July 12, 20222 yr 53 minutes ago, Cincy513 said: They have said the renovation of the tristate warehouse won't begin until they sign a tenant(s), so who knows when or if that will happen. yeah I saw that, I think by waiting for an office tenant they risk losing their forward momentum. I would think this kind of office space would compete with 180 Walnut and the Innovation District www.cincinnatiideas.com
July 12, 20222 yr 48 minutes ago, thebillshark said: I would think this kind of office space would compete with 180 Walnut and the Innovation District Is 180 Walnut on the table anymore? I thought they were full speed ahead and going to break ground 1st qtr this year and have not heard anything.
July 12, 20222 yr 17 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Is 180 Walnut on the table anymore? I thought they were full speed ahead and going to break ground 1st qtr this year and have not heard anything. Dallas developer has shelved the project until further notice.
July 12, 20222 yr 18 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Dallas developer has shelved the project until further notice. lol, I figured it wasnt happening especially when The Foundry scooped up big tenants first.
July 15, 20222 yr I don't think so... Recently, there was a business trying to open up in Mt. Washington but couldn't because it didn't own off-street parking as required by the zoning code. City planning's suggestion was for the community groups to ask for the creation of an Urban Parking Overlay, which they did. It's possible that this is a similar situation, which would be good, as it indicates that city planning is interested in modern solutions.
July 20, 20222 yr On 7/15/2022 at 5:47 PM, Dev said: I don't think so... Recently, there was a business trying to open up in Mt. Washington but couldn't because it didn't own off-street parking as required by the zoning code. City planning's suggestion was for the community groups to ask for the creation of an Urban Parking Overlay, which they did. It's possible that this is a similar situation, which would be good, as it indicates that city planning is interested in modern solutions. This appears to be the case. On the city's page for the public engagement session, there is a letter of support from the West End Community Council for the West End Sports Bar & Grill at 17231726 Linn Street. It look like this address does not exist, though 1721 Linn appears to be at the southwest corner of the Findlay intersection. I read that wrong. It's 1726 Linn Street, the former site of Parktown Cafe and a mattress store. There appears to be 8 parking spots on the side of the building but from the description in the letter, that will be converted into an outdoor patio of some type. Edited July 20, 20222 yr by Dev
July 20, 20222 yr Yep, the urban parking overlays eliminate all off-street parking requirements within their boundaries. Mt. Washington and Camp Washington have created them. Northside and College Hill have shown interest. There might be other neighborhoods I'm not aware of.
August 22, 20222 yr Cincinnati eliminates some parking requirements in the West End The approximately 6,000 residents of the West End have only one choice inside their neighborhood if they want to eat at a dine-in restaurant. The neighborhood hopes to change that, in part, by removing parking requirements in its sparsely occupied business district, generally along Linn Street. On Friday, the Cincinnati Planning Commission OK’d removing city parking requirements in non-residential spaces along Linn Street, with the hope of enticing more businesses to give the West End a look. The ordinance now heads to the City Council for a vote. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/08/22/west-end-parking-rules.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
October 25, 20222 yr City of Cincinnati announces $11.5 million apartment project, first to be built with affordable housing trust Cincinnati and two developers are planning a new, 62-unit apartment building in the West End, the first to be built using money from the city’s affordable housing trust fund. But some community leaders in the West End have questioned this project and other low-income housing projects, saying they ignore research that warns against concentrating poverty in neighborhoods. The neighborhood has more subsidized housing than any of Cincinnati’s other 51 neighborhoods, they say. Slater Hall, to be built in a vacant lot at 898 W. Court St., will have 62 efficiency units targeted toward people with mental illness. Tenants will pay no more than 30% of their income in rent, but may have no income at all. Tenants likely will have experienced both homelessness and mental illness. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/10/25/slater-hall-affordable-housing-west-end.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
October 25, 20222 yr Here’s the rendering for the project. https://ohiohome.org/ppd/proposals/2021/PermanentSupportive/SlaterHall.pdf
November 11, 20222 yr Cincinnati seeks development proposals for Town Center Garage By Abby Miller – Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier Nov 11, 2022 The city of Cincinnati is looking for redevelopment plans for a large piece of property located near Music Hall. A request for proposals for the Town Center Garage site was issued by the city’s department of community and economic development Sept. 14, months after a national developer made known its interest in redeveloping the site. The Town Center site is a total of 147,000 square feet located at 1251 Central Ave. The land and Town Center Parking garage are owned by the city of Cincinnati. CET, Cincinnati’s public television station, owns the air rights to its building. MORE
December 21, 20222 yr On 6/10/2022 at 10:47 AM, oakiehigh said: Doesn't Zada own Heberle on Freeman as well? Sure would be double nice if the Port picked that one up too. https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/2015-Freeman-Ave-Cincinnati-OH/25984665/ Came across this on LoopNet, looks like Zada is now trying to market this as loft office/retail space instead of their original plan for 59 residential condominiums.
