On 10/16/2019 at 9:12 PM, SWOH said:

 

Which makes me wonder why we are seeing so many of these go up as apartment units and so few go up as condominiums. This style of construction is affordable and in demand, even if it has its hazards outlined in the article. The downside is how these buildings will age.

 

Condos came about in the late 1970s and early 1980s because banks started lending loosely and often to condo developers.  That's how we ended up with all of the 100+ suburban condo complexes going up all over suburban Ohio (and the rest of the U.S.) in the 80s and 90s and right up until the party came crashing to a halt in 2008.  Ohioans who are retiring in 2020 with net worths of $500k-1.5M don't have a host of brand-new condo developments to choose from like retirees did in 2005.  That's why "downsizing" to brand-new single-family home is now sort-of big business, but nowhere as big as the multi-decade condo bonanza. 

 

The newer wood apartments in Cincinnati are awful.  I've been in U Square, The Verge, and The Deacon.  The floors do not feel solid.  They probably move in storms.  I'm sure that you can hear people in the next room and above. 

 

This is what apartments used to look like -- masonry walls facing a center hallway, masonry floors, and the ubiquitous window AC unit.  These places have sustained 50-60 years of peeing dogs and marijuana smoke. 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 12, 20205 yr by jmecklenborg

On 10/17/2019 at 12:25 AM, jmecklenborg said:

The newer wood apartments in Cincinnati are awful.  I've been in U Square, The Verge, and The Deacon.  The floors do not feel solid.  They probably move in storms.  I'm sure that you can hear people in the next room and above. 

 

Can confirm, they move quite a bit in storms. The deacon is a bit better, having a little bit more concrete and steel used compared to usquare and the verge. I don't think the quality of the student apartments will be able to pass as well in any west development. I know most people living in the student apartments complain about how the buildings constantly have problems with water temperature, fire alarms going off, and faulty electrical systems.

 

On 10/17/2019 at 12:25 AM, jmecklenborg said:

This is what apartments used to look like -- masonry walls facing a center hallway, masonry floors, and the ubiquitous window AC unit.  These places have sustained 50-60 years of peeing dogs and marijuana smoke. 

I feel most of these attract slumlords who don't seem to take care of the buildings. I know most people in college avoid them.

 

I think the west end will most likely see a lot of rehab'd lofts in the large industrial buildings.

No way those old 4-plexes (or 6 or 8-plexes) have concrete floors.  They may have block walls between units and the stairwell, but the floors are almost certainly wood framed.  That's the case in much older buildings as well as somewhat newer ones (into the 70s at least).  They don't get nearly the respect they deserve, being roughly similar in massing to the single-family houses that many of them replaced or were built.  That's surprising what with all the love for mid-century modern right now.  They're just nothing particularly remarkable on the inside. 

Cincinnati.com: As FC Cincinnati stadium rises, city paperwork hints at changes for the ballet https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2019/10/22/cincinnati-ballet-moving-out-fc-cincinnati-stadiums-way/4056190002/

 

 

Ballet Building is Apperantly moving next to the Baldwin . 

On ‎10‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 11:40 AM, jjakucyk said:

No way those old 4-plexes (or 6 or 8-plexes) have concrete floors.  They may have block walls between units and the stairwell, but the floors are almost certainly wood framed.  That's the case in much older buildings as well as somewhat newer ones (into the 70s at least).  They don't get nearly the respect they deserve, being roughly similar in massing to the single-family houses that many of them replaced or were built.  That's surprising what with all the love for mid-century modern right now.  They're just nothing particularly remarkable on the inside. 

 

The staircases and hallways are often metal or concrete and usually never wood.  The wood joists and flooring in the units is usually much more robust than what was built from the 1970s onward in so-called "stick" construction.  

 

Im curious about what fcc has planned for the ballet site..the article mentioned mixed use developement for that corner which is much better than a stand alone parking garage!

