1 hour ago, Miami-Erie said:

 

The Complete Street renovation of Central Parkway

 

This alone is going to be huge. 

 

10 hours ago, Lazarus said:

FC has bulldozed everything.  They and their fans act like they care so much about the city but all they do is tear stuff down.

 

FCC tore down a high school football stadium, which they replaced with a nicer stadium on a lot that was being eyed for some half-million dollar townhomes. They also tore down some old but lightly used and dilapidated buildings. IIRC only one person was displaced with the stadium construction. The team/company has confined all of its demo and construction to exactly one block of the city, unlike when Riverfront Stadium was built and completely rearranged the entire riverfront, or later when the new stadiums and the Banks came in and once again required relocation of businesses. But because it's a soccer team with Jeff Berding involved, you get a bee in your bonnet about it.

 

FCC fans do care about the city. That's why a lot of them fought to keep the team in the city instead of Newport or a crap location in Oakley. Thousands of us go to OTR and the West End a couple times a week and spend our money at local businesses. We volunteer for community outreach opportunities and even host charity events. But you have to get your digs in at the soccer team.

 

1 hour ago, RJohnson said:

here is a bit of development. Samuel Adams built a nice wall that hide their beer tanks and even painted a mural on it. the Findlay market area has added apartments, parking, and retail which will be completed soon. This development was on hold or dead for 10 years or so. Possible arena, continued development of Liberty, rework of Central Parkway, and new rec center. All these developments incentivize banks, developers, and homeowners to invest in the area. 

 

But none of this was completed in 2021! It's all FC Cincinnati's fault!

11 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

FCC tore down a high school football stadium, which they replaced with a nicer stadium on a lot that was being eyed for some half-million dollar townhomes.

 

Correct

 

11 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

They also tore down some old but lightly used and dilapidated buildings. IIRC only one person was displaced with the stadium construction. The team/company has confined all of its demo and construction to exactly one block of the city

 

Not quite. The stadium development displaced a church, a catering business, and probably a couple dozen tenants in the area in a few buildings. There was one 99 year old or something who didn't want to leave, and that definitely made a lot of news. I don't know the specifics of how it was eventually settled. They tore down (and are continuing to tear down) just about everything between John, Central Parkway, and Liberty. I would guess in 5 years no historic buildings will exist in that area north of the stadium and south of Liberty (very little is left now, I believe only 3 buildings on Bauer). They tore down the church at the corner of John and Liberty, which did have real historic value to the city, the civil rights movement, and reform Judaism. It wasn't just old. They still haven't released any plans for it, they just wanted it gone. They could have found a use for it, but didn't care. I tried to communicate this with Berding and company when they were applying for demo permits, but they weren't interested.

 

Berding also did lie to the West End Community Council by claiming not a single person would be forced to relocate, and said no building outside of the stadium footprint would be touched. He knew they were going to demolish the buildings around Bauer.

 

20 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

But because it's a soccer team with Jeff Berding involved, you get a bee in your bonnet about it.

 

This is true.

I just get extremely annoyed by the way that many of the FC Cincinnati fans will attack you like Berding's guard dog if you dare criticize anything that the team does or any of the future development plans for the area. Or, for that matter, from the extremist NIMBYs who don't want any change and want to preserve every single non-contributing structure no matter how long it's been vacant and sitting there deteriorating. There is so much grey area here. There simply isn't the need for this type of extreme polarization that only seems to be brought out by federal politics, religion, and major league sports.

 

From what I have seen, groups like Die Innenstadt including folks like @ryanlammi and @Gordon Bombay have been much more level-headed and been able to hold two conflicting ideas in their heads simultaneously: we support the team and agree that the team, their stadium, and the surrounding development have been a huge positive for the city; but the team ownership has also made some big mistakes in deciding to bulldoze everything rather than making an effort to preserve some of the unique history of the neighborhood where their stadium sits.

