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^ His consequences are that he served time in prison.  He has served on council since then.  I think he has proven himself rehabilitated.

 

From what I have read he sounds like he believes he was unjustly prosecuted.

 

Yeah. Johnson has never submitted that he was justly convicted.

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^ His consequences are that he served time in prison.  He has served on council since then.  I think he has proven himself rehabilitated.

 

From what I have read he sounds like he believes he was unjustly prosecuted.

 

Yeah. Johnson has never submitted that he was justly convicted.

 

Well, the footage was pretty grainy....that could have been someone else committing extortion on that video.

^ His consequences are that he served time in prison.  He has served on council since then.  I think he has proven himself rehabilitated.

 

From what I have read he sounds like he believes he was unjustly prosecuted.

 

Yeah. Johnson has never submitted that he was justly convicted.

 

Well, the footage was pretty grainy....that could have been someone else committing extortion on that video.

 

Come on... an extortion conviction isn't something that should affect the public trust! It's not like the guy has multiple DUIs or anything...

Johnson is just another Kwame Kilpatrick. And Reed is even worse since he doesn't seem to mind putting people's lives at risk with his drunk driving.

 

Frankly both men deserve lives of scorn and ridcule, not viable mayorship candidacies.

 

Frank at least appears to be a moral person. These other two scumbags could drown for all I care. 

I didn't realize everyone here lived perfect lives. 

Yeah, I'm sure a bunch of us are also perennial drunk drivers and convicted embezzlers, No biggy, we all err. Why should we have moral standards for our city leader.

As I said.  We have a bunch of saints in here.

I didn't realize everyone here lived perfect lives.

 

I don't have a felony conviction and above that I'm not running for public office.

Well ok then. 

Sure are a lot of judgments being cast here by people who have never met the people in question, nor faced similar battles themselves or through loved ones. FYI, I'm an alcoholic. Probably born with it based on family history. Glad to still be alive, to be at peace with myself, and to have a second chance at life. My past doesn't portend my future. In fact, I'd rather elect someone who's had the strength to confront their demons and be empathetic of others' troubles, than elect judgmental people who have never had to face such adversity and don't understand what troubled people are going through.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Sure are a lot of judgments being cast here by people who have never met the people in question, nor faced similar battles themselves or through loved ones. FYI, I'm an alcoholic. Probably born with it based on family history. Glad to still be alive, to be at peace with myself, and to have a second chance at life. My past doesn't portend my future. In fact, I'd rather elect someone who's had the strength to confront their demons and be empathetic of others' troubles, than elect judgmental people who have never had to face such adversity and don't understand what troubled people are going through.

 

That's great KJP[/member] . Runs deep in my family as well, and I have seen some great people in my family ruin their lives at the hands of alcohol.

 

I believe Zach Reed has been on the straight and narrow since. The fact remains, though, that those temporary lapses in judgment will be used against him when running for office; and I believe that's fair, to an extent.

 

With regards to Johnson, it was not a "lapse of judgment." It is a crime that directly relates to the public's ability to trust someone. Same would go for a fraud, embezzlement, or identity theft conviction, in my opinion.

 

There is merit to your point, certainly; I just believe that running for office fairly opens you up to critiques of your past, in particular a legal history.

^ His consequences are that he served time in prison.  He has served on council since then.  I think he has proven himself rehabilitated.

 

From what I have read he sounds like he believes he was unjustly prosecuted.

 

Yeah. Johnson has never submitted that he was justly convicted.

 

He thinks he was entrapped.  I'm not sure I agree, but quite frankly IMO the vast majority of them do what he did.  Likewise driving drunk.  Historically it was almost considered a political perq.

 

We don't have great choices.  On the surface Tony seems to fit my views best, but he has no governmental experience. 

 

Jackson's lost touch in a big way.  I'm not quite ABJ on reflection, I wouldn't vote for Kucinich, Cimperman, or Calamity Jane.  But any of these three are an improvement as long as they don't actually try (hard) to push through the minimum wage increase.  That would trash the city, economically.

^ His consequences are that he served time in prison.  He has served on council since then.  I think he has proven himself rehabilitated.

 

From what I have read he sounds like he believes he was unjustly prosecuted.

 

Yeah. Johnson has never submitted that he was justly convicted.

 

He thinks he was entrapped.  I'm not sure I agree, but quite frankly IMO the vast majority of them do what he did.  Likewise driving drunk.  Historically it was almost considered a political perq.

 

We don't have great choices.  On the surface Tony seems to fit my views best, but he has no governmental experience. 

 

Jackson's lost touch in a big way.  I'm not quite ABJ on reflection, I wouldn't vote for Kucinich, Cimperman, or Calamity Jane.  But any of these three are an improvement as long as they don't actually try (hard) to push through the minimum wage increase.  That would trash the city, economically.

