October 20, 20204 yr Somebody is trying to get $120k for a shell in the 500-block of York: https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1680351/532-York-Cincinnati-OH-45214 What I found crazy about this listing is the phrase "value is in the land". Are they insinuating that a vacant lot in the West End near Dayton St. is worth $120k? If so they're about $100k over on that claim. Nobody has paid $20k for a vacant lot in that part of the West End, ever. The most was $15,000 in 2019 for a narrow 15x100 corner lot at 1816 Baymiller.
October 20, 20204 yr I didn't get to take a photo, but the new Sam Adams addition at the corner of Liberty and Central Parkways is pretty substantial. Does anybody have renderings showing the plans? Will it only be for manufacturing, or are they planning on doing tours/tastings? Obviously, they have the taproom right across the street so I wouldn't expect them to want to eat into that business.
October 20, 20204 yr 10 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said: Somebody is trying to get $120k for a shell in the 500-block of York: https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1680351/532-York-Cincinnati-OH-45214 What I found crazy about this listing is the phrase "value is in the land". Are they insinuating that a vacant lot in the West End near Dayton St. is worth $120k? If so they're about $100k over on that claim. Nobody has paid $20k for a vacant lot in that part of the West End, ever. The most was $15,000 in 2019 for a narrow 15x100 corner lot at 1816 Baymiller. I've never been inside, but I love the exterior of that building (especially the side entry) so it's a shame it's only being marketed for the land. Here's a sketch from the auditor's site, showing the footprint. The main building is 2 full stories plus an attic.
October 20, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, jwulsin said: Obviously, they have the taproom right across the street so I wouldn't expect them to want to eat into that business. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sam Adams eventually does brewery tours that meet at the tap room and walk across the street to the brewery.
October 20, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, jwulsin said: I didn't get to take a photo, but the new Sam Adams addition at the corner of Liberty and Central Parkways is pretty substantial. Does anybody have renderings showing the plans? Will it only be for manufacturing, or are they planning on doing tours/tastings? Obviously, they have the taproom right across the street so I wouldn't expect them to want to eat into that business. Are there any construction photos?
October 20, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, jwulsin said: I've never been inside, but I love the exterior of that building (especially the side entry) so it's a shame it's only being marketed for the land. Here's a sketch from the auditor's site, showing the footprint. The main building is 2 full stories plus an attic. I don't think that they're actually suggesting a tear-down. I think they're instead insinuating that somebody looking to do a $250,000 renovation ought to gladly pay them $100,000+ for a shell that last sold for $11,500 in 2017. You can see on the auditor's site that the house was still inhabited until 2010 or so. So maybe it's not a total disaster inside, even though the listing sez do not enter.
October 21, 20204 yr Sorry that all I have to offer are asides, but I wish Sam Adams would lean into their Cincinnati beer recipe. Great to have the Brewery, and Jim Koch has done some noble things in the past for some historical Cincinnati brands, but it's awkward that Cincinnati brews a Boston Beer that came from Cincinnati.
October 21, 20204 yr 8 hours ago, taestell said: I wouldn’t be surprised if Sam Adams eventually does brewery tours that meet at the tap room and walk across the street to the brewery. The brewery is not safe for public tours of any size/frequency at the scale they are producing. Seeing as the bones of the brewery date to 1933, there is just no safe pathways to be carved out for the public.
October 21, 20204 yr 20 hours ago, jwulsin said: I didn't get to take a photo, but the new Sam Adams addition at the corner of Liberty and Central Parkways is pretty substantial. Does anybody have renderings showing the plans? Will it only be for manufacturing, or are they planning on doing tours/tastings? Obviously, they have the taproom right across the street so I wouldn't expect them to want to eat into that business. The project is purely manufacturing expansion along with some new parking areas. I'm not sure if they are going to start carving out areas of the newly built buildings for tours (I'm not on the team working on the project), but like mcmicken said above it would be very hard to safely do public tours in the existing facility. The facility is pretty much a giant maze inside with former exterior walls all over the place.
