November 3, 20213 yr I like option 6. It should help calm that street down the most in my mind. I also like the grass in the median.
November 3, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, RealAdamP said: I like option 6. It should help calm that street down the most in my mind. I also like the grass in the median. It's certainly the safest option for cyclists if they do it correctly. I don't understand the 12 foot travel lane and it's weird that they mention right in/right out for the side streets without mentioning if u-turns would be legal
November 5, 20213 yr On 11/3/2021 at 4:15 PM, Dev said: It's certainly the safest option for cyclists if they do it correctly. I don't understand the 12 foot travel lane and it's weird that they mention right in/right out for the side streets without mentioning if u-turns would be legal I'm not certain it is the safest option for cyclists. I would calculate the amount of shared boundary between different modes of transportation as a factor in safety with a lower number being better/safer. 3 and 6 both have double the amount of shared perimeter between cars and cyclists than option 4. I would argue that 6 is the least safe for cyclists as you are most directly in contact with moving car lanes.
November 5, 20213 yr 35 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said: I'm not certain it is the safest option for cyclists. I would calculate the amount of shared boundary between different modes of transportation as a factor in safety with a lower number being better/safer. 3 and 6 both have double the amount of shared perimeter between cars and cyclists than option 4. I would argue that 6 is the least safe for cyclists as you are most directly in contact with moving car lanes. Parked cars would block visibility of cyclists in option 3. There is only about one-car length of a gap before the intersection, while in option 6, the cycle track is unobstructed from view for the entire length of the left-turn lanes. In any case, both versions should have bicycle traffic lights, but it's not clear they will do that for any of these.
December 1, 20213 yr I admit, this project eliminates some of my inner dislike of how the whole FCC stadium area development has been going. I just wish there was room for historic redevolepment of some of the things that are already demolished. This is cool, I like this alot! https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/12/01/pitch-side-center-planned-next-to-tql-stadium.html?ana=TRUEANTHEMFB_CI&csrc=6398&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A Trending Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2C6cwksv7GK_82Ln0Rdrh0DSLMq28RqW3wv3pHcsB2g7MHulR37Pmm4mU
December 1, 20213 yr ^It looks like the facade renderings in that article would be the south side, the side that faces the stadium and Wade St. www.cincinnatiideas.com
December 1, 20213 yr Glad to hear their plan is to save and re-purpose that structure! I'm curious to see what is proposed for the the east (Central Parkway) and north (Liberty) sides, since those views were conspicuously missing from the renderings shared in the article.
December 1, 20213 yr That site was home to Windisch Muhlhauser Company - Lion Brewery. The bit of historic brick facade used to be the brewery'swest facade, abutting Provident St. Sanborn Map, page 83 from Volume 1. From Tavern Trove:
December 1, 20213 yr If that rendering is the south facade I wonder if the North (Liberty facing) facade will match or be something less interesting. This looks like it could be great, the only issue is this quote "The ownership group is not looking to start Pitch Side Center speculatively, meaning without any signed tenants, but it would start redevelopment if it secures a significant lease in the building". The Foundry has filled up rather fast, which gives home, but it was also started speculatively. I hope this one gets off the ground asap.
December 1, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, jwulsin said: That site was home to Windisch Muhlhauser Company - Lion Brewery. The bit of historic brick facade used to be the brewery'swest facade, abutting Provident St. From Tavern Trove: The building in question was built as the bottling works for Burger, which began brewing in the building after Prohibition.
December 1, 20213 yr These renderings look great. a red brick facade to keep the red brick city look. Sympathetic use of materials that transition an ultra modern stadium to the 1800 buildings everyone seems to want to keep. A new hotel that with any luck won't be anything like a boring repeat of recent interstate motels. And a tree lined street that will fit well with renderings of a reworked Central Parkway. Plus, new home construction that will help soften the blow between industrial (Sam Adams) to city neighborhood (Westend). I think FCC will do a great job when all is said and done.
December 2, 20213 yr That would be a great project and to get some additional office workers in the area. The main caveat is no work will start until there is a main tenant signed to a lease, and in the current environment I dont know if that would happen anytime soon.
