19 hours ago, CRICKETS said:

So much public $. Sadly the elected did not use their leverage to protect the people, buildings, or neighborhood. 

 

The Mayor, City Council, The Enquirer, and the public were all cajoled into this. 

 

If you've ever worked at a place that had a unionization push, you know that they start with an off-site meeting where they go over what the opposition to the union is going to be.  They pass out literature on the short, medium, and long-term plan of action and how to talk to skeptical coworkers and how to talk to management and other people resisting the union push.  The pamphlets tell you what to say.  Word for word. 

 

Same thing if you're a billionaire wanting to build a stadium with tons of public dollars.  There is a pattern to it.  Lindner, etc., followed that pattern and everyone rolled over and was fooled by it because Lindner tricked people into thinking they were lucky to have this opportunity and take it or leave it.

 

Like, they were deceptive about their plan from day 1.  There can be no doubt that they want to control and tear down everything along Central Parkway between City Hall and Liberty St.   And they'll get it all, much of it for free.  Hell, they already got Central Ave. for free, and now are going to take half of Central Parkway.  The police HQ will be bulldozed.  Same with Taft HS.  They'll probably get Taft students divided between Hughes and West Hi and then tear down the circa-2008 building. 

 

This whole area was chosen because there was so much stuff owned by the school district or the city.  They will get it all. 

 

 

Also, I suspect that they'll try to get Oktoberfest moved to the narrowed Central Parkway. 

27 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

Also, I suspect that they'll try to get Oktoberfest moved to the narrowed Central Parkway. 

 

Central Parkway be a much more inviting space for Oktoberfest than 2nd and 3rd Street as currently configured. Caps on FWW would make 2nd and 3rd much nicer.

40 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

Also, I suspect that they'll try to get Oktoberfest moved to the narrowed Central Parkway. 

 

Don't threaten me with a good time!

1 hour ago, Lazarus said:

The police HQ will be bulldozed.  Same with Taft HS.  They'll probably get Taft students divided between Hughes and West Hi and then tear down the circa-2008 building

I'd appreciate if they'd move the Police HQ, but obviously there isn't public money to do that (and there are other Police Dispatches that need improvements).  If they pay to move them, that's a win. 

 

Tearing down the high school though, that's not going to happen.  They already built them a stadium, the optics of tearing down a high school and just shuffling the students to other random schools is not going to happen. It just won't.

Oh no! The soccer stadium is prompting a much-needed road diet for Central Parkway! The horror! Those Lindners! How dare they build a soccer stadium for a team they own and develop land around it! How evil of them to bring thousands of new customers to spend money at local businesses around the stadium. How devious of them to buy land that was going to have $500k homes on it and use it to replace the football stadium they tore down with a better stadium! Shame! Now we’re getting a narrower and more pedestrian friendly street! Well I never!

Edited September 15, 20231 yr by JaceTheAce41

1 minute ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

Oh no! The soccer stadium is prompting a much-needed road diet for Central Parkway!

 

They kept Liberty St. preposterously wide in order to turn Central Parkway into their private plaza.  Which they got for free. 

 

2 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

How evil of them to bring thousands of new customers to spend money at local businesses around the stadium.

 

What businesses?  Hardly anything has popped up. 

 

NFL = 8 or 9 regular season home games, 50,000 X 8 or 9 = 400,000 people.

 

MLS = 17 home games, 20,000 X 17 = 340,000 people.  

 

Basically nothing exists near Paul Brown Stadium just because of The Bengals.  Yet we are led to believe that this soccer stadium is spurring all sorts of development by itself despite the absence of any. 

 

15 minutes ago, 10albersa said:

I'd appreciate if they'd move the Police HQ, but obviously there isn't public money to do that (and there are other Police Dispatches that need improvements).  If they pay to move them, that's a win. 

 

 

Why move it?  The building is basically historic at this point.  I can see the headline already - nowhere for the police dept to park its cruisers thanks to FC Cincinnati encroachment.  Must move!  Immediately!  This is an emergency! 

 

The Ludlow Ave. station that we were told under Cranley was entirely unfit for police habitation, necessitating a relocation of the district to a strip mall in College Hill, letters to editors, AM radio consternation, etc., has quietly been reborn as some sort of park services offices. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Lazarus said:

 

The Mayor, City Council, The Enquirer, and the public were all cajoled into this. 