December 21, 20222 yr Oh crap dont get me started on Zada again. I looked them up recently because of an Instagram Post on Midwest Modern of Bloom and it looked to me like the address of 'ZADA Development' had changed from the original small kitchen rehab shop on Staten Island NY to a small real estate shop on Staten island. These folk are playing games and will never do anything to those schools. The city needs to put pressure on them to do something or sell to someone who will. Just checked the LoopNet- dont know who is that address they print that is in Manhattan. I think the son who owned this project is playing off the old man's name and business success and is too busy partying based on his social media to care about anything here. Edited December 21, 20222 yr by SleepyLeroy Wrong Island
December 21, 20222 yr A couple of projects in the West End were recently awarded Historic Tax Credits. Here's the press release: https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/OHIOGOVERNOR/2022/12/20/file_attachments/2359968/OHPTCP SW Region.pdf 1121 Dayton Street (Cincinnati) Total Project Cost: $879,925 Total Tax Credit: $211,731 Address: 1121 Dayton St. 1121 Dayton St., originally built in 1867, is a brick building in the Dayton Street Historic District, formerly known as "Millionaire's Row". Previously inhabited by carpenters, lithographers, and coachmen, this currently vacant building will once again house four residential units. Mietenkoetter House (Cincinnati) Total Project Cost: $638,450 Total Tax Credit: $125,000 Address: 2008 Colerain Ave. Constructed in 1890, the Mietenkotter House is a brick building in the Dayton Street Historic District, formerly known as "Millionaire's Row". Originally a single-family residence, the building was transitioned into a multi-family home before vacancy. After rehabilitation, the building will once again house 3 multi-family residential units. Rehabilitation efforts will preserve the historic fabric, such as stone windowsills, pocket doors and fireplace mantels.
January 5, 20232 yr The Loopnet listing for the Heberle School looks like it was written by a bot (office? retail? residential? The bot can't make its mind up!): https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/2015-Freeman-Ave-Cincinnati-OH/25984665/?utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=retargetingad&utm_content=696898fdd02749b398090b0ee7b6482d%23%23b3e472131ea442848a8de92c69bc5d11 The city needs to bury the power lines:
January 5, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, Lazarus said: The Loopnet listing for the Heberle School looks like it was written by a bot (office? retail? residential? The bot can't make its mind up!): https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/2015-Freeman-Ave-Cincinnati-OH/25984665/?utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=retargetingad&utm_content=696898fdd02749b398090b0ee7b6482d%23%23b3e472131ea442848a8de92c69bc5d11 The city needs to bury the power lines: So I just ran it through Chat GPT: Welcome to the West End of Cincinnati, Ohio! This unique property offers a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to own a piece of history. The former inner city school is located in a low-income, disadvantaged neighborhood, providing an opportunity for community development and revitalization. The property sits on a large lot, providing ample space for parking, outdoor recreation, and potential expansion. The main building features a sturdy brick exterior and multiple floors, with a mix of classrooms, offices, and common areas. The property also includes a playground and basketball courts, making it a perfect spot for community events and gatherings. Despite its age, the property has been well-maintained and is ready for its next chapter. With a little TLC, this property has the potential to be transformed into a community center, charter school, or even a mixed-use development. The West End of Cincinnati is a diverse and vibrant community, with a rich history and a bright future. This property is an exciting opportunity for a visionary developer or investor to make a difference and leave a lasting impact. Don't miss out on this rare opportunity – call today to schedule a showing! “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
January 5, 20232 yr The city has been doing extensive water works around these streets the last few months replacing pipes and a water main, etc. I wonder if they're preparing for one or both of these big projects to come online soon? Lots of activity in these few blocks ongoing with residential homes as well.
February 6, 20232 yr https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/west-end/fc-cincinnati-to-begin-demolition-of-west-end-block-of-former-ballet-building-brewery-to-make-way-for-development Demolition of the ballet building will be starting on Wednesday. Mentions the demolition of the tri state whole sale building as well. Assuming those plans for renovation of that building into offices is no longer on the table. Edited February 6, 20232 yr by Ucgrad2015
February 6, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said: https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/west-end/fc-cincinnati-to-begin-demolition-of-west-end-block-of-former-ballet-building-brewery-to-make-way-for-development Demolition of the ballet building will be starting on Wednesday. Finally seeing this development start. Bummer that the brewery building face is coming down.
