20 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

With all the Court street development. Could we create a new court street topic?

 

For news/discussion specifically related to the Court & Walnut tower, use: Cincinnati: Downtown: Central Parkway and Walnut Development

 

For general news/discussion related to the future of Court Street, use: Cincinnati: Downtown: Development and News

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On 1/25/2019 at 2:48 PM, DEPACincy said:

Some pics taken on Tuesday (1/22). One is from the north side of Ziegler Park. This building will block the Macy's building from this vantage point pretty soon. 

Took one today from basically the same spot and it is completely covering the Macy's building. 

 

Photo updates from 3CDC's Flickr...

 

 

 

Is there still not a name for this building?

3CDC is calling it "Court and Walnut" but there has not been a proper name announced yet.

"Court and Walnut Parking Garage and oh there's some other stuff in there too"

I just noticed this week that you can see this from the Western Hills Viaduct. Probably visible for a while but i try not to take my eyes off the road there for more than a second as the lanes are so narrow. That and it is finally light in the morning after the time change. Being on the edge of town facing north helps too but some of the closer buildings in the west end and otr had blocked it for a bit until it got high enough.

 

Today:

 

Wow, what an interesting photo! Cool to see those houses miles away looking like they're right next door. How many floors are left on this thing? 2?

How many more floors do we have to go before it tops out? 

Those columns in Travis's photo are part of the final floor. Just the roof deck remains to be poured. 

I love all the development we've seen downtown but I just wish everything was like 5 stories higher.  

Not liking the punch out concrete wall along the south facing wall of the residential tower. I was really holding out hope this design would come together better or look more refined from the renderings but i think my fears are becoming true...

If The Ascent was a square and had a grocery store at the bottom. 

10 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

If The Ascent was a square and had a grocery store at the bottom. 

 

And if it was 60% parking garage. 

Sorry to blow up this thread with so many phone pics but I had to park on the top level and thought I’d share some of the new vistas provided by the garage. 

I hope 3cdc next focus will be that parking lot on walnut next to the library. Easily one of the worst parking craters in downtown imo, and will help reactivate that stretch next to the library and connect that portion of downtown to court st, to otr 

18 minutes ago, troeros said:

I hope 3cdc next focus will be that parking lot on walnut next to the library. Easily one of the worst parking craters in downtown imo, and will help reactivate that stretch next to the library and connect that portion of downtown to court st, to otr 

Always thought it would be a great location for the ballet. Doesn’t even have to be a tall building just something to pull together that section of Walnut.

From a few days ago. From this angle you can see both the 8th and Main crane and the Walnut and Central crane.

^ Is that patio on top of the library open to the public? I've never been up there. Would be another great place to get both cranes in one shot.

 

I heard a rumor that the Court & Walnut tower crane may only be up for another week or so.

18 minutes ago, taestell said:

^ Is that patio on top of the library open to the public? I've never been up there. Would be another great place to get both cranes in one shot.

 

I heard a rumor that the Court & Walnut tower crane may only be up for another week or so.

 

The rooftop patios at the library (there are three: one on the west side and two on the south side) are only open for private events. I've asked the staff why, and they say it's due to liability and needing to have staff/supervision on the patios if they were open to the public. It's a shame because they are great spaces. If you just want to snap a few quick photos, you might be able to get a staff member to let you use the space for a few minutes. Worth asking around. 

Not the best weather today, but I wanted to get a panorama while two cranes were visible in the skyline...

 

Turner tops out 206-foot Court and Walnut tower

 

 

Turner Construction Co. completed the last structural concrete pour for the $92 million Court & Walnut mixed-use tower on Friday.

 

Turner Construction, the general contractor on the 206-foot tall building, said it has taken more than 300,000 man hours to reach this point. Court & Walnut is a mixed-use building that will include a 45,000-square-foot, two-level Kroger grocery store, 139 apartments and a now-open 555-space parking garage.

