September 8, 20204 yr 13 minutes ago, KJP said: So in other words there's no Kamms development to talk about. We're developing our thoughts about Kamms ****
September 8, 20204 yr 21 minutes ago, YABO713 said: We're developing our thoughts about Kamms **** I mean what I've gathered from this thread is that there IS some development in Kamm's, just not as much as it should be. It should essentially be compared to part's of Lakewood in terms of how well it's coming along. But look at what the local politicians are talking about, it isn't much other than the standard talk. Kamm's hasn't shone like it should because of a lack of care from those in charge. It is a middle neighborhood now, on the brink of decline unless it receives some attention. But there are still a few gems in terms of businesses for sure.
September 8, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, nate said: I mean what I've gathered from this thread is that there IS some development in Kamm's, just not as much as it should be. It should essentially be compared to part's of Lakewood in terms of how well it's coming along. But look at what the local politicians are talking about, it isn't much other than the standard talk. Kamm's hasn't shone like it should because of a lack of care from those in charge. It is a middle neighborhood now, on the brink of decline unless it receives some attention. But there are still a few gems in terms of businesses for sure. That’s what I’m concerned about. Kamm’s has a lot of things that can be capitalized on but if nothing is done, decline can happen
September 9, 20204 yr These are just two places and ideas I think would really add to the fabric of WP and give it more of a destination feel. These are completely out of my own boredom and please do not roast me I am still learning how to use photoshop lol. I have also made an attempt at a master plan on google maps as well, but thats mostly out of self-interest of mapping out my own ideas for WP, so it's probably not be of interest to anyone else.
September 10, 20204 yr New animal hospital renderings were in the Kamm's magazine. It says it got design review approval but I don't see an agenda posted on the website.
September 10, 20204 yr 21 hours ago, nate said: These are just two places and ideas I think would really add to the fabric of WP and give it more of a destination feel. These are completely out of my own boredom and please do not roast me I am still learning how to use photoshop lol. I have also made an attempt at a master plan on google maps as well, but thats mostly out of self-interest of mapping out my own ideas for WP, so it's probably not be of interest to anyone else. I heard Arby's was taking over the old Steak n Shake, but I agree that a park would be better.
September 10, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, tj111 said: New animal hospital renderings were in the Kamm's magazine. It says it got design review approval but I don't see an agenda posted on the website. Wait, there’s a Kamm’s magazine? Lol
September 10, 20204 yr Kamm's magazine is probably put out by one of the local print media companies - a little bit of editorial content, then the rest of the stories are "pay to play". Most suburbs have similar magazines that come out once a year, or in this case for a fairly identifiable city neighborhood.
September 10, 20204 yr Just now, bjk said: Kamm's magazine is probably put out by one of the local print media companies - a little bit of editorial content, then the rest of the stories are "pay to play". Most suburbs have similar magazines that come out once a year, or in this case for a fairly identifiable city neighborhood. It is a monthly magazine sent by West Park Kamms Neighborhood Development
September 10, 20204 yr You can read them all online here. https://westparkkamms.org/magazine-archives/
September 10, 20204 yr 6 hours ago, tj111 said: I heard Arby's was taking over the old Steak n Shake, but I agree that a park would be better. Google Maps does show an Arby's at the address in place of Steak N Shake. Edited September 10, 20204 yr by infrafreak
September 11, 20204 yr 16 hours ago, infrafreak said: Google Maps does show an Arby's at the address in place of Steak N Shake. Arby's has pulled themselves out of that location, it has since been confirmed. It was listed on their website and no longer is. Therefore, turn it into additional parking and a small park.
September 11, 20204 yr Also everyone, I have started a petition to see our historic Kamm's Building saved from further neglect. The owners have simply asked way too much for rent and have squandered every chance for a small business to succeed there. Its time leadership steps in and figures out the viable alternative (which I believe is additional parking and a small park). Here is the petition if anyone is interested: http://chng.it/mNbbBNQt
September 14, 20204 yr There is a pending permit application to demolish this building..... https://www.google.com/maps/place/14700+Lorain+Ave,+Cleveland,+OH+44111/@41.4534395,-81.7990937,3a,75y,357.14h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKLMwOCA4HEpDIqPO3wX0RA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x8830edec989311cb:0xc88187f6118e3334!2s14700+Lorain+Ave,+Cleveland,+OH+44111!3b1!8m2!3d41.453745!4d-81.799128!3m4!1s0x8830edec989311cb:0xc88187f6118e3334!8m2!3d41.453745!4d-81.799128 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 14, 20204 yr 24 minutes ago, KJP said: There is a pending permit application to demolish this building..... https://www.google.com/maps/place/14700+Lorain+Ave,+Cleveland,+OH+44111/@41.4534395,-81.7990937,3a,75y,357.14h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKLMwOCA4HEpDIqPO3wX0RA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x8830edec989311cb:0xc88187f6118e3334!2s14700+Lorain+Ave,+Cleveland,+OH+44111!3b1!8m2!3d41.453745!4d-81.799128!3m4!1s0x8830edec989311cb:0xc88187f6118e3334!8m2!3d41.453745!4d-81.799128 Let's hope that this is the first of many on that block.
