24 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

There are a lot of spots on the west side that look really similar to that, and there are even a few mansions and gaslight streets.  The first difference is that the west side (and college hill) were ravaged by apartment construction through the 1960s, so there are all sorts of odd interruptions to the street wall, and apartments tucked into leftover pieces of land.  But the bigger issue is that the west side neighborhoods aren't organized around neighborhood nodes.  Cheviot is the exception, as the Harrison Ave. strip is Cheviot is a very walkable area with many apartments over commercial storefronts, and Warsaw/Glenway used to be that way in Price Hill, but there is definitely no center esplanade anywhere on the west side that is referred to as a "square", ala Hyde Park, Oakley, or Mt. Lookout.  

 

I would consider the the Westwood Town Square area the best case the Westside has at creating a square with the likes of HP or Mt Lookout.

Hyde Park is very diverse. It has everything from 900 square foot bungalows that came from Sears Roebuck next to the tracks to multi million dollar 19th Century castles. Norwood has some very nice homes.

 

Here is a security camera image of my back yard, right in the middle of HP.

Pool party at your house! ^

Well this is going to look terrible...

 

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/14/100-room-hotel-planned-in-hyde-park-slideshow.html?ana=twt

 

100-room hotel planned in Hyde Park: SLIDESHOW

 

A local hotel developer and operator are planning to build a seven-story Hampton Inn & Suites Hotel in Hyde Park.

 

Brandicorp LLC and Lexington Management Corp. are under contract to purchase the former Pig & Whistle property at 2680 Madison Road from Capital Investment Group Inc. Brandicorp plans to develop a seven-story, 100-room hotel on the site.

Woof, all that parking.  Is there really a need for a hotel in Hyde Park?  I would think residential would do much better in that spot.  

Residential would do better in that spot, but the Hyde Park NIMBY's won that fight.  What a waste of prime Wasson Way trail frontage too.

It would honestly benefit stakeholders in the area to go to a city that has an established, world-class urban trail system (like Minneapolis) to see what surrounding developments looks like done right, because right now it does not seem like they have any idea what they’re doing. Shame, because Wasson Way has enormous potential. Seems destined to be squandered though. 

Edited August 14, 20195 yr by Pdrome513

Their Facebook has had posts about them visiting Atlanta and Indy's trails... And they were adamantly opposed to the original mixed-use proposal that would have been an excellent addition to an ugly corner.  Most of their team is likely just Hyde Parkers concerned about the values of their houses and traffic.

Edited August 14, 20195 yr by 10albersa

25 minutes ago, 10albersa said:

Their Facebook has had posts about them visiting Atlanta and Indy's trails... And they were adamantly opposed to the original mixed-use proposal that would have been an excellent addition to an ugly corner.  Most of their team is likely just Hyde Parkers concerned about the values of their houses and traffic.

 

So the NIMBY opposition that was concerned about traffic is going to develop an anti-urban development that will ensure an increase in traffic? Got it.

teaches the Nimbys a lesson. Before fighting a good development, just think what you may get stuck with if you kill it. I would much rather have the apartment complex than the hotel, but the hotel will be easier to get through despite the Nimby opposition.

From what I have seen of Hyde Park nimbys - they must have pretty easy lives to get so worked up over non-issues.  I saw some lady flipping out over someone throwing a beer can in her yard.  Last week I found 6-7 of them in my front bushes in Clifton.   

Old Money has plenty of time for that crap.

1 hour ago, JYP said:

So the NIMBY opposition that was concerned about traffic is going to develop an anti-urban development that will ensure an increase in traffic? Got it.

 

NIMBYs care about keeping the status quo and keeping their neighborhood exclusive, they don't care that much about traffic.  It is just an easy way to convert the masses to supporting their cause. "Your already bad commute will be even worse!"

 

A hotel doesn't increase housing supply in Hyde Park, so that's a win for them.
 

 

Edited August 14, 20195 yr by 10albersa

Feel like most of the times the ones who complain the developments don’t even live close to the area in question. 

1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said:

From what I have seen of Hyde Park nimbys - they must have pretty easy lives to get so worked up over non-issues.  I saw some lady flipping out over someone throwing a beer can in her yard.  Last week I found 6-7 of them in my front bushes in Clifton.   

Kind of like the old hags downtown complaining about W&S cutting down a few trees at Lytle Park.

46 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

W&S cutting down a few trees at Lytle Park

 

W&S cutting down a few trees at a public park

 

That's the issue

1 hour ago, GCrites80s said:

Old Money has plenty of time for that crap.

