I don't think (despite working nearby and having been a season ticket holder) that I ever realized just how much space is available at that site and I really like this design (especially the "sweeping plaza" at the corner of CPKWY and Liberty). 

 

Too bad the subway station at that corner is abandoned, but maybe one of the new BRT lines can limp by. 

I'm trying not to be negative nancy here, love the plans. But why is there a surface lot in the design lol. Are they not building the venue now?

 

edit: duh it says later development.

Edited November 20, 2024Nov 20 by tonyt3524

There are still 8ish buildings between Bauer and Liberty that the team doesn't own.  I'm sure that played a large part in condensing this development to only the corner of Liberty and Central.  I'm guessing phase two will happen at some point in the future when they get control of this land and they then infill the rest of the area north of the stadium closer to John St.  Phase 3 is even further in the future if the police move their district 1 building.  That probably gets tied into the arena development if it ends up going on the CET site. 

Edited November 20, 2024Nov 20 by Cincy513

This will look so nice once it's finished and the Central Pkwy revamp is completed. 

37 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

There are still 8ish building between Bauer and Liberty that the team doesn't own.  I'm sure that played a large part in condensing this development to only the corner of Liberty and Central.  I'm guessing phase two will happen at some point in the future when they get control of this land and they then infill the rest of the area north of the stadium closer to John St.  Phase 3 is even further in the future if the police move their district 1 building.  That probably gets tied into the arena development if it ends up going on the CET site. 

That's true but there is also a large Duke transmission line under Central Ave that makes building over it more complicated in terms of easements and future access. It can be bridged over in the future but from what I understand Duke needs to maintain access to that section of Central Ave so they had to condense the uses all to the east of Central. 

 

The plaza and 'stramp' are going to be great spaces, especially on gamedays and I love the idea of the huge gathering spaces with stepped seating and soft artificial grass, it's like if Freedom way during Red's games but better. 

Edited November 20, 2024Nov 20 by ucgrady

3 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

I do like the materials used, just wish they would have kept the hotel/condos at 19 floors. Would like a little height variation between buildings.  For height comparison I believe the Blonde apartments are the same height that these will be (177ft).

Agree. Anytime a project is announced for a certain amount of stories in Cincy, you can usually cut that by 30%-50%. Towers of varying heights would add so much to the feel of the development. 

I like the design and how they are consolidating it, as all others mentioned.

 

The scheme makes it look taller than they are but at least we are adding some height to this area of town. They can always add more height on the future developments.

 

This is all going to tie in well IMO to the Findlay Market area redevelopment moving over to Vine Street and eventually all of Vine Street North of Liberty, to Liberty and over down Central Parkway.

 

I just wish the Liberty Street road diet was much better, would make the area much more cohesive (damn you Cranley).

Some phase 2 details per CBC

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/11/20/fc-mixed-use-development-tql-stadium-design-photos.html

 

FC Cincinnati in the schematic design documents released Nov. 20 named Atlanta-based Davidson Hospitality Group as the hotel management partner.

The development’s second phase, referenced vaguely in the club’s TMUD application, could include around 1 million square feet of additional development comprising five more buildings including multifamily residential units, a multistory office building, another hotel and a retail and restaurant building.

 

Demolition work on the first phase footprint will commence in December and be complete by June 2025. The club will only move forward with the development if it receives the TMUD award, which is expected to be announced in the coming months.
MORE: FC Cincinnati to demolish historic beer tunnels for $300M mixed-use district
FC Cincinnati’s TMUD application noted the club has committed tenants for both buildings, including office, hotel, retail, medical and restaurant tenants as well as an entertainment venue tenant. The names of the tenants are redacted in the copy of the TMUD application obtained by the Business Courier. An FC Cincinnati representative has not responded to a request to name them.
Previously announced development partners include Marquee, North American Properties, Lion Ventures and Sanders Development Group.
 

3 minutes ago, ucnum1 said:

FC Cincinnati to demolish historic beer tunnels for $300M mixed-use district

Historic? There is Grammers, Worthmore on Central Parkway and probably many more old buildings that have cooling spaces for beer. not a loss. it's $300 million of development +

FC Cincinnati reveals design for mixed-use district at TQL Stadium

 

FC Cincinnati has unveiled new detailed renderings of what its proposed $332.8 million mixed-use district north of TQL Stadium in Cincinnati’s West End neighborhood could look like.

 

The full development is expected to be split into two phases, according to the club’s October application for tax credits through Ohio’s Transformational Mixed-Use Development, or TMUD, program.

