Personally, I like the comment on Ohio City Victorians.  I just finalized a contract to buy one.  :clap:

 

Journal's take on Cleveland has us doing a double take

Tuesday, March 07, 2006

Chris Seper

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

Average high in the 80s? Water-skiers galore on the lake? That's you, Cleveland. Don't deny it. Men's Journal, a magazine about travel, exercise and technology geared to professional men, says in its April issue, out today, that Cleveland is one of the 50 best cities to live in.

 

Cleveland is listed in the Journal's "Comebacks" category - for cities with "cheap real estate and a fresh perspective." The Journal offered categories such as "Best of the Best" (For example, Portland and San Diego) and "Adventure Cities" (Minneapolis-St. Paul, for one) as opposed to a ranking of 1 to 50.

 

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

 

[email protected], 216-999-4169

 

www.plaindealer.com

Aren't rankings fun? What's the next ranking that we're going to see? That oranges are rated more highly than apples?

Personally, I like the comment on Ohio City Victorians.  I just finalized a contract to buy one.  :clap:

 

CONGRATS! 

I understand the need to look at praise with a critical eye, but this guy really does fall directly in line with the other members of the Cleveland press who like to cast a negative eye on our city. 

 

"How dare you praise Cleveland?  You don't live here!  You don't know how bad it is!"

 

I know, I'm over-reacting.

 

By the way, Chris, according the the Census, the Cleveland Metropolitan Statistical Area's population in 2000 was 2,148,143.  Where are you getting your numbers?

There is another thread about this Mister Good Day, in which my totals were about 3.2. I am guessing that some people believe Cleveland Metropolitan to include only Cleveland-Akron-Lorain (Cuyahoga, Summit, and Lorain Counties, respectively), which is 2.15 million. However, a more appropriate MSA would be the 8 counties, which would also include neighboring Geauga, Lake, and Medina, making it 2.9. I also believe the 381,000 people in Stark County (Canton/Canal Fulton/Massillon) is part of Cleveland Metropolitan. However, the PD author's article broke it down as follows:

 

1,350,000 - cuyahoga (cleveland)

  550,000 - summit (akron)

  294,000 - lorain (lorain/elyria)

  232,000 - lake (painesville/mentor)

  165,000 - medina (medina/brunswick)

  154,000 - portage (kent)

    94,000 - geauga (aurora)

 

2.9 million

What an annoying reporter. He should have just approached this as the positive fluff piece it is... who cares about the accuracy of the highs and lows? Yeesh.  :roll:

 

Anyway, glad to hear the news.

BizBiz, let me know where this other thread is so we can chat more on it there. 

 

My reference point is the Census, though, which is what this reporter was talking about.  And according to the Census, the Cleveland MSA is 2.15 million and the Cleveland COMBINED Statistical Area (which includes the Akron MSA) is 2.95 million.  So, as long as you accurately name your data, you can use whichever you like.

Too bad they don't point out the inaccuracies and poor methodology of rankings in which Cleveland does poorly.

^ Good point. Glad they Believe in Cleveland.

 

I'm telling ya guys, I'm thirsting for the chance to start up my own core-city Internet newspaper. All I need is a few hundred thousand dollars!

Do youse guys really water ski on Lake Erie?

  I have gone water skiing, tubing, and done the jet ski thing many times on the lake....I live right in Cleveland by Edgewater...it is nicer to have calm waters to ski...but tubing and jet skiing are fun in any water..at least for me.

I know the pier in Rocky River is a popular place for water skiing, wind surfing, ect...

^People ski like crazy in Sandusky and Huron over the summer.

I used to ski 4 days a week off of Rocky River.

There is another thread about this Mister Good Day, in which my totals were about 3.2. I am guessing that some people believe Cleveland Metropolitan to include only Cleveland-Akron-Lorain (Cuyahoga, Summit, and Lorain Counties, respectively), which is 2.15 million. However, a more appropriate MSA would be the 8 counties, which would also include neighboring Geauga, Lake, and Medina, making it 2.9. I also believe the 381,000 people in Stark County (Canton/Canal Fulton/Massillon) is part of Cleveland Metropolitan. However, the PD author's article broke it down as follows:

 

1,350,000 - cuyahoga (cleveland)

  550,000 - summit (akron)

  294,000 - lorain (lorain/elyria)

  232,000 - lake (painesville/mentor)

  165,000 - medina (medina/brunswick)

  154,000 - portage (kent)

    94,000 - geauga (aurora)

 

2.9 million

 

I would really like you to explain how the BizBiz census comes to this conclusion

  I have gone water skiing, tubing, and done the jet ski thing many times on the lake....I live right in Cleveland by Edgewater...it is nicer to have calm waters to ski...but tubing and jet skiing are fun in any water..at least for me.