February 6, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said: https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/west-end/fc-cincinnati-to-begin-demolition-of-west-end-block-of-former-ballet-building-brewery-to-make-way-for-development Demolition of the ballet building will be starting on Wednesday. Mentions the demolition of the tri state whole sale building as well. Assuming those plans for renovation of that building into offices is no longer on the table. ...the old bait & switch from Lindner and Berding.
February 6, 20232 yr They marketed the brewery building for office space for over a year and I'm sure got no takers. That's not a business you want to be in post covid. Hotel and apartment buildings with retail on the ground floor is much more lucrative and needed in that area.
February 8, 20232 yr FC Cincinnati begins work on $300 million mixed-use project, will include hotel by Compendium FC Cincinnati will begin demolition today for a $300 million mixed-use project it’s developing just north of its TQL Stadium home in the West End. FC Cincinnati expects the project on the 8.5-acre site to include a hotel, apartments, office space, retail, restaurants and a privately owned public green space. But nothing has been formally decided, Chad Munitz, FC Cincinnati's chief development officer, told me. The project will be built at the southwest corner of Central Parkway and Wade Street. It calls for demolishing three long-vacant buildings at Central Parkway and Liberty Street: the former Cincinnati Ballet building, the former Tri-State Wholesale Building Supplies building and a vacant building that housed a brewery years ago. The Cincinnati Ballet moved to a new building on Gilbert Avenue in 2021. Tri-State moved to Lower Price Hill in 2018. FC Cincinnati has decided to demolish the Tri-State warehouse building rather than convert it to an office building, as had been previously planned. That's because of lack of demand for office space following the Covid-19 pandemic, Munitz said. FC Cincinnati's owners have planned to develop a mixed-use project on the site since they began to build the $250 million TQL Stadium in the West End. The stadium opened in 2021. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/02/08/fc-cincinnati-begins-work-on-300-million-project.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 8, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: FC Cincinnati begins work on $300 million mixed-use project, will include hotel by Compendium FC Cincinnati will begin demolition today for a $300 million mixed-use project it’s developing just north of its TQL Stadium home in the West End. FC Cincinnati expects the project on the 8.5-acre site to include a hotel, apartments, office space, retail, restaurants and a privately owned public green space. But nothing has been formally decided, Chad Munitz, FC Cincinnati's chief development officer, told me. The project will be built at the southwest corner of Central Parkway and Wade Street. It calls for demolishing three long-vacant buildings at Central Parkway and Liberty Street: the former Cincinnati Ballet building, the former Tri-State Wholesale Building Supplies building and a vacant building that housed a brewery years ago. The Cincinnati Ballet moved to a new building on Gilbert Avenue in 2021. Tri-State moved to Lower Price Hill in 2018. FC Cincinnati has decided to demolish the Tri-State warehouse building rather than convert it to an office building, as had been previously planned. That's because of lack of demand for office space following the Covid-19 pandemic, Munitz said. FC Cincinnati's owners have planned to develop a mixed-use project on the site since they began to build the $250 million TQL Stadium in the West End. The stadium opened in 2021. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/02/08/fc-cincinnati-begins-work-on-300-million-project.html When they mention hotel I wonder if they are referring to the one that will butt up right next to the stadium or are they planning on putting it on the plot that currently has the old tri state warehouse?
February 8, 20232 yr 52 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said: When they mention hotel I wonder if they are referring to the one that will butt up right next to the stadium or are they planning on putting it on the plot that currently has the old tri state warehouse? They are referring to the hotel that will be right up next to the stadium and does not need any of the space from this new demolition site from what I understand(unless that has changed). But im not sure how the layout/landscaping/hotel entrance and such will situated? I can see that being a reason you want these buildings gone now.
February 8, 20232 yr Rather disingenuous to call them "Long Vacant" buildings, considering the only reason TriState and the Ballet moved were because FC Cincy bought them out.
