All of your infill is making us Cleveland peeps jealous.

I really like this east area of downtown.  It's got some classic old restaurants/bars/shops with new developments mixed in.  It's also really close to Main St in OTR.  I live on the west side of downtown so I don't get over to this area very often but when I do I always think how nice it's developing.  

11 minutes ago, tastybunns said:

All of your infill is making us Cleveland peeps jealous.

 

A few weeks ago I was in Cleveland and I really enjoyed walking Euclid Ave from E. 14th west toward Public Square. So much great urbanity. Then I got to the other side of Public Square and saw one of the biggest parking lots I've ever seen, bounded by Detroit Ave on the south and St. Clair on the north. How on earth is this huge lot still here? It has to have a development plan in place right? It's prime real estate! Sorry to go off topic but I think about this lot a ton now haha.

 

 

Edited December 17, 20186 yr by DEPACincy

The lot to the right of W. 3rd used to be the Jacob's lot development, which is where this was supposed to go 30 years ago:

It was supposed to be taller than key tower, but now there's maybe talk to re-envision this for Sherwin Williams, and the block to the left of W. 3rd is supposedly to be 'envisioned' Weston superblock, which hasn't seen any press or inside info for the past 3 years now which would take over that massive lot. We consider this project dead until further updates:

 

Who knows, one day we may see both projects happen. But seeing that we cant even get Nu-CLEus off the Ohio Senate floor for transformational tax abatement, I have no idea if we would see anything of these magnitudes in the near 10 year future.

Edited December 17, 20186 yr by tastybunns

^^^Thanks for the info. Fingers crossed something happens on those lots in the near future!

1 hour ago, tastybunns said:

All of your infill is making us Cleveland peeps jealous.

 

Sadly, this "infill" required a demo.  Cincinnati has had plenty of examples in the past 25 years where old buildings were demoed for something new directly across the street from surface parking. 

2 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Sadly, this "infill" required a demo.  Cincinnati has had plenty of examples in the past 25 years where old buildings were demoed for something new directly across the street from surface parking. 

Yes, but the existing building was literally unusable without removing every other floor so that ceiling heights would be more than 7' high. And even then, the columns were situated in a way that wasn't great for development.

 

Additionally, we all know very well those lots aren't for sale, so that argument is unfortunately null at this point.

 

Thirdly, this is an insanely dense development for the building's size. Demolition is something I am fine with if what replaces it winds up better serving the city over what could have been done with what was there, and what was there couldn't do much for the city. Obviously then there are other factors like design that I consider, but I trust Senhauser to do a good job.

9 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Sadly, this "infill" required a demo.  Cincinnati has had plenty of examples in the past 25 years where old buildings were demoed for something new directly across the street from surface parking. 

 

I remember even the mighty John Schneider going on record saying this building wasnt able to be repurposed. 

 

The reality was that it was a detoriating building smack dab in our CBD. It was a very visible building that only purpose was a ground floor retail donatoes location.

 

At least we are getting something tall and dense from this project as opposed to the pocket parks Dennison hotel fiasco.

 

17 hours ago, troeros said:

At least we are getting something tall and dense from this project as opposed to the pocket parks Dennison hotel fiasco.

 

 

Astroturf park.   Again the Josephs are morons.

10 minutes ago, neilworms said:

 

Astroturf park.   Again the Josephs are morons.

Shhh Napoleon, I mean John Cranley might hear you mock his donors... 

Looks like the permits for this are ready to go:

 https://cagis.hamilton-co.org/opal/apd.aspx?entcode=cinc&ezstdadrtag=721||MAIN|ST|GJ1524031341|||CINC|CINC|00790001018000721M|007900010029|007900010180|CINCINNATI&APD=2018P10877

It’s approved, hopefully we see some quick development. 

Excellent.  Wasn't there supposed to be a companion building in the parking lot across the street?

That will be a later phase, probably a few years away.

Friday February 22nd

On 2/22/2019 at 4:42 PM, DEPACincy said:

Friday February 22nd

Crane base 

Yay, excited to see this project moving forward!

How many stories and how many residential units again?

21 minutes ago, troeros said:

How many stories and how many residential units again?

13 floors not sure how many units. I know they are micro units I believe it is 125 total with ground floor retail.

13 floors will be a good size there.  The northeast side of downtown has really changed in the past 3 years between this, the new Kroger development, and the two previous apartment buildings.  A nice little infill building boom there.  

7 hours ago, jdm00 said:

13 floors will be a good size there.  The northeast side of downtown has really changed in the past 3 years between this, the new Kroger development, and the two previous apartment buildings.  A nice little infill building boom there.  

There’s a plan for a second tower across the street (14 floors)where there currently is a parking lot. I’m guessing that will only happen if theses apartments are successful. Would love to see all the parking lots between this building and encore turned into 10-15 story mid rises. 

Edited February 27, 20196 yr by Ucgrad2015
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3 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

There’s a plan for a second tower across the street (14 floors)where there currently is a parking lot. I’m guessing that will only happen if theses apartments are successful. Would love to see all the parking lots between this building and encore turned into 10-15 story mid rises. 

 

I'm here for it. Would completely change the complexion of downtown. It would start to have a "big city" feel. 

15 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

13 floors not sure how many units. I know they are micro units I believe it is 125 total with ground floor retail.

 

Aren't they also taking advantage of the recently scrapped parking requirements and including significantly less parking than what a project like this would typically require? 

Yes. This building contains like 5 parking spaces. If residents want parking, they'll have to buy it separately from a nearby garage.

31 minutes ago, Lucas_uLsac said:

 

Aren't they also taking advantage of the recently scrapped parking requirements and including significantly less parking than what a project like this would typically require? 