September 15, 20204 yr I honestly thought that might make a nice smaller market or something like that. But Im not particularly sad to see it go. Defintely need to get along with demoeing pretty much that whole section of Lorain besides the Marquard Building and Funeral home.
September 25, 20204 yr Hearing (but not confirmed) that part of the former Ohio Pipe Supply building may be demolished or rehabbed. This is unconfirmed but there has been a clearance of the bushes and small building. Also there are trucks and dumpsters on the site.
September 25, 20204 yr 10 minutes ago, nate said: Hearing (but not confirmed) that part of the former Ohio Pipe Supply building may be demolished or rehabbed. This is unconfirmed but there has been a clearance of the bushes and small building. Also there are trucks and dumpsters on the site. No permit applications were filed for this property. However it was purchased on Aug. 31, 2020 by HEBA, LLC for $388,500. Their tax bills go to Wael M. Hamad, 3300 Dover Center Rd., Westlake. The incorporator of HEBA LLC is Danny Andrich of Andrich Insurance Group, 19303 Lorain Rd., Fairview Park. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 25, 20204 yr Commercial permit filed for former Harley Davidson building at 14550 Lorain Ave
September 25, 20204 yr Curious what this is for. The "offices" for the former Michael Ray Auto Group at this location measured about 1,000 square feet. It was next to a small, two-bay repair garage. But that used car dealership has permantently closed. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 25, 20204 yr There were rumors that an international market was going in the building. But this is unconfirmed.
September 25, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, Growth Mindset said: There were rumors that an international market was going in the building. But this is unconfirmed. I thought WPKND announced that in like 2018, but I believe the owner has changed since then. I have no clue what their plans are, I remember seeing christmas trees in the windows one or two years ago and then all the sudden it had paper wrapped all over the windows. Interesting developments on Lorain lately...
September 30, 20204 yr On 9/25/2020 at 4:19 PM, nate said: Commercial permit filed for former Harley Davidson building at 14550 Lorain Ave @nate Turns out it is for a Commercial Drivers License driving school, called Ctown Driving School. Look up the same record number above again -- B20023829. It's been updated. I wonder if RTA gave them permission (after some $$$) to use their bus driving training area in the back lot of the West Park Rapid station property. There's a faux street grid back there for RTA bus driver training. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 13, 20204 yr On 9/30/2020 at 5:44 PM, KJP said: @nate Turns out it is for a Commercial Drivers License driving school, called Ctown Driving School. Look up the same record number above again -- B20023829. It's been updated. I wonder if RTA gave them permission (after some $$$) to use their bus driving training area in the back lot of the West Park Rapid station property. There's a faux street grid back there for RTA bus driver training. Pretty disappointing given CSU's study which suggested TOD on that site and the parcels around it. But disappointing has been West Park's game for some time now.
October 14, 20204 yr Another thing... and I'll throw in this disclaimer: this is a totally unsubstantiated rumor that I discussed with another WP resident. He says the Marquard Building (14741 Lorain) is going to be demolished when the leases are up for the residents. He claims Walmart is looking to build on the site. His source is apparently someone who lives in the apartments. The owners of the Marquard Building are separate from the owners of the Kmart lot, but both reside in NY. Looking at property information for this site, it does say the rental registration is about to expire. I don't see why or how this building would need to come down for ANYTHING to be built on the Kmart lot, its massive. On top of the fact that this is a historic building that should be preserved. The Marquard Family ran their real estate business out of the building in the 1920s, and the family mansion on Triskett was destroyed in 2019 after years of neglect from the church next door. IF these rumors turn out to be true, it will be another tragic loss for West Park. I would say its even a building worth fighting for. I will post here if I hear anything else related to the matter. Here are some photos of the building...
