July 31, 20195 yr On 7/11/2019 at 10:24 PM, jmecklenborg said: The California High Speed Rail tracks to Anaheim are planned to run directly behind the building. Like, stick your arm out the window and the train takes off your fingers. The hyperloop is never, ever going to exist. This is all a money laundering/Theranos type scam. A wolf in Tech's clothing. I would agree -- the technical problems and construction expense has to be ridiculous. But I do fear that all this hype and investment will lead to someone actually trying and blowing a few billion on the project. That money would be far, far better spent on building some high speed rail like 20+ other countries have already done. What if we get Musk to dig Cleveland a nice "hyperloop" tunnel that we can turn into an actual subway system?
July 31, 20195 yr 12 hours ago, Foraker said: What if we get Musk to dig Cleveland a nice "hyperloop" tunnel that we can turn into an actual subway system? Musk only digs tunnels for single use cars. Very Stable Genius
July 31, 20195 yr 16 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: Musk only digs tunnels for single use cars. All the cost of a subway with the capacity of a car. Brilliant.
August 9, 20195 yr India approves Mumbai-Pune hyperloop in bid to build world's first system https://www.dezeen.com/2019/08/07/mumbai-pune-hyperloop-virgin-maharashtra-india/ The government of the Indian state of Maharashtra has approved Virgin Hyperloop One's plans to develop a high-speed line between Mumbai and Pune, which could become the world's first hyperloop. ***** http://www.forbesindia.com/article/special/mumbaipune-hyperloop-moves-closer-to-reality/54629/1 Travel in Maharashtra between Pune and Mumbai, about 120 km, could come down to 35 minutes by 2026 if all goes well with the Hyperloop project proposed to connect the two cities. That is a step closer now, after the Maharashtra state cabinet approved the public-infrastructure status of the project on July 30, clearing the way for a bidding process to select the private companies to build the super-fast transit system. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
August 9, 20195 yr Author How about USA’a first? If you thought traveling by Hyperloop to Chicago in 28 minutes was fast, how about Pittsburgh in 9? Posted: 4:29 PM, Aug 08, 2019 Updated: 6:08 PM, Aug 08, 2019 CLEVELAND — The results of the Hyperloop feasibility study started 18 months ago won't be released until this fall, but those behind the $1.2 million study tell News 5 the results are very promising. As a result, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT) and the Northern Ohio Coordinating Agency (NOACA) announced Thursday that the plans for the initial phase, which stretched from Chicago to Cleveland, will continue east to now reach Pittsburgh. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/originals/if-you-thought-traveling-by-hyperloop-to-chicago-in-28-minutes-was-fast-how-about-pittsburgh-in-9
August 9, 20195 yr 42 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: How about USA’a first? If you thought traveling by Hyperloop to Chicago in 28 minutes was fast, how about Pittsburgh in 9? Posted: 4:29 PM, Aug 08, 2019 Updated: 6:08 PM, Aug 08, 2019 CLEVELAND — The results of the Hyperloop feasibility study started 18 months ago won't be released until this fall, but those behind the $1.2 million study tell News 5 the results are very promising. As a result, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT) and the Northern Ohio Coordinating Agency (NOACA) announced Thursday that the plans for the initial phase, which stretched from Chicago to Cleveland, will continue east to now reach Pittsburgh. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/originals/if-you-thought-traveling-by-hyperloop-to-chicago-in-28-minutes-was-fast-how-about-pittsburgh-in-9 Creates more energy than it uses? Seriously, how dumb are these TV people?