In case anyone was still wondering if property speculation is on the uptick in the West End, check out this new listing:

https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1643536/1116-Garden-St-Cincinnati-OH-45214

 

Some fool paid $15k for a very narrow lot on Baymiller back in September (15x100) and that's making people think they can get good money for D-quality lots like 1116 Garden St.  This newly listed lot is 19x85 and zoned single-family.  19 feet is a lot better than 15 feet, but the rear alley isn't usable for cars and so you're forced to build a house that is nothing but a garage door facing the street. 

8 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

In case anyone was still wondering if property speculation is on the uptick in the West End, check out this new listing:

https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1643536/1116-Garden-St-Cincinnati-OH-45214

 

Some fool paid $15k for a very narrow lot on Baymiller back in September (15x100) and that's making people think they can get good money for D-quality lots like 1116 Garden St.  This newly listed lot is 19x85 and zoned single-family.  19 feet is a lot better than 15 feet, but the rear alley isn't usable for cars and so you're forced to build a house that is nothing but a garage door facing the street. 

 

The landbank owns 1110 Garden St, which is a bigger plot. It probably wouldn't cost much to buy the rest of the block. St Vincent de Paul might want the land. I dunno.  Or if you owned one of those houses, you could buy it and use it for parking. Doesn't seem totally crazy to list it at $16k. 

I drove by it this morning.  The noise from I-75 is pretty bad.  

 

There were about 10 rehabs in progress on Dayton, Baymiller, Freeman, etc.  A house on Baymiller is having its façade rebuilt.  

9 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

I drove by it this morning.  The noise from I-75 is pretty bad.  

 

There were about 10 rehabs in progress on Dayton, Baymiller, Freeman, etc.  A house on Baymiller is having its façade rebuilt.  

 

I've noticed alot of new rehab proposals in the HCB packets as well for the West End. Seems like there is definitely a small wave coming along of reinvestment. 

2 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

I drove by it this morning.  The noise from I-75 is pretty bad.  

 

There were about 10 rehabs in progress on Dayton, Baymiller, Freeman, etc.  A house on Baymiller is having its façade rebuilt.  

Do you mean this one on Freeman?

I believe the preservation society has this one.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1181493,-84.5312625,3a,75y,130.22h,109.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sO7SaaKVFjO3UA5N-DOBtag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Edited November 6, 20195 yr by oakiehigh

1 hour ago, oakiehigh said:

Do you mean this one on Freeman?

I believe the preservation society has this one.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1181493,-84.5312625,3a,75y,130.22h,109.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sO7SaaKVFjO3UA5N-DOBtag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

 

 

Yes that is the one.  Guys were working on it this morning.  

 

6 hours ago, jwulsin said:

 

The landbank owns 1110 Garden St, which is a bigger plot. It probably wouldn't cost much to buy the rest of the block. St Vincent de Paul might want the land. I dunno.  Or if you owned one of those houses, you could buy it and use it for parking. Doesn't seem totally crazy to list it at $16k. 

 

It would definitely be crazy to buy it for $16k, however.   I would buy a lot to park on in that area for more than $1,000.  It's crazy that vacant lot prices are escalating when we haven't seen a single party build a new home anywhere in the West End since the Hope VI project fizzled out 15 years ago.  

In the latest planning packet a developer is seeking a zone change from manufacturing to residential multi family in a former factory at 1101 York street with 29 residential units.

 

I feel like the uptick in development in the west end has been hard to ignore lately...  

 

I know everyone was skeptical about the impact FCC would have with their west end stadium but I think it's becoming increasingly clear that FCC has indeed paved a path for renewed interest in West end developement.

23 minutes ago, troeros said:

...I think it's becoming increasingly clear that FCC has indeed paved a path for renewed interest in West end developement.

 

Has it though?  There's been spillover development from OTR for a while now, and I don't think the stadium has a lot to do with it.  In fact I feel like the stadium acts as more of a barrier.  It looks to me simply like a continuing upswing of an already established trajectory.