 

I would agree that the three people most talked about so far (Jackson, Johnson, Reed) all should not be the next mayor of Cleveland. They are all of the same old, same old. Been in politics long enough to have made a difference in changing Cleveland, yet the city continues to loose population, has a failing school system (as a whole), criminals seem to be running some of the neighborhoods, city trash services are deplorable, EMS/Fire/Police are so desperate for new equipment, etc....

 

Why would the city of Cleveland residents want to have any of these three as mayor is beyond me.

 

I do not think that this election should be about what any of these three candidates has achieved (not much/enough imo), but about what they have not achieved.

 

I want fresh new blood, with new ideas. Preferably a mayor with integrity/honesty/etc..., one who can achieve making Cleveland a clean city, safe city, educated city, and work to bring jobs/jobs/jobs to the city and for its citizens.  If a new mayor does just these four things, the spin-off of new housing, office buildings, revived neighborhoods (not just the current ones), I could see happening, and more.

^^^ THIS ALL DAY!!

 

^^ I second that. Well said. Additionally, the minimum wage increase to $15 in a market as affordable as Cleveland shows how economically unsound some of their positions are.

 

Seattle and San Fran are two of the most expensive markets in the country and are only incrementally increasing to a $15/hr minimum in 3-4 years. I am all for increasing the minimum wage, and I believe it is long overdue. As a law student, I went through school the last 3 years making $14/hr, paying rent, paying tuition, eating ramen 4x a week, and paying student loans; I completely understand how it feels to be unable to save. But if wages were the primary problem, we could just print more money...

 

As of right now, I think T-Mad has my vote

I believe Zach Reed has been on the straight and narrow since.

 

Pun intended?    :evil:

 

Seriously, Jeff would be my personal favorite, Tony my political, I think Zack has the best chance to beat Jackson.  I'm cool with any of them at this point unless one goes all out on $15.  Which I suspect is being pushed by someone that owns a suburban based employment agency, it's that bad of an idea.

 

I'm 95% sure Jeff will listen to reason on the topic and suspect Zack would as well. 

^I'd like to see some kind of side-by-side comparison (but not debate where they weasel around an answer) where these folks stand on real issues like transit, schools, economic development, growing the city, neighborhood development, lakefront development, crime, and other matters. Right now Madalone is my favorite--but he's a risk cause we don't know much about him. But we do know Zack and Johnson and Frank and we know we wouldn't be getting much with any of them. The city desperately needs change and Madalone may be the best to do that. If he surrounds himself with good, smart people, it could work. If he appoints the same old people of the last 12-24 years, then there's no point to elect him. Between the main three, I'd take Jackson any day over Zack or Jeff Johnson.

Why are people so sold on Madalone? He's just guy who has a t-shirt company, right? I'm not sure how that qualifies him to be mayor. At least Chrostowski's business is something that also has a strong social mission (and I'm not even planning on voting for him). So, what has Madalone done that deserves special attention? I'm not knocking him - I genuinely don't know much about him.

^The better question is why so many people are still sold on the 3 amigo's (Jackson, Johnson, Reed)? The same old, same old candidates who have not moved Cleveland forward in ways that truly make a difference to the residents of Cleveland, those that work in the city, and visitors.

 

I will say it again, Cleveland needs fresh new blood, with fresh new ideas to move the city forward; to make it greater than I know it already is. I do not want more of the same old, same old.

^The better question is why so many people are still sold on the 3 amigo's (Jackson, Johnson, Reed)? The same old, same old candidates who have not moved Cleveland forward in ways that truly make a difference to the residents of Cleveland, those that work in the city, and visitors.

 

I will say it again, Cleveland needs fresh new blood, with fresh new ideas to move the city forward; to make it greater than I know it already is. I do not want more of the same old, same old.

 

I know we are learning our lesson to an extent via our Presidential experiment, but I would really like to see someone outside of Cleveland politics given a chance via Madalone.

 

Reed, Johnson, and Jackson are devoted civil servants and are running on a true belief that they can make Cleveland a better place. However, they share similar philosophies and haven't stepped beyond city hall recently. Economic opportunity is the only way we can grow our neighborhoods, up the bond rating, and keep this ball rolling. Jackson has done a good job getting the proverbial ball rolling, I just do not think he can push it as fast as Madalone can.

I wonder if the orange guy will throw his hat in the ring this time. He'd probably have a better chance this time around, though not sure if he's better than Madalone, other than having the benefit of age (that is, wisdom).

Hah, whatever happened to that guy. I remember when he would respond to cleveland.com posters. Always a bad idea Kenny boy.