August 9, 20195 yr 5 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: Creates more energy than it uses? Seriously, how dumb are these TV people? That's the marketing guy. The TV people couldn't be expected to call him on it though. Physics 101 may not be in the curriculum at acting school. I'd be curious as to what his logic is. Of course it's impossible, but some factoids had to be involved in the compilation of that statement. Edited August 9, 20195 yr by E Rocc
August 9, 20195 yr On 7/31/2019 at 9:58 AM, DarkandStormy said: Musk only digs tunnels for single use cars. Single occupancy. (Well, 2-5 maybe). That's his objective (I can certainly understand why), but the current proposal basically involves buses. Local subway system? Probably not. Getting to 700 mph and back down involves some serious acceleration and deceleration. That's 1,027 feet/sec, so it would coincidentally take about 32 seconds to get there at 1G. Distance would be ½at², so 0.5*32*32*32 = 16,384 feet. Or 3.1 miles. Same distance to slow down. Edited August 9, 20195 yr by E Rocc
September 17, 20195 yr On 8/9/2019 at 1:04 AM, MuRrAy HiLL said: How about USA’a first? If you thought traveling by Hyperloop to Chicago in 28 minutes was fast, how about Pittsburgh in 9? Posted: 4:29 PM, Aug 08, 2019 Updated: 6:08 PM, Aug 08, 2019 CLEVELAND — The results of the Hyperloop feasibility study started 18 months ago won't be released until this fall, but those behind the $1.2 million study tell News 5 the results are very promising. As a result, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT) and the Northern Ohio Coordinating Agency (NOACA) announced Thursday that the plans for the initial phase, which stretched from Chicago to Cleveland, will continue east to now reach Pittsburgh. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/originals/if-you-thought-traveling-by-hyperloop-to-chicago-in-28-minutes-was-fast-how-about-pittsburgh-in-9 First time post, long-time lurker. Prior press indicated the feasibility study was supposed to wrap up around now, so I looked around for some updated information - looks like the push for Pittsburgh comes from a 100k contribution from Pittsburgh interests via the Richard King Mellon Foundation: https://www.noaca.org/home/showdocument?id=24149 Another NOACA document indicates that there was a resolution to add the Ohio Turnpike and Infrastructure Commission (who had already contributed 100k of funding) as an ex-officio board member: https://www.noaca.org/home/showdocument?id=24151
October 5, 20195 yr Looks like there are some informational meetings being held in Sandusky and Youngstown. NOACA to discuss Hyperloop study in Sandusky Posted: 5:45 PM, Oct 10, 2019 Northeast Ohio Areawide Coordinating Agency (NOACA) in partnership with the Erie County of Regional Governments will host a public meeting at 2 p.m., Oct. 22, in Sandusky to discuss the Great Lakes Hyperloop System feasibility study, according to a news release. The meeting will take place at the Erie County Downtown Commissioners Chambers, 247 Columbus Ave. https://www.morningjournal.com/news/lorain-county/noaca-to-discuss-hyperloop-study-in-sandusky/article_7d8617a6-e5e5-11e9-99e4-534a8bbab239.html ‘Hyperloop’ tech could transform Great Lakes region Posted: Sep 27, 2019 Quote A public meeting is scheduled 10 to 11:30 a.m. Oct. 7 at Eastgate, on the 10th floor of 100 E Federal St., to share information and gauge public support about the project. https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2019/09/hyperloop-tech-could-transform-great-lakes-region/
October 5, 20195 yr ^ it would be fun to be working in downtown CLE and order an authentic Chicago deep dish pizza for delivery.
October 6, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, surfohio said: ^ it would be fun to be working in downtown CLE and order an authentic Chicago deep dish pizza for delivery. The sad/awesome thing is that depending on the last mile infrastructure on either end, you could get Chicago deep dish pizza faster from Chicago than from Giordano's Pizza's outposts in Columbus or Canton. Speaking of last mile connections, I am curious how this type of transportation would possibly tie in to something like a lakefront multi-modal transportation center vs less thoughtful routing.
October 6, 20195 yr 17 hours ago, infrafreak said: Speaking of last mile connections, I am curious how this type of transportation would possibly tie in to something like a lakefront multi-modal transportation center vs less thoughtful routing. I was actually wondering about the same thing.
