August 7, 20204 yr By the way, there was no vote on this project today. A couple commission members had to leave before this presentation so they lost quorum and couldn't vote for schematic approval. It'll be back at the next agenda.
August 7, 20204 yr I love how the viaduct facade is broken up into smaller sections. Makes it look more like individual storefronts and blend in better with the older buildings in the area, but still with a sleek and modern look. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I love the color palate.
August 7, 20204 yr 4 minutes ago, PoshSteve said: I love how the viaduct facade is broken up into smaller sections. Makes it look more like individual storefronts and blend in better with the older buildings in the area, but still with a sleek and modern look. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I love the color palate. Really love everything about it. Wish the quorum thing had not happen so a vote could have happen, but I know it still has a long way to go as this was only before the Commission for schematic approval and they are not looking to break ground until next year. I think, but am not sure, that they may need at least one zoning variance so more many more votes to come. I clicked off right at the time the president of the condo association from Stonebridge started moaning about the lost views of its tenants. I don't know if he later redeemed himself after I clicked off because there had been comments earlier about working with the neighbors and people being pleased. Should have stayed on to hear the Commissions' view on this issue and whether they were giving any merit to the whining.
August 7, 20204 yr On 8/6/2020 at 1:28 PM, KJP said: They just picked Geis as their general contractor. It will be Geis' first new-build skyscraper project. Geis rebuilt the old Ameritrust tower and did a great job. But it wasn't new construction. They've never had to put in a foundation for a high-rise, construct the skeleton, etc etc. It's going to be interesting. It was mentioned by the architect that Osborn had also been retained by the developer (obviously very experienced) to consult in regards to the foundation, which they felt was important since it is a narrow site. It was mentioned it will be a mat foundation eliminating possible adverse vibrations for the buildings surrounding it from piling driving.
August 7, 20204 yr They did a nice job of acknowledging the scale and materials of surrounding buildings without making it look tacked on.
August 8, 20204 yr I think they knocked it out of the park with this design. And I bet this building will ultimately fill up very quickly. Just a great vibe and a majority of the views in that building will be unrivaled for a long time to come.
August 8, 20204 yr 15 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said: This project may need a variance for erotic business, because it’s pure SEXY. Looking forward to seeing what might be built down the hill by the river, too. Sounds like a few vertical projects in the works down there too. And then there's Bridgeworks at the top of the hill. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 8, 20204 yr This does bring a nice updated look to this area. The 2222 Detroit condo bldg is looking real dated; contemporary when built but not looking great now especially compared to this new tower. All views from this new tower will be great.
August 8, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, CLENYC said: This does bring a nice updated look to this area. The 2222 Detroit condo bldg is looking real dated; contemporary when built but not looking great now especially compared to this new tower. The first floor of 2222 is really bad. Thankfully this kind of anti-street presence design has seemingly ended.
August 8, 20204 yr Love the design - a slight "industrial" edge that pays tribute to the area's history.
August 10, 20204 yr now that is one fully modern and very, very nice, considerate urban street face. wow. if i just saw that render i would say it was here in ny somewhere.
August 10, 20204 yr Should The Viaduct be in its own thread? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 11, 20204 yr MONDAY, AUGUST 10, 2020 Seeds & Sprouts IX - Early intel on real estate projects Digital marketer Fathom moving HQ from suburbs to Flats In the first quarter of 2021, about 100 employees of Fathom, a digital marketing and analytics firm, will move with its headquarters from Valley View to Cleveland's Flats West Bank. The move follows the company's June purchase and planned renovation of a property at 2020 Center St., called Stonebridge Plaza, Suite 100. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/08/seeds-sprouts-ix-early-intel-on-real.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 11, 20204 yr Added a paragraph to the story about Stella Maris' proposed renovations. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 11, 20204 yr The West Bank is turning into a nice little tech hub for Cleveland. TPI across the street, Snip right up at the top of the viaduct, and now add in Fathom.
August 12, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, PoshSteve said: The West Bank is turning into a nice little tech hub for Cleveland. TPI across the street, Snip right up at the top of the viaduct, and now add in Fathom. Good point. The Flats -- Cleveland's Silicon Valley! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 12, 20204 yr 11 hours ago, KJP said: Good point. The Flats -- Cleveland's Silicon Valley! This should become a thing
August 12, 20204 yr Good point. The Flats -- Cleveland's Silicon Valley! I see what you did there Ken. Good one.