Hah, whatever happened to that guy. I remember when he would respond to cleveland.com posters. Always a bad idea Kenny boy.

 

He would do wonders on Twitter

I agree that it'd be ideal to have the next mayor be from outside of Cleveland politics. That's why I'm so unimpressed with our current lineup. However I'm really not sold by Madalone at all, and I'm still a little unclear as to why people on here seem to be preferring him over any of the other "outsider" choices. Why would he be preferable to Chrostowski, whose business at least has a solid social mission and who has done more for the community than Madalone has (as far as I know)?

Someone with the last name Lanci has endorsed Madalone - per his website.

I agree that it'd be ideal to have the next mayor be from outside of Cleveland politics. That's why I'm so unimpressed with our current lineup. However I'm really not sold by Madalone at all, and I'm still a little unclear as to why people on here seem to be preferring him over any of the other "outsider" choices. Why would he be preferable to Chrostowski, whose business at least has a solid social mission and who has done more for the community than Madalone has (as far as I know)?

 

I like his immigration, urban and transportation policies as they get away from fear factor (or shakedown factor, ala Johnson) and are more embracing of new approaches. Supporting more aggressive pro-immigrant policies, urging more no-strings-attached development in the neighborhoods, making public transit and biking more of a priority, and establishing a city department of transportation are all progressive policies I like from Tony Mad.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I agree that it'd be ideal to have the next mayor be from outside of Cleveland politics. That's why I'm so unimpressed with our current lineup. However I'm really not sold by Madalone at all, and I'm still a little unclear as to why people on here seem to be preferring him over any of the other "outsider" choices. Why would he be preferable to Chrostowski, whose business at least has a solid social mission and who has done more for the community than Madalone has (as far as I know)?

 

I like his immigration, urban and transportation policies as they get away from fear factor (or shakedown factor, ala Johnson) and are more embracing of new approaches. Supporting more aggressive pro-immigrant policies, urging more no-strings-attached development in the neighborhoods, making public transit and biking more of a priority, and establishing a city department of transportation are all progressive policies I like from Tony Mad.

 

I just PMed this thread to his campaign FB page.

I'm not as familiar with Cleveland politics as probably many of you are, but does an outsider like this really stand a chance in hell?

^ possibly,  if he makes it out of the primary.

Saw this on Cleveland.com today.

 

Another candidate enters the race for Mayor of Cleveland.

 

Former Cleveland mayoral candidate Robert Kilo enters 2017 race

 

 

In 2009 Robert Kilo challenged Mayor Frank Jackson, finishing third in the primary behind Jackson and current state Rep. Bill Patmon, a Cleveland Democrat. Kilo is circulating petitions as a candidate for mayor. (Chuck Crow, The Plain Dealer)

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/04/former_cleveland_mayoral_candi.html

 

 

I suppose the "Frank Jackson Alternative Urban Transportation Center" is now going to include a firing range.....

CLE Chatter: T-shirt guy Tony Madalone pokes Mayor Frank Jackson and Councilman Zack Reed as he readies campaign (and other noteworthy tidbits from our town)

http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2017/06/cle_chatter_t-shirt_guy_tony_m.html

 

"[umberto] Fedeli is hosting a high-dollar fundraiser for Jackson at his Gates Mills home at the end of the month."

 

A conservative Republican who lives in the Village of Gates Mills and whose business is located in the City of Independence is hosting a fundraiser for the Democratic mayor of the City of Cleveland

Ken Lanci was the Donald Trump of Cleveland before Donald Trump was Donald Trump.

CLE Chatter: T-shirt guy Tony Madalone pokes Mayor Frank Jackson and Councilman Zack Reed as he readies campaign (and other noteworthy tidbits from our town)

http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2017/06/cle_chatter_t-shirt_guy_tony_m.html

 

"[umberto] Fedeli is hosting a high-dollar fundraiser for Jackson at his Gates Mills home at the end of the month."

 

A conservative Republican who lives in the Village of Gates Mills and whose business is located in the City of Independence is hosting a fundraiser for the Democratic mayor of the City of Cleveland

 

 

ANNNNNNNNNNND the election is over. He's quietly the most powerful man in the county.

Look at all of the people living and working outside of Cleveland influencing Cleveland politics and favoring Jackson.

 

If Jackson is trying to make Cleveland a city of choice but his biggest benefactors chose not to live or work in Cleveland, doesn't that send an unintended message?

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Look at all of the people living and working outside of Cleveland influencing Cleveland politics and favoring Jackson.

 

If Jackson is trying to make Cleveland a city of choice but his biggest benefactors chose not to live or work in Cleveland, doesn't that send an unintended message?

 

Moreover, Fideli's business is in Independence.

