April 30, 20196 yr 38 minutes ago, taestell said: And they have a website: http://1010ontherhine.com And they have a picture of some other city when talking about "The Neighborhood" you can live in (note the rails in the street dead ending into a crosswalk and the residential towers in the background that don't exist here)
April 30, 20196 yr "...the newest hub for art, culture, food, and experience." They clearly have not spent any time in front of the Jobs & Family Services building ?
April 30, 20196 yr LOL It does appear to be an Ontario license plate on that Toyota. Edited April 30, 20196 yr by oakiehigh
May 23, 20196 yr I am still surprised on how quick this development came about from announcement to construction to near completion. The Kroger store is slated to open by the end of September I believe. Is this how typical development occurs in other cities ? It would be refreshing if other projects in Cincy would occur at this same pace.
May 23, 20196 yr Why is the Kroger waiting until September to open? All the finishes are installed, the power is on, they just need to install the merchandise which typically takes about 6 weeks. It seems like they finished that area quickly along with the parking garage, but have since let it sit idle as they focus on the apartments above.
May 23, 20196 yr It's a really interesting process that happens on the day an old Kroger closes and a new one opens up next to it. You can get cheap frozen food and meats, that's for sure.
May 23, 20196 yr 31 minutes ago, ucgrady said: Why is the Kroger waiting until September to open? All the finishes are installed, the power is on, they just need to install the merchandise which typically takes about 6 weeks. From what multiple sources have told me, Kroger was originally on track to open as early as March, but they have been intentionally dragging their feet and stretching out the construction timeline. The primary reason is that they do not want the store to open while the tower is still under construction, because Corporate believes it is "bad for their brand" to have a new store opening with construction still going on. At the same time, 3CDC has been pushing them to open as soon as possible because they want to get their hands on the OTR Kroger site. This is yet another anecdote that leads me to believe that Kroger (at least the Greater Cincinnati division) still doesn't "get" urban stores.
May 23, 20196 yr ^ I haven't heard any rumors but my initial instinct was that they simply don't want to have a grand opening in the middle of an active construction site. It makes practical sense to me - this is a flagship urban store next door to their HQ and they want to ensure the site is perfect before they open it up. You don't want to worry about scaffolding over the sidewalk, trucks beeping, stacks of drywall being carried into the building, etc. Plus there's some liability concerns. I've worked on projects that could have been phased (as this one appears it could have been) but owners often prefer to wait until everything is ready to go and there can be a clean flip of the switch between construction and occupancy.
May 23, 20196 yr Yeah as a downtown resident I wish they were opening sooner so I could frequent the store but I completely understand them not doing it until the apartments are finished.
May 23, 20196 yr They probably don't want to remind people of what happened at Kenwood when Kroger opened up in the Boodoggle Building way before it was done, then closed.
May 23, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, GCrites80s said: They probably don't want to remind people of what happened at Kenwood when Kroger opened up in the Boodoggle Building way before it was done, then closed. Or the guy from the "Simply Money" radio show who lost $2.4 million: https://www.citybeat.com/news/article/13009751/not-so-simple Plus, it's no coincidence that BoA's Cincinnati office is in the Kenwood Connection, or whatever it's called -- they foreclosed on that damn thing.
June 27, 20195 yr Kroger names 5 restaurants that will occupy new downtown store By Steve Watkins – Staff Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier Kroger Co. has identified the five restaurants that will be located in its soon-to-be opened downtown store's food hall. Eli's BBQ, Kroger's own Kitchen 1883 restaurant, Dope Asian Street Food, Django Western Taco and Queen City Whip will be located in the store's food hall, Kroger CEO Rodney McMullen said during the company's annual meeting Thursday. McMullen called out Eli's, which has locations on a couple of other Kroger stores, as "one of my favorites." MORE
June 27, 20195 yr Damn those are pretty solid choices. For those that work around the area that will become a pretty popular lunch spot.
June 27, 20195 yr 51 minutes ago, Cincy513 said: Damn those are pretty solid choices. For those that work around the area that will become a pretty popular lunch spot. Wonder if this will effect otr lunch spots...also will Starbucks effect coffee emporium?
June 27, 20195 yr 35 minutes ago, troeros said: Wonder if this will effect otr lunch spots...also will Starbucks effect coffee emporium? I'd say it'll take some lunch time business, but I doubt Coffee Emporium will suffer. It might hurt the Dunkin on Court Street.
June 27, 20195 yr Since Lucius Q opened I don't bother going up to Eli's at Findlay anymore, or Pontiac, but Eli's is still my favorite pulled pork so I could see going there. Since Dope re-re-branded to Huit (or is it Little Huit?) it only lasted a few months and it's been closed since. Maybe they're open for dinner but I doubt it. So it will be nice to have them back as I do really like their ramen, but for all I know they're going to change to yet another concept. I can't speak for the rest.
July 17, 20195 yr Does anyone know what the price point will be like for the apartments? The most details I can find are "139 luxury apartments with 12 different floorplans ranging from studios to one- and two-bedroom spaces." At Encore, their cheapest unit is a 689SF studio for $1595. I really hope 1010 ends up less expensive than this...
July 17, 20195 yr Pretty impressed - it seems like they are bringing the urban food hall concept (think food court but run by modern hipsters/yuppies) that's pretty popular, though with Mariano having a say in Kroger, they are in good hands. I'm looking forward to going down there and seeing this open.
July 17, 20195 yr From what I have heard, they are aiming for 1010 to be more affordable than some of the other downtown apartment complexes like Encore.
August 5, 20195 yr I love the building heights on Central. Just need to fill in the few remaining parking lots and get the Salvation Army to move.