 

The first phase would involve construction of a pair of 13-story mixed-use buildings, a plaza, concourse space and infrastructure connecting TQL Stadium.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/11/20/fc-mixed-use-development-tql-stadium-design-photos.html

 

 

 

4 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

FC Cincinnati reveals design for mixed-use district at TQL Stadium

 

FC Cincinnati has unveiled new detailed renderings of what its proposed $332.8 million mixed-use district north of TQL Stadium in Cincinnati’s West End neighborhood could look like.

 

The full development is expected to be split into two phases, according to the club’s October application for tax credits through Ohio’s Transformational Mixed-Use Development, or TMUD, program.

 

The first phase would involve construction of a pair of 13-story mixed-use buildings, a plaza, concourse space and infrastructure connecting TQL Stadium.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/11/20/fc-mixed-use-development-tql-stadium-design-photos.html

 

 

 

I hate to say it but the more and more I look at it, it’s starting to look like a suburban office park. Idk if it’s just the way the design looks or what. 

I know it's not 19 stories but two 13 story towers is still rather striking density for this corner. I think it speaks to the demand in and around OTR. Would be nice to see more infill along Central Parkway both on the southern edge of OTR as well as the western edge of OTR (like this).

i think it looks great and has good variation. the stramp, park areas, and investment are what Cincinnati needs to have great major league teams and shows in town. remember that corner just a few years back? Plus Findlay Market and surrounds. a few years back people were talking about north of Liberty. ta da. 

Should be a nice addition to the city skyline.

7 hours ago, tonyt3524 said:

Should be a nice addition to the city skyline.

Much in the same way Stanley Rowe is. 😐

14 hours ago, Rabbit Hash said:

Much in the same way Stanley Rowe is

I know you're saying this sarcastically, but I actually hope the Stanley Rowe towers get rehabilitated. If (big IF) well managed as part of a broader strategy for the West End, the towers could be assets for the neighborhood. 

 

Here's an article from a few years ago about CMHA's hope to get HUD funding to rehab the complex:

https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gallery/news/2022/12/01/see-inside-stanley-rowe-towers-west-end/10762853002/

6 hours ago, jwulsin said:

I know you're saying this sarcastically, but I actually hope the Stanley Rowe towers get rehabilitated. If (big IF) well managed as part of a broader strategy for the West End, the towers could be assets for the neighborhood. 

 

Here's an article from a few years ago about CMHA's hope to get HUD funding to rehab the complex:

https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gallery/news/2022/12/01/see-inside-stanley-rowe-towers-west-end/10762853002/

Yeah, I was taking a cheap poke at them. My thoguht is if they got the Calhoun/Siddal Hall treatment, they would be a very handsome asset to the West End. That gets me excited! We have a budding WE skyline...but man, if you throw out 19 stories, PLEASE come through!

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5965028/2024/12/03/caitlin-clark-jeff-berding-cincinnati-nwsl-expansion/

 

Somewhat related to West End development with TQL stadium likely adding a new team in 2026.

 

If you ask Jeff Berding where the inspiration to bring an NWSL franchise to Cincinnati stems from, the seasoned sports executive will take you back to 2015.
That’s when he and Carl Lindner III launched FC Cincinnati, now a club in Major League Soccer, but then a team entering the second-division United Soccer League.
“Having a women’s team is something we’ve always talked about. It was just about the timing,” Berding, co-lead of NWSL Cincinnati’s expansion bid, tells The Athletic. “We’ve had conversations over the years, but it wasn’t the right time because our core was still being strengthened to the point that we could take on a new franchise.”
But now, after a decade-long buildup, he says, “FC Cincinnati is well positioned, with proven infrastructure, to help take NWSL to a new level.”
The group’s bid received a significant boost last week when WNBA Indiana Fever star Caitlin Clark joined their investment group, and again when their bid was named a finalist to land what would be the NWSL’s 16th franchise. The other two finalists are nearby Cleveland, which previously unveiled plans to build a $150million stadium for a prospective NWSL club, and Denver, which, unlike both cities in Ohio, has said little publicly since announcing its bid in 2023.
The Cincinnati proposal is the only one publicly backed by an MLS club, meaning the would-be NWSL team would share access to the city’s three-year-old TQL Stadium. The proposal includes building a new training facility exclusively for the women’s team, with the group actively pursuing $5million in public funds for a development site.
“We have the ability to hit the ground running and be one of the top performing NWSL franchises, from a business and facility perspective, right out of the gate,” said Berding, who is also co-CEO of FC Cincinnati, which he founded after 19 years with the NFL’s Cincinnati Bengals.
The proposed training facility would be based in the suburbs of Hamilton County, which includes much of the city centre, and would “mirror” FC Cincinnati’s $30million Mercy Health training center in Milford, on the eastern outskirts of town. The 24-acre facility includes three full-size, floodlit soccer fields, and a 30,000-square-foot, multilevel building that houses the team.
While the facility would not be ready in time for the 2026 season, the ownership group envisions the NWSL club having access to the site’s fields for training while buildings on the property are constructed, similar to how FC Cincinnati functioned when they first joined MLS in 2019.
“We will have access to the site and have fields there ready to go for the 2026 season,” Berding said. “The construction of the facility would still be underway, but we would use, effectively, a temporary building on-site to house the locker room and meeting rooms and medical suite, etc., while the primary building is underway.

