The Cubs have come back.  I never play Debbie Downer, but the Indians have blown it. Cubs win series 4-3.

The Cubs have come back.  I never play Debbie Downer, but the Indians have blown it. Cubs win series 4-3.

 

They still have to beat Kluber in game 7. 

The Cubs have come back.  I never play Debbie Downer, but the Indians have blown it. Cubs win series 4-3.

 

I really want to be wrong in agreeing with you, but I think you're right.  Cubs have this.

The Cubs have come back.  I never play Debbie Downer, but the Indians have blown it. Cubs win series 4-3.

 

It should be noted that the first time Kluber faced an opponent this season, he is 7-7 with a 3.82 ERA.  The second time he faces the same opponent, he is 8-2 with a 2.55 ERA.  The third time he faces that opponent, he is 2-0 with a 1.71 ERA.

 

If Tomlin doesn't get him tonight, then I think Kluber will take care of business.

 

But I think Tomlin will keep on surprising us and engineer a victory today.

 

Indians take the series, 4-2.

^ Interesting notes on Kluber!

 

If it's a close one today I'm very interested in seeing how Tito employs the bullpen.

The Cubs have come back.  I never play Debbie Downer, but the Indians have blown it. Cubs win series 4-3.

 

Pretty surprised to see this.  They "squeaked" by the weakest link, Bauer.  Nothing from game 5 showed me that they still arent pressing and the indians are in their head.  Baez is swinging at everything... there "huge bats" produced 3 runs in a desperation game against our resident headcase.  They put in Chapman in the 7th out of desperation.  Tomlin has pitched toe to toe with everyone in the playoffs so far, i would be shocked if that changed tonight, but it is baseball...it could happen.  All the indians have to do is win 5 innings and give it to Miller/Shaw/Allen.  Granted its harder with Schwarber in the line up, but they did it in game 1.  I think we get it done tonight.

Yeah the Cubs and their fans looked beaten-down during Game 5.  Unfortunately, if there is a Game 7, the Cubs (and their fans) will have the momentum. 

Come on.  The Cubs have 2 W's over head-case Bauer.  They haven't beaten a non-Bauer pitcher yet in this series.  Tribe tonight 5-2.  Tomlin will go 4 innings, and hopefully into the 5th a bit before Miller takes over for 2-3 innings with Allen shutting it down.

http://the6i4.com/2016/10/31/2016-world-series-game-6-preview-cleveland-indians-vs-chicago-cubs/

 

^This writer has predicted every game of the Word Series correctly.

that is a really neat graphic of the prog/jake overlayed on the old muni stadium -- great find!

Granted its harder with Schwarber in the line up, but they did it in game 1.  I think we get it done tonight.

 

And now I hear Schwarber is going on the DL.

 

What is Joe Buck going to do now?

 

Granted its harder with Schwarber in the line up, but they did it in game 1.  I think we get it done tonight.

 

And now I hear Schwarber is going on the DL.

 

What is Joe Buck going to do now?

 

What are you talking about? He's batting 2nd.

What are you talking about? He's batting 2nd.

 

Sorry, it was apparently just a rumor.

 

 

Come on.  The Cubs have 2 W's over head-case Bauer.  They haven't beaten a non-Bauer pitcher yet in this series.  Tribe tonight 5-2.  Tomlin will go 4 innings, and hopefully into the 5th a bit before Miller takes over for 2-3 innings with Allen shutting it down.

 

As long as the Tribe brings their bats tonight--I think this is accurate.  They got to get to Arrietta early and don't let him get established at all. The crowd can help with this--provided they aren't 50% Cubs fans!

The Cubs have come back.  I never play Debbie Downer, but the Indians have blown it. Cubs win series 4-3.

 

Yep, you're right. It's going to be a tough winter having to eat all of "blowing a 3-1 lead" crow we dished out to Golden State.

Well, with the score 7-0 Cubs....I'm browsing the forum  - Progressive Field ugly?  No way - still one of the great parks in baseball...

and a bit of an improvement tonight in Indians/Cubs fans ratio - maybe only 25% of the park is Cubs fans....geez..

^I was just wondering what the percentage might be.  Lots of pent-up demand for Cubs fans, but man it was loud on some of those plays. 