October 6, 20195 yr 17 hours ago, infrafreak said: The sad/awesome thing is that depending on the last mile infrastructure on either end, you could get Chicago deep dish pizza faster from Chicago than from Giordano's Pizza's outposts in Columbus or Canton. Speaking of last mile connections, I am curious how this type of transportation would possibly tie in to something like a lakefront multi-modal transportation center vs less thoughtful routing. Spend 9 minutes from Pittsburgh to the desolate CLE lakefront (in terms of destinations) then spend twice that amount of time walking to your final destination downtown. if the hyperloop is really going to happen it should have a station at public square or E9 and Euclid, not someplace remote like the proposed station near or at the current amtrak station.
October 6, 20195 yr 4 hours ago, Pugu said: Spend 9 minutes from Pittsburgh to the desolate CLE lakefront (in terms of destinations) then spend twice that amount of time walking to your final destination downtown. if the hyperloop is really going to happen it should have a station at public square or E9 and Euclid, not someplace remote like the proposed station near or at the current amtrak station. I went to look for the route alternatives they previously had released to see if there were multiple station alternatives or just long-haul differences, and came across this update from September 27: Great Lakes Hyperloop: Status Update Community Advisory Council https://www.noaca.org/home/showdocument?id=24277 The site reconnaissance/preliminary route analysis section shows two Cleveland area stops: "Cleveland Downtown" and "Cleveland Hopkins Airport". It also shows: Chicago Downtown South Bend, IN Toledo Airport Youngstown Pittsburgh It mentions a second route analysis for Pittsburgh airport as well with the feasibility study to look at station analysis for Pittsburgh, Chicago, and Cleveland. A later section also mentions a second Chicago Midway Airport station. Edited October 6, 20195 yr by infrafreak formatting, midway station
October 12, 20195 yr On 10/5/2019 at 3:01 PM, infrafreak said: Looks like there are some informational meetings being held in Sandusky and Youngstown. https://www.vindy.com/news/local-news/2019/10/hyperloop-plan-could-hype-the-valley-economy/ Evidently the Youngstown meeting only yielded 4 attendees. But according to the article, NOACA has completed the feasibility study and is pursuing an additional $1.5 million to fund mapping of routes.
October 18, 20195 yr Hyperloop Efforts Continue, but Don’t Count Out Passenger Rail Yet The idea of connecting Columbus to Chicago and Pittsburgh with a new, super-fast, tube-based form of transportation has received a lot of attention in the last few years. The Hyperloop test pod made several appearances around Ohio last summer, delegations of local officials have flown out to Nevada to check out a desert test track for the technology, and Virgin Hyperloop One CEO Jay Walder recently travelled around the country looking to drum up support for the idea from political and business leaders. With all the interest and coverage of the Hyperloop concept, it can be easy to forget that a proposal to build a passenger rail network along the same corridor is also being studied, and is, in fact, farther along in the planning process than its more futuristic counterpart. Thea Walsh, director of transportation & infrastructure development for the Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission (MORPC), recently spoke to CU about the current status of the project, now officially known as the Rapid Speed Transportation Initiative (RSTI). More below: https://www.columbusunderground.com/hyperloop-efforts-continue-but-dont-count-out-passenger-rail-yet-bw1 "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
October 18, 20195 yr The Chicago-Columbus passenger rail line has been talked about for almost 10 years. I thought there was an update on funding awhile back? Anyway, Hyperloop still doesn't exist. Very Stable Genius
October 29, 20195 yr Hyperloop Study. https://www.cleveland19.com/2019/10/28/feasibility-study-cleveland-chicago-hyperloop-set-be-released/
November 18, 20195 yr Hyperloop closer to becoming reality. https://fox8.com/2019/11/18/hyperloop-connecting-cleveland-pittsburgh-chicago-could-be-closer-to-reality-possibilities-are-quite-astonishing/
November 18, 20195 yr ^ We’re also getting closer to the heat-death of the universe. Neither are going to happen in our lifetimes, nor the next generation’s. Edited November 19, 20195 yr by roman totale XVII My hovercraft is full of eels
November 18, 20195 yr 23 minutes ago, simplythis said: Hyperloop closer to becoming reality. https://fox8.com/2019/11/18/hyperloop-connecting-cleveland-pittsburgh-chicago-could-be-closer-to-reality-possibilities-are-quite-astonishing/ "It's definitely something that can be done". No, it isn't.