I'm so disheartened by our current lineup. Can someone please force Chris Ronayne to run? I wanna be on the Ronayne trayne.

Look at all of the people living and working outside of Cleveland influencing Cleveland politics and favoring Jackson.

 

If Jackson is trying to make Cleveland a city of choice but his biggest benefactors chose not to live or work in Cleveland, doesn't that send an unintended message?

 

Moreover, Fideli's business is in Independence.

 

A strong believer in regionalism, I guess.

Look at all of the people living and working outside of Cleveland influencing Cleveland politics and favoring Jackson.

 

If Jackson is trying to make Cleveland a city of choice but his biggest benefactors chose not to live or work in Cleveland, doesn't that send an unintended message?

 

He supposedly had a grandson playing football for Maple Heights last season (I saw him at the Willoughby game) so apparently either his son or daughter chose not to live there either.

I'm so disheartened by our current lineup. Can someone please force Chris Ronayne to run? I wanna be on the Ronayne trayne.

 

Kerping up with the Ronayne trayne would be awfulky tough.

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Scene Magazine reviewed the Mayoral forum and had some interesting takeaways.

 

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2017/06/27/unexpected-winners-and-losers-in-cleveland-mayoral-forum

 

Keep in mind this was the “progressive” coalition.  And Scene.

 

Brewer’s one of three people I can think of I’d vote for Jackson against (Dennis and Calamity Jane are the others).  He makes excuses for ISIS atrocities and is so disjointed he talks up his air force experience but thought F-15s fought in Vietnam.  He’s great at talking like he knows things, but fact checkers can make it suck to be him.

 

Ironically, the one thing I don’t give a damn about (his cross dressing skills) is probably what would sink his candidacy if it ever even began to gain traction.

 

Tony was on the Triv show last week, though it was the actual professional (Glenn Forbes) hosting that day.  I know you guys hate it, I find it unlistenable a lot.  But maybe he and Zack will be on at the same time.

 

Scene Magazine reviewed the Mayoral forum and had some interesting takeaways.

 

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2017/06/27/unexpected-winners-and-losers-in-cleveland-mayoral-forum

 

Keep in mind this was the “progressive” coalition.  And Scene.

 

 

The reporter seemed to have a grudge against that Kilo guy. I thought his MLK quote in that context (police relations) was thoughtful and eloquent. I suppose he should have instead quoted Bono or something.

I don't live in Cleveland myself (Lakewood) but I like to keep up with the politics.  From the people running, I really like Tony M. He seems to have a fresh approach but I worry about his lack of experience.  Jeff Johnson seems to really be playing things correctly.  He does come off as a seasoned politician. I mean that in a good way.  His social media was filled with photos from the Pride festival over the weekend.  He seemed to really enjoy being there and had his rainbow shirt on.  I know this might all be "an act" but I think he might be the most serious challenger. 

I don't live in Cleveland myself (Lakewood) but I like to keep up with the politics.  From the people running, I really like Tony M. He seems to have a fresh approach but I worry about his lack of experience.  Jeff Johnson seems to really be playing things correctly.  He does come off as a seasoned politician. I mean that in a good way.  His social media was filled with photos from the Pride festival over the weekend.  He seemed to really enjoy being there and had his rainbow shirt on.  I know this might all be "an act" but I think he might be the most serious challenger. 

 

Yeah I like Tony too, but I have to agree with the Scene article, and with his skinny jeans he may have a hard time connecting with the non-Detroit Shoreway/Ohio City/Tremont population of the city. 

 

Argh Johnson supports a citywide $15 minimum wage though....     

 

^^Sorry, but I don't want "an act" for mayor.

 

I want a person with Integrity, honesty, responsible, etc....

 

I want a person for mayor who can get this city on the move again. Like it was in the early 1900's, with growth in population, culture, stature. One who can get the population growing again with the things they put into place as mayor. Like more police to serve the community; neighborhood growth through new/rehabbed housing, new and/or expanded businesses, parks and bike/hike paths; a clean/safe city; and a great transportation system to get people to their destination. Just to name a few things.

 

Education is a key too. With approximately 65% of the students still not graduating from high school in the CLE, the new mayor must work with the corporate community, non-profit community, philanthropy community, to get the children of Cleveland educated.

 

The current mayor has been in office too long, and he just does not cut it for me. Neither do any of the other career politicians (Brewer, Johnson, Reed). I am hopeful that the residents of the CLE will finally wake up and vote the career politicians out at both levels of city government (council and mayor). That the new mayor will fundamentally make changes that will make the CLE more desirable for new businesses to be started here, or moved here; that the people of NEO and the nation will say wow I want to be a part of what is happening in the CLE.

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