6 minutes ago, jjakucyk said:

 

Has it though?  There's been spillover development from OTR for a while now, and I don't think the stadium has a lot to do with it.  In fact I feel like the stadium acts as more of a barrier.  It looks to me simply like a continuing upswing of an already established trajectory.

 

I think we're headed toward a bona fide housing crisis by 2025 if interest rates stay low and other economic trends continue.  Property values have doubled throughout the west side in the past 2-3 years.  Suburban construction is a shadow of what is was from 1960-2007 thanks to bank self-regulation.  So everyone that is retiring and would have moved into a new condo complex (remember those?) 15-20 years ago is now moving to a flipped starter home.  It's putting tremendous pressure on the market.  

Very cool that 1101 York will be renovated into residential. It's interesting that they're turning the first floor into garage/parking. I'll be curious who will end up living there. It's not a very walkable location and it'll be loud next to I-75.  I'd love to see Winchell St get a diet. Definitely doesn't need three lanes of traffic. 

 

 

 

 

 

Winchell is not going anywhere.  The I-75 widening will build retaining walls up to the curb to accommodate the additional lane.  

Edited November 8, 20195 yr by jmecklenborg

Look for the section of Freeman between Bank St and York to start a refreshed mini commercial district soon.   Their are many corner buildings in this area even off of Colerain that used to house businesses on the ground floor.  Only a matter of time now before they start filling in these vacant storefronts.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1101+York+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45214/@39.1173768,-84.5313505,3a,75y,135.06h,100.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWzmEyimE02L-1Pf01fwxUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b41b280b7e0b:0x7bde8b813ca24b7c!8m2!3d39.117363!4d-84.5332771

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1101+York+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45214/@39.1175189,-84.5313346,3a,75y,300.31h,99.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snlA9gO6Qx0NSheWEL-uP5w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b41b280b7e0b:0x7bde8b813ca24b7c!8m2!3d39.117363!4d-84.5332771

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1101+York+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45214/@39.1184165,-84.5312344,3a,84.2y,187.86h,99.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh*tW6lrdfTX7eiHSf6z9MQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b41b280b7e0b:0x7bde8b813ca24b7c!8m2!3d39.117363!4d-84.5332771

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1101+York+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45214/@39.1186082,-84.5328655,3a,45.2y,139.86h,99.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZfVraurYfUrJbi_-WBUB-w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b41b280b7e0b:0x7bde8b813ca24b7c!8m2!3d39.117363!4d-84.5332771

Edited November 8, 20195 yr by oakiehigh

3 minutes ago, oakiehigh said:

Look for the section of Freeman between Bank St and York to start a refreshed mini commercial district soon.   Their are many corner buildings in this area even off of Colerain that used to house businesses on the ground floor.  Only a matter of time now before they start filling in these vacant storefronts.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1101+York+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45214/@39.1173768,-84.5313505,3a,75y,135.06h,100.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWzmEyimE02L-1Pf01fwxUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b41b280b7e0b:0x7bde8b813ca24b7c!8m2!3d39.117363!4d-84.5332771

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1101+York+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45214/@39.1175189,-84.5313346,3a,75y,300.31h,99.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snlA9gO6Qx0NSheWEL-uP5w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b41b280b7e0b:0x7bde8b813ca24b7c!8m2!3d39.117363!4d-84.5332771

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1101+York+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45214/@39.1184165,-84.5312344,3a,84.2y,187.86h,99.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh*tW6lrdfTX7eiHSf6z9MQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b41b280b7e0b:0x7bde8b813ca24b7c!8m2!3d39.117363!4d-84.5332771

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1101+York+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45214/@39.1186082,-84.5328655,3a,45.2y,139.86h,99.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZfVraurYfUrJbi_-WBUB-w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b41b280b7e0b:0x7bde8b813ca24b7c!8m2!3d39.117363!4d-84.5332771

 

Really hope you're right. That would be fantastic!