December 2, 20213 yr I'd love to see CTI take a floor of this proposed "Pitch Side Center," since they're looking for 40,000 sq ft and that's roughly the size of the floorplates. I don't like the name "Pitch Side Center"... so just sell the naming rights to CTI and let them put their name on the building. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/12/02/childrens-cti-partner-on-100m-project.html
December 2, 20213 yr 6 hours ago, wjh2 said: That would be a great project and to get some additional office workers in the area. The main caveat is no work will start until there is a main tenant signed to a lease, and in the current environment I dont know if that would happen anytime soon. It's important to note that Downtown Cincinnati has seen a ton of office to residential conversion over the past decade and more in the works. We're finally getting to a place where there's actually a lack of office space. And particularly a lack of Class A office space. That's why the Foundry project filled up so quickly. I could see this getting moving sooner than later.
December 2, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, jwulsin said: I'd love to see CTI take a floor of this proposed "Pitch Side Center," since they're looking for 40,000 sq ft and that's roughly the size of the floorplates. I don't like the name "Pitch Side Center"... so just sell the naming rights to CTI and let them put their name on the building. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/12/02/childrens-cti-partner-on-100m-project.html That's a cool re-use thought, but CTI is most likely going to be building a brand new, state of the art lab/cell therapy manufacturing facility. Renovating an old building that has seen multiple uses is probably way too complex of a project for a mid-size company like CTI. If I had to guess, they are going to build it in the new Innovation District off MLK and Reading.
December 2, 20213 yr On 12/1/2021 at 3:43 PM, mcmicken said: Look how narrow Liberty Street used to be! We should maybe consider returning it to its original width!
December 3, 20213 yr 12 hours ago, taestell said: Look how narrow Liberty Street used to be! We should maybe consider returning it to its original width! Yep, it used to be 2 lanes until 1950s. It was widened almost exclusively to connect to planned highways 71 and 75.
December 3, 20213 yr The notable part about Liberty here is that this is the only block where the north side was demolished for the widening. This is why there's a slight bend in the road now. For the entire rest of the original Liberty, the northern block was not demolished.
December 4, 20213 yr Here is a sketch of FC Cincinnati Hotel Complex with a renewed Burger Beer Building. The Hotel could be a red brick retro-look of the demolished beer company.
December 9, 20213 yr Is there any discussion going on about using some of those federal funds for capping 75 or does it seem that only Columbus going to get capped interstates?
December 9, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, RealAdamP said: Is there any discussion going on about using some of those federal funds for capping 75 or does it seem that only Columbus going to get capped interstates? We could/should be looking at building the FWW caps, but no one knows what to do with 75 until the final-final BSB approach is agreed upon. Do we narrow 75 as much as possible in it's current route, decouple the 71/75 and redo both the East and West side of downtown spaghetti ramps, do you re-route 75 west of Longworth cutting through queensgate and opening up a ton of new downtown land? No one knows what the answer is but we will be discussing this at an upcoming AIA Cincinnati / AIA NKY joint virtual meeting :) Edited December 9, 20213 yr by ucgrady
December 9, 20213 yr 8 minutes ago, ucgrady said: We could/should be looking at building the FWW caps, but no one knows what to do with 75 until the final-final BSB approach is agreed upon. Do we narrow 75 as much as possible in it's current route, decouple the 71/75 and redo both the East and West side of downtown spaghetti ramps, do you re-route 75 west of Longworth cutting through queensgate and opening up a ton of new downtown land? No one knows what the answer is but we will be discussing this at an upcoming AIA Cincinnati / AIA NKY joint virtual meeting :) Too bad I don't have an architecture degree. :( That would be an interesting discussion. I think capping 75 and despaghetting that interchange (why are there so many exits and on ramps within such a short amount of time?) would be the best middle ground.
