11 hours ago, GCrites said:

 

If so many people weren't forced out of the trades because of 2008

 

If so many tradespeople weren't doing flips and pointless remodeling of perfectly good kitchens and bathrooms...

10 hours ago, Dev said:

Hell, there are now developers active in multiple suburbs who are building townhomes

 

There is no such thing as a "townhouse" being built that doesn't include off-street parking.  Any "townhouse" being built at City West or seemingly anywhere else in the city is drive-to urbanism.  They don't create anywhere close to enough density to help support walking-distance businesses, and with all townhouse owners also being car owners, we're going to see plenty of them driving to the Newport Kroger instead of walking or riding a Bird scooter to the new one on Court St.  

 

Like the "townhomes" planned for Freeman Ave.:

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Lazarus said:

They don't create anywhere close to enough density to help support walking-distance businesses, and with all townhouse owners also being car owners, we're going to see plenty of them driving to the Newport Kroger instead of walking or riding a Bird scooter to the new one on Court St. 

Quality bike infrastructure and better tree canopy fixes this. The city is moving in the right direction on those but again, it's going to take time.

11 minutes ago, Dev said:

Quality bike infrastructure and better tree canopy fixes this. The city is moving in the right direction on those but again, it's going to take time.

 

No.  A real walking neighborhood can only exist when people are either a)poor and can't afford their own cars or b)it's really, really difficult for people who can afford a car to own a car due to a lack of off-street parking and very aggressive on-street parking enforcement by the city (i.e. chalking tires, booting, etc.).  Professional class people might move to a city neighborhood with the high hopes of walking places, but few end up walking past their own car. 

 

 

If everybody's poor it slows business activity significantly.

I live in a neighborhood in Queens which has piles of townhomes, built in the 1920s-1950s, all of which have off street parking. My neighborhood has nearly 100,000 people/square mile. Even if you just take the townhomes and exclude the multi-family buildings, those portions come out to around 30,000 people per square mile, or around twice as dense as the densest census tract in Cincinnati.

Townhomes can absolutely be dense, even with off street parking. See attached as a way this is achieved, in the real world, and supports a neighborhood that has about a dozen major grocery stores, five train lines, piles of buses, walkability, a street that's been converted to a park that gets thousands of users a day, several miles of commercial streets, something like 150 restaurants, etc.

 

Edited July 10, 2024Jul 10 by jmicha

1 hour ago, Lazarus said:

 

No.  A real walking neighborhood can only exist when people are either a)poor and can't afford their own cars or b)it's really, really difficult for people who can afford a car to own a car due to a lack of off-street parking and very aggressive on-street parking enforcement by the city (i.e. chalking tires, booting, etc.).  Professional class people might move to a city neighborhood with the high hopes of walking places, but few end up walking past their own car. 

 

 

This is so wrong and dumb.  

Edited July 10, 2024Jul 10 by Cincy513

While not my favorite layout, these look like a pretty dense use of space that doesn't include the driveways that Jake assumed. It's amazing what going to City West's website will tell you! 

 

So depending on the model, it's a kitchen on the top floor or a master loft. Three beds and 3 baths so we might be seeing families move in. The only drawback is that it's a 20-minute walk to the downtown Kroger and 10-15 minutes to Findlay market, which is fine for some folks but not the best option. Do we need another grocery option other than the downtown Kroger? Sure. But that will hopefully come with time and an increasing population. Hopefully Cincinnati can get an urban Target somewhere in the basin as well.

 

 

kroger and i guess other supermarkets deliver to your front door. and if cincinnati/americans had alternative transportation .i.e, reliable enclosed golf cart style vehicles for 2 to 3 people, High-density neighborhoods could thrive. (see above JaceTheAce 41). if you lived or worked downtown, and if vehicles were not symbols of your man/woman/neuterhood, parking areas could be smaller or hold more vehicles. and, if fully electrified could be used as fueling stations. Queensgate, Westend and Camp Washington could be developed into dense urban neighborhoods with all the amenities of the suburbs. the city could help by having a rental or leasing for electric vehicles. if you moved away from downtown you could park it at the dealer at the end of the lease. once I was in Pisa, and people walked all over the downtown area; a passeggiata. 

The West End could be an urban version of Peachtree City, GA!

 

 

3 hours ago, taestell said:

The West End could be an urban version of Peachtree City, GA!

If those carts were completely enclosed like the French made, AMI. and if they could be a little more climate-friendly, then yes. unless Peachtree City is a total failure then, "I know nothing!" just like Schultz. i could imagine an entire neighborhood from 74 to the river as an enclosed/gated Buckeye City. only electric vehicles are allowed/or not. i have a cousin who lives on bald head island; electric vehicles only.