While no one expects an NWSL team to draw as big of crowds as FC Cincinnati, I would hope that they average 7-10,000 a game and that would be great foot traffic for local businesses. There are certain places I avoid before FCC games because of the crowds that I would certainly patronize before a NWSL game. Here's hoping they name the team Queen City FC or something like that.

I think attendance with be above league average for a new team in Cincinnati.

 

I do know Denver has the highest bid right now but FC ownership is expected to match it and be awarded the franchise fwiw 

QCFC is brilliant. There's no way it can't happen it's so good.

18 hours ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

Queen City FC

This is a great idea, and they really should try to incorporate the Queen City nickname into the name and branding somehow. 

I don't think it'll happen but it's been reported that MLS is going to explore moving to a more Euro-style calendar with games running from Fall to Spring with a winter break. NWSL plays during the summer like MLS so if the calendar switch happens and Cincy gets an NWSL team, you'll have year-round soccer going on at the stadium. I don't know this for a fact, but I have to think bars like The Pitch and a few others near Findlay Market rely on the soccer crowd to boost their business. 

1 hour ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

I don't think it'll happen but it's been reported that MLS is going to explore moving to a more Euro-style calendar with games running from Fall to Spring with a winter break.

What makes you think that change won't happen? It seems like it would be in the interests of owners as well as fans, so my (uninformed) hunch is that it will happen. 

7 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

What makes you think that change won't happen? It seems like it would be in the interests of owners as well as fans, so my (uninformed) hunch is that it will happen. 

Playing more winter games in Minnesota, Montreal, Toronto, NY, Chicago, etc is not very appealing to fans. It also competes for attention and attendance with every sport except most of baseball in this scenario. 

Moving MLS to a fall to spring season would be completely idiotic.  Between the weather and competing directly with the two most popular sports in the US (football and basketball) it would go horribly for them.  Right now the majority of the season takes place with nice weather, when kids are out of school, and it really only competes with baseball whose popularity is dying more each season.  

 

But that league makes plenty of idiotic decisions (ie their Apple tv deal) so who knows what they'll do.  

30 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

Right now the majority of the season takes place with nice weather, when kids are out of school, and it really only competes with baseball whose popularity is dying more each season. 

Nailed it.

 

30 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

idiotic decisions (ie their Apple tv deal)

And nailed it.

The AppleTV deal was ahead of its time, and it'll look like a genius move in a few years now that all the other sports are jumping on multiple streaming services at once and putting themselves behind a bunch of paywalls. AppleTV has all the games with zero blackouts anywhere on the planet. 

 

As for the move to the winter, yeah, it would be a bad move, IMO, but it would line the transfer windows up with the majority of the world and would also make scheduling around FIFA dates easier. In 2026, MLS is probably going to at least test it because the World Cup is here, and I can't see them doing their usual two-week break for the WC. They'll have to take the summer off.

1 hour ago, Cincy513 said:

But that league makes plenty of idiotic decisions (ie their Apple tv deal) so who knows what they'll do.  

 

Haha, everyone loves to complain about this, but thanks to Apple TV it's incredibly easy to see not just the local team play, but follow FCC specific content and content from all across the league. It's more affordable, simple, and easier to use than any service any other pro sports league is offering in this country. Yeah, it's a bummer you can't watch it over the air via Star 64 any more, but the team is also no longer in a minor league. The Apple TV move was a solid idea and it puts MLS on an accessible streaming service in an era that's never going back to over-the-air broadcasts or cable packages unless it's some unprecedented or rare event (such as the final). Maybe it's not popular with the older crowd, but the deal has worked out for MLS just fine.