35 minutes ago, oakiehigh said:

Look for the section of Freeman between Bank St and York to start a refreshed mini commercial district soon.   Their are many corner buildings in this area even off of Colerain that used to house businesses on the ground floor.  Only a matter of time now before they start filling in these vacant storefronts.

 

Yeah, but the question is how much time? I wouldn't have predicted 1101 York to be the next big project in the neighborhood, so maybe things are closer to a turning point than I had realized. The area definitely has potential, especially if/when the old Heberle and Lafayette-Bloom schools ever get renovated into residential. 

Somebody just listed a 20x110 lot on the last block of Dayton St. near I-75 for $29,000.  That's an unprecedented price for a lot in the West End aside from the stadium zone.  

https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/CIN/1644463/1108-Dayton-Cincinnati-OH-45214

 

Here is the streetview:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1108+Dayton+St,+Cincinnati,+OH+45214/@39.1185891,-84.5333909,3a,75y,37.82h,84.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEwsncs4UiHQvzF5TaUeFXA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b41ab7c8bcf5:0x2aa6141cddce063a!8m2!3d39.118792!4d-84.533233

Somebody appears to be building a driveway to the rear of their Dayton St. house from Bank St. across what is probably city-owned land.  

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1187185,-84.5275934,154m/data=!3m1!1e3

20 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

Somebody appears to be building a driveway to the rear of their Dayton St. house from Bank St. across what is probably city-owned land.  

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1187185,-84.5275934,154m/data=!3m1!1e3

I recall an effort to get some kind of parking for a "museum" of sorts on Dayton St... I don't remember the details of which properties were involved, but perhaps this is related to that. 

It's the Cincinnati Preservation Association's project. Adding on-site parking behind their John Hauck House (812 Dayton). They are looking to use it for more events in the future.

Former Wegman building in the West End to be converted

 

 

A developer plans to rehabilitate the former Wegman building in the West End.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/11/18/former-wegman-building-in-the-west-end-to-be.html

That's great news! This development will be greeted by American Flag Company, a few other maker industrial folks, Sew Valley, and the rock climbing gym inside Foxy Shazam's Church of Rock and Roll. 

 

I also wanted to report that they remainder of the Music hall garage whimsical post-modern bridge across central parkway is being demolished.

1 hour ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

I also wanted to report that they remainder of the Music hall garage whimsical post-modern bridge across central parkway is being demolished.

 

I believe that's because the "park" at the SW corner of Ezzard Charles & Central Parkway is being replaced with a new parking lot for the District One police department across the street. But I wonder if they are going to demolish the remaining columns (in median and on the east side of Central Parkway) now that it seems pretty clear the skywalk won't be rebuilt.

From: BuildingCincinnati     https://www.facebook.com/buildingcincinnati/

* Authorized a Community Reinvestment Area LEED/Living Building Challenge tax exemption agreement with E.M.A. Freeman L.L.C. for the $800,000 rehabilitation of an historic vacant property at 2022-2024 Freeman Avenue in the West End into 13 residential apartment units and approximately 1,350 square feet of commercial space. Rents will average $1,250 per month. The 12-year tax exemption will reduce the developments' property tax liability by approximately $11,668 per year over the life of the agreement, and the City expects a return on investment of $4.09 per $1 in property taxes foregone. This will be the first Cincinnati-area project for the developer, which is based in Staten Island, New York.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/2022+Freeman+Ave,+Cincinnati,+OH+45214/@39.119423,-84.5311105,3a,75y,130.31h,106.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3JvwkK1HFQ1CJ1lfJnATjw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b405657e3927:0x630abb421a9d578f!8m2!3d39.1192762!4d-84.5308916?hl=en

Edited December 31, 20195 yr by oakiehigh

 

Was driving down Central and saw that were clearing up the overgrowth around these buildings. Does anyone know of any plans to redevelop these buildings?