 

If you've ever worked at a place that had a unionization push, you know that they start with an off-site meeting where they go over what the opposition to the union is going to be.  They pass out literature on the short, medium, and long-term plan of action and how to talk to skeptical coworkers and how to talk to management and other people resisting the union push.  The pamphlets tell you what to say.  Word for word. 

 

Same thing if you're a billionaire wanting to build a stadium with tons of public dollars.  There is a pattern to it.  Lindner, etc., followed that pattern and everyone rolled over and was fooled by it because Lindner tricked people into thinking they were lucky to have this opportunity and take it or leave it.

 

Like, they were deceptive about their plan from day 1.  There can be no doubt that they want to control and tear down everything along Central Parkway between City Hall and Liberty St.   And they'll get it all, much of it for free.  Hell, they already got Central Ave. for free, and now are going to take half of Central Parkway.  The police HQ will be bulldozed.  Same with Taft HS.  They'll probably get Taft students divided between Hughes and West Hi and then tear down the circa-2008 building. 

 

This whole area was chosen because there was so much stuff owned by the school district or the city.  They will get it all. 

 

 

 

Real life is not a super hero movie where there are evil billionaires scheming to ruin the city for profit. Your entire worldview is made up in your head.

6 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

They kept Liberty St. preposterously wide in order to turn Central Parkway into their private plaza.  Which they got for free. 

 

The soccer team did this? Wow! That's some great planning since Liberty has been needlessly wide since before FCC was a twinkle in Jeff Berding's eye. Now Central Pkwy is getting narrowed before Liberty and your...check's notes...mad about it? 

 

7 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

What businesses?  Hardly anything has popped up. 

 

NFL = 8 or 9 regular season home games, 50,000 X 8 or 9 = 400,000 people.

 

MLS = 17 home games, 20,000 X 17 = 340,000 people.  

 

Basically nothing exists near Paul Brown Stadium just because of The Bengals.  Yet we are led to believe that this soccer stadium is spurring all sorts of development by itself despite the absence of any. 

 

Try getting a table at any restaurant within a two-block radius of TQL on gameday. You need to be there a minimum of two hours early. Every brewery in OTR is packed with FCC fans, food trucks are lined up at Washington Park, and they're building across the street from TQL. 

 

Also. FCC plays more than 17 home games a year with Open Cup and Leagues Cup. Not to mention the international games the stadium hosts so it's roughly 400K people heading downtown per year in a longer span of time. 

 

We get it, you hate the soccer team (the sport in general) and the Lindners. Am I a fan of everything the team has done in developing the area? No. They should have kept the church. But overall TQL Stadium has been a benefit to the area and is spurring more development.

1 hour ago, Miami-Erie said:

 

Central Parkway be a much more inviting space for Oktoberfest than 2nd and 3rd Street as currently configured. Caps on FWW would make 2nd and 3rd much nicer.

 

Oktoberfest is back on Fifth Street now.

19 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Oktoberfest is back on Fifth Street now.

I believe this is only because the Bengals have a home game. Otherwise they would probably stay at 2nd and 3rd. 

 

I liked the 2nd/3rd configuration a lot. There was a lot of worrying by folks here about the noise from FWW, but you could only hear that if you were right up against the railing overlooking the highway. They positioned food vendors along many of those edges, so most people probably never heard a car from the highway.

 

It opened the festival up a lot. I used to never go down there because 5th Street was just a clogged mess where you had to walk between a series of beer and food lines that filled 5th. I'm going to go down this weekend to see if it's as bad as I remember it being. I wouldn't ever tell people they need to come to Oktoberfest from out of town because it's mostly a street festival with a little splash of German flair. Otherwise it's not much different from Taste.

 

The ultimate solution is still a cap over FWW with actual fest tents programmed by breweries - not the Chamber or 3CDC or some other entity. Obviously they whole thing would still be run by the Chamber, but individual brewery tents should be given the ability to program entertainment, food, beer options, etc. as they see fit. 2nd/3rd could still be closed down and have street vendors outside for people who want to walk around.

 

As for the stadium discussion (the on-topic discussion)....

 

The team certainly wanted to keep an extra travel lane on Liberty, and flexed their muscle to prevent a true diet, which is unfortunate. Cranley's DOTE didn't want to do a true road diet anyway, so I doubt it took much convincing by the FCC group. Liberty Street is still a big mental barrier between northern and southern OTR, and it'll be decades before that's truly fixed. As for narrowing Central Parkway - good. It should be narrowed. Hopefully they don't half-ass it like they did Liberty.