August 5, 20195 yr 20 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said: How many air conditioners? More. Ha actually I see 136.
August 5, 20195 yr When you look at it from the ground, the massive parking garage dwarfs the apartments that sit above it, which look like they only have 8-foot ceilings in comparison. Nothing is too good for cars, so the budget is cut on everything else.
August 5, 20195 yr 31 minutes ago, jjakucyk said: When you look at it from the ground, the massive parking garage dwarfs the apartments that sit above it, which look like they only have 8-foot ceilings in comparison. Nothing is too good for cars, so the budget is cut on everything else. How much more does it cost to build an apartment building of this type with 9-foot ceilings? Material costs can't be that much higher and I assume that labor costs are the exact same. I imagine that heating/cooling is slightly more expensive since the volume to be conditioned is roughly 10% greater and since heat rises it might require more than 10% more heat to achieve the same temp in the lower half of each apartment.
August 6, 20195 yr It’s a lot more than you would think to increase floor to floor heights. One thing to keep in mind is that almost all building materials are modular 8’ sizes, so anything above that from 10’ studs to drywall and concrete forms all add up. Multiply that times many floors and it’s a huge difference, we once reduced a floor to floor height on new construction by 7” on a four story building and it saved around half a million (granted it had large floor plates).
August 6, 20195 yr I'm not 10 feet tall; what good do high ceilings do for me? They make the bills higher and lights suck to change.
August 6, 20195 yr When value engineering gets involved it all goes down the toilet. Garages are already about as no-frills as they can get, but they're still fantastically expensive compared to the rest of the building. Shaving off that last 5% of the budget (or even less) takes not only a ton of work to achieve design and selection-wise, but that's also where a decent building gets turned into a complete turd sandwich. That's why I'm excited to see how 8th and Main turns out. It's not cheap construction (post-tensioned concrete), but there's no ramps or other shenanigans, so it's a simple and repeatable floor plate.
August 6, 20195 yr 15 minutes ago, GCrites80s said: I'm not 10 feet tall; what good do high ceilings do for me? They make the bills higher and lights suck to change. Oh I think ceiling height makes a huge difference in whether or not a place feels cramped. I went from a 450 sq. ft. apartment with very low ceilings (basement level unit) to an apartment that was about 550 sq. ft. with very tall ceilings, and the unit felt twice as big.
August 6, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, ucgrady said: It’s a lot more than you would think to increase floor to floor heights. One thing to keep in mind is that almost all building materials are modular 8’ sizes, so anything above that from 10’ studs to drywall and concrete forms all add up. Multiply that times many floors and it’s a huge difference, we once reduced a floor to floor height on new construction by 7” on a four story building and it saved around half a million (granted it had large floor plates). By saved, you mean the developer made $500k more.
August 6, 20195 yr Perhaps, but it's also just as likely to be something along the lines of "either cut $500K out of the budget or the project is dead." Whether that's because the financing isn't available, or the units won't sell/rent, it could be any number of things. "Hurr durr greed" is the knee-jerk response, but in a competitive market fractions of a percent matter, unfortunately.
August 6, 20195 yr Back to my original question - is there any rule of thumb for increased heating/cooling costs for high ceilings?
August 6, 20195 yr It's based on total volume, so going from 8' to 9' ceilings would be a 12.5% increase.
August 6, 20195 yr 22 minutes ago, jjakucyk said: It's based on total volume, so going from 8' to 9' ceilings would be a 12.5% increase. Incidentally, the guys who replace your AC/furnace like to scam you buy getting you to buy a larger unit than what you need. At least with a new home you have time to make sure they aren't getting you, but when your heating/cooling go out, they easily cajole people into buying something to-day without doing research.
August 6, 20195 yr It's easy enough to just replace the unit with one of the same size without running any calculations. If the homeowner says it worked fine before, why change things up? When I was in high school the furnace for our family room and master suite developed a crack in the heat exchanger, and they replaced it with a much smaller one. They said the one that was installed when the addition was built was way oversized. So you get honest ones too.
August 6, 20195 yr 12 minutes ago, jjakucyk said: It's easy enough to just replace the unit with one of the same size without running any calculations. If the homeowner says it worked fine before, why change things up? When I was in high school the furnace for our family room and master suite developed a crack in the heat exchanger, and they replaced it with a much smaller one. They said the one that was installed when the addition was built was way oversized. So you get honest ones too. The problem is when these guys come to the house it's not like they can install three different models so you can compare them. You have to take their word on everything - for example how loud a particular AC unit might be compared to the old one. Speaking of loud HVAC -- what's up with the stuff on the roof of Children's? It's easily the loudest building in the city.
August 6, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said: The problem is when these guys come to the house it's not like they can install three different models so you can compare them. You have to take their word on everything - for example how loud a particular AC unit might be compared to the old one. Speaking of loud HVAC -- what's up with the stuff on the roof of Children's? It's easily the loudest building in the city. They are doing alot of air changes.
August 10, 20195 yr Taken 8/10. Hopefully this parking lot get developed soon. Edited August 10, 20195 yr by Ucgrad2015 Addition
August 13, 20195 yr ^^ Yep, my company is still getting things to make for them and the deadline is making me very nervous. Crazy how many things are left to the last minute in the retail world and construction in general.
August 13, 20195 yr Hopefully this is a big traffic generator for court street. It's still so awkward to walk along court street on a saturday afternoon and see it be a complete ghost town. You might run into a few rambling homeless people that are yelling to themselves in the alleyways, but pedestrians are scarce. I know its been mentioned alot here, but Court Street has such potential as a commercial strip and have a flurry of pedestrian activity. It's a shame the city was so broke for so long that court street was so neglected for so many decades.
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