November 19, 20195 yr "The study predicts an employment growth in the region of as many as 900,000 jobs, a property value increase of $74.8 billion, increased income of $47.6 billion and a dramatically increased tax base." The only number that really matters is "The $1.2 million study was a shared venture between Hyperloop TT and NOACA, The Northeast Ohio Areawide Coordinating Agency." Not much different than a megachurch preying on its desperate base.
November 19, 20195 yr Channel 19 Story. https://www.cleveland19.com/2019/11/19/study-chicago-to-cleveland-to-pittsburgh-hyperloop-could-be-completed-by/
November 19, 20195 yr https://www.cleveland19.com/2019/11/19/study-chicago-to-cleveland-to-pittsburgh-hyperloop-could-be-completed-by/
November 19, 20195 yr 8 hours ago, TBideon said: "The study predicts an employment growth in the region of as many as 900,000 jobs, a property value increase of $74.8 billion, increased income of $47.6 billion and a dramatically increased tax base." whoa! That’s almost like a bajillion! The only real math in these reports, is taking the miles between cities, dividing by an arbitrary guesstimated “speed” of the hypothetical hyperloop and coming up with the number of minutes it would take for something (anything) traveling at that speed to travel that distance. Like everyone does on a road trip in a car. Throw in computer renderings and collect the check Edited November 19, 20195 yr by thebillshark www.cincinnatiideas.com
November 19, 20195 yr 17 hours ago, simplythis said: Hyperloop closer to becoming reality. https://fox8.com/2019/11/18/hyperloop-connecting-cleveland-pittsburgh-chicago-could-be-closer-to-reality-possibilities-are-quite-astonishing/ 11 hours ago, simplythis said: https://www.cleveland19.com/2019/11/19/study-chicago-to-cleveland-to-pittsburgh-hyperloop-could-be-completed-by/ These stories contain literally nothing about the feasibility of Hyperloop to actually exist as its founders keep portraying. What is the longest distance a Hyperloop car/vehicle has traveled at the speeds they keep claiming? Very Stable Genius
November 19, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: These stories contain literally nothing about the feasibility of Hyperloop to actually exist as its founders keep portraying. What is the longest distance a Hyperloop car/vehicle has traveled at the speeds they keep claiming? It hasn't achieved subsonic speed for even an instant. And none of the tests have carried test passengers. They haven't designed switch tracks, passing sidings, passenger loading/unloading. This whole thing is a big joke.
November 19, 20195 yr Not much new information on the pipe dream project study. I didn't recall from the study announcement that the Ohio Turnpike and Infrastructure Commission chipped in some funds. I have very low confidence in something like this ever getting built, but an alignment along (on top of?) the turnpike makes the most sense I guess. Hyperloop study shows potential for big economic gains, fast travel from Cleveland to Chicago Steven Litt - Nov. 18, 2019 https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/11/hyperloop-study-shows-potential-for-big-economic-gains-fast-travel-from-cleveland-to-chicago.html "Transit-oriented development around hyperloop stations would produce $75 billion in increased property values, with $15 billion in Cleveland within a 20-block radius around a station. ... The Richard K. Mellon Foundation of Pittsburgh added $100,000 to the Cleveland-Chicago study to make sure Pittsburgh was included, Gallucci said. NOACA and HTT split the initial $1.2 million cost of the analysis."
November 19, 20195 yr NOACA continues pursuit of a 45 minute Cleveland to Chicago hyperloop with upcoming community input. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/11/hyperloop-study-shows-potential-for-big-economic-gains-fast-travel-from-cleveland-to-chicago.html?utm_campaign=clevelanddotcom_sf&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2bwp623DsEuK3Tmin4OuULSeny7w2PWXBe7LbUNogrF0IZ29tA9aoH5Rw
November 20, 20195 yr 20 hours ago, surfohio said: ^ Wow, this looks like a sewer pipe. Quite appropriate; at the moment it's nothing but a money vacuum.