October 28, 20204 yr On 10/20/2020 at 8:39 PM, zsnyder said: Sorry that all I have to offer are asides, but I wish Sam Adams would lean into their Cincinnati beer recipe. Great to have the Brewery, and Jim Koch has done some noble things in the past for some historical Cincinnati brands, but it's awkward that Cincinnati brews a Boston Beer that came from Cincinnati. They did have that with their 513 brew. I loved it but it was just not popular. Edited October 28, 20204 yr by Dcs3939
October 29, 20204 yr Here are a couple photos of the Sam Adams addition. The style/layout do not seem optimized for manufacturing, especially with the narrow wing jutting out towards Liberty. So, even if they don't intend to do tours, this seems designed to be "public-facing" in some sense. Perhaps they'll just have large vats on display for people who drive/walk by.
October 29, 20204 yr I believe the shape is mainly due to Sam Adams not owning the corner lot. Also looks like you can see the start a semi loading/unloading area in the part of the building jutting out to the south.
October 29, 20204 yr 23 minutes ago, osu97gp said: I believe the shape is mainly due to Sam Adams not owning the corner lot. Whoa. I didn't realize Sam Adam's didn't own that corner lot. That corner parcel, as well as the one on the corner with Central Ave is owned by an LLC affiliated with Al Kenkel, the founder of Tri-State Wholesale Building Supplies, but they moved to Lower Price Hill... so they really have no direct use for surface parking on Liberty St now.
October 29, 20204 yr The corner lot is IRR but roughly 50x90 feet. That's the same as the Ingalls Building. So something could go up there if the parking requirement is waived. If only there was a subway station nearby...
November 16, 20204 yr November 23 HCB packet has a proposed project at 815 Dayton, where the owners want to construct a new, 2-story carriage house on Naeher alley. Quote The applicant is requesting to build a two-story garage/carriage house with parking on the first floor and additional living area on the second floor. The current plans have a kitchenette which as designed would qualify as a kitchen. In order to not be counted as a dwelling unit the plans would have to be adjusted to not include an oven. Otherwise we would require a deed restriction that would not permit the unit to be rented out as a separate unit unless the zoning code is changed to allow ADUs. Cincinnati needs to update its zoning code to make it easier to construct/convert ADUs. Is there any anybody opposed to ADUs? Why do we have these absurd restrictions in place, leading to counter incentives like making "kitchens" without ovens to count as "kitchenettes"? From a housing affordability perspective, it's outrageous. From the perspective of trying to add more population to the urban core, it's outrageous. From the perspective of somebody who might occasionally want to use an oven, it's outrageous.
December 15, 20204 yr No idea if $179k is a reasonable price for a shell like this (especially since it's in the block closest to I-75)... but I enjoyed seeing photos of the inside of 1104 Dayton Street, which is a very unusual typology for Cincinnati. It has a "garden level" apartment with its own entrance. I can't think of many other examples of that style here in Cincinnati, though I know it is much more common in NYC and Philly. Fortunately, it's on a level plot with nice, unimpeded access to the (large) alley. I hope somebody buys it and restores it faithfully, keeping the garden apartment as a separate unit. https://www.coldwellbanker.com/property/1104-Dayton-St-Cincinnati-OH-45214/54085417/detail
December 15, 20204 yr 4 minutes ago, jwulsin said: No idea if $179k is a reasonable price for a shell like this (especially since it's in the block closest to I-75)... but I enjoyed seeing photos of the inside of 1104 Dayton Street, which is a very unusual typology for Cincinnati. It has a "garden level" apartment with its own entrance. I can't think of many other examples of that style here in Cincinnati, though I know it is much more common in NYC and Philly. Fortunately, it's on a level plot with nice, unimpeded access to the (large) alley. I hope somebody buys it and restores it faithfully, keeping the garden apartment as a separate unit. https://www.coldwellbanker.com/property/1104-Dayton-St-Cincinnati-OH-45214/54085417/detail It's like a NYC brownstone. I saw it last week. It needs a decent amount of work but it's also rather loud. You could clearly hear the interstate. Same with 1119 Dayton. It's absolutely gorgeous though and will be beautiful when completed.
December 15, 20204 yr 16 minutes ago, Dcs3939 said: It needs a decent amount of work but it's also rather loud. You could clearly hear the interstate. Yeah... one of the problems with old, poorly-maintained windows is not just that they leak air which affects temperature/comfort, but they also let a lot of noise in.