October 14, 20204 yr It wouldn't shock me, we're in the middle of a Walmart blackhole here (that's not a bad thing). Two Target stores within 5 minutes, but the nearest Walmart is 15 mins away. Between Lakewood/ Rocky River/ Fairview and WP the population and demographics are there.
October 14, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, West153 said: It wouldn't shock me, we're in the middle of a Walmart blackhole here (that's not a bad thing). Two Target stores within 5 minutes, but the nearest Walmart is 15 mins away. Between Lakewood/ Rocky River/ Fairview and WP the population and demographics are there. That lot might be still be too small for a Walmart, even if they demolish the entire plaza and the Marquardt building. It would be just over 10 acres, but all the Walmarts that I'm seeing around the area appear to be 12+ acres.
October 14, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, X said: That lot might be still be too small for a Walmart, even if they demolish the entire plaza and the Marquardt building. It would be just over 10 acres, but all the Walmarts that I'm seeing around the area appear to be 12+ acres. Where are the NIMBYs when you need them?
October 15, 20204 yr On 9/25/2020 at 9:35 AM, nate said: Hearing (but not confirmed) that part of the former Ohio Pipe Supply building may be demolished or rehabbed. This is unconfirmed but there has been a clearance of the bushes and small building. Also there are trucks and dumpsters on the site. Could this ^^ be related? I think It's adjacent to the plaza.
October 15, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, West153 said: Could this ^^ be related? I think It's adjacent to the plaza. I want to reiterate that this is all speculation. That being said, It could be, but there's no way of knowing because whoever is doing the work on that site hasn't filed for any permits whatsoever. Nothing on the plaza parcels either. I bet Walmart could pull it off with 10 acres, but I don't even want them in my neighborhood. It will result in another suburban development pattern, destroy a decent building with historic value, and overall not be beneficial to the neighborhood. The lot needs to be redeveloped for housing and mixed use with buildings close to to the front of the street. WPKND has previously said they are looking to encourage more pedestrian oriented development. If the rumors are true, I'd hope to see them fighting against this with the developers. CSU's master study on the area should be the key guide of any development in the area. http://levin.urban.csuohio.edu/capstone2019/A-Connecting-West-Park-new.pdf Edited October 15, 20204 yr by Guest
October 15, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, nate said: I want to reiterate that this is all speculation. That being said, It could be, but there's no way of knowing because whoever is doing the work on that site hasn't filed for any permits whatsoever. Nothing on the plaza parcels either. I bet Walmart could pull it off with 10 acres, but I don't even want them in my neighborhood. It will result in another suburban development pattern, destroy a decent building with historic value, and overall not be beneficial to the neighborhood. The lot needs to be redeveloped for housing and mixed use with buildings close to to the front of the street. WPKND has previously said they are looking to encourage more pedestrian oriented development. If the rumors are true, I'd hope to see them fighting against this with the developers. CSU's master study on the area should be the key guide of any development in the area. http://levin.urban.csuohio.edu/capstone2019/A-Connecting-West-Park-new.pdf A Walmart would do fantastically well in that area as far as sales/numbers are concerned. As noted, it has the population in and around the neighborhood to support it. If true, I’ll shop there when I need to go to a Walmart
October 15, 20204 yr I've got inquiries out there. I hope to find out something in the next couple of days. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 15, 20204 yr I don't normally post gas station developments, but this one is a bit different.... Cleveland Planning Commission Agenda for April 7, 2017 FAR WEST DESIGN REVIEWFW2017-003 – Rockport Villa Convenient Store/Gas Station New Construction: Seeking Final ApprovalProject Address: 4686 West 130th StreetProject Representative: Daryl Mapson, Tribe Architects http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/04072017/image/Rockport_Villa_13.jpg http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/04072017/image/Rockport_Villa_05.jpg http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/04072017/image/Rockport_Villa_07.jpg http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/04072017/image/Rockport_Villa_14.jpg http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/04072017/image/Rockport_Villa_15.jpg http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/04072017/image/Rockport_Villa_16.jpgI just saw this, now threes year old post. Wondering why this never happened? It’s such a cool design for a gas station. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
October 17, 20204 yr Cleveland Public Library West Park Branch is poised to be restored to its former glory along while receiving modern upgrades to serve patrons for many years to come. https://cpl.org/reclaiming-history-at-west-park-branch/?fbclid=IwAR0IiQbU4ZkzSwcqV-9v-7kozumVwVO6QS13Og6Glk_F_-5Ck7ZlfmY5ap4 Original architect was Walker and Weeks. Vocon is leading the renovation. Highlights of the planned renovations include removing the dropped ceiling that was added in the 1970s and restoring the original vaulted ceiling and dormers, which will flood the interior with more natural light. Access to the building’s lower level will be improved through the addition of an elevator, while a new central staircase will create a striking vertical space. Furthermore, the original entrance on West 157th Street, which was closed in the 1970s, will be reopened to offer a gracious entryway and improved pedestrian access. An accessible pathway from Lorain Avenue and an RTA bus stop will lead to this entrance, ensuring the library is easily accessible. The aesthetics of the branch, meanwhile, will focus on open, light-filled, flexible spaces with additional meeting rooms, an improved children’s area, and modern amenities, all to bring West Park into the future while simultaneously returning to its roots. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
October 26, 20204 yr 4406 Rocky River Dr. (middle) has pending demolition permits. It's a shame because it's actually a decent house still, but Chambers funeral home owns it. Wonder if there's any plans for expansion or if it will just be another vacant lot.
