April 26, 20232 yr Thank you. I wouldn't be surprised to see these lots filled in last. They're working on the hotel next to the stadium now and IIRC they own more lots next to TQL that will be filled in. I agree, these need to be filled in.
April 26, 20232 yr Didn't FCC swap this land for the land where the new CPS high school stadium got built? Either way it looks like the Port owns it now so the anti FCC people can send their complaints elsewhere on this topic.
April 27, 20232 yr 10 hours ago, breakground said: https://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/metropolitan-housing-authority-approves-west-end-land-option-agreement-with-fc-cincinnati I could be mistaken but that article from 2018 was just talking about FCC having *1 year option* to buy those parcels. I don’t think the purchase agreement was ever completed. As of today, CMHA still owns all the empty land along Laurel Park Dr.
April 27, 20232 yr A building just south of The Pitch has been torn down. I didn't check the address but any idea of what's going on there?
April 27, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, JaceTheAce41 said: A building just south of The Pitch has been torn down. I didn't check the address but any idea of what's going on there? Yeah the new hotel that is being proposed on Central, that was held up by Margy Waller and Danny Klinger for about a year.
April 27, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said: It's not a huge lot so I'm assuming a boutique hotel? https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/08/26/25-million-otr-hotel-lands-key-approval.html
April 27, 20232 yr 42 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said: A building just south of The Pitch has been torn down. I didn't check the address but any idea of what's going on there? From the Enquirer. To demolish or not to demolish? A timeline of the legal battle July 2021: Original request for a certificate of appropriateness for demolition and for new construction was heard and both were denied by the Cincinnati Historic Conservation Board (decision issued August 12, 2021). October 2021: The demolition denial was overturned by the Zoning Board of Appeals. December 2021: Neighbors appealed the zoning board’s decision to Hamilton County Common Pleas Court. February 2022: Property owner filed motion to dismiss the appeal for the opponents' lack of standing. May 2022: Historic Conservation Board denied a certificate of appropriateness for new construction again. August 2022: The hotel design by Luminaut was approved by the Historic Conservation Board in a 6-0 vote after being denied twice before (decision issued Oct. 5, 2022). October 2022: Court denied the motion to dismiss, concluding that the neighbors have legal standing to appeal a decision that would permit demolition on their historic street. Nov. 15: Demolition work began on the back portion of the building. Appellants informed the property owner and the city that they would be seeking a temporary restraining order the next morning. Nov. 16: The property owner received its demolition permit and immediately began demolishing the rear portion of the building. A temporary restraining order was issued against the developer to halt the demolition. Plaintiffs were required to deposit a temporary $100 bond with the clerk of courts. This was never paid. Dec. 1: The Hamilton County Common Pleas Court announced that it would extend the temporary restraining order by entering into an injunction on Monday, December 5, prohibiting the property owner from demolishing the building until a decision is reached in the case. Dec. 5: The court’s clerk emailed the injunction to the parties’ counsel, conditioned on the appellants depositing an $11,664 bond with the Clerk of Courts. Still, the initial $100 bond had not been paid, which was meant to make the new injunction effective through this date. Dec. 6: Demolition began at 12:20 p.m., the $11,664 temporary restraining order bond was paid by 12:55 p.m., and Moment ordered the demolition to stop around 1:10 p.m. The contractors left the site shortly after, leaving a demolished portion exposed to the elements until the next morning. Dec. 7: A tarp was placed over the hole in the building after a night of heavy rain.
June 13, 20232 yr Apology from people who were born in the 1970s for the city tearing down sections of the West End in the 1950s: https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/west-end/cincinnati-leaders-to-apologize-to-west-end-residents-for-historic-elimination-of-the-community
June 15, 20231 yr https://www.fox19.com/2023/06/15/fcc-advances-transformative-mixed-use-project-west-end/ The project will proceed in two phases. The first phase, to be finished by 2026, will reach westward from Central Parkway to Central Avenue. The second phase, for which there is no timeline currently, will reach all the way to John Street. The total site is around 7.5 acres.