December 9, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, RealAdamP said: Too bad I don't have an architecture degree. :( That would be an interesting discussion. I think capping 75 and despaghetting that interchange (why are there so many exits and on ramps within such a short amount of time?) would be the best middle ground. I don't think you need have an architecture degree or to be a member to attend the salon. I've attend a few of their events and they only ask to make sure certified architects get education credits. “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
January 10, 20223 yr The latest HCB notice has items for 1931 and 1937 Freeman Avenue. Proposal to increase the number of units and renovate the storefront. I believe it is the orange/peach building on the right and the white building on the left. Not sure if the green building is included in this or not, but I assume it is since all three properties are owned by "Freeman Avenue Apartments LLC". Technically everything from the orange/peach building south to the vacant lot fronting Naeher Alley is owned by this org. Hearing date is February 14. No plans online yet.
January 10, 20223 yr 30 minutes ago, ryanlammi said: Technically everything from the orange/peach building south to the vacant lot fronting Naeher Alley is owned by this org. ^I think it's good news that the same owner has these 4 buildings plus the empty lot next to Naeher Alley. The empty lot should help by providing off-street parking, and will hopefully make the renovations more financially viable, increasing the chance of all 4 buildings getting renovated.
March 10, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Dev said: Can't wait for this! Once the city installs a bike lane on Linn from 8th north to Bank/Central this this will be massive for the West End.
March 10, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, Dcs3939 said: Can't wait for this! Once the city installs a bike lane on Linn from 8th north to Bank/Central this this will be massive for the West End. Is that official? Last I recall there were options presented for the road diet, but feedback from neighbors seemed to be that they don't understand the need for a bike lane (protected or not).
March 10, 20223 yr 50 minutes ago, 10albersa said: Is that official? Last I recall there were options presented for the road diet, but feedback from neighbors seemed to be that they don't understand the need for a bike lane (protected or not). A final design has not been selected but the final 3 versions all have bike lanes of some variety. However, I also remember that the community feedback did not care about bike access, only pedestrian safety.
March 10, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Dev said: A final design has not been selected but the final 3 versions all have bike lanes of some variety. However, I also remember that the community feedback did not care about bike access, only pedestrian safety. Fascinating that was the feedback. I've talked to RedBike in the past and they said the Bank/Linn/Dayton St. Bike station was their busiest. Walking/biking safety go hand in hand. This area is incredibly dangerous. People fly around that corner and get aggressive with walkers and bikers crossing and honk/yell at them. I see it almost daily. Crossing Linn is frightening.
March 10, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Dcs3939 said: Fascinating that was the feedback. I've talked to RedBike in the past and they said the Bank/Linn/Dayton St. Bike station was their busiest. Walking/biking safety go hand in hand. This area is incredibly dangerous. People fly around that corner and get aggressive with walkers and bikers crossing and honk/yell at them. I see it almost daily. Crossing Linn is frightening. I remember that as well. The impetuous for the project was the striking and killing of Donna Pringle while she was using a marked and improved crosswalk so it's no real surprise that they will focus on pedestrian safety. Also, in general, these type of meetings don't bring out the kinds of folks who regularly bike. At least that has been my experience. Everyone understands the need to cross a street they live on or are visiting. but biking is just too foreign for too many people still. Hopefully projects like this will help demonstrate why it is great and helps with walkability too.
March 28, 20223 yr We've got a housing shortage, and City Council has passed a number of new mechanisms to fund affordable housing. We should get shovels in the ground tomorrow and start building new housing on the remaining vacant lots in City West. (Hopefully something more dense than the single-family townhomes that make up the existing development.) Does anyone know if anything is in the works?
