May 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Cincy513 said: There's zero chance Cincy is getting an NBA team. Someone look up the new arena in Milwaukee for a size comparison. That is pretty much exactly what a new arena here could look like. It's only 17,500 seats compared to the 90s and 2000s arenas which were all over 20,000. Lots of premium seats though to make money. And it still cost just over 1 billion. Milwaukee arena is about 280,00 square feet. It would not fit on that block.
May 4, 20223 yr Seattle is going to get one of the expansion teams almost guaranteed so the question is just who is the other new team to get them to 32. Signs point to Vegas, who can use their brand new NHL stadium, but there are also pushes by Louisville, St. Louis, Austin and others. I've never seen Cincinnati even mentioned as an option. If the NBA is interested in this part of the country it would be Louisville reviving the ABA Kentucky Colonels, led by Dan Issel who has lots of NBA connections, being the first pro team in the whole state of Kentucky (who loves basketball) and has KFC/Yum, Papa Johns and UPS as potential corporate sponsors like FedEx is for the Grizzlies.
May 4, 20223 yr Another bit of interesting news this week, Chad Munitz has joined FCC as their VP of Real Estate. Chad is a pretty bright guy and has a lot of connections in the Cincy RE industry. He's been at Towne for a few years now and was likely frustrated with how little they have done development-wise (basically nothing). I can't see him jumping ship to an organization like FCC unless ownership laid out a very compelling plan for their future Real Estate developments. In the same article it mentions they've also brought on a facilities manager to oversee the stadium, training facility, and offices - meaning those things won't be under Munitz's purview. It's just speculation, but I'm hopeful we will see some pretty serious plans from FCC soon as to how they will develop this area to make it a true destination. Edited May 4, 20223 yr by dnymck
May 4, 20223 yr That is huge news and definitely a sign that they're ready to get serious about developing the lots around the stadium.
May 4, 20223 yr 54 minutes ago, ucgrady said: Seattle is going to get one of the expansion teams almost guaranteed so the question is just who is the other new team to get them to 32. Signs point to Vegas, who can use their brand new NHL stadium, but there are also pushes by Louisville, St. Louis, Austin and others. I've never seen Cincinnati even mentioned as an option. If the NBA is interested in this part of the country it would be Louisville reviving the ABA Kentucky Colonels, led by Dan Issel who has lots of NBA connections, being the first pro team in the whole state of Kentucky (who loves basketball) and has KFC/Yum, Papa Johns and UPS as potential corporate sponsors like FedEx is for the Grizzlies. New Orleans has been linked to relocation rumors.Its a moot point unless thier is a viable arena but Cincinnati with billionaires involved isn't impossible for a NBA franchise. Edited May 4, 20223 yr by ucnum1 Error
May 4, 20223 yr I think the market is too saturated for NBA to work here in Cincinnati. NBA tickets are usually not cheap either. Seattle is 100% getting a team and I would expect Vegas gets one soon too.
May 4, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said: I think the market is too saturated for NBA to work here in Cincinnati. NBA tickets are usually not cheap either. Seattle is 100% getting a team and I would expect Vegas gets one soon too. Cincinnati isn’t getting a team nor do I think the city really wants one. NFL, MLB, MLS and 2 very successful college basketball programs and an emerging College Football power heading to the Big 12 is enough. Louisville isn’t really in a race for one either, I can’t imagine an investor group putting together 2 Billion Dollars to put a franchise in Louisville.
May 4, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, 646empire said: Cincinnati isn’t getting a team nor do I think the city really wants one. NFL, MLB, MLS and 2 very successful college basketball programs and an emerging College Football power heading to the Big 12 is enough. Louisville isn’t really in a race for one either, I can’t imagine an investor group putting together 2 Billion Dollars to put a franchise in Louisville. Louisville will never get a team simply because UL does not want a team there.The arena lease is theirs.
May 4, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, ucnum1 said: Louisville will never get a team simply because UL does not want a team there.The arena lease is theirs. If Louisville was truly in the running for a franchise UofL in the end would have no choice and be forced to make lease adjustments. It’s a public university and there is no way in hell the public down there would tolerate that university blocking it’s chance at an NBA team. They would come to an agreement.