December 15, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, jwulsin said: No idea if $179k is a reasonable price for a shell like this Easily 2x the asking price to renovate, so it's already over $500K all-in, and only for half the building. If the basement flat can be legally rented out then that can certainly help, but the asking price makes it much harder.
December 17, 20204 yr CMHA receives grant to renovate and possibly replace Stanley Rowe Towers and other West End housing: https://www.wcpo.com/news/our-community/cmhas-new-planning-grant-could-mean-big-changes-for-west-end-public-housing-communities
December 18, 20204 yr I could have sworn that they announced a long term plan to demolish the Towers a few years ago. Is that no longer the case?
December 18, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, taestell said: I could have sworn that they announced a long term plan to demolish the Towers a few years ago. Is that no longer the case? I think they applied for a grant (similar to the one they just got) a few years ago and didn't get it... but it got some media attention: https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/west-end/housing-grant-could-lead-to-new-development-in-the-west-end-residents-want-input Edited December 18, 20204 yr by jwulsin
January 29, 20214 yr On 9/16/2020 at 4:43 PM, jwulsin said: Public Input session on the Linn project is tonight at 6pm. https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/dote/dote-projects/linn-street-safety-improvement-project/ 1. Meeting link: https://cincinnati-oh.zoom.us/j/95692561024?pwd=RVlsZDdYM1N4QUxxRHhOd29ER1lWQT09 Meeting password: 798107 2. Zoom app If you have the Zoom app on your computer or smartphone, you may click "Join" and then enter the following Meeting ID to enter the meeting: 956 9256 1024. The password is 798107. 3. YouTube If you prefer, you may watch a livestreamed video of the meeting on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSrcR2FkmSnqy_KkQKYUflA DOTE hosted the second feedback session last night about the Linn Street diet. They presented 6 designs and asked for feedback. I joined at the tail end and residents didn't seem interested in the bike lanes. Their only concern is pedestrian safety. The bad news is that DOTE plans to pay for the project via State and/or Federal grants. The earliest funds could be available will be 2025. Option 1 is the cheapest and simplest option with 3' bollard lanes protecting 2 curbside 6' bike lanes next to 10' parking lanes Option 2 is the same except increasing the bike lanes to 8', and reducing parking to 8' Option 3 is 6' bike lanes again, but another 4' tree lawn on the west side keeping the parking at 8' Option 4 is a two-way cycle track on the west side of the street Option 5 is a raised cycle track and extra tree lawn on the west side Option 6 is a raised cycle track in the center of the street, with large tree lawns on either side. This is the design with the least road surface and maximum tree canopy All versions maintain the existing streetscaping on the east side of the street. There will be bump-outs on that side as well but they didn't have time to add them into the drawings. This is also high-level so far and will include suggestions about the angled parking in the future as well as some of the side streets. The project site is updated with the designs and the presentation video.
January 29, 20214 yr 26 minutes ago, Dev said: DOTE hosted the second feedback session last night about the Linn Street diet. They presented 6 designs and asked for feedback. I joined at the tail end and residents didn't seem interested in the bike lanes. Their only concern is pedestrian safety. The bad news is that DOTE plans to pay for the project via State and/or Federal grants. The earliest funds could be available will be 2025. Option 1 is the cheapest and simplest option with 3' bollard lanes protecting 2 curbside 6' bike lanes next to 10' parking lanes Option 2 is the same except increasing the bike lanes to 8', and reducing parking to 8' Option 3 is 6' bike lanes again, but another 4' tree lawn on the west side keeping the parking at 8' Option 4 is a two-way cycle track on the west side of the street Option 5 is a raised cycle track and extra tree lawn on the west side Option 6 is a raised cycle track in the center of the street, with large tree lawns on either side. This is the design with the least road surface and maximum tree canopy All versions maintain the existing streetscaping on the east side of the street. There will be bump-outs on that side as well but they didn't have time to add them into the drawings. This is also high-level so far and will include suggestions about the angled parking in the future as well as some of the side streets. The project site is updated with the designs and the presentation video. Funny because pedestrian and bicycle safety go hand in hand. The red bike Terminal at Bank St was plowed into on Xmas Eve by someone speeding through Lynn past Dayton. It's incredibly unsafe to cross Lynn anywhere and people don't obey the posted 30 mph limit. Edited January 29, 20214 yr by Dcs3939
January 29, 20214 yr 35 minutes ago, Dcs3939 said: Funny because pedestrian and bicycle safety go hand in hand. The red bike Terminal at Bank St was plowed into on Xmas Eve by someone speeding through Lynn past Dayton. It's incredibly unsafe to cross Lynn anywhere and people don't obey the posted 30 mph limit. They do overlap but it also makes sense that current residents wouldn't prioritize it. It's so dangerous there now that I'm sure few of the current residents would ever think of biking around their neighborhood.