I'm not personally a fan of the proposed schedule/seasonal switch although I do see the "point." In the US, said scheduling has had mixed results in lower soccer leagues, but I think the biggest problem you run up against for MLS is that it forces you into direct competition with College Football, the NBA, and the NFL (and in some markets, the NHL (although lol at the league)). It may not be a significant hurdle, but it's more entertainment $ competition compared to baseball. 

 

If we want to talk about truly idiotic cash grab ideas from MLS, though: the real culprit is the garbage tournament known as the "Leagues Cup." 

Back to the main subject of this thread but are there any updates for the site next to The Pitch. Wasn't there going to be a boutique hotel or something there? Or am I imagining things?

20 hours ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

Back to the main subject of this thread but are there any updates for the site next to The Pitch. Wasn't there going to be a boutique hotel or something there? Or am I imagining things?

There was supposed to be, but I think someone mentioned on here that they ran into issues with financing. No clue where they stand now. It’s still listed as “under development” on the developers website so idk

Edited December 5, 2024Dec 5 by cblhaus

It's bulls**t that a developer can demolish a building in a historic district that was built pre-civil war without financing already in place and some sort of guarantees of development moving forward. 

2 minutes ago, ucgrady said:

It's bulls**t that a developer can demolish a building in a historic district that was built pre-civil war without financing already in place and some sort of guarantees of development moving forward. 

💯 

 

1 hour ago, ucgrady said:

It's bulls**t that a developer can demolish a building in a historic district that was built pre-civil war without financing already in place and some sort of guarantees of development moving forward. 

 

In general I agree, but it's more complicated if (hypothetically) the developer gets sued after HCB approval permits and has to spend years fighting a legal battle (with real legal costs) while interest rates and construction costs rise. Having financing in place at time of approval might not have been sufficient. (And for the record, I have no idea if they had financing in place at the time of HCB approval.) 

 

Some commentary on this is in the non-3CDC OTR thread, starting in November 2023: 

 

August 2023:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/08/26/25-million-otr-hotel-lands-key-approval.html

 

May 2023:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2023/05/14/historic-canal-era-building-razed-near-tql-stadium/70155311007/

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Twenty-one months later, the legal battle still hasn't wrapped up, according to neighbor and plaintiff Margy Waller. But because the developer knocked a hole in the side of the building in early December 2022 − a move made after receiving the demolition permit the month prior − a magistrate judge in the Hamilton County Court of Common Pleas rendered it partially demolished and unable to be "put back" together in March.

 

I don't know what happened to the legal battle after May 2023.

On 12/4/2024 at 12:52 PM, Cincy513 said:

Moving MLS to a fall to spring season would be completely idiotic.  Between the weather and competing directly with the two most popular sports in the US (football and basketball) it would go horribly for them.  Right now the majority of the season takes place with nice weather, when kids are out of school, and it really only competes with baseball whose popularity is dying more each season.  

 

But that league makes plenty of idiotic decisions (ie their Apple tv deal) so who knows what they'll do.  

Agree with you on the seasons change point. But, MLB has had two seasons of growing attendance. Not a corner turn necessarily, but may be a continuing trend. Rules changes (although I was a skeptic) have improved the consumption of the product. I liked being able to pay a lower flat fee to watch MLS. Unlike Reds, where I had to switch streaming companies to DirecTV or Spectrum or whatever it was for a heftier monthly fee.

Edited December 5, 2024Dec 5 by Rabbit Hash

7 hours ago, cblhaus said:

There was supposed to be, but I think someone mentioned on here that they ran into issues with financing. No clue where they stand now. It’s still listed as “under development” on the developers website so idk

 

Would to see the boutique hotel built on this site but would prefer it to be much taller/denser. Would help make it economically viable too.

 

The new infill height restrictions will probably do more harm than good in OTR. We don't exactly have a problem with hyper development in OTR anyway.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/12/11/boston-beer-co-property-purchase-west-end.html
 

Sam’s Adams is buying more property in the West End. 

1 hour ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/12/11/boston-beer-co-property-purchase-west-end.html
 

Sam’s Adams is buying more property in the West End. 

That’s a nicely medium scaled historic building, kind of a quintessential industrial building to that area, I hope it is preserved.

2 hours ago, thebillshark said:

That’s a nicely medium scaled historic building, kind of a quintessential industrial building to that area, I hope it is preserved.

Agreed. Especially since they own the connected building at 416 Livingston. 