 

It's a shame that they tore down the church. They could have actually used it as a home for their Foundation. They sponsor SAY soccer teams in the West End, and this could have been a home base for all of their activities that face the community they are sponsoring. But the leadership in general wasn't interested in doing anything creative with the existing structure, and just wanted something flashy for a campus. A big missed opportunity, and a black eye for the organization's attempt to be good neighbors. Most of the buildings that did get torn down weren't worth fighting for, but this one was.

 

While I'm sure the new development on the north side of the stadium is going to be somewhat insular in that it'll interact with the stadium, I do hope that most of the commercial buildings have a primary entrance facing Central Parkway and Liberty to provide greater connectivity with the neighborhoods around it.

29 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

I believe this is only because the Bengals have a home game. Otherwise they would probably stay at 2nd and 3rd. 

 

I liked the 2nd/3rd configuration a lot. There was a lot of worrying by folks here about the noise from FWW, but you could only hear that if you were right up against the railing overlooking the highway. They positioned food vendors along many of those edges, so most people probably never heard a car from the highway.

 

It opened the festival up a lot. I used to never go down there because 5th Street was just a clogged mess where you had to walk between a series of beer and food lines that filled 5th. I'm going to go down this weekend to see if it's as bad as I remember it being. I wouldn't ever tell people they need to come to Oktoberfest from out of town because it's mostly a street festival with a little splash of German flair. Otherwise it's not much different from Taste.

 

The ultimate solution is still a cap over FWW with actual fest tents programmed by breweries - not the Chamber or 3CDC or some other entity. Obviously they whole thing would still be run by the Chamber, but individual brewery tents should be given the ability to program entertainment, food, beer options, etc. as they see fit. 2nd/3rd could still be closed down and have street vendors outside for people who want to walk around.

 

You might be pleasantly surprised. It now spreads farther down the side streets and onto the P&G lawn. There are more tents and they are bigger. There are tents programmed by Jägermeister and Radeberger, and beer gardens from Sam Adams and Weihenstephan. 

 

31 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

The team certainly wanted to keep an extra travel lane on Liberty, and flexed their muscle to prevent a true diet, which is unfortunate. Cranley's DOTE didn't want to do a true road diet anyway, so I doubt it took much convincing by the FCC group. Liberty Street is still a big mental barrier between northern and southern OTR, and it'll be decades before that's truly fixed. As for narrowing Central Parkway - good. It should be narrowed. Hopefully they don't half-ass it like they did Liberty.

 

I don't think the team had anything to do with the decision about Liberty. Cranley had already made up his mind long before FC Cincinnati was a part of the discussion.

34 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

While I'm sure the new development on the north side of the stadium is going to be somewhat insular in that it'll interact with the stadium, I do hope that most of the commercial buildings have a primary entrance facing Central Parkway and Liberty to provide greater connectivity with the neighborhoods around it.

 

This is my big hope. I wish that instead of a music venue, they would develop more residential but I can see why they want the venue as it is usable in the off season and during festivals, etc. That area in the NE corner is ripe for some development.

 

36 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

Liberty Street is still a big mental barrier between northern and southern OTR, and it'll be decades before that's truly fixed.

 

I think that's changing. Most of the newer breweries are north of Liberty and the younger crowd has no qualms about venturing north of Liberty. Maybe it's because I moved back to Cincinnati from Salt Lake and street widths in SLC are hilarously wide, but Liberty really isn't that bad. It could be narrower, for sure, but I don't think it's that big of a barrier.

 

I'm excited to see what crops up on the east side of Central Pwky with the new hotel coming in. A new restaurant would be great.

21 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

I'm excited to see what crops up on the east side of Central Pwky with the new hotel coming in. A new restaurant would be great.

 

Anyone know the status of this?

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/09/15/fc-west-end-district-planning-commission.html
 

Planning commission gives the green light. 

55 minutes ago, Miami-Erie said:

 

Anyone know the status of this?

Construction journal says a start date of this month. Says on June 16th some approvals were still needed. https://www.constructionjournal.com/projects/details/8bc7e8d3dd3f45649931d2d57fa9cbd1.html

Cincinnati Planning Commission green lights changes for FC Cincinnati's West End project

 

FC Cincinnati’s sale and rezoning requests that would help bring its planned $300 million entertainment district to life cleared City Planning Commission approval Sept. 15, despite several neighbors in the West End expressing concerns about street access, parking and property values.