November 21, 20195 yr On 11/19/2019 at 5:28 PM, surfohio said: ^ Wow, this looks like a sewer pipe. My first thought when I saw it was this Sega CD game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewer_Shark Edited November 21, 20195 yr by Robuu
November 21, 20195 yr On 11/19/2019 at 12:04 PM, jmecklenborg said: It hasn't achieved subsonic speed for even an instant. And none of the tests have carried test passengers. They haven't designed switch tracks, passing sidings, passenger loading/unloading. This whole thing is a big joke. On 10/28/2019 at 11:54 PM, jmecklenborg said: ^Scam. On 11/18/2019 at 6:49 PM, jmecklenborg said: "It's definitely something that can be done". No, it isn't. On 10/12/2019 at 2:02 AM, jmecklenborg said: Jesus. What a complete joke. I'm betting I can find sentiments like this in the newspapers of 1900-1902 regarding heavier-than-air flight. Probably even from 1903 and later, too, from people who didn't think the Wright Brothers had actually pulled it off (and, most likely, somewhat ironically, were probably pushing to stop wasting time and attention on this pipe dream and just focus on building railroads--how far we've come in 120 years). No one had orbited the Earth until someone did, either. The question isn't whether it has been done yet. The question is what it would take to actually do it, regardless of whether it has been done before. It's fair to say that it's a long time yet in the future, as the CU article that @infrafreak posted noted: "All that uncertainty adds up to an estimated timeline for actually building a Hyperloop that is pretty far out in the future. Walsh told the Dublin City Council that work could start on a certification track in 2023 or 2024. As for the eventual completion of a Hyperloop system along the Chicago to Pittsburgh corridor, 'We’d be looking more 2040s, 2050s,' she said." I share the reservations of many that it would be a very sensitive and fragile system. But I might have been saying the same thing in 1905 about flying in a giant box or tube held up by fans pulling a passenger cabin along with thousands of gallons of flammable liquid through the sky.
November 21, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Robuu said: My first thought when I saw it was this Sega CD game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewer_Shark That was the first time that I was really disappointed in a video game system. Xmas '92. "Niner!"
November 21, 20195 yr 41 minutes ago, Gramarye said: I'm betting I can find sentiments like this in the newspapers of 1900-1902 regarding heavier-than-air flight. Probably even from 1903 and later, too, from people who didn't think the Wright Brothers had actually pulled it off (and, most likely, somewhat ironically, were probably pushing to stop wasting time and attention on this pipe dream and just focus on building railroads--how far we've come in 120 years). You can also find pneumatic rail designs from the 19th century. Not all ideas successfully come to fruition. Some have fundamental flaws that make them impractical ... even if the theory works.
November 21, 20195 yr Aerodynamic lift is actually a very simple concept-- just the calculations and propulsion method had to be sorted out. That's how birds and insects mastered it and how every single person over the age of 7 can make a paper airplane.
November 21, 20195 yr 43 minutes ago, Gramarye said: I'm betting I can find sentiments like this in the newspapers of 1900-1902 regarding heavier-than-air flight. Except this is a scam. They're burning up investor cash and taking fees from yokel local governments. Even if the technology could be made to work, a long-distance system will be practical because the capacity will be so low. Existing high speed rail systems have a max hourly capacity of 15 trains per hour, per direction. The trains carry roughly 1,000 passengers each. Musk's tide pods will carry 30 passengers. So Musk's sewer pipe will have far less capacity per hour if they do in fact run at 600mph, because they will only be able to run 10 per hour at most per direction, and probably fewer than that. Even if they do run 1,000-foot long trains in the sewer pipe, it'll still suffer from the capacity problem because they won't be able to run anywhere close to 15 trains per hour, per direction. It'll be more like 7 or 8. This is why maglev isn't a serious alternative to conventional HSR, despite the fact that the technology actually exists. They all know this. But they're pushing it. Because they're scammers.