January 29, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Dev said: They do overlap but it also makes sense that current residents wouldn't prioritize it. It's so dangerous there now that I'm sure few of the current residents would ever think of biking around their neighborhood. Interestingly enough, I talked to red bike when inquiring about the destroyed kiosk; the kiosk at Bank and Lynn is one of the most busy ones they have!
January 30, 20214 yr 18 hours ago, Dev said: Option 4 is a two-way cycle track on the west side of the street Option 5 is a raised cycle track and extra tree lawn on the west side What are the pros/cons between these two options? Is the raised cycle track (Option 5) better for bikes? What happens at cross streets - does the raised cycle track drop down to the street elevation (like a typical sidewalk/crosswalk) or does it remain elevated?
January 30, 20214 yr The best option for pedestrian safety and bicycling is #6, with a center median. It works very well in New Orleans, where people jog and bicycle between their streetcar tracks. From a bicycling perspective, it puts the bicyclist at the center of the intersection where they can see all activity clearly and they are most visible. I have argued for this for 15+ years online and people have been slowly coming around. I discovered this when I was 8 or 9 years old by doing it, not by aping the cool people on Twitter. The people on the meeting were worried about people on cross streets not being able to make left turns, as if there aren't countless ways for any vehicle to reach Point B from their Point A via other side streets that would place them on W. Court, Ezzard Charles, or Liberty.
January 30, 20214 yr I biked around DC a fair bit when I lived there, and I always found the center median lanes along Penn Ave to be the safest feeling. Much more so than the far right lanes due to turning cars.
January 30, 20214 yr Yeah, no, sorry. A median cycle track doesn't eliminate conflicts with turning vehicles (right hooks become left hooks), and now all bike turns require crossing traffic instead of just left turns. Countries that figured this out decades ago (Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium) don't do two-way cycle tracks with roads, except next to freeways or rural highways, and they're still on one side rather than down the middle. Urban infrastructure is one-way bike lanes (whether raised, protected, or flush) between the right side of the roadway and the sidewalk. The only decision then is which side the parking (if any) goes on. This really isn't difficult.
January 30, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, jjakucyk said: This really isn't difficult. No, it's not. I've somehow biked in many cities, rarely in a bike lane (less than 1% of my life's rides), and never come close to getting hit by a car. I've also never been in a car wreck or dropped a cell phone. Some people have situational awareness and others don't. Some people like to talk about bicycling more than doing it.
January 30, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said: Some people have situational awareness and others don't. Some people like to talk about bicycling more than doing it. You make this “do nothing” argument ad nauseum, and frankly it’s exhausting. If cities only cared about encouraging Jake Mecklenborg to bike, then yeah, probably the “do nothing” approach would make sense. But since most of us are trying to get MORE people to feel comfortable biking, we need better designed streets. You even admit that when you say you prefer the “median cycle track” design. I live in OTR and bike almost everywhere. But I’ve got 2 kids, and I wish we had better designed streets so my kids could safely bike (on their own) like kids do in Denmark and the Netherlands. addendum: I think it’s great to debate the relative merits of various designs, and I think your perspective on median cycle tracks is interesting. It’s also great to debate the cost effectiveness of specific designs and locations (design x on street y might be a better use of limited infrastructure funds). But statements about how you’ve never been in a bike/car crash simply aren’t helpful to the conversation about how we should improve the design of our streets. If you think that every street already somehow has the optimal street design, please simply state that as your opinion. Edited January 30, 20214 yr by jwulsin Clarification
January 31, 20214 yr On 1/30/2021 at 9:17 AM, jwulsin said: What are the pros/cons between these two options? Is the raised cycle track (Option 5) better for bikes? What happens at cross streets - does the raised cycle track drop down to the street elevation (like a typical sidewalk/crosswalk) or does it remain elevated? The details of how intersections would work have not been flushed out yet. It sounds like that will happen after an overall design is chosen. I am concerned that they could select the simplest options at intersections, instead of the most effective. In general, a raised cycle track is better for bikes because it further separates them from the vehicle travel lane. In this case, this seems somewhat redundant since option 4 has an 8 foot buffer. The tree lawns on either side of the cycle track in option 5 may be better at separating bike and pedestrian traffic, reducing the potential for conflicts.