 

I know that people do it by edgewater, If there was easy access im assuming people would do it in the city proper;  I know some people in Bratenol with ski-dos and such;  you go further east to mentor and you'll see more people "playing" in Lake Erie

  There is easy access, right next to the treatment plant headed back to the Whisky Island marina (and the other marinas)....which is next to Edgewater park..which is in the city proper.

yep we sure do, i waterskiied quite a bit as a teen. i cant snow ski to save my life tho.

There is another thread about this Mister Good Day, in which my totals were about 3.2. I am guessing that some people believe Cleveland Metropolitan to include only Cleveland-Akron-Lorain (Cuyahoga, Summit, and Lorain Counties, respectively), which is 2.15 million. However, a more appropriate MSA would be the 8 counties, which would also include neighboring Geauga, Lake, and Medina, making it 2.9. I also believe the 381,000 people in Stark County (Canton/Canal Fulton/Massillon) is part of Cleveland Metropolitan. However, the PD author's article broke it down as follows:

 

1,350,000 - cuyahoga (cleveland)

   550,000 - summit (akron)

   294,000 - lorain (lorain/elyria)

   232,000 - lake (painesville/mentor)

   165,000 - medina (medina/brunswick)

   154,000 - portage (kent)

     94,000 - geauga (aurora)

 

2.9 million

 

I would really like you to explain how the BizBiz census comes to this conclusion

 

draw your own conclusions..

There is another thread about this Mister Good Day, in which my totals were about 3.2. I am guessing that some people believe Cleveland Metropolitan to include only Cleveland-Akron-Lorain (Cuyahoga, Summit, and Lorain Counties, respectively), which is 2.15 million. However, a more appropriate MSA would be the 8 counties, which would also include neighboring Geauga, Lake, and Medina, making it 2.9. I also believe the 381,000 people in Stark County (Canton/Canal Fulton/Massillon) is part of Cleveland Metropolitan. However, the PD author's article broke it down as follows:

 

1,350,000 - cuyahoga (cleveland)

  550,000 - summit (akron)

  294,000 - lorain (lorain/elyria)

  232,000 - lake (painesville/mentor)

  165,000 - medina (medina/brunswick)

  154,000 - portage (kent)

    94,000 - geauga (aurora)

 

2.9 million

 

I would really like you to explain how the BizBiz census comes to this conclusion

 

draw your own conclusions..

 

i conclude you make up your own numbers in a sad attempt at boosterism, and "my city is bigger than yours-ism"

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Enjoy.

no, i'm just asking you to produce a rational thought as to why the cleveland metro should be as you described

Why does every thread have to turn into a discussion on the size of metropolitan areas?  I think every topic on this forum over 1 page long touches on it. 

Good question. Since some cities annex and others don't/can't, some of these statistics are often meaningless.

The metro size really dosent matter to me.  One of may favorite cities in the US is Charleston, S.C.  The metro is not nearly the size of Cleveland, but it is georgeous.  About the mens journal article, the writer can make those negative comments for a reason.  If you are giong to rank Cleveland high, rank them for the appropriate reasons.  Don't say people are water skiing on lake erie, or our climate is wonderful.  We all know those are lies.  Rank Cleveland high for the medical institutions, sports facilities, downtown redevelopement etc.  I, in a way, am in agreement with the author of this article.  He obviously could have embelished on what I just said.  Don't paint the wrong picture of Cleveland and set outsiders up for disapointment.  For all the outsiders, don't bring your water skis to Cleveland between October and May. 

The metro size really dosent matter to me.

 

Oy, that's a dream world, isn't it?  That's almost too much logic for this forum.

Why does every thread have to turn into a discussion on the size of metropolitan areas?

 

It's almost too obvious, isn't it, considering 95% of the members of this board are men? :roll:

If you are giong to rank Cleveland high, rank them for the appropriate reasons.  Don't say people are water skiing on lake erie, or our climate is wonderful.  We all know those are lies. 

 

Agreed, although the summers here are fantastic, IMHO.  Not too hot, not too humid, generally sunny.  Sort of the payback for the long, gray winters.