 

The two unanimous votes by the planning commission recommended the city’s sale of several city-owned rights-of-ways within what would ultimately become FC Cincinnati’s new 8-acre entertainment district, along with extending the planned development zoning to the north of the team's TQL Stadium.

 

FC Cincinnati is partnering with Los Angeles-based Rios as its master plan architect on the entertainment district, which conceptual plans show include about 650,000 square feet of mixed-use development. FC Cincinnati’s request for an amendment to the concept plan and development program statement that encompasses TQL Stadium would extend the planned development zoning surrounding the stadium to include 5.6 acres to the north.

 

No changes to TQL Stadium or its parking garages would occur, said Senior City Planner Stacey Hoffman, but the amendment would green light the construction of the seven buildings that would make up the planned entertainment district.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/09/15/fc-west-end-district-planning-commission.html

 

7 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Construction journal says a start date of this month. Says on June 16th some approvals were still needed. https://www.constructionjournal.com/projects/details/8bc7e8d3dd3f45649931d2d57fa9cbd1.html

1) Still in litigation
2) Still needs approvals for ROW of alley and possibly additional changes to plans
3) Rumor is they don't have financing in place

8 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

You might be pleasantly surprised. It now spreads farther down the side streets and onto the P&G lawn. There are more tents and they are bigger. There are tents programmed by Jägermeister and Radeberger, and beer gardens from Sam Adams and Weihenstephan. 

 

 

I don't think the team had anything to do with the decision about Liberty. Cranley had already made up his mind long before FC Cincinnati was a part of the discussion.

RyanLammi is correct. The diet plan was moving forward, after multiple community meetings and compromises, until it mysteriously wasn't - except some people in the know were so angry, they shared publicly that it was FCC asking Cranley to make changes to the diet. 

12 hours ago, breakground said:

 the diet. 

 

It wasn't a diet.  It was new "slimming" clothes.  Vertical stripes instead of horizontal. 

 

14 hours ago, breakground said:

RyanLammi is correct. The diet plan was moving forward, after multiple community meetings and compromises, until it mysteriously wasn't - except some people in the know were so angry, they shared publicly that it was FCC asking Cranley to make changes to the diet. 

 

IIRC city council made the ultimately decision via a veto proof 6-3 decision

On 9/15/2023 at 1:43 PM, ryanlammi said:

 

 

It's a shame that they tore down the church. They could have actually used it as a home for their Foundation. They sponsor SAY soccer teams in the West End, and this could have been a home base for all of their activities that face the community they are sponsoring. But the leadership in general wasn't interested in doing anything creative with the existing structure, and just wanted something flashy for a campus. A big missed opportunity, and a black eye for the organization's attempt to be good neighbors. Most of the buildings that did get torn down weren't worth fighting for, but this one was.

 

 

THIS. It just wasn't too much to ask, but their arrogance is what made them blind to the opportunities. When I started this conversation a page ago, this all I was saying. Those of us who lament the lack of vision on the part of this development aren't ungrateful, we just wanted some consideration for one tiny little aspect of the larger plan. We like development. We like to see things being built. I've spent most of the last 20 years doing so myself. But wholesale razing was a mistake in urban renewal days, and it still is today. These developers are asking something of the community, they SHOULD listen and give just a tad here and there. The community asked very little of them for this stadium, and they got everything....everything they wanted, and there will be more. Next they'll want Betts-Longworth.

10 minutes ago, TheCOV said:

THIS. It just wasn't too much to ask, but their arrogance is what made them blind to the opportunities. When I started this conversation a page ago, this all I was saying. Those of us who lament the lack of vision on the part of this development aren't ungrateful, we just wanted some consideration for one tiny little aspect of the larger plan. We like development. We like to see things being built. I've spent most of the last 20 years doing so myself. But wholesale razing was a mistake in urban renewal days, and it still is today. These developers are asking something of the community, they SHOULD listen and give just a tad here and there. The community asked very little of them for this stadium, and they got everything....everything they wanted, and there will be more. Next they'll want Betts-Longworth.

I would like to say that the properties that were sold had been a total eye sore for 30 40 years I believe. One reason people decide to move their businesses to a place is because that place is growing and vibrant. Downtown for years was dead. The redevelopment of OTR has been very successful. Almost every town loves to save the past, but imagine trying to stop I-75 coming in the 50s. I believe by that time queensgate had been flooded twice and many of those homes and businessed were probably not in the best of shape. 50 years ago everyone had to have shopping malls. And today you do most of that stuff on line.  And, the malls are empty. Times change. One thing doesn't change. People getting screwed. 