February 1, 20214 yr Author On 1/30/2021 at 1:01 PM, jwulsin said: You make this “do nothing” argument ad nauseum, and frankly it’s exhausting. If cities only cared about encouraging Jake Mecklenborg to bike, then yeah, probably the “do nothing” approach would make sense. But since most of us are trying to get MORE people to feel comfortable biking, we need better designed streets. You even admit that when you say you prefer the “median cycle track” design. I live in OTR and bike almost everywhere. But I’ve got 2 kids, and I wish we had better designed streets so my kids could safely bike (on their own) like kids do in Denmark and the Netherlands. addendum: I think it’s great to debate the relative merits of various designs, and I think your perspective on median cycle tracks is interesting. It’s also great to debate the cost effectiveness of specific designs and locations (design x on street y might be a better use of limited infrastructure funds). But statements about how you’ve never been in a bike/car crash simply aren’t helpful to the conversation about how we should improve the design of our streets. If you think that every street already somehow has the optimal street design, please simply state that as your opinion. There's a big difference between what's possible and what people will actually do. For example it's certainly possible for most people to walk between Hyde Park Square and Mount Lookout Square, but 99% of people wouldn't actually do that. It's possible to bike in mixed traffic, but most people won't do that either
February 1, 20214 yr ^that's actually a really easy stretch to bike because of the parked cars. You can duck over to the parking lane and slow down for a line of cars or occasionally come to a complete stop. About the only street I can think of that would be a little annoying to bike in the West End would be Winchell, but there is no reason to ride a bike on it. The Freeman/Gest/8th area is a little weird, too. I know that I've ridden that ramp up to Linn a few times which brings you to an odd expressway-type intersection.
February 26, 20214 yr Habitat for Humanity Cincinnati posted this video, showing some interesting details on 1803, 1805, and 1807 Baymiller. These properties were stabilized by the Port, and you can see that significant structural work was done (rebuilt masonry walls and floor systems). Glad to see they'll be renovated and returned to use as homes!
April 12, 20214 yr It appears the first coffee shop in the neighborhood is going to open in the coming months at 1900 Baymiller. The owner applied for zoning relief, which was granted to the property owner in 2017, but the deal apparently fell through, and they now have a new operator lined up. Letters of support from last fall specifically call out BlaCk Coffee (who operates a coffee shop downtown), but the application mentions a LOI from a local which would be her first physical location. So I imagine they had an issue with BlaCk Coffee in some capacity, and had to find a new operator in the last six months. The application doesn't seem to name who the LOI is from. The plans show room for 33 people at a time, and also a walkup window facing York Street. They are seeking a use variance and a parking variance, both of which were approved in 2017, and are recommended by the Urban Conservator again. The full packet (fairly large PDF) can be found on the city's website here.
April 13, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, ryanlammi said: It appears the first coffee shop in the neighborhood is going to open in the coming months at 1900 Baymiller. The owner applied for zoning relief, which was granted to the property owner in 2017, but the deal apparently fell through, and they now have a new operator lined up. Letters of support from last fall specifically call out BlaCk Coffee (who operates a coffee shop downtown), but the application mentions a LOI from a local which would be her first physical location. So I imagine they had an issue with BlaCk Coffee in some capacity, and had to find a new operator in the last six months. The application doesn't seem to name who the LOI is from. The plans show room for 33 people at a time, and also a walkup window facing York Street. They are seeking a use variance and a parking variance, both of which were approved in 2017, and are recommended by the Urban Conservator again. The full packet (fairly large PDF) can be found on the city's website here. So stoked for this!!!