May 4, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, 646empire said: If Louisville was truly in the running for a franchise UofL in the end would have no choice and be forced to make lease adjustments. It’s a public university and there is no way in hell the public down there would tolerate that university blocking it’s chance at an NBA team. They would come to an agreement. Not the case he university already quashed the cities expansion efforts a decade ago when they built YUM center.Its in the lease UL can be the only primary tenant in the arena.It wouldn't have been built without UL being the primary and only tenant
May 4, 20223 yr 34 minutes ago, ucnum1 said: Not the case he university already quashed the cities expansion efforts a decade ago when they built YUM center.Its in the lease UL can be the only primary tenant in the arena.It wouldn't have been built without UL being the primary and only tenant This isn’t true. I’ve followed this for a long time. The University didn’t quash anything lol. As a matter a fact the University has never come out saying it is against or would attempt to block an NBA team, that would be a public relations disaster. That arena was specifically designed and built to some day house a pro team. Otherwise they could have built a very nice college arena for much less money. The biggest issue is who would control certain pieces of revenue on game days and in particular Suite revenue. Take a look at the article below. If U of L quashed things 10 years ago people wouldn’t be still talking about Louisville as a possible expansion city. Louisville isn’t going to build a 2nd arena LOL.: “The main challenge here is overcoming a lease that's geared toward accommodating the University of Louisville. It's likely significant changes would have to be made through a renegotiation before another team could regularly use the arena.” “The licensees of those suites also have the right of first refusal to buy tickets for the seats outside the suites to concerts and other events at the KFC Yum Center, a right a prospective NBA franchise would be unlikely to forgo. An NBA team looking to share the KFC Yum Center would likely want the university to give up rights to the suites for NBA home games.” ”Scott C. Cox, chairman of the Louisville Arena Authority, added Friday that “We would not be an impediment” to an NBA franchise, and that the arena could incorporate home playing dates for a potential NBA franchise.” https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/344124002 Edited May 4, 20223 yr by 646empire
May 4, 20223 yr Louisville has even less chance then Cincy of getting an NBA team. And Cincy has a 0% chance.
May 4, 20223 yr Yes so have I Pitino wanted no part of sharing the facility nor did the UL athletic department.Why would they want to share a facility where thier the primary tenant.Big payoff by a team perhaps but highly doubtful.
May 4, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, ucnum1 said: Yes so have I Pitino wanted no part of sharing the facility nor did the UL athletic department.Why would they want to share a facility where thier the primary tenant.Big payoff by a team perhaps but highly doubtful. But how the University’s Athletics department and the now long gone Pitino felt/feels behind the scenes on added competition in that market and sharing the arena is irrelevant to my point, Which is IF* (not happening) a NBA franchise was coming to Louisville they would be setting up shop at KFC Yum Center regardless of if the Cardinals like it or not, the city government and public opinion would make sure of it. I’m sure the NBA franchise would throw in some sweeteners such as new technology and flashy renovations at their expense but the lease would be re-done. Anyway back to Cincinnati… haha
May 4, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, Cincy513 said: Louisville has even less chance then Cincy of getting an NBA team. And Cincy has a 0% chance. Pretty much.
May 5, 20223 yr I think it's interesting that Elevar pre-maturely released renderings way back when and then got cease and desisted. Then FCC was talking to many developers around town but nothing solid, and now with the move of Chad from Towne Properties it makes me wonder if behind the scenes things are moving forward with a (non Towne) developer and he wanted to be part of it.
May 5, 20223 yr Change of subject, but Sam Adams is now cutting into the side of the addition they just painted and finished up last year. I really hope they are doing something more to this prominent corner because it's ugly.
May 5, 20223 yr I have convinced myself they intentionally left this corner empty and are planning something substantial for the future. Such a prime location. Would be a shame if it was just for more loading and receiving and not something that picks up on the increasing pedestrian activity at this intersection. Why wouldn't they move their tap room across the street? Their location at Findlay is great, and I love the pocket plaza they have, but I can only imagine this corner would be better... especially with an opportunity for rooftop anything. Edited May 5, 20223 yr by Chas Wiederhold
May 5, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, Jimmy Skinner said: Maybe, but Sam Adams does not own the corner lot. How peculiar! Who are the Kenkel's?
May 5, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said: How peculiar! Who are the Kenkel's? Some family holding out for a bigger pay day.
May 5, 20223 yr Based on the address listed (651 Evans Street) it is the same family that owns Tri-State Building Supply. The same folks who got a big payday with the TQL Stadium land acquisitions.
June 3, 20223 yr Tri-State projects funded by the Ohio General Assembly Another local project listed in this article; $1 million for the Port of Greater Cincinnati’s redevelopment of the Regal Theatre in the West End.