 

The residential portion of the project is being developed by North American Properties, NorthPointe Group and Rookwood Properties. Cincinnati Center City Development Corp. is the developer for the garage portion.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/04/12/turner-tops-out-206-foot-court-and-walnut-tower.html

So this has me confused.  According to this--which is obviously not authoritative--the American Building is 255 feet tall.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Cincinnati 

 

This Courier article says that the new Kroger/Court and Walnut building topped out at 206 feet.  I could be totally wrong, but the new building looks pretty much the same height as-- and maybe just a tad taller than--the American Building.  Any ideas?  Is this a typo, and it's really 260 feet tall? 

19 minutes ago, jdm00 said:

So this has me confused.  According to this--which is obviously not authoritative--the American Building is 255 feet tall.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Cincinnati 

 

This Courier article says that the new Kroger/Court and Walnut building topped out at 206 feet.  I could be totally wrong, but the new building looks pretty much the same height as-- and maybe just a tad taller than--the American Building.  Any ideas?  Is this a typo, and it's really 260 feet tall? 

I think 206 sounds more accurate. I actually do not believe that the American building is 255ft tall. More around 200. The Kroger building is 320 ft and if you put the American building next to it the difference looks to be more than just 70 or so ft.

Emporis has the American Building at 255 feet as well:  https://www.emporis.com/buildings/122035/american-building-cincinnati-oh-usa

 

And it also lists the new apartment building at Eighth and Sycamore as either 215 feet or 238 feet.  I am certain that building is shorter than this new Court and Walnut building.  https://www.emporis.com/buildings/1249430/8th-sycamore-cincinnati-oh-usa

I like the perspective you get from the garage to the rest of downtown. It provides some cool new views.

16 hours ago, jdm00 said:

Emporis has the American Building at 255 feet as well:  https://www.emporis.com/buildings/122035/american-building-cincinnati-oh-usa

 

And it also lists the new apartment building at Eighth and Sycamore as either 215 feet or 238 feet.  I am certain that building is shorter than this new Court and Walnut building.  https://www.emporis.com/buildings/1249430/8th-sycamore-cincinnati-oh-usa

 

The American Building is 200 ft tall.

 

Kroger HQ is 325 ft tall.

 

Court and Walnut us 206 ft. tall. 

 

According to pages 146 and 147 of this HCB Packet:

 

https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/july-24-2017-staff-report-and-attachments-updated-7-19-17/

Are you telling me that Emporis is lying to me???

 

143 little air conditioners.

A couple questions. It looks like there will be about a 6' parapet wall along the roof flush with the exterior wall. Is that what everyone else is seeing? 

Also, what is going on the terrace at the top level/roof of the garage?

 

And wow, it is great to see the effect this is having on this part of CBD.Fills in a huge gap with a significant structure.

The view from those will be amazing

9 minutes ago, jjakucyk said:

143 little air conditioners.

 

Yeah all of the new buildings seem to be doing this instead of a pair or trio of giant AC units.  Maybe this would ease an eventual condo conversion? 

48 minutes ago, Rabbit Hash said:

A couple questions. It looks like there will be about a 6' parapet wall along the roof flush with the exterior wall. Is that what everyone else is seeing? 

Also, what is going on the terrace at the top level/roof of the garage?

 

And wow, it is great to see the effect this is having on this part of CBD.Fills in a huge gap with a significant structure.

Would love to see the Salvation Army lot redeveloped.

I wonder how quickly 3CDC will turn around with the Kroger redevelopment on Vine after this Kroger store opens?

Well 3CDC is apparently pressuring Kroger to open the new store the instant it is ready. So they must be chomping at the bit to get their hands on the old OTR Kroger site.

Well 3CDC just opened all that office space above Sacred Beast and is currently working on making more office space across the street right next to the Vine St Kroger.  That Kroger does not attract a very good crowd so I'm sure they want to close it asap.  

2 hours ago, Rabbit Hash said:

Also, what is going on the terrace at the top level/roof of the garage?

The renderings on 3CDC's website indicate it will just be another level of parking. It looks to me like the construction crews are just using it as temporary storage at the moment.

They had originally rendered trees going in on that little step-back above the 3rd floor to help screen the garage. Doesn't look like there is sufficient depth to accommodate trees, and I don't see any sign of planter beds. It will be super disappointing if that portion of the project doesn't come to fruition, and I don't think developers should be allowed to lie in their renderings. The garage screening is pretty weak, based on the photos shown here, and if the trees weren't going to happen on the Court St. side, the city could have required some other screening techniques to be implemented.