June 15, 20231 yr FC Cincinnati names development team for West End mixed-use project FC Cincinnati has named the development team for the $300 million mixed-use project it’s building adjacent to TQL Stadium in the West End. Chicago-based construction and design firm Marquee Development will be master developer for the mixed-use district FC Cincinnati is developing on 7.5 acres it owns just north of the stadium. Marquee specializes in building and operating entertainment districts near sports and cultural venues. It developed Gallagher Way outside Wrigley Field in Chicago. Marquee was started by the owners of the Chicago Cubs and is known for thinking like owners and creating as operators. The team named Los Angeles-based Rios as its master plan architect. It aims to have Rios design the district based on the West End’s heritage. Rios has become known for architecture, landscape architecture, urban planning, interior architecture and experiential product and graphic design. Rios’ recent projects include Microsoft Square at L.A. Live, Atlanta’s Echo Street West, Sacramento Downtown Commons, 1 Hotel West Hollywood and Spotify’s Los Angeles content campus. “We are thrilled to bring the global design excellence of Rios to the West End mixed-use district,” FC Cincinnati co-CEO Jeff Berding said in a news release. “We look to Rios to create a community hub at the front steps of TQL Stadium, rooted in history and legacy, that aesthetically inspires and unites our city with a bold and inclusive vision for the future.” More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/06/15/fc-cincinnati-mixed-use-development-team-west-end.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 15, 20231 yr 6 hours ago, Pdrome513 said: https://www.fox19.com/2023/06/15/fcc-advances-transformative-mixed-use-project-west-end/ The project will proceed in two phases. The first phase, to be finished by 2026, will reach westward from Central Parkway to Central Avenue. The second phase, for which there is no timeline currently, will reach all the way to John Street. The total site is around 7.5 acres. Slide 5 & 6 from the Fox 19 report are super cool, but aren't possible. FC tore down the historic structures shown. They hate anything that's old in their way. Every word from Berdings mouth about history is always a flat out lie.
June 16, 20231 yr Not that I demand it, but I don't see West End "heritage" in these renders. Looks more like West of Amsterdam circa 1999.
June 16, 20231 yr On 4/27/2023 at 9:38 AM, jwulsin said: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/08/26/25-million-otr-hotel-lands-key-approval.html I heard that there was still a fight ongoing about whether the hotel can cross over Whetsel Alley.
June 16, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, zsnyder said: Not that I demand it, but I don't see West End "heritage" in these renders. Looks more like West of Amsterdam circa 1999. My guess is the final version will look nothing like those renders. They have the actual architect on the team now. They'll want to build their own vision.
June 16, 20231 yr Yeah I think those were just placeholders showing what could go on the land they own. I'm sure we'll get new renderings from the architect who was just announced.
June 30, 20231 yr A project in the West End received state historic tax credits in the latest round: 1015 Dayton St Total Project Cost: $2,275,900 Total Tax Credit: $250,000 Located in the historic West End neighborhood of Cincinnati, this townhouse and its two-story carriage house was constructed around 1870 in the Italianate style. The buildings are a part of the Dayton Street National Register Historic District, once a fashionable residential enclave for Cincinnati’s wealthiest residents in the late 19th century. Once renovations are complete, the property will feature one residential unit and two short term hospitality units.
June 30, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, jwulsin said: A project in the West End received state historic tax credits in the latest round: 1015 Dayton St Total Project Cost: $2,275,900 Total Tax Credit: $250,000 Located in the historic West End neighborhood of Cincinnati, this townhouse and its two-story carriage house was constructed around 1870 in the Italianate style. The buildings are a part of the Dayton Street National Register Historic District, once a fashionable residential enclave for Cincinnati’s wealthiest residents in the late 19th century. Once renovations are complete, the property will feature one residential unit and two short term hospitality units. Unless the project includes new constructionto increase the size, that is one hell of a cost/sqft renovation.
July 3, 20231 yr West End Cincinnati Catholic school closing after 176 years because of repair costs https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2023/06/30/archdiocese-closes-st-joseph-catholic-school-after-176-years/70371417007/ Quote St. Joseph Catholic School in Cincinnati’s West End will close before the start of next school year because of concerns about the safety of the building and the cost of repairing it. One of the oldest Catholic schools in Cincinnati, St. Joseph has been a fixture in the West End for 176 years. ... Schack said structural problems at the school’s building became apparent this spring, prompting the archdiocese to hire the firm to conduct the assessment. She said the engineers concluded most of the building’s mechanical systems were “at the end of their functional life” and extensive repairs, including a new roof, were needed throughout the building. The firm estimated the total cost of those repairs at $2.5 million.