On 9/10/2019 at 1:56 PM, SleepyLeroy said:

Speaking of odd west end owners. Anything going on in the old Lafayette Bloom & Heberle schools?  The were both (i think) purchased by the NYC guy (Zada Development Group) who fancied himself a developer but other than this post i haven't seen anything new. Maybe he is (thankfully) selling? 

 

This is from 2017 for Bloom http://heberlelofts.com/#CONTACT

 

Yikes. A lot of graffiti inside Heberle. When I was inside Lafayette Bloom, it was mostly graffiti free (I'll post photos later today).

 

I remember taking a colleague who was wanting to purchase / inquire about the furnishings inside Heberle about two years ago and it was being emptied out that day and being tossed into a dumpster. That was the last I've seen of work being performed but I haven't checked back on it in some time.

January 1, 2020...

 

Wade at Central Ave.:

 

 

400 block of Wade:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A source tells me that DAAP students are designing redevelopments of the Hays-Porter School block for a capstone project.  Namely, a second school is being added to the block + a mixed-use building with apartments above storefronts.  

https://www.google.com/maps/place/West+End+Stadium/@39.1064649,-84.5256308,380m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b5e9feafea03:0x5aff5d42a3b11002!8m2!3d39.1110562!4d-84.5223397

That is such a horribly designed school for an urban setting.    I would love to see Wesley come back to life with a re-connection to Chestnut and Elizabeth.

Edited February 4, 20205 yr by oakiehigh

OTR Adopt only has 1 property left on its website, 2017 Colerain, which they acquired in 2015:

https://otradopt.com/properties/

 

First they ran out of OTR properties and now they're almost out of West End properties.  

 

A vacant, not-rehabbed home on the not-fancy 400-block of Dayton St. was listed at $210k and is now under contract.  OTR Adopt sold a nearly identical house in 2017, 468 Dayton, for $42,500.  

I bought a vacant lot on Dayton St. in 2019.  Earlier this week I finally found a photo of what stood there until about 2003.  The building at center is still there, 445 Dayton, and is being renovated.  I checked with the city and as expected it's illegal to build a new 3-family to replace the 3-family that stood there for 100+ years.  

 

 

12 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

I bought a vacant lot on Dayton St. in 2019.  Earlier this week I finally found a photo of what stood there until about 2003.  The building at center is still there, 445 Dayton, and is being renovated.  I checked with the city and as expected it's illegal to build a new 3-family to replace the 3-family that stood there for 100+ years.  

 

Ridiculous. The architecture in Cincinnati is/was so awesome. 

28 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

I bought a vacant lot on Dayton St. in 2019.  Earlier this week I finally found a photo of what stood there until about 2003.  The building at center is still there, 445 Dayton, and is being renovated.  I checked with the city and as expected it's illegal to build a new 3-family to replace the 3-family that stood there for 100+ years.  

 

 

 

 

But it wouldn't be illegal to build a single-family split level, I assume. Or a snout house.

31 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

But it wouldn't be illegal to build a single-family split level, I assume. Or a snout house.

 

Or a parking lot, or to just leave it as an empty yard.  

53 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

 

 

But it wouldn't be illegal to build a single-family split level, I assume. Or a snout house.

 

Here was the response I received from the city last year:

 

Quote

 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 12:48 PM Zoning Info <[email protected]> wrote:

Good Day Jacob:

 

You have happened upon a challenging property to redevelop.  A couple of starters:

 

You are located in an RMX district.  You are NOT located within a Local Historic District, though you may find some of the architectural principles important as you consider your proposal.

 

Your lot size of approx. 2800 sf allows you to have 1 dwelling on the property.  Any more would require a variance.

 

Front Yard setbacks are determined by the average depth for 300 ft or one block in each direction.  This will generally allow you a shallow front yard, not the required 20 ft minimum

 

Rear yard requirement is 20 ft.  Side yards may be min 0 ft, total 5 ft.  Bear in mind windows on a side wall with typical construction require at least 3 ft without special construction techniques and your neighbors have windows too.  Care in this decision will be important.