The zoning drawings show a continuous planter with bamboo in it, which would be much shallower than what's required for trees. Hopefully this is still the plan, because the court street elevation doesn't have any of the pre-cast concrete panels covering the garage portion. 

Edited April 22, 20196 yr by ucgrady

I really wish they would have used greenscreen to obscure the garage. It would have gone a long way in softening the view.

5 hours ago, taestell said:

Well 3CDC is apparently pressuring Kroger to open the new store the instant it is ready. So they must be chomping at the bit to get their hands on the old OTR Kroger site.

 

 

The real estate climate might be hot enough at the moment to fetch large cash deposits for 50-100 condos between Vine & Walnut.  Those deposits could pay down debt elsewhere on their ledger and/or enable financing for more apartments or commercial.  

 

4 hours ago, edale said:

I don't think developers should be allowed to lie in their renderings

https://99percentinvisible.org/article/renderings-vs-reality-rise-tree-covered-skyscrapers/

I understand how it can be deceitful, and it is definitely an issue in the field worth addressing. However, renderings are not contracts, just marketing tools. If all renderings had to be executed exactly as is, you would literally never see a rendering because it's impossible to computer engineer an image to look exactly like it will be built in reality. Also, lots of things change over the course of a project like budgetary issues, zoning review board revisions, changes in program, client's opinions, etc.

 

This is a horrible example, but it's kind of like how your burger at a fast food joint never looks as good as in the commercial...

^ Oh yes, I'm aware that renderings aren't contracts, and that they are basically promotional tools. The plans that are reviewed by the city for conformance with the code are, in essence, contracts, as they are usually reviewed by city staff for compliance with zoning, building, fire, etc. codes. If those plans didn't show tree wells on the third level of the garage and only the initial renderings did, then shame on the city for not ensuring that there was proper screening in place for this garage. I didn't review the plans for this project, and only relied on renderings for envisioning how this will turn out. Of course, there is always a bit of creative license when it comes to renderings, but to totally do away with parking garage screening after showing a garage that is almost totally obscured from view by vegetation seems to exceed artistic license, and veers into the purposefully misleading territory. Of course, all this could be moot if they are still planning on planting bamboo on this level. Bamboo doesn't create as thick a screen as a mature tree would, but it grows tall and grows quickly, and it stays green all year round, which is nice in the gray winters of Cincinnati. Guess we shall see what ends up being there when all is said and done!

 

I don't typically think of Cincinnati Refined as a news site, but it looks like they may be the first outlet to share the name of this apartment tower:

 

You Can See Everything From the Upcoming Downtown Kroger '1010 On The Rhine' Apartments

 

With the first two stories dedicated to the Kroger store and the following seven stories above it committed to parking, that leaves eight additional stories for luxury apartments, which benefit from not only the prime location previously described, but also the fact that living several stories above a grocery store will ensure never having to load groceries into a car again. Entitled 1010 On The Rhine (a reference to the nickname 19th-century German immigrants gave to the canal, which was later replaced with present-day Central Parkway in the 1920s), the apartments are slated to be among the most attractive living spaces downtown when they begin renting later this year.

 

17 minutes ago, taestell said:

I don't typically think of Cincinnati Refined as a news site, but it looks like they may be the first outlet to share the name of this apartment tower:

 

You Can See Everything From the Upcoming Downtown Kroger '1010 On The Rhine' Apartments

 

With the first two stories dedicated to the Kroger store and the following seven stories above it committed to parking, that leaves eight additional stories for luxury apartments, which benefit from not only the prime location previously described, but also the fact that living several stories above a grocery store will ensure never having to load groceries into a car again. Entitled 1010 On The Rhine (a reference to the nickname 19th-century German immigrants gave to the canal, which was later replaced with present-day Central Parkway in the 1920s), the apartments are slated to be among the most attractive living spaces downtown when they begin renting later this year.

 

 

Those are some incredible views

And they have a website: http://1010ontherhine.com