Maybe Koch is doing the right thing and gearing up to move the hq to cincinnati and rename it Cincinnati Beer Company🤡

I think a great move for Samuel Adams would be to create something like what Land Grant has done in Columbus. 
 

Lots of big open lots. Room for more activities so they could compete with Madtree and Rhinegeist more.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZUr1Mk2k6aAiWe7W6

 

10 hours ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

I think a great move for Samuel Adams would be to create something like what Land Grant has done in Columbus. 
 

Lots of big open lots. Room for more activities so they could compete with Madtree and Rhinegeist more.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZUr1Mk2k6aAiWe7W6

 

I was thinking similar with the BrewDog hotel as the comparison. 

The 12.16.24 dated HCB Packet shows the black painted church on Baymiller, that has recently been a single family home, being divided into a mixed use building so they can use the front half as a "social club" called Zusammen. Not sure what exactly that entails but it's interesting to see this kind of development reach further into the West End.

2 hours ago, ucgrady said:

The 12.16.24 dated HCB Packet shows the black painted church on Baymiller, that has recently been a single family home, being divided into a mixed use building so they can use the front half as a "social club" called Zusammen. Not sure what exactly that entails but it's interesting to see this kind of development reach further into the West End.

Here's there website, Instagram, Airbnb, LinkedIn(?), and Peerspace. The LinkedIn does list one employee who is the principal at a Kentucky-based VC firm.

From the website:
 

Quote

We plan to operate on a tiered membership model to allow members to use the space for conversations, co-working and as a place to come together in the West End.

 

Historic West End Regal Theater plans $12.8 million rehabilitation

By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

Jan 3, 2025

 

A plan to establish a multicultural arts center in the West End at the long-closed Regal Theater got a $1.2 million boost recently, landing Ohio Historic Tax credits.

 

The 107-year-old theater, which has been closed since 1996, will house the Robert O’Neal Multicultural Arts Center at 1201 Linn St.

 

MORE

On 1/3/2025 at 3:22 PM, The_Cincinnati_Kid said:

The 107-year-old theater, which has been closed since 1996, will house the Robert O’Neal Multicultural Arts Center at 1201 Linn St.

 

Anybody know what the latest plans/designs are for Linn St diet? I recall the City had put out some ideas/options a year or two ago... but I'm not sure if anything was ever decided regarding the design. Linn is super wide. Would be great to reallocate all that width to slow cars down and create beautiful spaces which attract people and businesses. 

 

The City's webpage says the project is slated for construction in 2027 but I don't see any details about the design: https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/dote/dote-projects/state-to-central-complete-street-project/

1 hour ago, jwulsin said:

 

Anybody know what the latest plans/designs are for Linn St diet? I recall the City had put out some ideas/options a year or two ago... but I'm not sure if anything was ever decided regarding the design. Linn is super wide. Would be great to reallocate all that width to slow cars down and create beautiful spaces which attract people and businesses. 

 

The City's webpage says the project is slated for construction in 2027 but I don't see any details about the design: https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/dote/dote-projects/state-to-central-complete-street-project/

Now that it is part of the larger project, they will have to follow the federal NEPA process so they probably will be required to have more engagement to complete those requirements. There was a contract awarded to Burgess & Niple to run the project for the city which states that they do have a preferred design for Linn, but that is not a final design given it needs to be further refined and there will be more public engagement. It was signed in November of 2023 with ODOT having a more detailed timeline on their website FWIW.

 

I cannot find those previous options although I did find two of the previous meetings on YouTube which includes sections of them. I don't think the third was recorded as it was actually in person, not on Zoom but IIRC those were 3 options that were a detailed layout of entire length of the corridor.

FC Cincinnati's West End Development phase 2 won $26 million dollar TMUD tax credit. Phase 2 includes 2 13 story towers.3 phases of development planned.

 

Only Cincinnati project to get a award this round.

 

https://governor.ohio.gov/media/news-and-media/ohio-mixed-use-development-projects-expected-to-spur-2-billion-in-community-investments-1-27

Edited January 27Jan 27 by ucnum1

Just now, ucnum1 said:

FC Cincinnati West End Development phase 2 won $26 million dollar TMUD tax credit phase 1 includes 2 13 story towers.3 phases of development planned 

Did it mention what other projects won state tax credits? Just glad to finally see this moving forward. 

1 minute ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Did it mention what other projects won state tax credits? Just glad to finally see this moving forward. 

Yes the entire list of awards is in the link.