On 7/10/2024 at 12:14 PM, Cincy513 said:

This is so wrong and dumb.  

 

Well refute it, then.  New yuppie boxes hardly improve street life.  For example, the Woodburn Exchange apartment complex appears to have several hundred people living in it now, if the 100+ cars in its garage and surface lot are any indication.  But where are the people?  Aside from a sprinkling of joggers and dog walkers, the influx of several hundred residents to the Woodburn Ave. business district has had zero impact since the new residents all sit inside, watch TV, and scroll on their phones.  Nobody walks anywhere.  Nobody rides the bus.  It's all food delivery and apps and Netflix.  That's the fate of all drive-to urbanism in the smart phone era.  Cities are becoming very boring places. 

 

 

 

On 3/14/2024 at 3:49 PM, jwulsin said:

Anybody know what's going on with 1801 Baymiller? It was bought by somebody with an address in Texas in 2021. Recently they put OSB boards in the window openings. You can see in the photo, a guy was carefully painting each board. On the one hand, I appreciate that level of care. But on the other hand, I don't want those windows to stay boarded for long. Hoping there's a plan to get new windows installed and put this building back to use!

 

Google streetview from 2022 for the "before": https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1162259,-84.5293496,3a,75y,344.62h,94.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJueZoxR406Pz9EZD7EfX2A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

 

 

That would be a Kaiker Development Project. https://www.kaikerdevelopment.com/ 

6 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

Well refute it, then.  New yuppie boxes hardly improve street life.  For example, the Woodburn Exchange apartment complex appears to have several hundred people living in it now, if the 100+ cars in its garage and surface lot are any indication.  But where are the people?  Aside from a sprinkling of joggers and dog walkers, the influx of several hundred residents to the Woodburn Ave. business district has had zero impact since the new residents all sit inside, watch TV, and scroll on their phones.  Nobody walks anywhere.  Nobody rides the bus.  It's all food delivery and apps and Netflix.  That's the fate of all drive-to urbanism in the smart phone era.  Cities are becoming very boring places. 

 

 

 

why are you always so grumpy?

7 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

Well refute it, then.  New yuppie boxes hardly improve street life.  For example, the Woodburn Exchange apartment complex appears to have several hundred people living in it now, if the 100+ cars in its garage and surface lot are any indication.  But where are the people?  Aside from a sprinkling of joggers and dog walkers, the influx of several hundred residents to the Woodburn Ave. business district has had zero impact since the new residents all sit inside, watch TV, and scroll on their phones.  Nobody walks anywhere.  Nobody rides the bus.  It's all food delivery and apps and Netflix.  That's the fate of all drive-to urbanism in the smart phone era.  Cities are becoming very boring places. 

 

 

 

 

This is simply not true. A few years ago the Woodburn business district was struggling. You could go out there on a Friday and Saturday night and be the only person in the restaurant. It was a revolving door for businesses. Now it's bustling and drawing crowds even on weeknights.

8 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

Well refute it, then.  New yuppie boxes hardly improve street life.  For example, the Woodburn Exchange apartment complex appears to have several hundred people living in it now, if the 100+ cars in its garage and surface lot are any indication.  But where are the people?  Aside from a sprinkling of joggers and dog walkers, the influx of several hundred residents to the Woodburn Ave. business district has had zero impact since the new residents all sit inside, watch TV, and scroll on their phones.  Nobody walks anywhere.  Nobody rides the bus.  It's all food delivery and apps and Netflix.  That's the fate of all drive-to urbanism in the smart phone era.  Cities are becoming very boring places. 

 

 

 

All you ever do is post anecdotal s**t like this and pose it as facts when it's just your warped opinion.  

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/07/29/fc-cincinnati-bid-host-2027-mls-all-star-game.html

 

Interesting tidbit in here where Berding claims that “expects to make progress on mixed use development on FC Cincinnati land by the end of 2024”.

 

not sure if that means they are moving forward without the TMUD credits or perhaps they are going to start development and apply for the credits in the meantime.

21 minutes ago, cblhaus said:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/07/29/fc-cincinnati-bid-host-2027-mls-all-star-game.html

 

Interesting tidbit in here where Berding claims that “expects to make progress on mixed use development on FC Cincinnati land by the end of 2024”.

 

not sure if that means they are moving forward without the TMUD credits or perhaps they are going to start development and apply for the credits in the meantime.