July 5, 20231 yr Not to be super cynical, but if the diocese wants to sell that land, that would open a large developable lot right on the potential streetcar route to Union Terminal, which is interesting because lack of developable land is often used as the main argument against that route. On another note, there was an article on June 19th saying "FC Cincinnati will present initial sketches of its $300 million mixed-use development north of TQL stadium to the West End Community Council Tuesday as it moves forward with its plan for an entertainment and housing district in the neighborhood." Did those sketches never become public? I can't find them anywhere but I'm very curious what their site plan is since the only renderings released so far were unsolicited Elevar renderings that seemingly have nothing to do with the current development team.
July 5, 20231 yr 6 minutes ago, ucgrady said: Not to be super cynical, but if the diocese wants to sell that land, that would open a large developable lot right on the potential streetcar route to Union Terminal, which is interesting because lack of developable land is often used as the main argument against that route. The diocese typically does not own or in any way manage individual parishes or their schools. The loss of the school building and the adjacent rectory would be a big loss. Unfortunately, the original church was demolished around 1960, and the "new" church is unremarkable, which makes demolition of the whole corner property, including the school, more likely.
July 11, 20231 yr FCC released some preliminary renderings for the the development north of TQL stadium
July 11, 20231 yr really not much to go on from what I can see, but the USL's INDY 11 seem to have a much more ambitious plan around their future stadium
July 11, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, JaceTheAce41 said: FCC released some preliminary renderings for the the development north of TQL stadium The purple mass intrigues me, I wouldnt mind a taller structure on or near TQL. Could as a beacon or landmark to find the soccer stadium from afar. I am sure the NIMBY - OTR Foundation crowd will try and force it to three stories.
July 11, 20231 yr 39 minutes ago, zsnyder said: really not much to go on from what I can see, but the USL's INDY 11 seem to have a much more ambitious plan around their future stadium FC ownership has 3 phases in their long term plans.They only own the land for phase 1 to date though
July 11, 20231 yr 32 minutes ago, savadams13 said: The purple mass intrigues me, I wouldnt mind a taller structure on or near TQL. Could as a beacon or landmark to find the soccer stadium from afar. I am sure the NIMBY - OTR Foundation crowd will try and force it to three stories. Luckily it is in West End CC territory and they're very supportive of market rate development.
July 11, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, DEPACincy said: Luckily it is in West End CC territory and they're very supportive of market rate development. This is going to get ugly, isn't it?
July 11, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Dev said: This is going to get ugly, isn't it? Not sure how it can, the team owns all this 1st phase land now and demolition is already underway
July 12, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, 646empire said: Not sure how it can, the team owns all this 1st phase land now and demolition is already underway Yeah pretty sure it got rezoned planned development long ago. The time to shut this development down was during all the hullabaloo about where the FC Cincy stadium should go.
July 12, 20231 yr 12 hours ago, 646empire said: Not sure how it can, the team owns all this 1st phase land now and demolition is already underway Oh I was just referencing how different community groups will start attacking each other, over their support/opposition to the project. Although now that I think about, FCC will have to apply for a PD which will give people the opportunity to fight, and potentially delay, the project.
July 12, 20231 yr FCC ownership has the money and political willpower to push through any stupid holdup efforts from those type of people. This development will be a piece of cake compared to the process they had to go through for the stadium.
July 12, 20231 yr More details on the site plan https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5c9a73454d87117017c01508/t/6492ebb3f735ed0e6395a7bf/1687350204113/230620_WEMU_Community+Meeting_FINAL_reduced+size.pdf
July 12, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, preservationrestoration said: More details on the site plan https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5c9a73454d87117017c01508/t/6492ebb3f735ed0e6395a7bf/1687350204113/230620_WEMU_Community+Meeting_FINAL_reduced+size.pdf I would love to see some taller buildings surrounding TQL. The hotel seems like it’ll be the first thing that will get built and I hope the height of this building stays the same! Hell even make it taller!
July 13, 20231 yr This plan looks like Ovation. They have replaced a real urban area with drive-to urbanism. Hey, let's continue to ignore the presence of a goddamn subway station right next to the stadium.
July 13, 20231 yr One of the few times I actually agree with the community on their development ideas.
July 13, 20231 yr Smart that they significantly decreased the amount of office space. I suspect the team itself will take most if not all of the ~60k sf they now have planned. We need residential and hotel space here. If office space ever comes back more can included in future plans.
