This is mostly Race, Elm, Republic, and Pleasant from 12th north to Findlay St.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Jake, I really enjoy your perspective in the pictures, I had a hard time on a couple of these areas figuring out where they were because of the angles you take. 

 

Quick question: Does this seem like this is the most going on construction wise in OTR over the past few years?

 

I think it is, with all the smaller developers now in the game.  3CDC of course also has a very important role and they are doing a lot right now with big projects.  Will be excited to see what they take on next after they finish Music Hall and Memorial Hall.  The new Kroger apartments?  Macy's tower?  Structured parking around Findlay Market? 

Great photos, as an out of towner I really appreciate the comprehensive set!

One of the best OTR threads ever.

[Hi, long time lurker... OTR Resident on a 3 year UC Masters periodic exile in Seattle/Philly]

 

Great photo set. West of Vine is just one big construction site. Thanks for showing how 15th St is turning out. My place is on Magnolia.

 

While they've been there a few years now, I find the new-construction, street-facing, single-story garages on Republic to be really poor uses of a lot. I might be so bold to say they offend me from a density/urbanist perspective. Anyone else? Is there a way to prevent that type of construction in the future?

 

Glad to see more expressions of contextual contemporary popping up in the neighborhood with Terry Boling, Jose Garcia, Nick Dewald, and 3CDCs new projects. Wish Towne Properties could figure out how to do the same instead of erecting faux-historic Italianate. 

Thanks Jake, I really enjoy your perspective in the pictures, I had a hard time on a couple of these areas figuring out where they were because of the angles you take. 

 

Well those angles are sort of forced on you on the narrow streets.  There isn't any room to back up.  The way around it, sort-of, is to carry an 8-foot ladder around, which I actually have done in the past.  That makes a huge difference because you're able to photograph the buildings without so much foreshortening and you get well above the parked cars. 

 

 

Quick question: Does this seem like this is the most going on construction wise in OTR over the past few years?

 

I think it is, with all the smaller developers now in the game.  3CDC of course also has a very important role and they are doing a lot right now with big projects.  Will be excited to see what they take on next after they finish Music Hall and Memorial Hall.  The new Kroger apartments?  Macy's tower?  Structured parking around Findlay Market? 

 

Yeah it's cool seeing a variety of smaller parties getting involved ranging from individuals rehabbing individual buildings to small developers doing just a few houses.  The thing is that the 3CDC stuff on the main streets has the tendency to mask how many vacant properties haven't been touched and how many empty lots are still present in pretty much every block.  A few blocks give the appearance of being "finished" but they really aren't even close.  I'd roughly estimate that OTR isn't even 1/4 redeveloped at this point.  The problem is that a lot of people who bought buildings or lots recently paid a ton for them so those projects aren't going to be very profitable and if the economy dips whatever plans they have drawn up aren't going to be carried out for five years. 

 

 

While they've been there a few years now, I find the new-construction, street-facing, single-story garages on Republic to be really poor uses of a lot. I might be so bold to say they offend me from a density/urbanist perspective. Anyone else? Is there a way to prevent that type of construction in the future?

 

Before I left Cincy my condo on Race Street overlooked Goose Alley and through to Republic. When I moved in the grey house close to 15th was being rehabbed and its garage had just started construction. Although not having a tall building there meant my view of the hills was unobstructed I hated that thing. The people who lived there were incredibly suburban. They recently sold the property after having only been there a year and a half or so. I wonder if they stayed in the neighborhood or not.

 

The little turquoise one is a super awful home. It was open for the holiday home tour and it's just terrible inside and out. That garage dominates its exterior and the interior is so lifeless and poorly thought out. It wouldn't surprise me if the next owner of that property were to do a major renovation to the entire property and do something differently wit the garage, even if that only means putting some habitable space above it instead of the mega-sized roof deck it currently has.

Thanks Jake, I really enjoy your perspective in the pictures, I had a hard time on a couple of these areas figuring out where they were because of the angles you take. 

 

Well those angles are sort of forced on you on the narrow streets.  There isn't any room to back up.  The way around it, sort-of, is to carry an 8-foot ladder around, which I actually have done in the past.  That makes a huge difference because you're able to photograph the buildings without so much foreshortening and you get well above the parked cars. 

 

 

Quick question: Does this seem like this is the most going on construction wise in OTR over the past few years?

 

I think it is, with all the smaller developers now in the game.  3CDC of course also has a very important role and they are doing a lot right now with big projects.  Will be excited to see what they take on next after they finish Music Hall and Memorial Hall.  The new Kroger apartments?  Macy's tower?  Structured parking around Findlay Market? 

 

Yeah it's cool seeing a variety of smaller parties getting involved ranging from individuals rehabbing individual buildings to small developers doing just a few houses.  The thing is that the 3CDC stuff on the main streets has the tendency to mask how many vacant properties haven't been touched and how many empty lots are still present in pretty much every block.  A few blocks give the appearance of being "finished" but they really aren't even close.  I'd roughly estimate that OTR isn't even 1/4 redeveloped at this point.  The problem is that a lot of people who bought buildings or lots recently paid a ton for them so those projects aren't going to be very profitable and if the economy dips whatever plans they have drawn up aren't going to be carried out for five years.

 

I was actually getting a bit dizzy trying to figure out in my head where everything was because I was so tired I had to finish looking through this morning.

 

I think you are correct only about 1/4 is redeveloped in OTR.  There is so much more to go.  It seems the economy is doing a bit better but I would venture to guess there is still another big "correction" phase which should probably hit in the next few years I would guess and last a couple years of a more minor recession.  I think we are in the midst of a really good boom comparatively and hopefully more projects can get off the ground in the next few years before the inevitable recession happens. 

