On 7/19/2022 at 2:32 PM, GCrites80s said: "Verbal Government Approval" would be a good band name. Government Disapproval would be a good name for certain types of bands.
August 11, 20222 yr Musk admits hyperloop was a lie: "He (Musk) has a history of floating false solutions to the drawbacks of our over-reliance on cars that stifle efforts to give people other options. The Boring Company was supposed to solve traffic, not be the Las Vegas amusement ride it is now. As I’ve written in my book, Musk admitted (copied below) to his biographer Ashlee Vance that Hyperloop was all about trying to get legislators to cancel plans for high-speed rail in California—even though he had no plans to build it." "Several years ago, Musk said that public transit was “a pain in the ass” where you were surrounded by strangers, including possible serial killers, to justify his opposition. But the futures sold to us by Musk and many others in Silicon Valley didn’t just suit their personal preferences. They were designed to meet business needs, and were the cause of just as many problems as they claimed to solve—if not more." https://time.com/6203815/elon-musk-flaws-billionaire-visions/
August 11, 20222 yr I'm not sure why this is making the rounds now. Let's take a look. *click on hyperlink* It's coming from...2019? Very Stable Genius
August 12, 20222 yr Today is a big day in the history of the Hyperloop. Many people believe, falsely, that Elon Musk created the idea for the Hyperloop. You can check back in this thread to see why that's false. So why is today such an important day? As you can see in the bottom left, this is the *NINE YEAR* anniversary of Elon Musk publishing his Hyperloop "white paper." https://wallstreetinsanity.com/elon-musk-reveals-57-page-plan-for-hyperloop/ https://www.tesla.com/blog/hyperloop Quote According to the plan, the Hyperloop will enable passengers to travel at 800 miles per hour in aluminum pods. A passenger only system would cost $6 billion to create, versus $10 billion for a larger model that could transport vehicles. The Hyperloop would be able to maintain high speeds without losing friction by keeping the interior of the Hyperloop with low pressure. The Hyperloop would be constructed along much of California’s I-95 on elevated tubes on columns 50 to 100 yards apart. The vessel could also be built with solar panels, allowing it to generate electricity. Each capsule would hold 28 passengers and depart every thirty seconds during peak times. Musk estimates that the capsule should cost just $20 per each one-way ticket. Because he’s busy focusing on other things, he’s decided to release the plans as an open source. “I did commit to publishing a design and provide quite a detailed design [but] I don’t have any plan to execute because I must remain focused on SpaceX and Tesla,” he said. “If nothing happens for a few years, with that I mean maybe it could make sense to make the halfway path with Tesla involvement, but what I would say is you shouldn’t be speculative.” Consider Hyperloop One (Virgin Hyperloop) has abandoned all passenger transport for its Hyperloop. Re-read those cost figures Musk proposed (as well as 800 mph lmao). Not to mention...the California Loop (originally LA to SF, I believe) would all be built on elevated tubes. If you still think those specs will be hit in our lifetime, I think you've been #Musked. Very Stable Genius
August 12, 20222 yr Idk how people allowed themselves to be fooled by this. We have bullet trains in Asia and high speed rail in Europe. We have subways in our cities that can get you anywhere you need to be in New York. A hyperloop would solve nothing and make transit less efficient, but people still bought into it. And it was all a goal to make us even more car dependent, probably the most dangerous mode of transportation we have. I don't understand how we regulate the hell out of airline safety, but we bend over backwards to prevent any deviation from automobile travel. Just this week Anne Heche is pretty much brain dead after a car wreck, people are killed daily by DUI drivers, and the roads pretty much get shut down after any wreck for whatever reason. Yet we ignore it, because cars apperently give us "freedom"
August 12, 20222 yr 21 hours ago, DarkandStormy said: I'm not sure why this is making the rounds now. Let's take a look. *click on hyperlink* It's coming from...2019? How many times has this trick been used here in Columbus to keep us from getting rail? At least three: '80s monorail, SMRT and Hyperloop itself. Edited August 12, 20222 yr by GCrites80s
November 23, 20222 yr The "Hyperloop" (scam?) continues to attract investment (and gullible investors) https://www.topgear.com/car-news/future-tech/looks-theyre-still-persisting-hyperloop-thing
September 12, 20231 yr Here's an an interesting video summarizing the meager advancements (and setbacks) the various different companies trying to make hyperloop a reality have experienced in the past few years. Obviously the technology is still in a research phase (and may never leave it) but it's interesting to hear about the small progress that has been made. I'm rooting for these engineers to figure it out, but it's going to take a lot of time and a lot more of these meager advancements before the technology will be anything close to viable (and it's certainly not guaranteed).