1 hour ago, taestell said:

but the team ownership has also made some big mistakes in deciding to bulldoze everything rather than making an effort to preserve some of the unique history of the neighborhood where their stadium sits.

the land that the FCC has bulldozed has a unique history in Cincinnati? i remember a pig outside of a building or two that should have never been married. Ask the Ballet Company what they think. i remember a lumber supply hardware store, a retread tire store, a few run-down buildings, and a big empty lot where there once was a beer factory. I never saw that historic building. Or, if I did see it historic was not the word I would have used. That land looked like Dresden in 1946. and now it is different. Historically speaking soccer/fotbol is the largest professional franchise on the planet. Some may like it some may not. but, I can imagine a completely new neighborhood of 4 story apartment buildings that look like what's happening in Oakley. In the last fifteen years, how many apartment buildings have looked the same save maybe color and "decorative" exterior panels? We are talking about a basement, not the catacombs of Rome, not Grotte de Lascaux, and not even Family Guy building on ancient burial grounds. Oh, the humanity.

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a big empty lot where there once was a beer factory.

that beer factory (most people call it a brewery) was not an empty lot 3 years ago.

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 I never saw that historic building.

Doesn't mean that the second oldest Synagogue (structure) in the city and a building instrumental to the birth of reform Judaism in North America wasn't there...

 

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We are talking about a basement

Your brewery, er...beer factory...the one you  didn't know was there 3 years ago? It sat above that basement.

so, you agree that it's a basement. nothing like a good foundation to build upon.  So the brewery (I couldn't remember that word when I  wrote the comment. sorry) was not the historic building. it was a brewery. thanks for the correction. that changes a lot. i was under the impression that the brewery was the historic building and I couldn't figure out why. I thought maybe you were referring to the basement. but, now that you mention it I do remember. that part of the hybrid building we called the Ballet. A few years back, I looked up that building to see what it looked like back in the day. it did have sort of an interesting facade. and, the photo I looked at showed it built up to CP. Was part of that building demolished to make room for another building? And, I even suggested that the new hotel could be designed to look like the brewery. 

 

This is why our government doesn't allow three people to get married. they make ugly children. In my opinion. Ugly. Those three buildings should have been razed years ago. As far as the second oldest synagogue (structure) is concerned.  Who won second place the hundred-metre dash in the last olympics? .. and just by chance you know that, who won second in the women's heptathlon? Nobody cares about second place.  buildings that house a group of people on Saturdays and then change so that another group could get together on Sundays, is a building. now if Moses rented the place to write the first books of the bible, and we had marble chips to prove it. I could see keeping it around. 

 

unfortunately, this is my answer. hope everything is cleared up now. Who Dey? Let's Build Some Highrises.!

6 minutes ago, RJohnson said:

so, you agree that it's a basement. nothing like a good foundation to build upon.  So the brewery (I couldn't remember that word when I  wrote the comment. sorry) was not the historic building. it was a brewery. thanks for the correction. that changes a lot. i was under the impression that the brewery was the historic building and I couldn't figure out why. I thought maybe you were referring to the basement. but, now that you mention it I do remember. that part of the hybrid building we called the Ballet. A few years back, I looked up that building to see what it looked like back in the day. it did have sort of an interesting facade. and, the photo I looked at showed it built up to CP. Was part of that building demolished to make room for another building? And, I even suggested that the new hotel could be designed to look like the brewery. 

 

This is why our government doesn't allow three people to get married. they make ugly children. In my opinion. Ugly. Those three buildings should have been razed years ago. As far as the second oldest synagogue (structure) is concerned.  Who won second place the hundred-metre dash in the last olympics? .. and just by chance you know that, who won second in the women's heptathlon? Nobody cares about second place.  buildings that house a group of people on Saturdays and then change so that another group could get together on Sundays, is a building. now if Moses rented the place to write the first books of the bible, and we had marble chips to prove it. I could see keeping it around. 

 

unfortunately, this is my answer. hope everything is cleared up now. Who Dey? Let's Build Some Highrises.!

 

what on earth are you talking about?

10 minutes ago, RJohnson said:

 

 

Who won second place?

 

Everybody that reads that mess of a post.

 

The vacant lot at 1912 Linn St. just sold as a short sale for $20,000 less than its listing price.  How, exactly, a vacant lot ends up being short sold is beyond me (maybe there was a blanket mortgage).  The situation brings back chilly memories of 2009-2012. 