 

Typically 1 off street parking space is required per dwelling without seeking a variance.

 

It should be noted you have an industrial use south of the property and it owns the large parking lot west of your property.  We have no idea on this, but if alley like access could be obtained for you and the neighbors, you could have a garage with no access from Dayton St. 

 

 

What's hilarious in re-reading this was the sob story I was told by a neighboring property owner re: historic guidelines.  He went on and on about how he was required to do replacement wood windows facing the street but could do vinyl on the side.  I was like got it, I understand.  Then he kept circling back to this over and over again, as if he's the victim of some onerous conspiracy.  But re-reading it, maybe he was making the whole thing up.  

 

55 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Here was the response I received from the city last year:

 

 

What's hilarious in re-reading this was the sob story I was told by a neighboring property owner re: historic guidelines.  He went on and on about how he was required to do replacement wood windows facing the street but could do vinyl on the side.  I was like got it, I understand.  Then he kept circling back to this over and over again, as if he's the victim of some onerous conspiracy.  But re-reading it, maybe he was making the whole thing up.  

 

You should apply for a variance. I suspect it would be awarded. There is an initiative within various City departments to remove density restrictions in the urban basin, and I am pretty sure a (well-designed) 3-family residence in the West End would be approved for a variance. 

 

 

9 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

You should apply for a variance. I suspect it would be awarded. There is an initiative within various City departments to remove density restrictions in the urban basin, and I am pretty sure a (well-designed) 3-family residence in the West End would be approved for a variance. 

 

 

 

I don't have enough money to build anything without selling my house, so nothing's going to happen for awhile.  I'm sure that building a 2-family or 3-family would be much more difficult to finance than construction of a new single-family home.  Even if the city is cool with no off-street parking, the banks likely won't be.  

 

In order to avoid a parking pad that reaches 70 feet back from the curb, and a 40x16.5' 3-story building behind it (it would be a pretty ugly arrangement), ideally the building would be built over the parking pad or there would be a traditional garage door.  

 

 

47 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

I don't have enough money to build anything without selling my house, so nothing's going to happen for awhile.  I'm sure that building a 2-family or 3-family would be much more difficult to finance than construction of a new single-family home.  Even if the city is cool with no off-street parking, the banks likely won't be.  

 

In order to avoid a parking pad that reaches 70 feet back from the curb, and a 40x16.5' 3-story building behind it (it would be a pretty ugly arrangement), ideally the building would be built over the parking pad or there would be a traditional garage door.  

 

 

 

Yeah - at least in the West End, the underlying zoning isn't the biggest challenge/impediment to building density. Financing/market demands are much bigger challenges to making a 2-3 family infill construction project feasible.

16 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

 

Yeah - at least in the West End, the underlying zoning isn't the biggest challenge/impediment to building density. Financing/market demands are much bigger challenges to making a 2-3 family infill construction project feasible.

 

I think that people would be surprised at how tight the parking situation is in parts of the West End, given how much of it has been physically torn down.  It's similar to Clifton Heights in that many buildings that looks like 1-2 family row houses from the street actually have 5-8 units and as many cars consuming on-street parking spots.  

 

The famous part of Dayton St. has alleys in the back so it's not to bad but most of the West End (York, Findlay, etc.) does not.  

11 hours ago, jwulsin said:

a (well-designed) 3-family residence

 

Sometime last year I drew this single-family ranch on a slab for this 21.5x125-foot lot as something of a joke but also to guess what the absolute simplest thing I could build would look like.  It should be pretty easy for people here to follow - 2 beds and a single bathroom on a slab.  The roof would have north-facing widows that would bring indirect light into the hallway, bedrooms, and combined kitchen/living space.  A 6-foot brick wall would line the side walkway from the front driveway to the rear property line (hopefully zoning permits this). 