 

Essentially no parking is being provided.

 

125 units at an average of 790 SF per unit. 

Edited February 27, 20196 yr by Dresden11

3 minutes ago, Dresden11 said:

125 units at an average of 790 SF per unit. 

 

Are we talking gross SF?  Because 790 SF is quite a big 1-bedroom or a perfectly adequate 2-bedroom apartment.  We had some discussions on previous pages that even 400 SF isn't really micro, it's more studio/efficiency size.  Now if that 790 SF includes hallways, laundry, lobby, elevators, stairs, and everything else, then yeah maybe cuts the number down by about half but that's still a decent size.  

Incredible! Aside from probably Chicago, I can't think of another Midwestern city that has a project like this, with virtually no parking. If this project proves successful (I think it will be highly successful) I wouldn't be surprised to see more mid/high-rises with small units and minimal parking. It'll be similar to New York City where residents who have cars typically don't use them during the week and leave them parked in garages or streets blocks away from their apartment.  

16 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

13 floors not sure how many units. I know they are micro units I believe it is 125 total with ground floor retail.

I thought the micro unit idea was shelved and they decided to do more market rate apartments? THis project has changed so many times. Outside of the building design, what exactly is it going to be? Last I heard it was luxury apartments??

5 hours ago, jjakucyk said:

 

Are we talking gross SF?  Because 790 SF is quite a big 1-bedroom or a perfectly adequate 2-bedroom apartment.  We had some discussions on previous pages that even 400 SF isn't really micro, it's more studio/efficiency size.  Now if that 790 SF includes hallways, laundry, lobby, elevators, stairs, and everything else, then yeah maybe cuts the number down by about half but that's still a decent size.  

 

Sorry- I should have clarified. I believe there's a mix of micro, studio, 1 bed, and 2 beds ranging from 440 to 1,300 SF respectively (from what I've been told) The 790 SF is the average when taking the mix into account.

Edited February 27, 20196 yr by Dresden11

54 minutes ago, Lucas_uLsac said:

Incredible! Aside from probably Chicago, I can't think of another Midwestern city that has a project like this, with virtually no parking. If this project proves successful (I think it will be highly successful) I wouldn't be surprised to see more mid/high-rises with small units and minimal parking. It'll be similar to New York City where residents who have cars typically don't use them during the week and leave them parked in garages or streets blocks away from their apartment.  

 

Currently live downtown and this is what I do. I drive my car a couple of times per month, usually to go to Kroger. It is parked in a garage that is a 10 minute walk from my apartment. 

Living downtown/OTR has been critical for me not owning a car for the past 9 years. I pray for some more Zipcars to be added to the Cincinnati fleet (and I've stated it in every survey Zipcar has me fill out). I'd also like to see Car2go. It was not successful in Columbus but I like to think that I would use it so much that it would be successful in Cincinnati.

I'm not sure what the few parking spaces at Eighth & Main will be used for... probably deliveries and leasing office visitors, mostly. But it would be smart of them to offer 1 or 2 of those spots to Zipcar so residents would have a carsharing option right on premises.

2 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Currently live downtown and this is what I do. I drive my car a couple of times per month, usually to go to Kroger. It is parked in a garage that is a 10 minute walk from my apartment. 

 

It's good to hear that urban habits are forming in Cincinnati, I'm certainly sure you aren't the only one. And lets be honest, Downtown has no shortage of parking to support these expected habits. 

So there will be a brief period of time when both the Court & Walnut and Eighth & Main tower cranes are in the skyline. They should be visible from this perspective (Bellevue Hill Park):

 

1 hour ago, taestell said:

So there will be a brief period of time when both the Court & Walnut and Eighth & Main tower cranes are in the skyline. They should be visible from this perspective (Bellevue Hill Park):

 

What about 4 and Race? Will those be visible ?

I'm not sure if the Fourth & Race crane will go up before the Court & Walnut one comes down. Would be awesome!

Crane going up. Didn’t seem as tall as the building is supposed to be. Walked by maybe half and hour later and it seemed they were getting ready to install the arm.

It's a lil bb crane. Not sure I'll be able to find a vantage point where you can see all three cranes in the skyline.

5 minutes ago, taestell said:

It's a lil bb crane. Not sure I'll be able to find a vantage point where you can see all three cranes in the skyline.

 I was looking yesterday, they all are on the shorter side so at different view points they are blocked by existing buildings. From Mt. Adams you can see 8th and Main and Central/Walnut project cranes. 

23 minutes ago, taestell said:

It's a lil bb crane. Not sure I'll be able to find a vantage point where you can see all three cranes in the skyline.

 

Drone!!

I wonder if you’ll be able to see the cranes from Bellevue hill park? Maybe be able to see 4th and Race from Devou. 

Re: The crane looking short. Is it possible that they jack it up along the way?

8 minutes ago, Rabbit Hash said:

Re: The crane looking short. Is it possible that they jack it up along the way?

It’s possible but I don’t know why they wouldn’t just put it to the full height. The building I believe is 170-180 ft tall. So around the height of the second national bank building a block up on Main. 

Edited March 18, 20196 yr by Ucgrad2015
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Raising a crane is expensive, so if you can avoid raising the crane on a project you definitely would.

Yesterday evening, 3/18.

12 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

Yesterday evening, 3/18.

 about 180-200 feet tall crane. 

May try to get up to Bellevue hill park and snap some photos as well as in Mt Adams to see if you can notice this crane from those points. 

44 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

May try to get up to Bellevue hill park and snap some photos as well as in Mt Adams to see if you can notice this crane from those points. 

You can see the crane nicely from monastery and baum also at the top near the old celestial overlook. The new celestial is nearing completion, hopefully. 

 

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