February 9, 20232 yr FC Cincinnati's co-CEO Jeff Berding details plans for $300 million development FC Cincinnati will likely proceed first with the hotel portion of its $300 million project, co-CEO Jeff Berding indicated Wednesday as the team began site demolition. “We’re furthest along with the hotel,” Berding told me. “We still have to announce an architect and that will help guide us on what those next phases are.” FC Cincinnati began work Wednesday on the project just north of its TQL Stadium home in the West End. The project will be built at the southwest corner of Central Parkway and Liberty Street. It calls for demolishing three long-vacant buildings: the former Cincinnati Ballet building, the former Tri-State Wholesale Building Supplies building and a vacant building that housed a brewery years ago. The Cincinnati Ballet moved to a new building on Gilbert Avenue in 2021. Tri-State moved to Lower Price Hill in 2018. The project also will include apartments, office space, retail, restaurants, a sports betting site with a sports bar and a privately owned public green space, Berding said. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/02/08/fc-cincinnatis-berding-details-plans-for-project.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 7, 20232 yr Here's how much FC Cincinnati committed to West End benefits agreements in 2022 FC Cincinnati released a report last week outlining how much its foundation invested in the West End in 2022 as part of the community benefits agreement. The report details a $2 million investment in programs and initiatives by the FC Cincinnati Foundation. The investment is part of an agreement the team signed in 2018 with the Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority and West End Community Council to support the neighborhood around the team’s TQL Stadium. The 30-year agreement is valued at more than $50 million. Here are a few highlights of what the foundation did last year: Continued the West End Pride youth soccer program, with 357 participants across the fall and spring Served 4,460 children through FCC’s Soccer Unites, an in-school and after-school soccer instruction program Completed seven of 10 mini pitches (youth soccer fields) Distributed the fourth annual installment of $100,000 in grant funding for nonprofit organizations in the West End Continued job training opportunities for West End residents with a culinary program at CityLink and introduced in partnership with Levy, the TQL Stadium concessionaire More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/03/07/fc-cincinnati-details-how-much-it-committed-to-wes.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 8, 20232 yr https://local12.com/news/local/jacked-up-over-redevelopment-local-tire-shop-sues-city-port-authority-fc-cincinnati-liberty-used-tires-mls-soccer-tql-stadium-west-end-ahmad-hmoud-city-of-cincinnati-ohio# Owner of the tire shop that will be torn down for FC development is suing Fc Cincinnati, the Port and the city.
April 8, 20232 yr Its a TIRE SHOP. Its been there 6 years. He's on a month to month lease. Just trying to get some money out of the deal Hmoud said .. he would consider moving if the defendants would consider paying for his move.
April 8, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Jimmy Skinner said: Its a TIRE SHOP. Its been there 6 years. He's on a month to month lease. Just trying to get some money out of the deal Hmoud said .. he would consider moving if the defendants would consider paying for his move. The landlord even offered him money and doubled it but he declined. My assumption is he’s just wanting the money and doesn’t really care about his tire business.
April 8, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said: The landlord even offered him money and doubled it but he declined. My assumption is he’s just wanting the money and doesn’t really care about his tire business. 2 hours ago, Jimmy Skinner said: Its a TIRE SHOP. Its been there 6 years. He's on a month to month lease. Just trying to get some money out of the deal Hmoud said .. he would consider moving if the defendants would consider paying for his move. More important than it being a tire shop. HE IS A RENTER on a MONTH TO MONTH Lease. He is at the will of the property owner. THis is why most businesses do not like month to month leases because they can be cancelled anytime and one of the most important things to a business like that is consistency of location. When he was not offered a longer lease, he should have realized that it was time to start looking for a new location because he could be shut down pretty quickly at the will of the property owner. (or have his rent jacked). I do not see where he has any rights here. He is a commercial business so he does not get the same sympathy a residential renter who has their lease terminated would have.
April 9, 20232 yr BTW, I last talked to the guy who owns this building in 2018: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1127832,-84.5231072,3a,75y,41.79h,101.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8yd9F1hzWcuLjdf1e99Z6g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 He owned the building and vowed that he wasn't going to move until his mother, who also lived there, either died or had to move to a home. At the time the mom was 90, so she's not getting any younger. The guy who owns this corner lot refuses to sell: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1127352,-84.5225459,3a,75y,248.27h,102.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFdPqUUnidIJFxgoRG8USuw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
April 9, 20232 yr Speaking of The West End, here is a circa-1989 receipt from the former German toy importer located on Central Ave: Here is the building: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1202753,-84.5269684,3a,75y,350.95h,99.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5cEYpzOYYL-xk0zoV5A76Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 This shop advertised in Model Railroader magazine. They stocked LGB G-scale trains and Marklin, which made HO and Z-scale trains. I don't think that Marklin made N-scale. They were located downtown in an upper floor of The Provident Camera building on 7th St. before moving to the West End. A visit to the original store was amazing because the building still had an elevator operator through the 1980s. The space itself was very small but it had high ceilings and the guy had to get on a ladder to bring products down. It was a great example of one of those downtown importer retail businesses that had a crackle of excitement about it. About the only places remaining like that are the Jewish-run camera stores and jewelers in NYC. The West End store was less interesting, although you feared that your car was going to be broken into. I recall it measuring about 20x40 feet, so bigger than the downtown store, but less interesting, because it was at ground level and there were no library-style ladders on wheels. Also, $109.19 was a ton of money in 1989. I seem to remember that a Nintendo with Super Mario was $99.99. If you got the combined Super Mario/Duck Hunt & the gun it was $129. The track & field game + power pad pushed you up around the $170 mark.