 

See the HOA thread for tales from my grandfather's endless battles with his condo association.  

19 minutes ago, 10albersa said:

 

W&S cutting down a few trees at a public park

 

That's the issue

 Ah, no, the park board blessed the deal, no it technically was not W&S it was the park board.

14 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

 Ah, no, the park board blessed the deal, no it technically was not W&S it was the park board.

 

Visit the parks office on Eden Park drive (which btw is a pretty interesting building) and the big pictures of the current park board is a who's who of Cincinnati country clubbers.  I'm sure they all have special seats this week for the Western & Southern Open.  

56 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Visit the parks office on Eden Park drive (which btw is a pretty interesting building) and the big pictures of the current park board is a who's who of Cincinnati country clubbers.  I'm sure they all have special seats this week for the Western & Southern Open.  

 

Many of whom do not actually live in Cincinnati, including the Chair (Brad Lindner). Shouldn't you actually have to live in Cincinnati to be on the park board?

Holy hell. That rendering is awful. There are hotels out in mason and blue ash that look less suburban than that. I feel like a nimby but I really hope this doesnt happen. 

14 hours ago, seaswan said:

I feel like a nimby

 

There's no reason to feel like a NIMBY over reasonable problems like the design and demand/fit.  The actual NIMBYs will get this chopped from 7 floors to 5 and it will pass.

 

There's no reason for a hotel there. And there's no reason this shouldn't interact with a pedestrian-hostile intersection that could be so much better if the buildings came up to the street.  Just throw the parking behind the hotel, why is this so hard?

 

There is, however, plenty of reason to add density to a neighborhood that is the most sought-after in the city, especially with an eventual commuter trail and plenty of retail next door at Rookwood. The old proposal wasn't ruining the charm of the neighborhood, that area is a mess.

Edited August 15, 20195 yr by 10albersa

Luxury homes proposed along Wasson Way encounter speed bump

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/09/17/luxury-homes-proposed-along-wasson-way-encounter.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline

 

I read the article and I couldn't find details about the speed bump... This is the most critical comment: "The Hyde Park Neighborhood Council opposes the subdivision, French noted, but the Cincinnati Planning Commission approved the development’s concept on Sept. 6. Meanwhile, the community council for Oakley, which borders Hyde Park at Wasson Road, gave its blessing."

 

Anyone know the details of the HPNC's opposition? This project sounds great, IMO.

Based off what I have read most of the opposition is *traffic* and *green space*... mind you we are talking about six houses on land that is currently vacant and is not used for green space.

7 minutes ago, wjh2 said:

Based off what I have read most of the opposition is *traffic* and *green space*... mind you we are talking about six houses on land that is currently vacant and is not used for green space.

Yes because 15-20 more people living In That area is going to cause massive backups. Just NIMBYs being NIMBYs.

Edited September 17, 20195 yr by Ucgrad2015
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Galaxy brain level NIMBY would oppose it because it prevents using the space as a station platform for a potential Wasson Way LRT. ??

I saw one complaint about storm sewers being at max capacity already...they really have nothing left to form a real argument with. 

3 minutes ago, seaswan said:

I saw one complaint about storm sewers being at max capacity already...they really have nothing left to form a real argument with. 

 

They might as well just say "Cincinnati's full."

"We're broke"

5 hours ago, seaswan said:

I saw one complaint about storm sewers being at max capacity already...they really have nothing left to form a real argument with. 

 

Seemingly trivial stuff like this can kill projects. I've heard horror stories of people filling out MSD's "Request for Availability of Sewer Service" and getting a response not unlike "we're full." At that point, you're screwed.

2 hours ago, Ram23 said:

 

Seemingly trivial stuff like this can kill projects. I've heard horror stories of people filling out MSD's "Request for Availability of Sewer Service" and getting a response not unlike "we're full." At that point, you're screwed.

 

Is that still happening?  It was a big deal 8-12 years ago but I haven't run into it recently.  

I remember they'd overflow back then, but then I moved away and never heard about it again. 

14 hours ago, jjakucyk said:

 

Is that still happening?  It was a big deal 8-12 years ago but I haven't run into it recently.  

 

I've only heard one example in the past couple of years, and it was further outside the city in a township area on the west side of Hamilton County.