June 9, 20223 yr On 9/10/2019 at 1:56 PM, SleepyLeroy said: Speaking of odd west end owners. Anything going on in the old Lafayette Bloom & Heberle schools? The were both (i think) purchased by the NYC guy (Zada Development Group) who fancied himself a developer but other than this post i haven't seen anything new. Maybe he is (thankfully) selling? https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lafayette-Bloom-Middle-School/1663524163889358?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARBRNF4oWx48R4T0qhXnCWX5cx08JQ8uKqCrPtlEh3SVkbfl1m58FJiOfpTi_25W5UMFJ_53f6YBOyMQ&hc_ref=ARQiWcQEwosbAcyHHnM-cO9m7qU3WPe6psD6_nIB4IG6zybf91FKvRuOhmpXomMVQC4&fref=tag&__xts__[0]=68.ARBbWqmKCILlNqtuKpKaPkDCnogNWi3AQ9DA7CWOkXr_njVItt1KYCtomrzWJ06lUlhvmIHfpYG7i_HUUjA7eOJKSPodpzk04Txbe0o6nmOhZxcKIXViuji_isn_gzeOjIDfNWcFCbTIkKqqNJuwuZHGQ3FVSQ9GDzm0boA0kEvTOJ6VbOc-Norx8w0gcl31Vefb74tkPta-5sfO6GGOGzEtK6vEpi_-X3AS36hflgVwVHYTzGVYuGY1RUKM_JJiNRxEEPEKJOWAKO6ye0WD0AGr-efFv_Shqh5f8DEQMmLq-PLBvA4s2ReJK-Gt This is from 2017 for Bloom http://heberlelofts.com/#CONTACT This project may be finally moving forward...? Quote Former Cincinnati Public Schools building in West End to be acquired, converted to market-rate housing The former Lafayette Bloom School in Cincinnati’s West End will be acquired and converted to market-rate residential housing by the Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority.
June 9, 20223 yr ^Better to have it in the Port's hands rather than the out-of-state investor who never made any headway.
June 9, 20223 yr That Zada group was never going to move ahead, I'm glad it is in competent hands now. I looked into them years ago and other than some instagram pics of fancy travel and Lambos it looked like the primary business was a tile/counter shop in (i think, it's been a while) Long Island, NY. They had big dreams and egos and watched to many episodes of Million Dollar Listing.
June 10, 20223 yr Doesn't Zada own Heberle on Freeman as well? Sure would be double nice if the Port picked that one up too.
July 7, 20222 yr On 5/3/2022 at 4:51 PM, taestell said: Very interesting... It looks like we now have a serious proposal for redeveloping the Crosley Telecommunications Center (WCET/WVXU) block, or rather building a new development around the existing office building. Hines plans $100 million project next to Music Hall Hines, a Houston-based private company that invests in and develops real estate, is interested in redeveloping the current home of CET, Cincinnati’s public television station, and Town Center Garage. The company is proposing a development that could include 360 apartments, 8,000 square feet of retail or gallery space, a new parking garage for hundreds of cars, and renovated space for CET, according to a concept plan the Business Courierreceived via a public records request from the city of Cincinnati. The estimated cost of this development would be more than $100 million. I just noticed this study was posted online. It was conducted by Walker Consultants and analyzes the financial implications of building a new garage as part of this proposed development on the CET / Town Center site: https://cincyezpark.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/TownCenterGarage_WalkerAnalysis_FINAL_03.09.22-updated-05.02.22.pdf
July 7, 20222 yr 4 hours ago, jwulsin said: I just noticed this study was posted online. It was conducted by Walker Consultants and analyzes the financial implications of building a new garage as part of this proposed development on the CET / Town Center site: https://cincyezpark.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/TownCenterGarage_WalkerAnalysis_FINAL_03.09.22-updated-05.02.22.pdf Fixing a hideous block and enabling the creation of ~360 units is nothing to sneeze at. This could be majorly impactful for connecting OTR and West End.
July 7, 20222 yr Aglamesis, one of Cincinnati’s most iconic brands, plans first expansion in 50 years Quote Cincinnati’s Aglamesis Brothers is expanding its footprint for the first time in more than 50 years with plans to open a new production facility in town. The move could eventually open the door to new neighborhood shops for the iconic ice cream and candy brand. Aglamesis, known for its small-batch gourmet chocolates and premium ice creams, will open a 7,000-square-foot chocolate manufacturing facility in the West End. The project represents close to a $1 million investment, Randy Young, president and CEO of Aglamesis, told me. Operations could start by late fall. ... The manufacturing facility is located at 1752 Central Ave., just down the street from FC Cincinnati's TQL Stadium. Young purchased the property from the Costa Produce Company in 2018 for $158,000, according to Hamilton County records. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/07/07/aglamesis-to-expand-west-end.html
July 11, 20222 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/07/11/josh-heuser-fcc-hotel.html article doesn’t mention where this new fc Cincinnati hotel will be. Y’all have any ideas?
July 11, 20222 yr 22 minutes ago, Troeros2 said: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/07/11/josh-heuser-fcc-hotel.html article doesn’t mention where this new fc Cincinnati hotel will be. Y’all have any ideas? It said north of the stadium. I am assuming along Liberty where the church was. Could also be right next to the stadium along Central but the Liberty one seems more probable. Hopefully we’ll be seeing at least 7 floors. But this is also why the other hotel along central keeps getting denied. This area could easily house 2 hotels.