April 9, 20232 yr When I shut down my last store in August of last year our prices for those items were: NES (no game) $99.99 Super Mario Bros. $14.99 Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt $9.99 (yes, less because it's less collectible than Mario by itself -- it was the market rather than we that made this decision) Zapper $5.99 Power Pad $14.99 Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt/World Class Track Meet $9.99
April 9, 20232 yr So the blue is what we all know will eventually all be redeveloped. I wonder if they are planning on keeping Bauer Ave. or if those plots of land will become one development. I haven’t heard much on if they are planning on redeveloping the orange section. I’ve heard about them possibly buying the police headquarters but I’m going to assume that’s years away. Also what’s the pole tower for right in front of the stadium? And how hard is it to get that moved?
April 11, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Dcs3939 said: One last look at the lagering tunnels beneath the former ballet. Is there a reason why they couldn’t save the tunnels?
April 11, 20232 yr I would suspect it's cheaper to fill them in. They were used by the ballet for storage and such until the very end. I poked around the tunnels with some friends before they closed it. I'll dig out the photos at some point.
April 11, 20232 yr 15 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said: Is there a reason why they couldn’t save the tunnels? There weren't many left in that section of the building. When the Ballet building was built they knocked in the majority of them. What was remaining were a couple short sections and the exterior walls with the outlines of cellars. There are still cellars under the parking lot across Wade Street.
April 11, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, mcmicken said: There weren't many left in that section of the building. When the Ballet building was built they knocked in the majority of them. What was remaining were a couple short sections and the exterior walls with the outlines of cellars. There are still cellars under the parking lot across Wade Street. Was there ever another level of cellars underneath the lowest level visible? I went through both the Ballet building and the Tri-State building. I couldn't find any way to access a lower level, but there was one large grate that looked like it went down really far. So I wasn't sure if there actually was another level that was just inaccessible, or if it was just horizontally larger and filled in.
April 12, 20232 yr 19 hours ago, ryanlammi said: Was there ever another level of cellars underneath the lowest level visible? I went through both the Ballet building and the Tri-State building. I couldn't find any way to access a lower level, but there was one large grate that looked like it went down really far. So I wasn't sure if there actually was another level that was just inaccessible, or if it was just horizontally larger and filled in. There was a sub basement level but almost all filled in. There was an old ventilation shaft in the Tri-State portion of the building (that was probably the one you saw) that accessed what remained of the sub basement cellars but there were only one or two 20' sections left unfilled. Only way down was a narrow ladder.
April 26, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Ucgrad2015 said: Anyone know why these vacant lots for City West haven’t been developed yet? The funding for the Hope VI program was cut by President George W. Bush more than 15 years ago. The cut happened around 2004-2006. You will see very similar townhouses next to very similar undeveloped lots in Baltimore and elsewhere. Lindner and Berding played games during the stadium site search, claiming that they were going to "give back to the community" and develop these lots for affordable housing, but nobody has held them to account.
April 26, 20232 yr Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority to acquire West End property near I-75 https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/04/26/port-acquire-west-end-property-i75.html Quote The Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority is planning to acquire what it views as a key West End property on Ezzard Charles Drive near the Interstate 75 interchange, about two blocks from TQL Stadium. The Port’s board OK’d the transaction for 820 Ezzard Charles Dr. The city of Cincinnati has allocated $2.5 million from its Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) funds to facilitate the purchase from St. Mark Outreach Center.
April 26, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, jwulsin said: Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority to acquire West End property near I-75 https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/04/26/port-acquire-west-end-property-i75.html Ooh this'll be interesting to see what gets built here. Neighborhood will put up strong opposition to affordable but I don't see how you can make market rate housing work in a census tract that is nearly all income restricted with hardly any amenities/commercial activity. City has really screwed up this area the West End.
April 26, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Lazarus said: Lindner and Berding played games during the stadium site search, claiming that they were going to "give back to the community" and develop these lots for affordable housing, but nobody has held them to account. Citation please? Either way, this isn't land that FCC owns so why would Lindner develop it? They have their own property to develop.
April 26, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said: Citation please? Either way, this isn't land that FCC owns so why would Lindner develop it? They have their own property to develop. https://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/metropolitan-housing-authority-approves-west-end-land-option-agreement-with-fc-cincinnati
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