I’ve heard they are going to get going on a smaller phase including the hotel. It’s a shame it not going to be ready for 2026 (FIFA in America). What could have been……

2 minutes ago, 646empire said:

I’ve heard they are going to get going on a smaller phase including the hotel. It’s a shame it not going to be ready for 2026 (FIFA in America). What could have been……

Well we aren’t hosting anything for FIFA so that doesn’t really matter tbh. Only way we were going to be eligible is if we made millions of dollars of temporary changes to Paycor stadium. But that makes sense that they would do this in phases and increase scale of project ad hoc if additional funding is secured.

Edited July 29, 2024Jul 29 by cblhaus

22 minutes ago, cblhaus said:

Well we aren’t hosting anything for FIFA so that doesn’t really matter tbh. Only way we were going to be eligible is if we made millions of dollars of temporary changes to Paycor stadium. But that makes sense that they would do this in phases and increase scale of project ad hoc if additional funding is secured.

 

We will likely host a national team or two as their base camps. Not nearly the draw we would see from games being played here. But depending on the team stationed here there could be a decent crowd if they do an open practice or something during their time or a friendly match to warm up for the world cup. 

 

Again, probably nothing that necessitates this development being finished, but there probably will be some increased traffic in the area depending on teams we get.

1 hour ago, cblhaus said:

Well we aren’t hosting anything for FIFA so that doesn’t really matter tbh. Only way we were going to be eligible is if we made millions of dollars of temporary changes to Paycor stadium. But that makes sense that they would do this in phases and increase scale of project ad hoc if additional funding is secured.

Cincy will apart of the logistics of the World Cup including base camp for teams. If you get a good one like Germany it could still be pretty big, Fans of the team/ country tend to stay in the “base camp city” during the World Cup. Soccer is going to be paramount that year globally and FC Cincy was looking at the 2026 MLS All Star Game so it really could have been a summer soccer bonanza in Cincy breaking in a new entertainment district, now not so much. FC Cincy is now targeting 2027 All Star Game.

Edited July 29, 2024Jul 29 by 646empire

If you read between the lines and from what I’ve heard delays in the FC Cincy Development along with The Convention Center hotel etc has put a damper on 2026 (they had hoped to get those project done for 2026)

 

“We have the opportunity to host an All-Star Game, and I think 2027, where we'll have a brand new convention hotel in place, open to be the headquarters hotel for the All-Star Game," said Berding. "Obviously the convention center itself will have completed the modernization plans. We'll be further along on (FC Cincinnati's) plans north of the stadium, and of course by that point, yes, this phase one (of the Central Parkway overhaul) will be completed."

 

https://local12.com/amp/sports/fc-cincinnati/cincinnati-trying-national-sports-event-major-league-soccer-all-star-game-mls-tql-stadium-host-hosting-central-parkway

Edited July 29, 2024Jul 29 by 646empire

47 minutes ago, 646empire said:

Cincy will apart of the logistics of the World Cup including base camp for teams. If you get a good one like Germany it could still be pretty big, Fans of the team/ country tend to stay in the “base camp city” during the World Cup. Soccer is going to be paramount that year globally and FC Cincy was looking at the 2026 MLS All Star Game so it really could have been a summer soccer bonanza in Cincy breaking in a new entertainment district, now not so much. FC Cincy is now targeting 2027 All Star Game.

Didn’t know that about base camp, that would be pretty awesome if we could pull Germany. 2027 is likely a more attainable goal for hosting all star game as the Central Parkway phase 1 “should” be developed as will some FC mixed use + boutique hotel next to the Pitch.

7 minutes ago, cblhaus said:

Didn’t know that about base camp, that would be pretty awesome if we could pull Germany. 2027 is likely a more attainable goal for hosting all star game as the Central Parkway phase 1 “should” be developed as will some FC mixed use + boutique hotel next to the Pitch.

That boutique hotel has been a hole in the ground for over a year — doesn't seem to be making any progress. Not sure they ever had the financing. Anyone have other news on it? 

11 minutes ago, breakground said:

That boutique hotel has been a hole in the ground for over a year — doesn't seem to be making any progress. Not sure they ever had the financing. Anyone have other news on it? 

As far as I know, it’s still a go, but could be wrong. Project got delayed by over a year due to NIMBYs suing to try to claim the building to be demolished was historic. This completion date is definitely not accurate anymore but still up on website.

 

https://www.moment-development.com/boutique-hotel-otr

Edited July 29, 2024Jul 29 by cblhaus

On 7/10/2024 at 1:36 PM, JaceTheAce41 said:

While not my favorite layout, these look like a pretty dense use of space that doesn't include the driveways that Jake assumed. It's amazing what going to City West's website will tell you! 