October 26, 20204 yr Also per Councilman Brian Kazy, a new "Autism Awareness" mural will be installed in March next year on Puritas Ave. He said it's just west of 161st, and yet I see no connection between the two roads on google.
October 26, 20204 yr 4 minutes ago, nate said: Also per Councilman Brian Kazy, a new "Autism Awareness" mural will be installed in March next year on Puritas Ave. He said it's just west of 161st, and yet I see no connection between the two roads on google. https://goo.gl/maps/ggCEHp5TGfzGaWfU8
October 26, 20204 yr Funny that I couldn't find this given its proximity to my house. I think it has to do with it being closed off for the Allied Tool factory. Ive been doing monthly trash picking under that bridge, as it gets pretty bad. Should be refreshing to see more art under the bridge!
October 26, 20204 yr 4 minutes ago, nate said: Funny that I couldn't find this given its proximity to my house. I think it has to do with it being closed off for the Allied Tool factory. Ive been doing monthly trash picking under that bridge, as it gets pretty bad. Should be refreshing to see more art under the bridge! Looks like it will complement this across the street just east of there: https://goo.gl/maps/MEX6zxZP5K9ycioz6 Should transition from one to the other staying in line of sight pretty seamlessly: https://goo.gl/maps/GqfxNKDNbpemKrDD6 Edited October 26, 20204 yr by infrafreak
October 27, 20204 yr This is pretty boring news but Speedway on West 150th is closed undergoing some remodeling. 7/11 bought out all the speedway stations so my guess is it will become 7/11 and BP station. https://www.supermarketnews.com/retail-financial/7-eleven-buying-3900-speedway-stores-21-billion-deal?fbclid=IwAR2_-l_VYLYaIKblaFKJAp1_2cRtTu3tbV-4wdmxhES4ensN61Uv2OU0W40Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
October 27, 20204 yr BTW no truth to the rumor about Walmart or anyone else replacing Kmart or the Cowans pub apartment building. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 27, 20204 yr BTW no truth to the rumor about Walmart or anyone else replacing Kmart or the Cowans pub apartment building. It figures. Lots of WPers love to talk like everything’s a sure thing. The only thing i’m sure of is it’s going to sit for a few more years at least, before there’s any movement.
November 4, 20204 yr I guess i’m the only one who thinks this is a really horrible idea. There doesn’t need to be fast food in the main business district. Could’ve been turned into a small park or green space. Anything but fast food, especially an Arby’s. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
November 4, 20204 yr I too think this is a horrible idea. The Kamm’s neighborhood could be the next Gordon Square or Ohio City. Instead, it wants a economy based on minimum wage workers selling sandwiches to each other. Just a few miles north, Lakewood, which has a similar demographic and housing stock, is a hip trendy community. Kamm’s needs to tap into that.
November 4, 20204 yr On 10/26/2020 at 9:37 AM, infrafreak said: https://goo.gl/maps/ggCEHp5TGfzGaWfU8 31 minutes ago, Growth Mindset said: I too think this is a horrible idea. The Kamm’s neighborhood could be the next Gordon Square or Ohio City. Instead, it wants a economy based on minimum wage workers selling sandwiches to each other. Just a few miles north, Lakewood, which has a similar demographic and housing stock, is a hip trendy community. Kamm’s needs to tap into that. Not gonna be stopped unless there is a vocal majority. Im really losing faith in leadership here.
November 5, 20204 yr Unfortunately national chain franchises are the ones with the money to expand during COVID.
November 6, 20204 yr Conceptual plans for a new motherhouse at SJA. They never stop construction do they?
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