July 11, 20222 yr 6 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said: Could also be right next to the stadium along Central Pet peeve of mine... need to specify "Ave" vs "Parkway". There's a parcel right next to the new garage where Central Ave terminates into the northern side of the stadium that could be big enough for a hotel. There also is plenty of space fronting Central Parkway. Will be interesting to see how the site plans come together. Edited July 11, 20222 yr by jwulsin
July 11, 20222 yr does anyone know if fcc ownership still plans to do their banks destination area next to the stadium like previously rumored? Or is an arena supposed to go there now? Kind of confused what’s the overall site plan future
July 11, 20222 yr It says the hotel will be along Central Parkway, just north of TQL Stadium. No mention of timing on though, hopefully construction starts before the end of the year. A hotel (or multiple) in this area I think will do really well.
July 11, 20222 yr Immediate lot north of TQL 150 rooms rooftop bar restaurant ect.150 rooms seems to equal 6 or 7 stories open late 2023 per enquirer
July 11, 20222 yr Just now, Troeros2 said: does anyone know if fcc ownership still plans to do their banks destination area next to the stadium like previously rumored? Or is an arena supposed to go there now? Kind of confused what’s the overall site plan future I don't think they own enough land right now to fit an arena. I think they'd love a new arena to be located close to them though so their development will generate more profits. The town center garage block would be where a new arena could potentially fit nearby. New land created by the new bridge could also be an option. But that's not super close to TQL and also has the million hoops it needs to jump through before it becomes a reality.
July 11, 20222 yr I'm guessing this hotel is going to go where the current surface lot is that used to be the ballet's?
July 11, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Cincy513 said: I'm guessing this hotel is going to go where the current surface lot is that used to be the ballet's? Assuming this is the lot they are going to be building on.
July 12, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said: Assuming this is the lot they are going to be building on. Im thinking the architecture should be pretty good if this is the site. I can’t imagine they put up a cheap cookie cutter design along their famed light up “fins”. Also as I posted in the FC Cincy thread the team has officially put in a bid for a MLS All Star game in the near future, Im sure the team wants this completed asap. Edited July 12, 20222 yr by 646empire
July 12, 20222 yr 6 hours ago, ucnum1 said: Immediate lot north of TQL 150 rooms rooftop bar restaurant ect.150 rooms seems to equal 6 or 7 stories open late 2023 per enquirer “Heuser’s company The Compendium, LLC is behind the hotel project. It will be his first. It's scheduled to open in late 2024.”
July 12, 20222 yr Doesn't FCC own more land around the stadium. I thought this hotel would be at the CET building site
July 12, 20222 yr Well the rumors I heard were true like I mentioned earlier this summer, this is why the other hotel project has been struggling to be approved and get off the ground on Central across from the stadium...
July 12, 20222 yr 49 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said: Doesn't FCC own more land around the stadium. I thought this hotel would be at the CET building site They don't own the CET building site. They only own land north of the stadium. The below graphic shows what they own from an old enquirer article.
July 12, 20222 yr It very well could go at site D in the image, but I would not be surprised if it goes on plot A, B, or north of A. I have no insight in this, and the graphic is helpful, but just remember that this was just a concept plan basically. This might have changed from the initial vision.
July 12, 20222 yr 18 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Well the rumors I heard were true like I mentioned earlier this summer, this is why the other hotel project has been struggling to be approved and get off the ground on Central across from the stadium... I don't think this is true. FCC officials have no problem with another hotel in the area. In fact, my understanding is that they would welcome it. The other hotel has been delayed because of the "historic" building they want to demolish to build it.
July 12, 20222 yr 38 minutes ago, ryanlammi said: It very well could go at site D in the image, but I would not be surprised if it goes on plot A, B, or north of A. I have no insight in this, and the graphic is helpful, but just remember that this was just a concept plan basically. This might have changed from the initial vision. Reading thru the article it doesn’t imply sites a or b are options. They say it will be along central and site d has always been planned as a possible hotel. Also sites a and b would be really odd for a hotel as they sit towards the back in odd positioning. I’ve been back there by the garage and it feels really weird especially at night and a single hotel wouldn’t change that at all. Edited July 12, 20222 yr by 646empire
July 12, 20222 yr My guess for the hotel site where the ballet building is (“C” in the image above.) doesn’t make sense to renovate the TriState warehouse into office with an empty ballet building attached. Plus it would be prominent location with perhaps some cool views down Liberty Street www.cincinnatiideas.com
July 12, 20222 yr They have said the renovation of the tristate warehouse won't begin until they sign a tenant(s), so who knows when or if that will happen.
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