August 12, 20204 yr 16 hours ago, KJP said: Good point. The Flats -- Cleveland's Silicon Valley! I seem to remember back in the 90's, the ladies on the boats docked off Shooters would qualify the Flats as Silicon Valley.... ? ?
August 12, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, Cleburger said: I seem to remember back in the 90's, the ladies on the boats docked off Shooters would qualify the Flats as Silicon Valley.... ? ? There is a difference between silicon and silicone
August 21, 20204 yr 7 minutes ago, Pugu said: ^What does that mean? What was approved and what wasn't? Schematic designs were approved. They are not detailed plans but not as vague as conceptual. When final designs come up for review, they will be more detailed and show exactly what the project owner intends to build. So we're probably six months away from seeing final designs for The Viaduct. After the existing building on the site is razed, they can get geotech drills in the ground and determine with greater specificity exactly what can be built here and how. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20204 yr ^Thanks. So schematic approval is enough to begin construction and final design occurs while the foundation is being dug?
August 21, 20204 yr Maybe I have missed this, but is it still Jatsek that is leading this thing? I have no doubt they can get it done, but it just seems like a huge project for a relative unknown entity (United Community Developers and/or Jatsek)
August 21, 20204 yr 3 minutes ago, Pugu said: ^Thanks. So schematic approval is enough to begin construction and final design occurs while the foundation is being dug? I am pretty sure that you cannot begin construction without, among other things, final design approval but I may be wrong.
August 21, 20204 yr 8 minutes ago, Htsguy said: I am pretty sure that you cannot begin construction without, among other things, final design approval but I may be wrong. I don't think you can. Plus they still need approval for their final landscaping plan, sign plan, etc. But they can start construction before those things are approved. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20204 yr A few comments: 1. I found this rooftop rendering I hadn’t seen posted before and thought it was epic. 2. Hopefully a reimagined Superior Viaduct as a Highline-esque public park can happen concurrently or resulting from this development. This space has so much opportunity and potential to be something far more community-serving and publicly enjoyable rather than asphalt car parking. 3. A before (today) and after (rendering) view along the Viaduct. Edited August 21, 20204 yr by urbanetics_
August 21, 20204 yr I have a vague recollection of somebody proposing the construction of a large parking garage in the neighborhood but I cannot remember the specifics or if it was related to a certain development (it was not in connection with the Viaduct apartments). Am I mis remebering or was this a real thing and is it still a real thing? It sure would help foster the development of the viaduct into something more than a parking lot.
August 21, 20204 yr https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/cleveland-planning-commission-greenlights-city-club-apartments-tower-plan-downtown Per Michelle Jarobe’s article the developers expect to seek final approval in September!
August 21, 20204 yr 7 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/cleveland-planning-commission-greenlights-city-club-apartments-tower-plan-downtown Per Michelle Jarobe’s article the developers expect to seek final approval in September! Viaduct is moving at warp speed similar to Intro. This is refreshing for Cleveland (eg Circle Square). I cannot see it changing much as it seeks final approval. I get the impression that Design Review only had a few problems with it, specially the base of the Washington Avenue side.
August 21, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: I have a vague recollection of somebody proposing the construction of a large parking garage in the neighborhood but I cannot remember the specifics or if it was related to a certain development (it was not in connection with the Viaduct apartments). Am I mis remebering or was this a real thing and is it still a real thing? It sure would help foster the development of the viaduct into something more than a parking lot. Is this the one you’re talking about? @KJP did a blog post in a May (link below). https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/05/clevelands-exciting-parking-garage.html When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
August 21, 20204 yr 38 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Is this the one you’re talking about? @KJP did a blog post in a May (link below). https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/05/clevelands-exciting-parking-garage.html Yep. That is what I was thinking of. Wonder what the status is? @KJP's blog said it was being fast tracked and would happen before the other proposed developments. Like I said, it could help the viaduct become a park instead of a parking lot and stop much of the moaning of the current residents of the area when it comes to parking (like today at the CPC meeting when the vice president of the Stonebridge condo association-at least I think that was his position-again started to complain about parking and traffic in connection with the viaduct apartment building when given the opportunity to weigh in), At least he wasn't complaining about the lost views for the 100th time.