 

I would think that 3CDC and some other big time developers can continue clipping along but the smaller time developers will definitely have an awful time making numbers work if and when the next recession hits.

[Hi, long time lurker... OTR Resident on a 3 year UC Masters periodic exile in Seattle/Philly]

 

Great photo set. West of Vine is just one big construction site. Thanks for showing how 15th St is turning out. My place is on Magnolia.

 

While they've been there a few years now, I find the new-construction, street-facing, single-story garages on Republic to be really poor uses of a lot. I might be so bold to say they offend me from a density/urbanist perspective. Anyone else? Is there a way to prevent that type of construction in the future?

 

Glad to see more expressions of contextual contemporary popping up in the neighborhood with Terry Boling, Jose Garcia, Nick Dewald, and 3CDCs new projects. Wish Towne Properties could figure out how to do the same instead of erecting faux-historic Italianate.

 

I feel like the garages are an unfortunate necessity. You are asking people to pay upwards to 500k-700k for a new luxery condo, in a city that still has pretty poor public transit, and a neighborhood that still has a high rate of crime and theft. There have been many instances where I've seen cars parked on the street with it's window shattered. I'm not sure if it's just residents playing a joke, or trying to steal.

 

That said, give it time. OTR is still developing, and is still a very "brave" step forward for new urban dwellers. The neighborhood is still gentrifying, the city still needs better public transit, and if these garages help nudge people towards paying for these luxury 600K dollar condo's then so be it.

 

 

Thanks Jake, I really enjoy your perspective in the pictures, I had a hard time on a couple of these areas figuring out where they were because of the angles you take. 

 

Well those angles are sort of forced on you on the narrow streets.  There isn't any room to back up.  The way around it, sort-of, is to carry an 8-foot ladder around, which I actually have done in the past.  That makes a huge difference because you're able to photograph the buildings without so much foreshortening and you get well above the parked cars. 

 

 

Quick question: Does this seem like this is the most going on construction wise in OTR over the past few years?

 

I think it is, with all the smaller developers now in the game.  3CDC of course also has a very important role and they are doing a lot right now with big projects.  Will be excited to see what they take on next after they finish Music Hall and Memorial Hall.  The new Kroger apartments?  Macy's tower?  Structured parking around Findlay Market? 

 

Yeah it's cool seeing a variety of smaller parties getting involved ranging from individuals rehabbing individual buildings to small developers doing just a few houses.  The thing is that the 3CDC stuff on the main streets has the tendency to mask how many vacant properties haven't been touched and how many empty lots are still present in pretty much every block.  A few blocks give the appearance of being "finished" but they really aren't even close.  I'd roughly estimate that OTR isn't even 1/4 redeveloped at this point.  The problem is that a lot of people who bought buildings or lots recently paid a ton for them so those projects aren't going to be very profitable and if the economy dips whatever plans they have drawn up aren't going to be carried out for five years.

 

I was actually getting a bit dizzy trying to figure out in my head where everything was because I was so tired I had to finish looking through this morning.

 

I think you are correct only about 1/4 is redeveloped in OTR.  There is so much more to go.  It seems the economy is doing a bit better but I would venture to guess there is still another big "correction" phase which should probably hit in the next few years I would guess and last a couple years of a more minor recession.  I think we are in the midst of a really good boom comparatively and hopefully more projects can get off the ground in the next few years before the inevitable recession happens. 

 

I would think that 3CDC and some other big time developers can continue clipping along but the smaller time developers will definitely have an awful time making numbers work if and when the next recession hits.

 

I would argue it's probably more around 10-15%, especially if we add in Pendelton into the mix.

 

South of Liberty still needs work. Even the beginning blocks of Vine St need infill work (12th and vine and that massive lot), and then on the other side you have that large lot that makes republic street visible. Clay St, Walnut street, even Main St (the beginning block of Main by the Davis furniture building) need some infill.

 

Then there's the retail aspect. There are streets that are just so void of any life right now. I know Elm is residential (at least on the south of liberty side), but it would be awesome if we can manage to maybe squeeze a cafe/resturaunt into that block.

 

Walnut Street is mainly anchored by 16 bit. It's pretty dead if it wasn't for that barcade. Main St just constantly struggles in the day and evening hours. Of course all the bars help with it's night life, but that street is incredibly dead in the morning compared to Vine.

 

Then there's obvious gaps that make up Liberty St, and the giant Sycamore Lot that will help intertwine OTR and Pendelton into one. I also can't wait for the day we can demolish that ugly building on Sycamore St that hosts nothing but failing businesses (and hopefully the park haus garage on sycamore can go to).

 

That's just regarding south of liberty. North of Liberty needs less infill work, but there's still lots that need to be filled, and the obvious issue of redeveloping all of the buildings that remain. Also that massive Findley Market parking lot NEEDS to be redeveloped. I'm hoping for underground parking, with perhaps something that extends findley market over the lot.

 

Then you have the empty lots that sit on top of the hill on Peete St, and Mohawk St, and Mulbery St that overlook all of OTR. Easily can be worth millions of dollars in the future. Such beautiful views of OTR on top of those hills, and there are so many lots that are begging to be developed on.

 

Then there's the full redevelopment of Mohawk and Brighton which you can consider as an extension of OTR since they are right next to each other.

 

There's sooo much work left to be done. But if every remaining building gets redeveloped, and all the lots get appropriate infill that helps blend the old with the new. I'm just so excited to see what OTR will look 20 years from now, this neighborhood just has so much potential for our city.

 

 

 

guess somebody is a Rosemary Clooney fan. I wonder if she lived in this building