 

So depending on the model, it's a kitchen on the top floor or a master loft. Three beds and 3 baths so we might be seeing families move in. The only drawback is that it's a 20-minute walk to the downtown Kroger and 10-15 minutes to Findlay market, which is fine for some folks but not the best option. Do we need another grocery option other than the downtown Kroger? Sure. But that will hopefully come with time and an increasing population. Hopefully Cincinnati can get an urban Target somewhere in the basin as well.

 

 

 

 

Kind of a long walk but a very easy bike ride 

 

I think the 2031 women's world cup will be in the USA and I'd imagine Cincinnati will bid to host. That's just seven years away so there will hopefully be demand for a new hotel.

51 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

I think the 2031 women's world cup will be in the USA and I'd imagine Cincinnati will bid to host. That's just seven years away so there will hopefully be demand for a new hotel.

I think I read if the USA wins that bid they would use a combination of the 2026 WorldCup cities so Cincy isnt in the cards unfortunately.

3 minutes ago, 646empire said:

I think I read if the USA wins that bid they would use a combination of the 2026 WorldCup cities so Cincy isnt in the cards unfortunately.

 

That was the plan if they got the games in 2027, but they shifted their focus to 2031 and I believe announced that they would be looking at venues from a clean slate at that point. I'll see if I can find the article

15 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

 

That was the plan if they got the games in 2027, but they shifted their focus to 2031 and I believe announced that they would be looking at venues from a clean slate at that point. I'll see if I can find the article

Nice!!! 

I can't find any that specifically state that they will use a new host selection process, but they call out that they wanted to put an equal investment into the women's world cup that they put into the men's. Reusing stadiums was billed as a cost saving measure ("efficiencies"). The organizers are also looking at this as a way to further grow the game, and imo going to the same stadiums doesn't do that. 

 

We'll see when the put together a bid document for 2031.

Millions in Fed Funding headed to Central Parkway project. 

 

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/a-bridge-between-two-communities-millions-in-federal-funding-going-to-central-parkway-improvement-project

Edited July 30, 2024Jul 30 by 646empire

FC Cincinnati to demolish historic beer tunnels for $300M mixed-use district

 

FC Cincinnati and the Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority have received nearly $6 million to demolish the stone lagering vaults beneath property north of TQL Stadium in the West End neighborhood.

 

The demolition, according to the club’s application to Ohio’s Demolition and Site Revitalization Program, will make way for an 18-story, 165,000-square-foot, 150-key hotel as well as a four-story, 100,000-square-foot office building.

An FCC spokesperson declined to comment.

 

The buildings are part of a much larger two-phase mixed-use development. The first phase is expected to include the hotel and office buildings as well as 150 apartments, retail and restaurants, an indoor entertainment venue and an outdoor entertainment venue, as described in the concept plan as well as the club’s demolition grant application.

 

The second phase could include 250 additional apartments.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/09/06/fc-cincinnati-mixed-use-district-demo-beer-tunnels.html

 

Anyone who actually believed that the team was going to make an effort to preserve the history of this site… well… you were fooled.

6 million dollars to destroy Hades. it is well worth it. think of the lives that have been lost to alcohol and its sinister ways. once these hell-bound tunnels are finally destroyed and covered by new highrises, Cincinnati can forget those tormented days and get our nation back on track (hopefully a trolley track). I propose erecting the first monument along the new Central Parkway diet as a memorial to Carrie Nation. the hatchet-toting divinely ordinated "bulldog running along at the feet of Jesus, barking at what he doesn't like". Nation claimed a divine ordination to promote temperance by destroying bars. Phase II, the Harambe Memorial. a forty-foot statue of Harambe offering the baby back to where it came from ala Lion King.

11 hours ago, taestell said:

Anyone who actually believed that the team was going to make an effort to preserve the history of this site… well… you were fooled.

 

They were also fooled into thinking that the stadium will spur development.  We're six years into this and not a single new structure has been built. 

Hasn't been built, but the boutique hotel and pitch don't happen without the stadium. Patience.

There is no boutique hotel.

 

1 hour ago, Lazarus said:

 

They were also fooled into thinking that the stadium will spur development.  We're six years into this and not a single new structure has been built. 

???…. This 300 Million project is because of the new stadium, your comment makes no sense.