August 22, 20204 yr The prospective developers of 1250 Riverbed and Casto, which has the contract to buy Jacobs' Nautica riverfront land, are considering a parking garage next to the viaduct at roughly where I showed in some of those articles back in May. They also have discussed additional development on more of the Jacobs' land -- the part that isn't listed for sale -- but I don't know how far along any of that is including the parking deck. It's all still just in a conceptual/discussion stage. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 29, 20204 yr SATURDAY, AUGUST 29, 2020 Seeds & Sprouts X - Early intel on real estate projects CASTO backs away from Flats site, replaced by another? Confirming a report shared only by NEOtrans, Columbus-based real estate developer CASTO acknowledged it was interested in a large plot of Flats West Bank land put up for sale by Jacobs Entertainment Inc. However, a representative of Casto said they chose not to pursue it further. "CASTO is not in a tentative agreement nor do we plan to acquire the 5.6-acre land described in the (NEOtrans) articles," said Lauren Bowers, CASTO's manager of marketing and communications. "We did look at the land a while ago but nothing came of it." MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/08/seeds-sprouts-x-early-intel-on-real.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 14, 20223 yr Not sure how current this posting is but if you go to the projects section of Kaczmar Architects you will see renders for townhouses at Nautica. Also a reference to the Harbor Inn as a hotel...hmm https://www.kaczarch.com/residential-projects/#nautica-waterfront-district-mixeduse-development-cleveland-oh
April 14, 20223 yr That pic gives you a sense of what a great neighborhood could be developed in that area.
April 14, 20223 yr With the many crowds, events, and weekend visitors, I don't see this as a townhouse community, but rather one with large scale development and ground floor retail uses. The traffic and noise in this neighborhood can be brutal and best addressed with planning for larger multi-family that has a single property owner or an effective association. - Oh my, I would not want to be one of these lonely townhouse owners on a busy Saturday night, trying to get support for rowdy entitled club-kid behavior issues (or worse) from CPD. Edited April 14, 20223 yr by ExPatClevGuy 'a more complete thought.
April 14, 20223 yr With the many crowds, events, and weekend visitors, I don't see this as a townhouse community, but rather one with large scale development and ground floor retail uses. The traffic and noise in this neighborhood can be brutal and best managed with a single property owner or association andI think like the listing concepts show both could work nicely, as someone that lives down the road it’s really not terrible noise wise/it’s apart of the appeal to live where things are happening
April 14, 20223 yr 15 hours ago, freethink said: Not sure how current this posting is but if you go to the projects section of Kaczmar Architects you will see renders for townhouses at Nautica. Also a reference to the Harbor Inn as a hotel...hmm https://www.kaczarch.com/residential-projects/#nautica-waterfront-district-mixeduse-development-cleveland-oh I believe this rendering is from the Jacobs 2016 proposal that KJP & Cleveland.com wrote about: https://www.cleveland.com/business/2016/05/jacobs_investments_aims_to_bui.html https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/06/seeds-sprouts-ii-early-intel-on-real.html?m=1 Edited April 14, 20223 yr by Larry1962 More details
April 14, 20223 yr Love the residential development but count me OUT on renovating Harbor Inn into a hotel. 🙄
April 14, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said: I think like the listing concepts show both could work nicely, as someone that lives down the road it’s really not terrible noise wise/it’s apart of the appeal to live where things are happening I want all that!
April 14, 20223 yr I really wish they could do the little boat canals as we had seen quite a few years ago in a rendering.
July 31, 20231 yr On 1/7/2017 at 6:47 PM, KJP said: May be expanding the development footprint? I hope they don't demolish this: 2320 CENTER ST CLEVELAND Sales Date 12/19/2016 Amount $1,150,000 Buyer NAUTICA ENTERTAINMENT, LLC Seller DOWNTOWN SELF STORAGE LLC Deed type WARRANTY D Land value $59,200 Building value $207,000 Total value $266,200 Parcel 003-16-039 Property Manufacturing and assembly, light Been a while, but it seems this is coming to light. https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=4473&CASE=DF 2023-037 METROPOLIS BLOCK PROJECT (BLDG. 1) Downtown/Flats Case # DF 2023-037 Address: 2390 Center Street Company: B & B wrecking and Excavating Architect: B & B Wrecking and Excavating Description: Demolition Nautica is still listed as the owner according to the county GIS. There are a couple "Metropolis" branded parking garages downtown, which is just a parking technology company with ties to Bedrock. @KJP did mention a parking garage planned around here, but the location doesn't align with his article some time ago. edit: Thanks @marty15, I forgot about the former Metropolis club on the backside of this block. Edited July 31, 20231 yr by Mendo edit for clarity
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