September 12, 20231 yr the fact that he says the California HSR project has "since basically collapsed" makes me not trust this channel at all. I don't think we'll see any hyperloop system at any useful scale in my lifetime.
September 12, 20231 yr 20 minutes ago, ryanlammi said: the fact that he says the California HSR project has "since basically collapsed" makes me not trust this channel at all. I didn't even get that far—the clickbait title and his face in the preview image pandering to the YouTube algorithm dissuaded me.
September 12, 20231 yr 12 minutes ago, Gordon Bombay said: I didn't even get that far—the clickbait title and his face in the preview image pandering to the YouTube algorithm dissuaded me.
December 21, 20231 yr https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-21/hyperloop-one-to-shut-down-after-raising-millions-to-reinvent-transit Hyperloop One to Shut Down After Failing to Reinvent Transit Very Stable Genius
December 22, 20231 yr 17 hours ago, DarkandStormy said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-21/hyperloop-one-to-shut-down-after-raising-millions-to-reinvent-transit Hyperloop One to Shut Down After Failing to Reinvent Transit Similar article at Rolling Stone: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-hyperloop-tesla-1234934812/ Thank goodness too. Some of us knew it wasn't going to work. It was just a smokescreen Musk threw up to distract from the California HSR project. He admitted it. Now we can get back to reality and focus on fast trains.
December 24, 20231 yr Not just California's project. Trying to keep projects from happening here in Ohio as well.
December 26, 20231 yr On 12/24/2023 at 1:25 PM, GCrites said: Not just California's project. Trying to keep projects from happening here in Ohio as well. I think Ohio just got distracted by the glitz of hyperloop more than anything. Getting distracted by glitz is something Ohio has done before.
December 26, 20231 yr Right, most people get excited that they "picked us" since they don't realize that we always get picked for this kind of stuff.
October 13, 2024Oct 13 its not dead yet — Hyperloop’s not dead, apparently Netherlands-based Hardt Hyperloop sent a pod through 90 meters of a test tube. It didn't crack 20 miles per hour. BY MACK DEGEURIN POSTED ON SEP 10, 2024 more: https://www.popsci.com/technology/hyperloop-test/
March 23Mar 23 On 10/19/2020 at 1:16 PM, taestell said: Remember that Musk previously said that subways are an outdated idea, what cities really need is a Tesla Tunnel that will allow people to take their private automobile from one end of the city to the other. When people informed Musk that his tunnel would have a very low capacity and would get congested very easily, he called them "Subway Stalinists" and continued to push his free market solution. He claimed that Tesla is working on higher capacity vehicles that could travel through these tunnels -- but to my knowledge, we haven't seen any evidence that Tesla is actually working on building these. According to the article that @BigDipper 80 linked above, Musk promised that the Vegas tunnel would be able to transport 4,400 people/hour, but the solution he's delivered is only capable of transporting a maximum of 1,200 people/hour once it is fully built out. He's a snake oil salesman, plain and simple, and civic leaders keep believing him because he's supposedly a genius rich guy. Last week I attended the Adobe Summit conference in Las Vegas. The conference itself was at the Venetian Convention & Expo Center, and on Wednesday night they held a big concert/party at the Formula 1 Grand Prix Plaza about 1 mile away. To transport the conventioneers, there were a huge number of coach buses that kept circulating between the two locations, and they efficiently moved the huge initial rush of people in probably about 30-45 minutes. (I'm not sure how many people attended the event at Grand Prix Plaza, but the conference had about 14,000 attendees.) If a new extension of the Las Vegas Convention Center Loop was built between these two locations, it would have taken 11 hours and 40 minutes to transport 14,000 passengers using the max capacity (1,200 people/hour) of the current "rolling stock" (Tesla Model Ys). Even under the hypothetical max capacity of 4,400 people/hour, when the Boring Company reinvents buses, it would have taken over 3 hours. The Boring Company's loop is not serious transportation and it's a shame that the LVCVA has bought Musk's snake oil.
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