How many tunnels are there and how many should be preserved in the entire basin? In the refrigeration age, do they serve any practical purpose other than tours, unique dining/drinking experiences? That would be why I wonder how many there are/need to be preserved. It seems there's a novelty to them. Just feel like a $300MM development is probably a higher use.

 

Would be wild to see couple near 300'ers in that part of the basin.

Edited September 7, 2024Sep 7 by Rabbit Hash
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46 minutes ago, 646empire said:

???…. This 300 Million project is because of the new stadium, your comment makes no sense.

Assumed this was a reference to the boutique hotel proposed by The Pitch management. It's been years and all we got was a hole in the ground. 

3 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

They were also fooled into thinking that the stadium will spur development.  We're six years into this and not a single new structure has been built. 

i think what the development people were referring to was; OTR, North of Liberty, West End. remember the Dayton Alley(?) project was turned down many times, many years. that project, plus more parking garages and more new apts., is almost complete. tons of money has been invested in OTR itself, plus the WestEnd is going to build the third phase of new homes. Samuel Adams was embarrassed enough to build walls around their tanks. liberty went on a diet, Central Parkway is becoming a true European boulevard, i hear. And, l guess at some point there will be a very impressive FCC village, and there could be a new arena on central parkway.

23 hours ago, 646empire said:

???…. This 300 Million project is because of the new stadium, your comment makes no sense.

 

Except the project doesn't physically exist.  It's not under construction, either. 

 

This is a much simpler project than The Banks, which required coordination between the county and city and ODOT to (quite literally) get off the ground.  That said, it took about 11 years for the first thing (other than the Freedom Center) to open on The Banks (the first apartments were built on the former footprint of Riverfront Stadium, which was demolished in December of 2002).  Even if this vague "300 million dollar project" breaks ground before the end of 2024, it will be two years before any business opens there.  That means we're talking 2026-27 before the first stadium-related project opens, nearly 10 years after Lindner and Berding's "maybe it's Newport, maybe it's Oakley, maybe it's maybaline" dog and pony act (itself a repeat of Berding's "we're taking The Bengals to NKY!" threat back in 1996 - he fooled people twice with the exact same lie [and point out to the Berding simps that he pulled the exact same stunt before they were born gets your posts deleted]). 

 

 

Just move then.

20 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

Except the project doesn't physically exist.  It's not under construction, either. 

 

This is a much simpler project than The Banks, which required coordination between the county and city and ODOT to (quite literally) get off the ground.  That said, it took about 11 years for the first thing (other than the Freedom Center) to open on The Banks (the first apartments were built on the former footprint of Riverfront Stadium, which was demolished in December of 2002).  Even if this vague "300 million dollar project" breaks ground before the end of 2024, it will be two years before any business opens there.  That means we're talking 2026-27 before the first stadium-related project opens, nearly 10 years after Lindner and Berding's "maybe it's Newport, maybe it's Oakley, maybe it's maybaline" dog and pony act (itself a repeat of Berding's "we're taking The Bengals to NKY!" threat back in 1996 - he fooled people twice with the exact same lie [and point out to the Berding simps that he pulled the exact same stunt before they were born gets your posts deleted]). 

 

 

Your hate boner for FCC is so laughable.  

On 9/7/2024 at 1:59 PM, breakground said:

Assumed this was a reference to the boutique hotel proposed by The Pitch management. It's been years and all we got was a hole in the ground. 

The hotel is paused because it's stupidly being held up in court.  The Liberty and Elm development was delayed multiple years for the same reason.  Blame our city for having idiotic laws that allow one citizen to hold up an entire approved development.  

It's NOT being held up in court. That case has been over for ages. It's been a hole in the ground with NO action for almost two years. 

I'm also not quite sure what the expectation here is. Let's say a few hundred million is spent adjacent to the stadium. Expecting that to happen in only a few years isn't realistic. Development of this size takes a long time and they let us in on their plans extremely early in the process.

Beyond that, development globally kinda took a huge hit because of the pandemic. There are projects all around me in NYC that are still stalled or dragging their feet as a result. Large developments simply take several years to plan as it is, then add that in and it's not a surprise there's not much movement yet.

37 minutes ago, breakground said:

It's NOT being held up in court. That case has been over for ages. It's been a hole in the ground with NO action for almost two years. 

As far as I know it’s still happening. Courts did delay this project by about 2 years. It takes a while to get projects off the ground.

3 minutes ago, cblhaus said:

As far as I know it’s still happening. Courts did delay this project by about 2 years. It takes a while to get projects off the ground.

You should check. In court, the 'developer' admitted they did not have financing. Extremely doubtful - this is not an experienced crew.