July 13, 20231 yr 23 minutes ago, Cincy513 said: Smart that they significantly decreased the amount of office space. I suspect the team itself will take most if not all of the ~60k sf they now have planned. We need residential and hotel space here. If office space ever comes back more can included in future plans. Wonder if that office space will be mostly taken up by the FC CIncinnati front office.
July 13, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, Ucgrad2015 said: Wonder if that office space will be mostly taken up by the FC CIncinnati front office. The team still rents space downtown on 4th where the old team store was for the back office employees. Not sure how much space they have there but I assume all of it will move to the stadium once this development is finished.
July 13, 20231 yr Does anyone have any idea what the orange "Entertainment Venue" by the garage is supposed to be? I am guessing that with the acquisitions on Bauer and Liberty this is a potential arena location. “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
July 13, 20231 yr 14 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said: I would love to see some taller buildings surrounding TQL. The hotel seems like it’ll be the first thing that will get built and I hope the height of this building stays the same! Hell even make it taller! I'm curious why the office building is so short. Why not add half a dozen residential floors on top of the office??? 8 hours ago, Lazarus said: This plan looks like Ovation. They have replaced a real urban area with drive-to urbanism. I think that shipped sailed when they built the garage but you are right, they cannot make this some kind of pocket neighborhood that is not integrated in the surrounding communities. It's probably really unlikely but a grocery store would certainly help with that a lot. ------ I am curious about the open space along the street frontage is on Central right by the Liberty intersection. My impression has been that the intersection is really hostile so I am worried that the open area will be empty most days when there isn't a game or event. Hopefully the redesign of the parkway will be able to mitigate that.
July 13, 20231 yr Why does Liberty bend like it does between Central Parkway and Central Ave? @JYP The "entertainment venue" site is way too small for a new arena as shown. As shown, I expect something that has to do with sports betting or a public indoor sports facility of some kind. Now... if this is just a teaser and there is something larger at play, an area could absolutely fit between Central, John, Liberty, and the parking garage north of TQL. I'm not endorsing that idea... I'm just suggesting that there is the space for it.
July 13, 20231 yr I find it hard to believe a 15,000+ seat arena could fit in this area. Would love to be proven wrong though as putting an arena on land the team already owns will be a lot easier then needing to get the CET garage site (which I'm also not sure is big enough for an arena).
July 13, 20231 yr 17 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said: Why does Liberty bend like it does between Central Parkway and Central Ave? When Liberty was widened, the width was taken from the south side, except for this one block. That was to prevent conflicts from the Tri-State Wholesale warehouse that was just demolished. 17 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said: @JYP The "entertainment venue" site is way too small for a new arena as shown. As shown, I expect something that has to do with sports betting or a public indoor sports facility of some kind. E-sports?
July 13, 20231 yr I do appreciate the way they're incorporating a new entrance into the stadium from this plaza and adding to their concourse.
July 13, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, Cincy513 said: I find it hard to believe a 15,000+ seat arena could fit in this area. Would love to be proven wrong though as putting an arena on land the team already owns will be a lot easier then needing to get the CET garage site (which I'm also not sure is big enough for an arena). you may be right. Heritage is 140,000sf and houses 17,000+ and this site is 120,000sf. It would be dense if it worked.
July 13, 20231 yr I’m going to assume that the retail fronting Central Parkway will be their team store since the current location is in the way of this development.
July 14, 20231 yr FC's mixed use project looks to be a boon for Findlay Market neighborhood economic development certainly and I suppose for the West End as well, maybe less directly. Does anyone have a recap on the initial FC: West End community agreement status and what was tangibly contracted/built? At one time a series of infill homes were to be built but no evidence to date. It would just seem to be a good time to drop $2.5m on St. Joe's school to keep it open or some similar gesture for the community.
July 14, 20231 yr It looks great. Lots of buildings and at least one is taller than five stories. Damn. Cincinnati will be dragged into the 21c whether we like it or not. Liberty and central parkway was the ugliest corner in downtown and soon it will be the talk of the town.
July 14, 20231 yr I'm late on this, but I love the addition of a good sized hotel right on this site. OTR has such strict historic guidelines (not complaining, it's just a fact) that utilizing West End's lack of height limits is really smart and something I think is necessary to keep OTR moving in the right direction. I know we don't want OTR to become the French Quarter, but I think increased tourism to the neighborhood is necessary to make OTR a fully thriving neighborhood with the density of businesses, retail, breweries etc. that it once had.
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