November 21, 20195 yr Didn't people think heavier than air flight was absurd before the Wright brothers? A few decades later we took a man to the moon. This looks doable... edit. Didn't see posts above before posting this but my personal thoughts exactly! Edited November 21, 20195 yr by Mildtraumatic
November 21, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, Robuu said: My first thought when I saw it was this Sega CD game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewer_Shark Wow, the comparison with Hyperloop is spot on: The objective of Sewer Shark is to travel all the way from the home base Chicago to Solar City Cleveland without crashing or running out of energy, and while maintaining a satisfactory level of performance as judged by Ghost and Commissioner Stenchler.
November 21, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, GCrites80s said: Aerodynamic lift is actually a very simple concept-- just the calculations and propulsion method had to be sorted out. That's how birds and insects mastered it and how every single person over the age of 7 can make a paper airplane. You make it sound like the Roman Empire and Ming Dynasty slacked off if they didn't develop warplanes. The vacuum tube is conceptually simple, too. The devil is always in the details, hence Edison's famous aphorism about genius being 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. 1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said: Existing high speed rail systems have a max hourly capacity of 15 trains per hour, per direction. The trains carry roughly 1,000 passengers each. Musk's tide pods will carry 30 passengers. So Musk's sewer pipe will have far less capacity per hour if they do in fact run at 600mph, because they will only be able to run 10 per hour at most per direction, and probably fewer than that. Even if they do run 1,000-foot long trains in the sewer pipe, it'll still suffer from the capacity problem because they won't be able to run anywhere close to 15 trains per hour, per direction. It'll be more like 7 or 8. There will not be 15 high-speed 1000-person trains per hour between Columbus and Chicago (or Pittsburgh), regardless of its technological feasibility. It makes no sense to focus on theoretical capacity with no realistic scenario in which that much capacity is actually used.
November 21, 20195 yr 5 minutes ago, Gramarye said: You make it sound like the Roman Empire and Ming Dynasty slacked off if they didn't develop warplanes. The vacuum tube is conceptually simple, too. The devil is always in the details, hence Edison's famous aphorism about genius being 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. What needed to happen -- which was that engines needed to reach a specific horsepower to weight ratio -- happened very close to the invention of manned, powered flight. Without that requirement it would have happened much earlier.
November 21, 20195 yr Let's say that the technical details can be worked out by 2040. How much is it going to cost to do that research? Then, how much is it going to cost to build and operate such a system? And in comparison, how much would it cost to implement the Midwest Plan for high speed rail? Without knowing the answers, I would put my money on rail over tubes. I have not heard a compelling argument for putting government money into this unproven concept BEFORE implementing the already-available technology of high speed rail.
November 22, 20195 yr 8 hours ago, Foraker said: Let's say that the technical details can be worked out by 2040. How much is it going to cost to do that research? Then, how much is it going to cost to build and operate such a system? And in comparison, how much would it cost to implement the Midwest Plan for high speed rail? Without knowing the answers, I would put my money on rail over tubes. I have not heard a compelling argument for putting government money into this unproven concept BEFORE implementing the already-available technology of high speed rail. Either way, the airline and highway lobbies will be buying their favorite members of the US Congress to make sure trains or tubes get no public money.
November 22, 20195 yr 10 hours ago, Gramarye said: There will not be 15 high-speed 1000-person trains per hour between Columbus and Chicago (or Pittsburgh), regardless of its technological feasibility. It makes no sense to focus on theoretical capacity with no realistic scenario in which that much capacity is actually used. Most HSR systems have branches that converge on a trunk line approach to a city. So during peak travel times the approach does hit capacity. For example, much of the French TGV network is not high speed rail, but rather the high speed trains leave the high speed trunk lines and travel to secondary cities on conventional railroads. This enables one-seat rides from much of the countryside into Paris. It's not hard to imagine such a single high speed trunk line approaching Chicago with trains from Indy, Cincinnati, Columbus, Detroit, and Cleveland. The hyperloop can't do that because aside from the fact it's nowhere close to being technically feasible (the actual basic tube), there has been absolutely no description as to how switches would work. Google "hyperloop switch track" or "hyperloop turnout" or "hyperloop passing siding" and you get nothing. It's a scam. Just like Theranos and WeWork.