Cincinnati's largest developments applying for over $89 million in state tax credits

 

Another sizable application was put in by FC Cincinnati for its estimated $300 million West End mixed use development. The soccer club is requesting over $26.4 million for the project, calling the TMUD funding the “deciding factor” in the district moving forward.

 

The application calls TQL stadium a catalyst for growth in the West End neighborhood, but says the stadium now exists as an island. Building the proposed district – which is slated to include a hotel, apartments, office space, retail, restaurants, music/entertainment venues and an outdoor plaza – will help create a new community and inject previously unimaginable economic opportunity into the neighborhood, the application reads.

 

It's also projected the project will create nearly 10,000 jobs in the West End.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/11/13/tmud-tax-credits-convention-hotel-carew-tower.html

 

Developer Nick Johnson plans new, market-rate housing in the West End

 

By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

Nov 17, 2023

 

A developer plans to build new rowhouses in the West End, a rare market-rate project that leaders believe is necessary to achieve greater housing stability in the impoverished neighborhood.

 

BOC Development plans a $2.7 million project, with five new three-story townhomes on six existing vacant lots in the southeast corner of Freeman Avenue and Findlay Street at 1722-1730 Freeman Ave.

 

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Well that's one of the ugliest looking buildings I've ever seen.

On 11/17/2023 at 3:37 PM, jwulsin said:

 

 

These are going to face traffic coming off the Findlay St. exit ramp, meaning headlights are going to shine into these things all night long. 

 

 

That intersection of Findlay and Freeman is a 4-way stop sign and only needs one lane of traffic in each direction, and could be dramatically improved by adding bumpouts (with bollards, concrete, or even just plastic flappers) at all four corners. 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/11/20/above-the-fold-chad-munitz.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_6&cx_artPos=3#cxrecs_s
 

Podcast about FC Cincinnati development. Stated the hotel will be 19 floors (originally stated as 18) and the apartment complex at 14 floors (originally 13). Just guessing with height probabilities but I’d say hotel around 245-260 ft and the apartments 180-200 ft. 

Edited November 20, 20231 yr by Ucgrad2015

Those will be quite prominent in that part of the basin.

build it and they will come.. out of the cornfields of ohio and horse farms of kentucky

Grey Rock Property Development to renovate pair of West End buildings into apartments

 

Thirteen more apartments are coming to Dayton Street in the West End, the latest sign that the neighborhood’s trickle of real estate investment is growing.

 

Grey Rock Property Development will renovate neighboring 149-year-old buildings at 938 and 940 Dayton St. into six and seven apartments, respectively. The buildings are currently vacant, blighted and have suffered moisture damage from exposure to the elements.

 

“These are historic structures with some really beautiful details,” Sarah Thomas, principal at Grey Rock, told the Business Courier. “They need modern upgrades and a lot of restoration work, but they deserve to be saved.”

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/12/29/grey-rock-west-end-dayton-street-historic.html

 

Cincinnati kills apartment proposals for Town Center Garage site, leaving open arena possibility

JOHN LAUER | CINCINNATI BUSINESS COURIER

By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

Jan 9, 2024

 

In a major development decision, the city of Cincinnati will not sell the Town Center Garage in the West End nor approve one of two proposals to redevelop the site with a major residential component, according to a letter signed by City Manager Sheryl Long obtained by the Business Courier.

 

Long’s letter does not address or rule out Visit Cincy’s proposal to consider building a new arena at the site at some future date. If the city had chosen one of two apartment-centered mixed-use projects that developers had proposed in response to a request for proposal, an arena at the site would be dead. The region’s convention and visitors bureau wants to study a number of sites inside city limits for a replacement for the Heritage Bank Center, with Visit Cincy’s board chair, FC Cincinnati co-CEO Jeff Berding, championing the idea of constructing a new building.

 

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This seems like such a bad decision that I have to assume that arena talks are much further along than they're letting on. I can't imagine another reason to turn down such a large private development during a housing shortage.

 

If that is the case, then I think this is a bad look for the administration being so disingenuous to the public about their motives, pretending like it's an issue of too much change for the West End?