 

Assuming the Tribe doesn't come back, should be an epic Game 7. 

Tribe imploded tonight.  Tomlin wasn't sharp but, obviously, if Naquin does what he's supposed to do and call of Lonnie, its a 1-0 deficit as opposed to a 3-0 one... Young Tyler obviously looks like, tonight, the stage is too big for him for a near collision, drop with Lonnie nearly happened 2 innings later (I'd be surprised if Tito has him out there tomorrow, esp given Tyler's totally inability to hit fast balls).  Otero comes in and gives up the Slam... Bad night for everybody.

 

So now it's a 1-game World Series.  We'll have Kluber, a rested, dangerous pen and, again, home field which we hope the Cubs won't steal away as they did so effectively early tonight.   

Naquin was not up for the moment. The Indians are an energy team. They thrive off good energy and sink off bad. When mistakes happen, they will get doomed.  Kluber going tomorrow night. KJP already throwing in the towel? Cmon man

It's over.  Teams up 3-1 that go to Game 7 usually end up losing.  The Cubs bats have gotten loose and the best team in baseball has woken up.  The Indians need a herculean effort from Kluber/Miller just to stay close.

 

I don't know why Naquin and Chisenhall are still playing.  They can't hit and now can't field.  Put in Guyer and Davis.  Napoli - $16m?? What a joke.  No show in the postseason hitting .191 with 1 HR.  The offense has stalled out and now the Cubs have figured out the pitching.

It's over.  Teams up 3-1 that go to Game 7 usually end up losing.  The Cubs bats have gotten loose and the best team in baseball has woken up.  The Indians need a herculean effort from Kluber/Miller just to stay close.

 

I don't know why Naquin and Chisenhall are still playing.  They can't hit and now can't field.  Put in Guyer and Davis.  Napoli - $16m?? What a joke.  No show in the postseason hitting .191 with 1 HR.  The offense has stalled out and now the Cubs have figured out the pitching.

 

You can certainly get a Herculean effort from Kluber/Miller.  We need to shut them down in the first few innings.

We need to hit...we haven't hit all postseason.

I'm not betting against Kluber.  I think he seals the deal tonight and takes home the World Series MVP.

 

Definitely need to sit Naquin.  I don't care what the matchup calls for.  He was awful last night.  Even if he thought Chisenhall had that ball, he still needs to keep his eye on it to back him up.  He also struck out badly with the bases loaded.  He crumbled under the bright lights.  Sit him down and use him as a pinch runner late in the game if necessary. 

Naquin was not up for the moment. The Indians are an energy team. They thrive off good energy and sink off bad. When mistakes happen, they will get doomed.  Kluber going tomorrow night. KJP already throwing in the towel? Cmon man

 

I gave up my seats for tonight's game. Even if we win, I don't need to be there to enjoy it. Beside I've already been to one game in this World Series. I'm good. I'd rather spend the evening with my family, one of whom is facing a difficult medical situation.

Well, it's the fifth inning and we know two things:

 

1. We are losing 4-1.

2. We should have started Trevor Bauer.

Corey Kluber is only human.  Our decimated rotation has finally caught up to us (actually it already has with Bauer who wouldn't have been out there with a healthy Salazar and Carrasco).... 2 3-days rest starts in one series would be too much for the greatest of pitchers.... It's been a fantastic run by a mega-manager and a super over-achieving team.  Hopefully we have one last gasp but it's starting to look bleak. Either way, we still have our glorious 2016 Championship and the Cavs, early on, are looking good for a repeat.  Makes tonight much easier to take if things don't change. We're all playing with emotional house money.

That was a fantastic series.  The Indians and Cubs should be proud for that one.

I never would have guessed we would come back from a 4-run deficit to send the game into extra innings.  Hats off to the amazing Tribe; congrats to the Cubs... Obviously we in Cleveland know of the joy of finally defeating a curse.

I never would have guessed we would come back from a 4-run deficit to send the game into extra innings.  Hats off to the amazing Tribe; congrats to the Cubs... Obviously we in Cleveland know of the joy of finally defeating a curse.

 

I'm not ready to be in a good mood. The Cavs championship, which I loved experiencing, isn't glossing over this loss tonight...the same way I'm sure Jordan's awesome Bulls years never consoled Cubs fans.