 

It's easy to see how a second floor would turn this into a much nicer home.  A second floor with two bedrooms would allow the ground level bedroom #2 space to become the kitchen and bedroom #1 would become a third bedroom or office. 

 

It would be interesting to know if zoning would permit a full basement that spans the width of the lot, meaning a basement family room could have a larger floor plate than the ground or second floor. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pastor on Linn St Road Diet Study

 

I'm curious everyone's thoughts on the future potential of Linn St.  I did a Google Maps drive down the entirety of the road... Yes it is an ugly mess right now, but depending on how the road diet goes (if it happens) this could be an incredibly desirable street to redevelop as a "Main Street."  At least the portions by Millionaires' Row and just south of Liberty near City West and the FCC Stadium.  I by no means think this is a near-term thing, but for developers looking to get in on the ground floor, this seems like the next logical place to invest.

 

Development here will obviously be met with contention if (best-case) Linn St starts turning into a Wrigleyville-type destination full of upper-middle class yuppies, but if Linn becomes walkable/bikeable and the West End starts heating up, I would think Linn is the next best place to invest and build denser mixed-use along the street.

Edited September 4, 20204 yr by 10albersa

I think this is great and could be the start to even more road diets in the city. The city botched the community engagement for the Liberty Street Road Diet by listening to what the community wanted, designing options, the community picked the most radical transformation, and then the city back pedaled until we got the beautification project we see under construction today with barely a diet.

 

I don't know how to demand a better outcome, tbh. The community was vocal and the city ignored their requests.

 

For Linn, I would like to see a robust community engagement session filled to the brim with West Enders. Selfishly, I would LOVE to see a two-way buffered cycle track on one side of the street from Central Parkway to Court Street. Then take a buffered cycle track from Linn to Elm where it would hit a new two-way buffered cycle track on one side of Elm Street bringing it full circle with the Central Parkway bike lanes. A boy can dream.

 

After sketching it out... it would not be very hard at all to have this map of downtown protected bike/scooter infrastructure with just a little political will, a bucket of paint, and some parking stops.

Edited September 4, 20204 yr by Chas Wiederhold

On 9/4/2020 at 4:06 PM, Chas Wiederhold said:

For Linn, I would like to see a robust community engagement session filled to the brim with West Enders. Selfishly, I would LOVE to see a two-way buffered cycle track on one side of the street from Central Parkway to Court Street. Then take a buffered cycle track from Linn to Elm where it would hit a new two-way buffered cycle track on one side of Elm Street bringing it full circle with the Central Parkway bike lanes. A boy can dream.

Public Input session on the Linn project is tonight at 6pm. 

https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/dote/dote-projects/linn-street-safety-improvement-project/

 

1. Meeting link: https://cincinnati-oh.zoom.us/j/95692561024?pwd=RVlsZDdYM1N4QUxxRHhOd29ER1lWQT09 

Meeting password: 798107

2. Zoom app

If you have the Zoom app on your computer or smartphone, you may click "Join" and then enter the following Meeting ID to enter the meeting: 956 9256 1024. The password is 798107.

3. YouTube

If you prefer, you may watch a livestreamed video of the meeting on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSrcR2FkmSnqy_KkQKYUflA

Edited September 16, 20204 yr by jwulsin

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The developer of Heberle is, apparently, still planning to renovate it. The initial plans were more targeted towards "luxury"... but now: 

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His vision is to rehabilitate it into a set of lofts, specifically for artists and recent college grads, as well as commercial space. He said he wants to serve the local community and create a living space that is welcoming to young people.

“What I think that the community's lacking is not necessarily affordable housing, but maybe something, you know, a step above that,” Marom said. “You know, so housing that's unassisted but that’s at a price point that people that are starting their lives, you know, can feel comfortable in.”

 

https://www.wcpo.com/news/transportation-development/move-up-cincinnati/west-end-schools-slated-renovation-sparks-memories-of-neighborhoods-history-of-gentrification