Developer can now only build 4 houses along the Wasson Way trail, not 6:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/12/09/an-arrest-warrant-a-bike-trail-and-four-houses-the.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline

 

These NIMBY Hyde Parkers are hilarious.  Let's go nuts over 4 weird-looking houses occupied by fellow trust funders but who cares about the ugly-arse strip mall directly across the street?  Or the industrial buildings another block down Wasson?  

this situation is pathetic

They should direct their anger at the hotel that is going in near the Madison and Edwards intersection. 

 

There's going to be 100+ more flushing toilets going into their already over-capacity wastewater system, there will be hundreds of cars worth of traffic daily with this hotel, and all the tourists are going to ruin the trail that runs right behind it. They're probably tearing down a few trees too, that's literally illegal!

 

Oh, wait... a hotel won't add to the housing stock so they can keep their houses at artificially high values.  Now I get it

Edited December 10, 20195 yr by 10albersa

Look at what is quite literally within sight of these evil infill houses...not only do we have some nondescript circa-1955 industrial buildings, we also have a suspicious van parked along the curb and a six-wheeled hatchback.  The horror! 

 

 

 

 

Who wants their front yard to be the back of a Kroger store.

Hopefully one day all of HPP gets redeveloped...seems just as unlikely as rookwood ever being changed though. 

4 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Who wants their front yard to be the back of a Kroger store.

 

Whoever buys these houses will almost always drive there. 

Developer French's infil houses will have incredible walkability. All shopping, walk into Ault Park, the Wasson Bike Trail. On the bus line. Medical 500 feet away. Is it all about location, location, location? I count 62 restaurants one could easily walk to. Plus three grocery stores. Plus a post office and hardware store. Plus, plus, plus.

Edited December 10, 20195 yr by 1400 Sycamore

I think the nature of people and people like this on these review boards is they are able to do what they want when they want, so they start doing stuff to prove they are right and it goes way beyond societal norms, like someone trying to have him arrested for saying he was an architect. It's like what? Over a couple of houses?

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"If the lot split is approved, it would create a new precedent, opening the door wide open for more developers to come forward to request lot splits and variances on other non-buildable properties sprinkled around our neighborhood," wrote Karen Robertson, a Hyde Park resident, to the planning department.

 

Heaven forbid we realize we have archaic zoning that requires 25(!!!!) feet between the front of the property line & the front of the house. 

 

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Residents said they liked the trees currently on the parcel today.

 

The trees & woods that are always littered with trash? Those trees?

 

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Residents suggested it become a pocket park instead.

 

At this point lets just make everything a trail or a park, we don't actually need people to live near anything. 

Question: if back or side yard ADU’s were allowed, would that reduce the demand for subdividing lots? 
 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/06/19/mayors-wife-ex-chief-of-staff-spar-over-zoning.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline

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...the new home to be built there would be too close to her backyard and her pool. Furthermore, she would not be able to shield the new home’s views of her back yard. DeLorenzo’s pool area goes right up to the Rohs’ property line.

 

“There is the huge destruction of property value to said property and surrounding properties to consider,” DeLorenzo wrote in an email to commissioners.

 

“It is the ruination of our heaven. It is the ruination of our backyard. It may as well be a Ferris wheel," another neighborhood resident told board members.

 

That's the worst kind of pearl-clutching NIMBY-ism that exists, and they would apply that same "logic" to ADUs since they're usually closer to side and rear lot lines than these houses on subdivided lots, which keep in mind still have to comply with the underlying zoning.  So I think if ADUs are allowed, people like this would make sure the regulations are so onerous as to de facto ban them.  They think this is Indian Hill where you can have 5+ acres of buffer around your house, not a city neighborhood, but even Indian Hill doesn't allow ADUs.  

Here is the site of the drama:

Jake: What's the address?

^ That's the southeast corner of Observatory and Stettinius.  

3 hours ago, jjakucyk said:

^ That's the southeast corner of Observatory and Stettinius.  

 

Thanks. I go by there every day. With the sign she put up about subdivision I thought they were going to tear the house down and put about five units up the south side of Stettinius. The neighbors should be glad she is only talking about one house in the yard.

 

In fact, I'm still skeptical. That house it too big to get a good price. They are dogs on the market and she is no more than 90 feet from her southern neighbor's property line. Torn down she has $2,000,000 of lots at least (47000 sq feet) with access from every direction, room for a drive down the middle although not needed. And, the new restriction prevents her from putting a house in the front.

Edited June 23, 20204 yr by 1400 Sycamore

The replacement for Teller's is sort-of open in Hyde Park Square. Looks like they are just doing weekend take-out but the patio on the backside should be ready next weekend. Co-owner mentioned that they will try to have dine-in service in October. https://dear-restaurant.com/