 

Let the depression eating begin.

 

if it had to end like this at least it did as part of what was thee greatest baseball game ever played.

 

it will be fine when we get the other half of our team back healthy next year.

 

The Indians gave up 17 runs in the last two games. Only gave up 18 combined vs Boston and Toronto.

 

With a healthy pitching staff, the Indians are world champs.

They gave everything they had and then some, but the workload on the handful of reliable pitchers finally caught up to them, dead arms with little bite on their breaking balls.  Still a great run by an undermanned team.  Need to hope Brantley, Carrasco, Salazar, and Gomes can all make it back and at their full potential.  Still need more power from one of the OF positions and upgrade at 1B/DH, Napoli finished the year on a 2-month swoon and will be 35.

gotta give the Cubs credit.  They are an amazing team of hitters.  They were dropping hits in gaps like I've never seen

They gave everything they had and then some, but the workload on the handful of reliable pitchers finally caught up to them, dead arms with little bite on their breaking balls.  Still a great run by an undermanned team.  Need to hope Brantley, Carrasco, Salazar, and Gomes can all make it back and at their full potential.  Still need more power from one of the OF positions and upgrade at 1B/DH, Napoli finished the year on a 2-month swoon and will be 35.

 

Completely agree. Also, Tomlin had a magical year except for August. Hope his head is straight for next year and age doesn't creep up on him.

Brilliant pick ups in getting Coco and Miller. Made all the right moves, so impressed with the Indians front office.

 

As strange it is let's hope the blueprint of the Cubs works for the Browns and we see the same results in half a decade. Cubs were pretty horrific not so long ago when Epstein took over.

if it had to end like this at least it did as part of what was thee greatest baseball game ever played.

 

it will be fine when we get the other half of our team back healthy next year.

 

 

It was one of the greatest games played. I still say Game 6 of 75 is the greatest ever played.

But they have basically an unlimited payroll and guys who know how to draft well.

But they have basically an unlimited payroll and guys who know how to draft well.

if it had to end like this at least it did as part of what was thee greatest baseball game ever played.

 

it will be fine when we get the other half of our team back healthy next year.

 

 

It was one of the greatest games played. I still say Game 6 of 75 is the greatest ever played.

 

As much as it stings, Game 7 of the 1997 WS was a classic. People don't really look at it that way because it involved the fire-sale Marlins.

Seeing that Game 7 drew a 28.2 overnight rating? Not sure if that's accurate, but wow that's huge if true.

 

Other reports have it at 25.2 with 40 share.

With our great manager; our strong pitching staff -- hopefully a full rotation plus bullpen (which overall is considerably stronger than the Cubs'), we can be right back there next year... Remember 2 years ago Kansas City got to the brink and lost in Game 7, then, last year, came back and won it all.  Hopefully that will be our course as well; no reason to doubt this can happen.

 

Imagine what we can have in a 7 game series fielding Kluber, Carrasco, Salazar and Tomlin each with 4-days rest which necessarily will lead to a well rested bullpen.  As they were saying on 92.3 after the game, when we didn't close it out in Game 5 we were in trouble because the longer the series wore on the more it favored the Cubs because it allowed Chicago's strong bats began to figure out and wear down our overworked pitching staff... but EVEN WITH that, we still nearly won because we finally figured out/got to previously un-hittable Aroldis Chapman.

 

My only disappointment was that our defense crumbled but, hell, Chicago's did too (as in the 1st World Series 2-run wild pitch since 1911...)

Amazing game, series, and season.

 

And that's the last I'll say about baseball for a few months. I am beyond burnt out.

The Indians looked good, but they could only do so much.  What a great season!  There are a lot of articles out there talking about how the Indians put up a great game and fight.  No one can really say otherwise.  Winning this game would have been so great for the city.  America's poorest most depressed city winning two titles in one year?!  Chicago would have gone on if they lost yesterday, but with how things always go in Cleveland, it's another heartbreak.  People get on Clevelanders all the time (usually on internet forums) for being too chamber of commercey, defending their city because it is probably the most trashed-on city in the country.  I use to post on CD years ago, but I got banned for getting into an argument with a moderator for trashing Cleveland (who they themselves got banned for taking their powers too far  :-)), but I was an ardent supporter of the 216.  I still support Cleveland in so many ways, but not near as much.  Nowadays, it's harder to support Cleveland like I once use to as I travel and see cities across the country ramp up development, work hard to change their image, and prosper.  Cleveland has so many issues on so many levels, it's hard to see a strong comeback any time soon.  Long gone have the days of an overly positive Cleveland attitude to try and make it seem better than it really is.  It was hard to watch yesterday's loss, as I know what that could have meant for the city of Cleveland. 