 

https://www.perchwell.com/show/listing/qABJMzc1OrK

8 hours ago, Lazarus said:

The vacant lot at 1912 Linn St. just sold as a short sale for $20,000 less than its listing price.  How, exactly, a vacant lot ends up being short sold is beyond me (maybe there was a blanket mortgage).  The situation brings back chilly memories of 2009-2012. 

 

https://www.perchwell.com/show/listing/qABJMzc1OrK

How do you know it was sold short?  A short sale would mean that the the previous owner owed more on their loan than they sold it for ($30k according to that Perchwell site)? Is that what you're saying? How do you know how much they owed on their loan? Or are you just saying it sold below its list price? Based on info on the auditor's site, the most recent transactions were $0 transfers... so hard to know how much Ask Development LLC paid in 2019 when they acquired it, but to me, it seems unlikely that a small empty lot, acquired 6 years ago in the West End would have more than $30k owed on its loan. 
 

Edited March 7Mar 7 by jwulsin

45 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

How do you know it was sold short?  A short sale would mean that the the previous owner owed more on their loan than they sold it for ($30k according to that Perchwell site)? Is that what you're saying?
 

 

It's possible that "short sale" was entered by the listing agent in error, but here it is:

 

In 2013 I bought a house from an investor who had a blanket mortgage and I remember that factor slowing the process down by a week or more.  It's possible that this lot was bundled into an unusual situation like that. 

 

 

 

The horses are still down on Poplar St.:

Makes me think of this 

FC Cincinnati total planned development is up to 1.5 billion dollars now in the West End.

 

With TQL costing $250 million and phase 1 of their planned stadium  development around  TQL stadium at $330 million a under in $600 in projects committed.Seems to be another $800 million to $1 billion remains to be developed.Id guess this includes phase 2 and phase 3 is the district police headquarters are next.

Edited April 14Apr 14 by ucnum1

Maybe soon, Cincy will be seen as the next Austin or Nashville. but, the last great recession stopped all investment, and the highrise at Montgomery and 71 rusted for years. lets hope we don't see another one of those.

15 minutes ago, RJohnson said:

Maybe soon, Cincy will be seen as the next Austin or Nashville. but, the last great recession stopped all investment, and the highrise at Montgomery and 71 rusted for years. lets hope we don't see another one of those.

Agree on some levels Cincy will be the next Nashville or Austin except it can never be at the same level. 
 

the only thing imo it lacks is a theme and for that Cincy will struggle to ever match the tourism of the other two. But as far as ability to attract young people, businesses, and investment I completely agree. 

I can see Cincinnati getting back to it's pre white flight days of  populations near 500k people though.

 

The city is on a precipe of real sustained growth and seems ready for a population takeoff I will say that.

 

Neighborhoods all over town are getting filled up by large apartment developments and homes rehabbed in neighborhoods that have have not seen investment since the 1960s.

 

Edited April 14Apr 14 by ucnum1

Both Nashville and Austin are state capitals, so really Columbus is the next Nashville or Austin along with Indy, Denver and other centrally located sprawling state capitals. I think we should be aiming to be the next Charlotte, which isn't a capital and is located on/near a state border but grew along it's main corridors with major investment in rail transit and lead by a strong presence of big companies headquartered there. We already have more interesting neighborhoods and architecture than they do, but if we could layer on top of that some major light rail like Charlotte has done the past 10+ years then we are in an even better place. 

Charlotte has light rail?  That's news to me. Back in the day, Charlotte was the largest town in NC. around 150,000. I think the first major companies were trucking companies locating there. then NASCAR. In the 60s the poor blacks were transported from the coastal plain to Charlotte for jobs and education. There was something called the New South (and there was a bluegrass album named the same). I think there was a National Geographic article about the South coming back. Charlotte was mentioned.. Those Southerners were sitting on lots of tobacco money, "waiting for a train". They incorporated the entire county (hint). Suddenly, it was a much larger town. Since then, you can see what happened. Their skyline is ugly, IMO. Variety Vacation Land was the motto for the state. Lots of advertising, rich movers and shakers allowed outsiders to invest and develop.. Lots of banks invested. Winter is better in the south, and AC gets you out of the 98-degree heat and 98% humidity. 

 

I have been wondering who is going to live in all these apartment blocks. I figured it was Appalachians leaving the hollers. boy are they gonna be surprised when they see those rents.  