“We don’t want to put too much pressure on that part of the city” 

 

*actually it won’t be 300 apartments it’s going to be a new arena* 

 

That’s going to create a lot more negative reactions than just saying the plan when it’s blatantly obvious. 

Yeah I think we all know where this is headed. 

2 hours ago, tonyt3524 said:

Yeah I think we all know where this is headed. 

They're not even going through the minuscule effort of saying "we'll move it to Newport" this time, they know they can do what they want anyway.

17 hours ago, Guy23 said:

This seems like such a bad decision that I have to assume that arena talks are much further along than they're letting on. I can't imagine another reason to turn down such a large private development during a housing shortage.

 

If that is the case, then I think this is a bad look for the administration being so disingenuous to the public about their motives, pretending like it's an issue of too much change for the West End?

Agreed I was really frustrated by this. I'm not normally a "let the free market decide" guy but in this case the government is literally picking winners and losers. We have a developer trying to build a good project that will bring residential units to the area, and instead the city is playing wait and see about shoehorning an arena into a place that the rich people want to put it. 

You could easily build a new arena, condos, apartments, retail, an arcade, indoor skydiving, and a TopGolf just south of CUT. I want a new arena and I know it'll probably be in the West End but there are so many other, better locations. I'll never forgive UC for not wanting to either build their own, better arena or partnering to play at a renovated Heritage Bank Center.

i want a new arena on Central Parkway at the CET location. I want the rich to spend their money on something that the poor can buy a ticket once a year and gaze upon the wonders of man/woman. I dont want the NCAA to turn down Cincy because they don't like our old arena. I don't want the Olympic committee to turn down the city because we don't have hotels or arenas that can't accommadate the throngs of money spending rich people. I don't want a convention center that is too small to rent for 75% of conventions. I don't want people to believe that another 4 story appartment complex is going to solve the housing crisis. Seems to me the rich want more apartment complexes because they make more money off an apartment complex than they do a single family home.  I don't want 5 lane major streets turned into two lane streets for cars and two lanes for bicycles. FC Cincinnati and team have turned the corner of Liberty and Central Park into a lively productive area of town with building happening all around. Look at the difference with Findlay Market. Look what Sam Adams has done to their property and the FC Village is coming soon. The people that will build another 4 story apartment complex are rich, too. Not for a minute would those rich people invest in another apartment complex, if they didn't think they were going to get richer. 

Bring on the new arena

Any other billionaire group wanting to self fund a $600-700 million dollar 20,000 seat arena with probably $30-40 million on public infrastructure concessions in town? Anytime soon? Almost certainly not is my take.These talks are well down the road.Netherlander wants to move the Cyclone in and operate the new arena.Nederlander has the pull for getting NCAA games

Heard $150-200 million in financing to put into the arena pot.FC wants to bring a NHL team to town in their long range plans.It is what is a few billionaires ambition to what they think will better their community.The Lindners Farmers and Whitmans are not bad people.Limited visionaries maybe.

1 hour ago, RJohnson said:

I don't want 5 lane major streets turned into two lane streets for cars and two lanes for bicycles

 

I want this but two lanes for cars, 1.5 for streetcars, 1 for bikes and wide-ass sidewalks

Seen today on York St.:

 

 

 

 

Courier article detailing more about why they didn’t choose one of the apartment projects for the CET site and reading Purevals remarks doesn’t seem like the arena going on that site is a slame dunk.

 

 https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/01/12/mayor-aftab-pureval-town-center-garage-new-arena.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_6&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

Edited January 12, 20241 yr by Ucgrad2015

The quotes in this article from Pureval and Long seem highly questionable to me. Why go through the trouble of issuing an RFP, then shut it all down and say you want community engagement instead of a large housing development?

 

It seems like an obvious delay tactic for the site but I don't understand the motive to be so secretive about it. I doubt that many people are paying attention but it seems like a really bad look for the mayor.

Posts about whether or not Cincinnati can support more pro sports teams and general discussion of a new arena have been moved to: Cincinnati: Potential New Arena.

 

Please keep this thread focused on the West End and any general discussion about a potential new arena in the other thread.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2024/01/29/whats-happening-with-tqls-300-million-development-in-the-west-end/72400072007/
 

Basically just states they are just revisiting the timing and funding. 

I very much hope this project gets off the ground and completed and I believe it will. But I do find it comical when real estate projects get delayed when actual billionaires cry poor if they don't get a 10% equity injection for free.