July 5, 20213 yr A daughter's vision: Arts center in father's name at site of old Regal Theatre Robert O'Neal's life was filled with creating visual art, teaching and working to lift up the West End community where he and his family lived. Much of that work took place at the Arts Consortium of Cincinnati, a West End institution that educated hundreds of inner-city children and was a forum for performances and exhibitions. Funding cuts led to the closure of the Arts Consortium about a dozen years ago, but O'Neal's daughter wants to revive its spirit in a new community arts group that will be housed in another West End landmark – the old Regal Theatre. The Robert O’Neal Multicultural Arts Center has been established by O’Neal’s daughter, Toilynn O’Neal Turner, who has ambitious plans to house the center in the 107-year-old theater, located at 1204 Linn St., which has been closed for years. The Walnut Hills resident is working with the Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority, which owns the building, and other partners, including Sean Rugless, a Procter & Gamble alum and former head of the Greater Cincinnati African American Chamber of Commerce, who now runs a marketing and consulting firm. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/07/02/daughters-vision-arts-center-in-fathers-name-at.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 5, 20213 yr 12 hours ago, ColDayMan said: A daughter's vision: Arts center in father's name at site of old Regal Theatre Robert O'Neal's life was filled with creating visual art, teaching and working to lift up the West End community where he and his family lived. Much of that work took place at the Arts Consortium of Cincinnati, a West End institution that educated hundreds of inner-city children and was a forum for performances and exhibitions. Funding cuts led to the closure of the Arts Consortium about a dozen years ago, but O'Neal's daughter wants to revive its spirit in a new community arts group that will be housed in another West End landmark – the old Regal Theatre. The Robert O’Neal Multicultural Arts Center has been established by O’Neal’s daughter, Toilynn O’Neal Turner, who has ambitious plans to house the center in the 107-year-old theater, located at 1204 Linn St., which has been closed for years. The Walnut Hills resident is working with the Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority, which owns the building, and other partners, including Sean Rugless, a Procter & Gamble alum and former head of the Greater Cincinnati African American Chamber of Commerce, who now runs a marketing and consulting firm. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/07/02/daughters-vision-arts-center-in-fathers-name-at.html Very cool to see this building get a plan/funding. I run by it weekly and it's beautiful.
September 7, 20213 yr 1835 Baymiller is going before the Historic Conservation Board on Oct 11, requesting "zoning relief for off-street parking and loading requirements." Curious what the plans are for this former church building.
September 7, 20213 yr 28 minutes ago, jwulsin said: 1835 Baymiller is going before the Historic Conservation Board on Oct 11, requesting "zoning relief for off-street parking and loading requirements." Curious what the plans are for this former church building. probably another craft brewery. It’s the trendy thing nowadays.
September 7, 20213 yr They sure have the exterior of the building looking good these days https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1173425,-84.529198,3a,72.6y,224h,108.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOiyHa-XWC1SQS5RXBHf29g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e4?hl=en Edited September 7, 20213 yr by oakiehigh
October 26, 20213 yr Linn St. Improvement meeting tonight! https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/dote/dote-projects/linn-street-safety-improvement-project/
November 3, 20213 yr Bike lane and street calming for Linn St. From Court up to Bank! Option 3 or 4 make way more sense than 6...feedback closes 12/31. https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/dote/dote-projects/linn-street-safety-improvement-project/
November 3, 20213 yr I think I like Option 3 (with 1-way bike lanes) best. The one benefit of Option 4 is that it has more trees, but I don't think it's worth the trade-offs since the 1-way bike lanes are far superior to the 2-way in Option 4.
November 3, 20213 yr I absolutely agree with that. Option 4 would be fine too IMO. Not sure how 6 got there...
November 3, 20213 yr I think the two-way cycle track is the superior option because when there is less traffic it allows people to bike side-by-side. Then if there is a cyclist coming the other way, you can temporarily get in line with eachother. There are also fewer conflict points with driveways if you keep both directions on one side of the street.
November 3, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, taestell said: I think the two-way cycle track is the superior option because when there is less traffic it allows people to bike side-by-side. Then if there is a cyclist coming the other way, you can temporarily get in line with eachother. There are also fewer conflict points with driveways if you keep both directions on one side of the street. Good points.
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