 

But I will tell you, reading through articles and twitter this morning, it has made me pretty upset to see Cleveland bashing at its finest.  There's a reason why Clevelanders stand up for their city, why many feel it's "Cleveland vs the world."  NEO has your back, too.  "Cleveland Sucks" "Mistake by the Lake" all so cliche and being thrown out the last few days.  Cleveland is still one of the most underrated cities in the country, and it's great to see people still trying to defend it.  Again, Cleveland vs everyone else.  Like I said before, no other cities gets trashed talked so unfairly for what it really is or has to offer, or the people that call it home.  Don't get me wrong, there have been a lot of positives this year, and plenty of people who would have otherwise written Cleveland off give it some credit where it's due.  Cleveland is the place I fell in love with city dynamics when I was younger in the 90s.  Growing up south of Youngstown closer to Pittsburgh, but still would rather go to Cleveland because I just felt some sense of loyalty to the city.  I was at the Ohio Landbank Conference last week being held at the newly redone Westin, and made sure I spent money at some of my Little Italy favorites, and even touting Cleveland to some of my Pittsburgh-praising colleagues.

 

At the end of the day, Cleveland is underrated.  There's so much that needs to be done, and I would wish the government there could focus on making Cleveland better than doing nothing at all.  I watch Cleveland get passed up by the most random of cities anymore, and wonder when the decline will stop.  I am writing this because last night was disappointing, but to see the Cleveland hatred continuing amazes me.  The way people constantly dump on Cleveland might be the reason so many find Clevelanders annoying, because there is a constant need to tell people what it's really like, to defend a city that can't ever seem to catch a break or a city that takes one step forward but two more back. 

 

The loss last night wasn't fun to watch, but I am seeing the new Cleveland in the Indians.  There's always next year.  Right?  Great season, Indians!

The Indians gave up 17 runs in the last two games. Only gave up 18 combined vs Boston and Toronto.

 

With a healthy pitching staff, the Indians are world champs.

 

I think no rain delay and we would likely have been world champs.  We had them on the ropes and the rain delay gave them 20 minutes to get their heads together.

Well that was a series for the ages. The team never quit and literally was left with their fortunes in the hands of the last man on the bench with 2 outs and down by one in the bottom of the tenth.  Nothing left to give. Roll tribe.

 

The amazing thing about this Series is the mood Cleveland fans are in even after a loss. Ultimately, I see and hear most fans are disappointed in the loss but overall pretty positive and excited they were able to take part in the game. 

 

I remember in 97 after the Marlins won, there was a malaise that took over the city and the sense of pride was not there. Just interesting after 2 game  7 losses the different attitude amongst Clevelanders have.

^I bet a lot of it is because the Cavs just won the NBA Finals. How mad can you really be when you already have a championship this year? Obviously you wanted to win, but it can't be as devastating as 97.

^ I was thinking the same thing. Now I am not up in Cleveland anymore but I was there in 97 and it was just a brutal time. Of course part of It was that the 97 team was as dominant as anyone and if they could not win then, they were going to win in the near future. This years team seems like they caught magic in a bottle and overachieved and people recognized that.

 

 

Not to throw gas on the fire, but they were just talking about how bad attendance was this year at the Tribe games. Cincinnati who finished last place drew more fans than the Tribe this year.

^This is a frequent topic of conversation in the Indians thread and every other fan discussion forum. For whatever reasons, the Cleveland area loves to watch the team on TV (great ratings) but less interested than other fan bases in buying tickets to watch in person. As you can guess, there's no consensus on the reasons, and probably no need to rehash it all here.

I think that's really just as of the last few years, not a constant.  I bet attendance next year will be significantly higher.

I read this morning season ticket sales for 2017  are pretty strong.