November 27, 20195 yr I agree that the hyperloop is a scam and wanted to let NOACA my thoughts on the project. So, I commented something along the lines of "Why not just fund high-speed rail instead? A high-speed rail line would get you from Cleveland to Chicago in 1hr 45 min with a technology that actually exists." Their response: Thank you for your comments Robert. NOACA is the metropolitan planning organization (MPO) for the Cleveland, Geauga, Lorain, Lake and Medina county areas. We are the leading transportation and environmental planning agency that studies and provides analysis for transportation infrastructure projects, systems and mobility access within our region. Due to our planning efforts, NOACA was able to fund 99 local projects totaling $161 million this year alone for transportation improvements to highways, roadways, bridges, trails and access for pedestrians and bicycles. Just as we planned for the appropriateness of the above projects, our focus as a feasibility partner, is to see if the Hyperloop is appropriate for our region. If the feasibility results show that Hyperloop would not be effective, including fare, operations, station locations, environmentally unstable, we will not recommend this system. The feasibility results will be released next month. No federal or government funds have been used toward the feasibility study. System technologies, including magnetic levitation (MAGLEV) that operates like rail, is not new and has been around for decades. This system has been proven to be less expensive and environmentally sustainable over high speed rail and is the reason you do not hear more about funding rail. Areas in Asia, Europe and in the U.S. have operated and created MAGLEV systems that have run within dedicated areas with short distances (ie cross local use and airports). This technology does exists. The U.S. Federal Rail Administration (FRA) will be reviewing grants next month on funding MAGLEV systems because this technology has proven to be sound, effective for passenger travel. The Hyperloop system looks to elevate the travel experience through a more advanced MAGLEV system that will transport cargo and passengers regionally. Yes, the advance of this technology is new and testing tracks have been built by several companies such as Virgin One, Hyperloop One and our partner Hyperloop Transportation Technology (HTT) to ensure system safety based on the speeds of 750 + mph. Hyperloop will be funded primarily by the private sector, while standards, safety policies, regulations would be funded by the public sector. Pricing, fare structures, and fixed guideway structure should not impact public transit funding for other projects. We appreciate your comments and hope that we are able to continue providing more information and results of the study. Please visit our website at www.noaca.org Best, NOACA
November 27, 20195 yr I was thinking the other day about how a passing siding / intermediate station couldn't really work. An intermediate station would in concept be no different than the 4-track stations currently exist in France and are under construction in California. The mainline tracks continue straight through the station structure and the passing sidings branch from the mainline a few hundred feet from either end of the station canopy. The big problem with 4 parallel tubes for an intermediate hyperloop station are these: 1. A train would have to slow to 50mph or slower on the mainline approach to the station in order to negotiate the turnout. This would require a significant gap in the schedule so that an express train wouldn't run into it as the local train slows. With HSR, a train is only slowing from 200mph to 50mph whereas a hyperloop vehicle would have to slow from 600-700mph all the way down to 50mph - a much lengthier movement. 2. A turnout would require an airlock at the junction in order to maintain the shape of the mainline tube. Otherwise the turbulence from a vehicle passing at 600-700mhp would cause a crazy "wake" that could still reverberate by the time another vehicle comes along. 3. A turnout would also require an airlock in order to enable the local train to "deplane". How long does it take the passing siding to depressurize and then repressurize? 10 minutes for each, likely. The alternative would be vehicle doors that line up with doors on the vacuum tube - but the seal would have to be absolutely perfect, which seems impossible. If it is possible, it wouldn't be durable. 4. The airlock itself couldn't lock without the track physically moving out of the way. So not only would there have to be tracks that move like a traditional railroad turnout, but a section would have to physically slide out of the way so that the airlock could form a perfect seal. There is simply no way that a moving air lock could be made to seal around stationary tracks. And the moving section of tracks would have to slide in and out of place absolutely perfectly. 5. The forces on the welded junction between the mainline tube and the side track would be immense. The repercussions for a bad weld are catastrophic.
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