20 hours ago, ucgrady said:

Both Nashville and Austin are state capitals, so really Columbus is the next Nashville or Austin along with Indy, Denver and other centrally located sprawling state capitals. I think we should be aiming to be the next Charlotte, which isn't a capital and is located on/near a state border but grew along it's main corridors with major investment in rail transit and lead by a strong presence of big companies headquartered there. We already have more interesting neighborhoods and architecture than they do, but if we could layer on top of that some major light rail like Charlotte has done the past 10+ years then we are in an even better place. 

 

Had MetroMoves passed, TQL Stadium, Music Hall, Washington Park, and this new development would have had a subway stop serving them. I don't live in the city limits so using a bus isn't an efficient mode of transportation for me and I can't tell you how frustrating it is to go to FCC games and have to park 8-10 blocks away. I wish I had an alternative. Even a park and ride in Green Township would be a godsend. Rail transit is really the only thing this city is missing from meeting its true potential.

 

It's just funny that when I lived in Salt Lake City, a city that has literally nothing going for it other than skiing and the outdoors, I could live as far away as Ogden or Provo (40 miles) and take a train to any sporting or concert venue (minus one) in the city by rail. It's just mind-boggling that we don't have that, and the city council and mayor seem allergic to expanding the streetcar.

21 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

Agree on some levels Cincy will be the next Nashville or Austin except it can never be at the same level. 
 

the only thing imo it lacks is a theme and for that Cincy will struggle to ever match the tourism of the other two. But as far as ability to attract young people, businesses, and investment I completely agree. 

 

Austin and Nashville did a good job of marketing themselves based purely on vibes. Austin was "we're Texas but not 'that' Texas". Nashville...well...having spent more time there than I'd care to admit, I don't see the appeal. Even the people I know who live there don't really do anything in the city other than the occasional Predators game or a concert or two. Cincinnati has both beat for tourism IMO unless you're a country music fan. There's very little going on in both cities other than the branding. Nashville at least has major league sports and an MLB team on the way.

4 hours ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

 

Austin and Nashville did a good job of marketing themselves based purely on vibes. Austin was "we're Texas but not 'that' Texas". Nashville...well...having spent more time there than I'd care to admit, I don't see the appeal. Even the people I know who live there don't really do anything in the city other than the occasional Predators game or a concert or two. Cincinnati has both beat for tourism IMO unless you're a country music fan. There's very little going on in both cities other than the branding. Nashville at least has major league sports and an MLB team on the way.

I am not a fan of Nashville and am mystified by its popularity but I think you are selling both it and Austin short on tourism.  People go to both cities specifically for live music whether it is a big event or to check out a bunch of smaller venues.  They have us beat on tourism alone simply due to the music scenes.  I also would not overlook the impact that UT-Austin has had on the success of the city.  It has had a huge enrollment forever and is regarded as an elite public college the draws well nationwide.  Big research $$ and good sports too.  Austin has a nice niche with tech companies as well and has carved itself out as a mini silicon valley due to its relatively lower cost of living vs. California (Dell, Google, IBM, Apple, etc.).

 

Nashville on the other hand..I guess the country music capital of the world is worth something and they have a nice healthcare industry but to me it is pretty generic, but obviously popular with many.  They have done a nice job of recruiting wall street co's in recent years which has helped their success too.

 

Our corporate scene in Cinci is great but we really need a win to expand even more, like a start up that strikes it big and grows organically and locally.

Furniture manufacturer to move West End headquarters, aims to build out 'artisanal corner

 

A Cincinnati company will renovate and occupy much of a large industrial building across from its current headquarters in the West End.

 

Orange Chair April 14 acquired the six-story, 98,114-square-foot building at 1034 Hulbert Ave. for $925,000.

 

Orange Chair is a fabricator of luxury commercial seating. Customers include restaurants such as Court Street Kitchen and Sudova as well as universities and stadium operators in the region.

 

Todd Vollmer, with Midland Retail, negotiated the deal on behalf of the seller. NAI Bergman represented Orange Chair.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/04/21/orange-chair-west-end-hulbert-ave-purchase.html

 

I worked for Orange Chair. The owner is an ass.

That building could be really pretty with a little bit of work.