March 28, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, taestell said: We've got a housing shortage, and City Council has passed a number of new mechanisms to fund affordable housing. We should get shovels in the ground tomorrow and start building new housing on the remaining vacant lots in City West. (Hopefully something more dense than the single-family townhomes that make up the existing development.) Does anyone know if anything is in the works? Agreed. Does anybody know the status of CMHA "Choice Neighborhoods" program in the West End? https://cintimha.com/development/wechoice/ https://www.wcpo.com/news/our-community/cmhas-new-planning-grant-could-mean-big-changes-for-west-end-public-housing-communities
May 3, 20223 yr Very interesting... It looks like we now have a serious proposal for redeveloping the Crosley Telecommunications Center (WCET/WVXU) block, or rather building a new development around the existing office building. Hines plans $100 million project next to Music Hall Hines, a Houston-based private company that invests in and develops real estate, is interested in redeveloping the current home of CET, Cincinnati’s public television station, and Town Center Garage. The company is proposing a development that could include 360 apartments, 8,000 square feet of retail or gallery space, a new parking garage for hundreds of cars, and renovated space for CET, according to a concept plan the Business Courierreceived via a public records request from the city of Cincinnati. The estimated cost of this development would be more than $100 million.
May 3, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, taestell said: Very interesting... It looks like we now have a serious proposal for redeveloping the Crosley Telecommunications Center (WCET/WVXU) block, or rather building a new development around the existing office building. Hines plans $100 million project next to Music Hall Hines, a Houston-based private company that invests in and develops real estate, is interested in redeveloping the current home of CET, Cincinnati’s public television station, and Town Center Garage. The company is proposing a development that could include 360 apartments, 8,000 square feet of retail or gallery space, a new parking garage for hundreds of cars, and renovated space for CET, according to a concept plan the Business Courierreceived via a public records request from the city of Cincinnati. The estimated cost of this development would be more than $100 million. There is also this out there. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2022/05/02/new-cincinnati-arena-possible-for-west-end/7451446001/
May 3, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, ucnum1 said: There is also this out there. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2022/05/02/new-cincinnati-arena-possible-for-west-end/7451446001/ I’d much rather the apartments here then a replacement arena. Edited May 3, 20223 yr by Ucgrad2015
May 3, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said: I’d much rather the apartments here then a replacement arena. FC ownership is pushing the arena in this location.Its why this proposal from Hines has been on the shelf for 18 months.
May 4, 20223 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/05/03/hines-plans-development-by-music-hall.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, ColDayMan said: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/05/03/hines-plans-development-by-music-hall.html Weren't they just saying the other day that they were keeping this site open for potential arena development?
May 4, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, ucnum1 said: FC ownership is pushing the arena in this location.Its why this proposal from Hines has been on the shelf for 18 months. Fairly frustrating that this development could be largely complete by now, but instead we are sitting with a crumbling garage for the foreseeable future while parties fumble around and play politics.
May 4, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Cincy513 said: We're not getting a new arena unless FCC ownership pays for it. That's thier plan even pie in the sky dreams of going for a NBA team.
May 4, 20223 yr How would an arena fit in that space? It seems like it would have to go across Central Avenue, just like the stadium, which seems like a hard sell with a school and the Betts House there.
May 4, 20223 yr 23 minutes ago, Dev said: How would an arena fit in that space? It seems like it would have to go across Central Avenue, just like the stadium, which seems like a hard sell with a school and the Betts House there. That block is around 200,000 square feet and the current arena is about 150,000 square feet. But I think a modern arena would have trouble fitting.
May 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, ucnum1 said: That's thier plan even pie in the sky dreams of going for a NBA team. There's zero chance Cincy is getting an NBA team. Someone look up the new arena in Milwaukee for a size comparison. That is pretty much exactly what a new arena here could look like. It's only 17,500 seats compared to the 90s and 2000s arenas which were all over 20,000. Lots of premium seats though to make money. And it still cost just over 1 billion.
May 4, 20223 yr If there is a actual viable arena in the city and billionaires willing it Lindner and Whitman are worth near 10 billion it is possible.Likely hell no but possible.
May 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, ucnum1 said: That's thier plan even pie in the sky dreams of going for a NBA team. That’s news to me. I haven’t heard anyone around that ownership group even whisper about a possible NBA team. They want a new arena but I don’t think they are thinking a new franchise will actually be in the mix.
May 4, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, 646empire said: That’s news to me. I haven’t heard anyone around that ownership group even whisper about a possible NBA team. They want a new arena but I don’t think they are thinking a new franchise will actually be in the mix. It's Berdings pipe dream ownership is just backing him.
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